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| Post Hardcore
I've been away from Sputnik and all I have to show for it is this shitty
post-hardcore list. | | 1 |  | Flipper
Generic
There is nothing particularly striking about the simplistic punk album, in my
eyes. Besides obvious standouts like "Sex Bomb," most of Generic is likely to fly
past your radar; still, the sloppiness and sort of punk aloofness is endearing at
least and incredibly influential at most. | | 2 |  | Husker Du
Zen Arcade
It's no secret that Husker Du influenced more than a little with their brand of
hardcore punk. In fact, it'd feel a little like I was patronizing if I went over how
fucking awesome Husker Du are, and how important their role in post-hardcore
was, so I think I'll just let this one go. Plus, this is the last thing I'm writing for
this list, so hooray! Don't worry, I promise they're not all this bad. | | 3 |  | Rites of Spring
End on End
Rumbling and ragged, there's a feeling that Rites of Spring is brimming with
discontent on the verge of disaster. It is an unstable vehicle heading towards
the edge of the cliff. A more fitting soil in which post-hardcore sets its roots
could not be found. Genre distinctions regarding Rites aside, it is impossible to
deny that subsequent post-hardcore did not take cue upon cue from the band
that took hardcore punk to new dimensions with personal lyrics, less
straightforward chord progression, and trademark raspy yelling... basically,
everything Dischord Records would later come to epitomize, as well. | | 4 |  | Beefeater
Plays For Lovers | | 5 |  | Big Black
Atomizer
As sort of a companion piece to Songs About Fucking, Atomizer works
perfectly.Where the former is a more fluid, cohesive and catchy set of tracks,
the latter contains some of the quintessential punk band?s most memorable
tunes in the likes of "Passing Complexion" and "Bazooka Joe." More chaotic and
less focused as it may be, Atomizer is still a shining example of Big Black's
capabilities as one of the most essential forbearers of post-hardcore and general
punk music. | | 6 |  | Embrace
Embrace
I am not sure if Embrace is in fact more or less in the vein of post-hardcore
than Rites of Spring, but the cousin to one of the genre?s main forbearers is
unabashedly a strong influence as well. Uncompromising and rough, Embrace?s
tendencies to rock socks off earns them a spot on the list because they were so
damn influential to the 90's post-hardcore aesthetic that would be running
rampant 5 years from Embrace?s release date. | | 7 |  | Big Black
Songs About Fucking
Big Black... everything about the band screams, crass, intense, gritty. Later in
this list, Nick Butler will be noted as referring to the band Nomeansno as "PUNK.
AS. FUCK." Not to take away from that apt description of Wrong, but I argue
that it applies much better to Songs About Fucking, an album that I have
always associated as a definitive and quintessential punk album, as well as a
tremendous influence on a genre like post-hardcore. Atomizer might have a few
of the best singles Big Black has recorded in "Bazooka Joe" and "Passing
Complexion," yet Songs About Fucking is largely considered as Big Black?s most
thorough, their pinnacle, as well a peak in punk music in general. As it is
certainly a pillar of energy, of intensity, of fucking, I'm not at liberty to disagree
with that assertion. | | 8 |  | Fugazi
13 Songs
There is a definite consensus that Fugazi is the unquestionable apex of essential
as far as post-hardcore is concerned. Is this fair to the lingering competition,
though? It would seem not, looking simply at individual albums. 13 Songs is
boisterous and unrestrained. It is a party, and one that picks up right where Big
Black, Embrace, and Rites of Spring left off. Even if it might be their best
compilation of tracks, by no means does 13 Songs equate to the unquestioning
authority over the "rest." No, that comes later in Fugazi's career; but 13 Songs
is an undeniably fun stepping stone towards their future. | | 9 |  | Nomeansno
Wrong
PUNK. AS. FUCK. Seriously, if you could throw all the ingredients you need to
create the perfect punk band into a pot, NoMeansNo would probably pop out
after you're done boiling. Awesome, manly basslines, excursions into dirty,
manly jazz, intricate, manly (well, kinda) guitar lines, and near-psychedelic
invention, all locked into an endless, furious groove. All that, and songs called
"Big Dick" and "Brainless Wonder". On "The Tower", they prove they can play
straight up rock-n-roll with the best of them, too, and "Rags And Bones" boasts
one of the most addictive riffs in punk history. Refused would later improve on
this blueprint, but they needed NoMeansNo to lay the foundations for them
first, and Wrong is the album where they absolutely nailed it. - Nick Butler | | 10 |  | Fugazi
Repeater
One of the most beautiful aspects of the band Fugazi is that you can basically
make a convincing argument that near any of their 6 LP's is in fact their best.
For instance, Repeater marks their early years, and is generally regarded as a
fan favorite, yet would rank lower than most as far as I am concerned. Repeater
is much more akin to 13 Songs than it is to subsequent releases; and dancier
tracks like "Repeater" and "Turnover" are heralded as some of the band's best. | | 11 |  | Rain
La Vache Qui Rit
This EP is incredibly overlooked, especially considering all its connections with
similar DC post-hardcore acts. It would have been even more unknown if
Dischord hadn't resurrected it and re-released it, which makes total sense
because Rain really employs the whole emotive, twin-guitar thing to a fucking T.
Obviously, it?s going to sound closer to 80's hardcore (not my specialty) than
90's post-hardcore, but either way this is a pretty awesome find for any fans of
Embrace, Rites of Spring, etc. upon etc. | | 12 | | -----------
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Jackson
Turns out my birth-year was also the birth-year for many an influential and/or
noteworthy post-hardcore album. Coincidence? (Yes, probably). Either way, Tar
is an oft-unrecognized act that deserves its dues. Not quite as ear-wrenching as
The Jesus Lizard, Jackson opts for a more straightforward sound that enhances
its listenability, if you ask me. Highlights like "Goethe" and "Short Trades" hit
their mark, and any fan of Jawbox should see the deep-seeded similarities
between this and For Your Own Special Sweetheart. | | 14 |  | The Jesus Lizard
GOAT
Noise and dissonance at its finest, GOAT is an album that elicits an even more
pronounced sense of evil than the hell-fire than adorns the cover. Dark, bleak,
and crass: The Jesus Lizard incorporates post-hardcore elements into noise rock
seamlessly, creating one of the clear, top albums of the decade. | | 15 |  | Unsane
Unsane
Right when you start to think this whole sound is getting lumped together and
homogenous here comes Unsane. Living up to their name (I won't even make
the way-too-obvious comment, here), Unsane have pretty horrible production
quality, but it only makes the loud, violent, noise rock more affecting. The lyrics
really further these themes well, too, when the vocalist yells things about "fuck
you," or "shut the fuck up," know what I mean? It's all pretty self-explanatory,
Unsane is insane (okay sorry, I couldn?t resist). | | 16 |  | Drive Like Jehu
Drive Like Jehu | | 17 |  | Nation of Ulysses
Plays Pretty For Baby
Pretty much if you like D.C. hardcore from the 90?s?well you?ll probably already
own this. Its certainly an essential album in the ?post-hardcore? world, although
classifying this is almost just stupid and against the point. It?s a punk album full
of aggression against those that oppress the youth, the perfect teen angst
album for those who like to dress snazzy. When you hear the haunting wails on
?N.o.u.s.p.t.d.a.? you?ll wonder why you cant be back in the early 90?s being one
of the ?cool? kids rebelling against the white man with The Nation of Ulysses.
Plus there?s trumpet. Soooooooo experimental people. - John Hyperbole Hanson | | 18 |  | Fugazi
In On The Kill Taker
Fugazi certainly made their finest album to date at the time of "In On The Kill
Taker" they still had not reached perfection. While "In On The Kill Taker" is a
beautiful and very varying experience, some of the moments on the album
seem a little too textbook of the band and also some of them drag on a little too
far ("Sweet and Low's" subdued feeling kind of makes the closer of the album
drag). Still, the band certainly has a very important and great record with this
release, and compared to many other bands, it'd be a near classic. But with a
band with Fugazi?s capabilities, it is in turn left as just a great solid release with
its decent share of flaws. - Jared W. Dillon | | 19 |  | Unwound
Fake Train
I like noise rock. Sometimes it?s loud. Sometimes it?s quiet. It?s always
interesting though. Sometimes it?s minimalist. Repeating the same note over.
And over. And over. And sometimes they don?t play the same note twice. I
guess it?s like Forrest Gump said: ?Mama always said?? I think he was right.
Mama did say a lot of things. ?Waiter what?s this feedback doing in my soup??
?Analyzing the complexity and absurdity of life through noise? ?Bring it back.?-
Zach Savage | | 20 |  | Quicksand
Slip
Slip is an incredible record of poignant, bludgeoning music and most importantly
is influential record in post-hardcore or 90's rock in general. If you're a fan of
destructive and original music then you must buy Slip. - anonymous Sputnik
reviewer | | 21 |  | Jawbox
For Your Own Special Sweetheart
There's a certain poetic beauty to Jawbox (ironic, considering the name which
conjures much more gruff imagery). Rather than simply "wow-ing" with brute
force, For Your Own Special Sweetheart commands attention by way of some
(oddly) beautiful moments, meaningful lyrics, and generally a very different feel
one would expect from hearing a track like the raucous "FF=66." Out of the
ashes of Jawbox, many other prominent acts would rise... some of them
nothing like their predecessor, but all of them expectedly containing the same
sort of aptitude and knack for songwriting displayed so obviously by Jawbox. | | 22 |  | Shudder To Think
Pony Express Record
By incorporating a sort of drawl, a hesitation, in their music, Shudder to Think
are a perfect example of a band that are still well within the confines of the
predominant 90's post-hardcore archetype, yet don?t conform to the rapid-fire
sort of Drive Like Jehu aesthetic. There is many a standout on Pony Express
Record, but mayhaps "Hit Liquor" stands out in particular because it was
featured on Beavis and Butthead. | | 23 |  | Maximillian Colby / Rye Coalition
Split 7'' | | 24 |  | Unwound
New Plastic Ideas
There?s no doubt in my mind that other bands may have left a more poignant
mark on the scene than Unwound; but the more I write about them, the more
I'm convinced that they might be the only band that can rival Fugazi in terms of
overall quality in this realm (well, come pretty close, at least). New Plastic Ideas
evidences this perfectly-- exceedingly consistent, New Plastic Ideas is neither
new (let's be honest, it has been done before), but it's far from plastic music.
Particularly organic, I'm a sucker for the way that Unwound pulls off this album
with a certain smoothness. From start to end, NPI is particularly engrossing--
more so than many other birds of this feather. I know Leaves Turn Inside You is
the favorite around here, but do not forget New Plastic Ideas. It displays
Unwound aiming for an entirely different sound, and achieving it achingly well. | | 25 |  | Shellac
At Action Park
Abrasive, arty, nasty, noisy, innovative and unique, Shellac are proof that there
is still massive scope for experimentation and carving out new sounds with a
standard guitar, bass, drums lineup in the indie-rock format. At Action Park is
simultaneously interesting, difficult, catchy and just plain fun. In terms of
musicianship, At Action Park has a lot to offer and sonically, you're unlikely to
hear anything else quite like it. - Andrew Hartwig | | 26 |  | Drive Like Jehu
Yank Crime
It just feels right to write about Drive Like Jehu in the same sitting as I have Big
Black. In many respects, the former are just as much a quintessential, 90's
post-hardcore staple as the likes of Fugazi and Unwound, yet so much of their
sound harkens straight back to the likes of Big Black. Personally I prefer their
self-titled previous album to Yank Crime, the fan favorite, but this is less a
matter of dispute and more a testament to the band's consistency. | | 27 |  | Shotmaker
The Complete Discography 1993-1996 | | 28 |  | Hoover
The Lurid Traversal of Route 7
If Godspeed You! Black Emperor somehow was ticked into making a post-
hardcore record (please: someone make this happen), it would sound much like
these Dischord darlings. More proof that the aforementioned label owned this
realm in the early 90's, Hoover's creative brand of creaking, mulling, murky
post-hardcore is equally creepy and stupendous. | | 29 |  | Lync
These Are Not Fall Colors
Actually, there most certainly are. This forgotten gem belongs right alongside
Jawbox and Drive Like Jehu as essential post-hardcore from 1994. A quieter,
weirder little brother to the aforementioned (a Bitchfork-esque album, if you
will), Lync brings spastic moments of catchiness to complement the discordant
messiness. Lovely. | | 30 | | -----------
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Songs To Fan The Flames of Discontent
With an exceedingly fitting name in tow (even if it is hyperbolic and self-
referential, just like its more-famous predecessor), Refused's "other" album is
more direct, more based in hardcore, and harder-hitting than the album that
they are known for. Concentrated and less fantastical, the post-hardcore band
prove to be at their best when they are not bogged down by huge, complicated
tendencies. | | 32 |  | The VSS
Nervous Circuits | | 33 |  | Lungfish
Indivisible
Lungfish have always been a staple in the Dischord collection, making them
somewhat of a necessity to this list considering the massive influence Dischord
in general initiated. And it?s for good reason that they made the label their
home for about two decades. The Baltimoreans were infamous for offering a
myriad of free shows, and for their incredibly expansive discography. Ever-
consistent, their sound reached somewhat of a plateau as they aged, but
Indivisible alone should be proof enough of how essential a band they were. | | 34 |  | Roadside Monument
Eight Hours Away From Being A Man
Remember how Frodus used to be on Tooth and Nail records? Yeah, me neither.
One would assume they?re way too cool for that shit, but that was the case.
Apparently, they left before Musical Affirmative Action started and they were
forced to hire shitty bands like Emery to level the playing field. Anyway,
Roadside Monument are in a similar realm as Frodus, except that they forgot to
leave T & N. Their aggressive nature and song titles like "Sperm Ridden Burden"
are exceedingly out of place compared to the record label today. But see, that?s
exactly what post-hardcore needs more of today-- more sperm ridden burdens!
In all seriousness though, that particular track rules all sorts of face, as does
this album. It is highly recommended for fans of crushing, aggressive post-
hardcore like Frodus, and they do the soft/loud thing very well, too. | | 35 |  | Fugazi
End Hits
End Hits is particularly notable simply because, more so than any others in
Fugazi?s large discography, it doesn't have any outstanding qualities that sets it
apart from the rest. It is definitely not the most simplistic (13 Songs), nor is it
the most experimental (The Argument); rather, End Hits couples Fugazi?s many
influences and traits, marrying them under the cityscape on one of my favorite
album covers of all-time. Intense and passionate, but with an air of elegant
restrain, I believe End Hits is Fugazi at their most powerful. Whether or not it is
a positive attribute is subjective, of course, but this is definitely Fugazi balancing
themselves. | | 36 |  | Unwound
Challenge For a Civilized Society
This album has never been particularly distinctive in my collection, as it falls
somewhere in the middle of Unwound-- both stylistically and quality-wise. It
comes after the brashness of New Plastic Ideas but falls far short of the
experimentation and insanity of Leaves Turn Inside You. Still, it serves as a
barometer for Unwound?s general quality-- Challenge For A Civilized Society is a
would-be highlight in many other bands? discographies. | | 37 |  | Refused
The Shape of Punk To Come
In what is widely regarded as their most prominent work, Refused... well,
remember that poster in every third-grade classroom, "Shoot for the moon!!
Even if you miss, you will land among the stars."? Here, Refused shoot for the
stars, and don't quite make it to the moon either, but land in Africa or
something where their brand of over-saturated post-hardcore infused with
(insert random genre here) makes for an interesting inclusion, at least. | | 38 | | ----------
------------ | | 39 |  | KARP
Self Titled LP | | 40 |  | Far
Water & Solutions
Tending towards the softer side of the genre, Far lets up in intensity but
compromises nothing else. No unlike an older Brand New, Far aren?t too far
away from alternative rock, but damn do they make this style theirs. "Bury
White" and "Mother Mary" are up here with anything on Devil and God, and
Water and Solutions really perfects the quiet/loud formula. Plus, the | | 41 |  | Bluetip
Join Us
More proof that indie was slowly seeping into post-hardcore was Bluetip. It's
difficult to decide whether they're more like an indie band who was influenced
by their peers on the Dischord label, or a Dischord band who was influenced by
the leanings of indie peers, but either way Join Us is another essential facet of
the softer post-hardcore collection. | | 42 |  | Burning Airlines
Mission: Control! | | 43 |  | Faraquet
The View From This Tower
While they certainly are not the first ones to incorporate mathematics into post-
hardcore music, Faraquet sort of perfected it in my eyes on The View From This
Tower. Odd time signatures and complex rhythms perfectly complement the
interesting drumming and impressive guitar patterns in general. Faraquet opt
for a less straightforward, more meandering approach in The View From This
Tower, and it makes for a listen perfect for those looking to branch back into the
nineties post-hardcore sound but not all the way to The Jesus Lizard in terms of
harshness. | | 44 |  | Shellac
1000 Hurts
Definitely one of Steve Albini's best, 1,000 Hurts is a centerpiece of this list in
many respects. With sharp guitars, nonsensical lyrics, and rough-yet-distinct
production, Shellac is Albini without interference. And that?s the best kind. With
mathy riffage and songs like "Prayer to God" which are simply fucking
spectacular, Shellac tear shit up on this album. | | 45 |  | At the Drive-In
Relationship of Command
Some users will surely complain that this album belongs at the top of this and
any post-hardcore list. Those people are idiots because this is obviously in
chronological order. | | 46 |  | Cursive
Domestica
I am convinced that a rain cloud is constantly perched over Tim Kasher's head,
blocking out every happy ray of sunshine, leaving him trapped in a perpetual
darkness where love only leads to pain and hope only leads to crippling
disappointment. Or at least I am convinced that that?s what he wants me to
believe, and it?s hard not to feel that way after listening to Domestica (or any
Cursive album for that matter). After going through a bitter divorce in 2000,
Kasher channeled his frustrations into what would become Domestica, a profile
of the decline and collapse of a semi-fictional couple?s love. Kasher's wounded
vocals crack under the weight of his own emotional agony. Complimenting his
vocal catharsis, the intertwining dissonance of Kasher's guitar work bleeds with
a resounding urgency; the modern day trumpet blasts at Jericho, collapsing the
walls of a once sturdy love. Cursive?s Domestica is a reminder that behind every
great album is a relationship gone horribly, horribly wrong. ? Adam Thomas | | 47 |  | Fugazi
The Argument
The Argument is Fugazi's studio album. I know they worked primarily in the
studio from In On The Kill Taker on, but The Argument represents the band?s
full exploration of a studio sound. Two drummers, lots of overdubs, this is
Fugazi's patient record and is rewarding because of that. The Argument is a
fantastic road album because the songs are relatable through any terrain. They
are paranoid and bleak complimenting the cityscape. They are also textured and
beautiful complimenting the countryside. Fugazi in my mind had always been
the quintessential '90s band and over the past few years my opinion of them
has shifted to them being the quintessential American band. The members of
this group completely understand the American ethic. Their music may
frequently speak up against American ideals, but the band?s business model
clearly latches onto the capitalist ethic. The honesty that has been so prevalent
in the band?s music is also a key part of that American representation. The
music on The Argument is a timeless example of the retaliation of punk rock
and another example as strong as Fugazi?s opus simply does not exist. ? Jared
W. Dillon | | 48 |  | Frodus
And We Washed Our Weapons In The Sea
Listening to the album at hand, it is impossible to deny that Frodus is pretty
damn badass. If you have heard some of the albums on the list but have yet to
hear ... And We Washed, chances are this is your most glaring omission. Cleaner
production a still-vehement guitar-attack? Yeah, Frodus rule. | | 49 |  | Sicbay
The Firelight S coughs | | 50 |  | Unwound
Leaves Turn Inside You
In retrospect, it's easy to pinpoint the seminal technology of the 21st century
as one of the main forces behind the decade's incredibly widespread musical
dispersion. Listeners found they had infinitely more choices than before due to
the internet. There were blatant negative and positive repercussions stemming
from this central theme of the decade, but one thing's for sure-- never before
was it so easy to find under-the-radar masterpieces like Leaves Turn Inside You.
Nobody's disputing that Unwound is not your average radio material; and
without the internet, the tellingly-dark, bland album art of Leaves would have
never neared my fingertips. What is widely believed to be Unwound's opus
personifies the opposite of everything that relies on a chorus, that releases a
single, that begs you to bob your head. Unwound were never one for
catchiness, as evidenced by their Fugazi-equse 1994 masterpiece, New Plastic
Ideas (my personal favorite), but Leaves marks a sharp turn to the left. It's
always hit me as a contrarian album, in every which way-- Unwound ditch
coherence, beauty, any semblance of warmth on their icy, disgustingly
melancholic and ambitious venture. Leaves Turn Inside You may be the most
uninviting album of the decade, but vocalist Justin Trosper, with cold,
understated prose in hand, let's us know it's okay to revel in the bleakness. The
astounding 80-minute string of seamless noise dabbles in dream-pop, post-rock,
post-hardcore, among a plethora of other genres, but it's unnecessary to pin the
album down to a single label. Either way, the apathetic, depraved listeners
everywhere that live for reveling in the reverb and trance-like state that Leaves
induces should be thankful for the decade's newfound spread of music, for the
fairly obscure album couldn't have so deeply affected so many otherwise. | | 51 |  | Burning Airlines
Identikit
If there is one premier standout example of a precursor to the more polished
soundscapes that post-hardcore acts found themselves working with later in the
decade, it is probably Burning Airlines. Formerly of Jawbox, J. Robbins is at it
again, working with similar melodies and lyrics that made Jawbox so essential in
the 90's, and placing Burning Airlines in a parallel 00's canon. | | 52 |  | Mclusky
Mclusky Do Dallas
Fuck this band. | | 53 |  | Bear vs. Shark
Right Now You're in the Best of Hands
A general good time for the whole family. I mean that too. My past middle age
parents both dig this band when I play them around the house. There's an
accessibility under the initial aggression. I think Paffi labeled it as "abrasive pop"
in an interview with an ex-classmate of his from college. Bear vs. Shark's
instruments often rock in either soft modal ways, or in straight forward
pentatonic ways, both of which give them modern take on classic styles. The
songs are verse chorus verse, etc. but there's something fresh in this
combination few bands can pull off. It's one of the reasons At the Drive-In were
such a success. They presented punk in a way few had heard it before; infused
it with new life. That's what Bear vs. Shark does. They rip a little from At the
Drive-In, Fugazi, Hot Water Music, Braid, and others but come out as something
excitingly new, because they know where to accept what's tried and true, and
they know when to add their own flourishes. - Nick Greer | | 54 |  | Hot Cross
Cryonics
Admittedly, this doesn't really fit within the confines of post-hardcore as neatly
as many as the other obvious ones here do. Still, the way in which it
incorporates more experimental in the sense that they?re not in the emo vein at
all, and the instrumentals are worth fawning over. Rather than being
straightforward and predictable, the technical album is thrown in the post-
hardcore pile at times even-- in my eyes, adding a little more legitimacy to its
modern sound, if you will. Plus, there's absolutely spectacular lyrics here-- it's a
band that, quality-wise, falls nicely in-between Saetia and Off Minor... not a bad
place to fall at all. - Nick Greer | | 55 |  | On The Might Of Princes
Sirens
On The Might Of Princes inhabit a sort of sweet spot somewhere between
screamo and post-hardcore, and they never fully commit to either. This is sorta
a nice thing and a horrible thing at the same time (I mean, they're not all that
far apart in the first place). Anyway, Sirens is an above-average album with nice
flow. It has post-hardcore grooviness with some hardcore emotive screaming,
and to be honest most of it is pretty conventional in terms of approach and
songwriting. Still, Sirens is perfect for an easy listen every now and then. | | 56 |  | Boysetsfire
Tomorrow Come Today | | 57 |  | Million Dead
A Song To Ruin
So Million Dead can be a splash too obvious sometimes but more than make up
for that with their energy, sweet lead vocals, and solid songwriting. If you're a
fan of punk music at all just listen to the first 22 seconds of "Smiling at
Strangers on Trains" and try not to enjoy it. That portion could sell this album
alone. Oh ya the rest of that song slays to. Get on it. - Nick Greer | | 58 |  | Cursive
The Ugly Organ
Sometimes I wish every band would be like Andrew W.K. (who is crazy in a good
way) but more often than not bands end up having a Tim Kasher (who a lot of
times seems crazy in a bad way). Still, you can't argue with results. The Ugly
Organ almost completely abandons what Cursive did on Domestica, which was a
complex, multi-layered indie album rife with aggressive post-hardcore moments
to mirror its relatively simple story perfectly ? a man and his wife on the road to
divorce. Instead, The Ugly Organ throws much more into the mix, including
Pinocchio and lyrics where Kasher actually refers to himself as opposed to a
doppelganger. There are strings and hopefulness aplenty, and I would say that
the end of "A Gentlemen Caller" is the most inspiring thing ever if "Staying
Alive" didn't sit at the end of the album like the Incredible Hulk about to tie
helicopters into pretzels with its message of holding on. Overall, while Domestica
might be a better musical statement, The Ugly Organ offers more of everything
and also it won?t depress the hell out of you. ? Channing Freeman | | 59 | | ---------
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Catch For Us The Foxes
Telling you guys what's so great about a mewithoutYou record is about as
enlightening as Richard Dawkins is for Aaron Weiss, but I guess Catch For Us
The Foxes could make its mark as the most unexpected of the band's records to
make its way onto this list. It's certainly the most humble of their canon,
having a curfew on the demanding punk of A-B: Life but all in all acting as a
stepping stone to their gorgeously naturalistic future. It certainly feels like a half
measure, but by merging both sounds into something more streamlined we
have a record of lyrical exploration as unique as its three siblings. Rock songs on
the record are straightened out and the allusions they carry are at their most
digestible: watch for the parallels between the book of Luke and the lyrics of
"Torches Together" ("You played the flute / but no one was dancing") and the
direct New Testament quotations in "The Soviet" and the album's title. In a
sense, what's so important about Catch For Us The Foxes is that it represents
one strand of the band's spiritual discovery, and where the time line currently
ends (It's All Crazy!) it seems Weiss and co. have universalized the spirituality
they've always had since their post-hardcore days. Their story has a sequence,
and while its conversion lies far away from this Christian rock record, it is far
from meaningless -- oh, and it's catchy as hell, top to bottom. -- Robin Smith | | 61 |  | These Arms Are Snakes
Oxeneers or the Lion Sleeps When Its Antelope Go Home
In the end, Oxeneers is interesting as hell. There are clutch aspects to the TAAS
style but there are also some limiting features. I wish they wouldn't have such
static harmonies, and would occasionally let the vocals loose a little more.
However, the production, instrumentals, and general sense of rhythm is
amazing, and sends TAAS to the upper crust of the post-hardcore world.
Unfortunately, without the emotional aspects, it's difficult to give oneself up to
their style without reservations. In the words of Eminem, I can't "lose [my]self"
like I can with more complete bands like Glassjaw and Thrice. Oxeneers is TAAS'
best current (circa mid-2007) album and should not be overlooked but also
shouldn't be put on a pedestal for its rhythmic ingenuity. - Nick Greer | | 62 |  | Decahedron
Disconnection Imminent
If there was ever a post-hardcore supergroup to be praised, it was Decahedron.
Compsed of Shelby Cinca (lead singer of Frodus) and another Frodus guitarist,
along with bassist Joe Lally of Fugazi fame, Decahedron was basically an amped
up, modernized combination of the two groups. It combined Frodus' sheer
aggression with the more experimental, whimsical even, bass lines of The
Argument. The product is spectacular-- easily my favorite album found while
compiling this list. The lyrics are poignant, always conspiratorial, often centering
around the evils and dangers of modernization and technology, with a 1984-
esque aura of paranoia. Never does it get tedious or monotonous, the entirety is
an encapsulating post-hardcore masterpiece in every sense of the word. | | 63 |  | In Pieces
Lions Write History
Cheesy? Maybe a bit. In Pieces' enjoyable record, Lions Write History falls much
farther on the ?enjoyable? side of the line than it does "essential." Heavy on the
melody and a little short on the hardcore, In Pieces still manage to impress and
leave a strong impression, if you can excuse their sometimes-overbearing
simplification of post-hardcore into verse-chorus-verse structure. | | 64 |  | mewithoutYou
Brother, Sister
While which of mewithoutYou's is their magnus opus is certainly debatable, the
band?s dexterity and skill is only out-shined by their likability-- evidenced by
legions of fans. With indie leanings galore, the band?s poetic lyrics (whose
religious ambiguity is enough to ensnare any 16 year-old Christian) have long
been the focal point of mewithoutYou. There is little on display here that is too
reminiscent of 90?s post-hardcore, but listen to Weiss?s ramblings and bouncy,
shifting melodies along with the superb aura for a softer brother (sister, more
like) to more intense post-hardcore acts. | | 65 |  | Armchairpolitician
Seven Segment Decoder
I often forget that this came out so recently. In short, Seven Segment Decoder
marries the best aspects of two eras of post-hardcore: the abnormal song
lengths, spiraling and progressive song structures... positioned alongside
splintering yelling and brash discordance. The songwriting is what truly
separates them from contemporaries though. Rather than just go "complicated"
and bug the shit out of listeners, the musicianship performed by
Armchairpolitician is sophisticated as well, not simply technicality for
technicality?s sake. Highly dynamic, Seven Segment Decoder incorporates
electronic interludes and jazz breaks, not unlike Refused set out to do. Unlike
Refused though, I would argue that, a decade later, the product
Armchairpolitician creates is much more tasteful and deliberate, a foray of
hardcore music that stays interesting but does not stray too deep beyond the
point where it becomes unfocused. | | 66 |  | Meet Me In St. Louis
Variations On Swing
Meet Me in St. Louis are the latest addition to the growing and highly dominant
U.K. post-hardcore scene. Million Dead, The Murder of Rosa Luxemburg, and
bands like them have been creating a lot of attention with their fast paced
seemingly random blend of pop-punk, hardcore and math rock. Meet Me in St.
Louis is the most successful band to attempt this sound so far in terms of sheer
originality. Combining Million Dead?s pop sensibility with The Murder of Rosa
Luxemburg?s technical backing, Meet Me in St. Louis' sound is basically pop
songs broken down into ten second burst of energy that are strung together
into three minute explosions. Where the band merely flirted with their music?s
pop backing on their debut EP, "Variations on Swing" their latest releases sees
them branching out into realms of electronica and more concise post-hardcore
to create a much more rewarding, eclectic and dynamic sound. - Jared W. Dillon | | 67 |  | La Dispute
Somewhere at the Bottom of the River...
It worries me a little that people take La Dispute too seriously sometimes. Don't
get me wrong- the Michiganians famed post-hardcore LP certainly harbors
angst, anger, and all those oh-so-poignant emotions that accompany heart-
wrenching breakups. On the other hand though, I can't help but love
Somewhere At the Bottom Of the River... for what seems to be an entirely
different reason than the one you presumably voted it the 66th best album of
the decade. Sometimes I want to hear the agony and suffering of Jordan's
Dreyer's screaming. I even listen diligently from time to time to hear the deep,
metaphorical lines of a relationship that went up in flames. Maybe it's because
my disposition is too upbeat and optimistic, but I can't help but sing along to
"Bury Your Flame" every time it comes on with almost inexplicable jubilation-
"An unshakable absence / Like most of my insides crawled out of my mouth and
went west!" See, where others are bent on detecting torment, it sounds more
like some goddam beautiful dynamism, to me. It's so easy to lose myself in the
maze-like forest of refreshingly experimental arrangements and off-kilter
rhythms. The unadulterated passion is great, of course, but for those of us that
haven't had the post-breakup, lovelorn desire to burn our exes at the stake,
there's still plenty to love on Somewhere At the Bottom Of the River... | | 68 |  | Young Widows
Old Wounds
Young Widows bring abrasive goodness back into the (pretty damn large) world
of post-hardcore. Young Widows is equally catchy and noisy, sort of like a toned
down Lightning Bolt with a little more catchiness. They display how large and
frankly, indistinct, the genre has become in the present day, but they also
display how much they fucking rule, on Old Wounds. | | 69 |  | Down I Go
Tyrant
In such, Tyrant obviously tries to develop into a slice of progressive music, but
ultimately all that is left of this is the little tinges. This actually is for the better -
in the same way that As The Roots Undo lets its unravelling theme build around
the punk within it, Down I Go sweep their dictators in and out of favour and
ultimately teach us a whole lot while still maintaining the right to pounce about
lividly. It is only fitting that the hardcore/whatever outlet pack up their latest
lesson with "Ivan The Terrible" ? a track difficultly diverting our attention from
its own intensity to plummet into melody and beautiful violin composition. With
all this weird delicacy brewing inside of the sub-conscious, the simple concept-
album that is Tyrant technically has something for everyone ? it just depends
on how you like the blend. Now really, is Hitler a b-side or something? - Robin
Smith | | 70 |  | A City Safe From Sea
Throw Me Through Walls
On their debut nonetheless, the band at hand performs an exemplary job at
balancing catchiness and bouncy melodies without smothering the listener with
sugar and synths (which seemed to be the Thing To Do, in 2009). It is a rare
recent post-hardcore effort that doesn?t emulate earlier stuff much (Burning
Airlines-ish, if I must namedrop) and more importantly, isn't complete shit. | | 71 |  | Brand New
Daisy
Honestly, I was close to making the decision to exclude Brand New altogether,
considering most of their material is much closer to alt. rock and pop-punk than
it is anywhere near post-hardcore. Upon a subsequent listen to Daisy just to
make sure though, I realized how misguided that idea was. Daisy is a fine
record, chock full of aggression and unbridled passion, and even their production
and lyrics have taken a decidedly post-hardcore turn on the latest. Genre
semantics aside though, Daisy is a sublime record. Straightforward and brash, it
exists as a wonderful counter to the rest of Brand New?s ambiguity and
hesitation. Due to sheer nostalgia, I can't imagine it ever topping Deja as my
favorite BN, but it is a notable post-hardcore record in its own right. | | 72 |  | The Brass
Homosapien
EP's are a favorite form of music of mine. I'm lazy, and often they?re easily
digestible. Less is more, sometimes. So, it comes as a surprise that there's a
distinct lack of EP's on this list... perhaps it is just a trend in the genre. Anyway,
The Brass attempts to remedy this problem (in my book), with their
Homosapien EP. Three solid songs bursting with resonance and energy, the EP
is incredibly well-paced and a lot of fun. The Brass throw elements of pop-punk
and screamo in there so you get a bit of a punk medley when listening. Fuck
yeah. | | 73 |  | My Heart to Joy
Seasons In Verse
Catchy and harmonic, My Heart to Joy ditched their emo roots to create a more
conventional, in-the-lines post-hardcore album. And while the results are
somewhat mixed, their keen knack for songwriting and the vocal skills on
display set it apart from much of their peers in one of 2009's too-oft
unrecognized albums. | | 74 |  | Crash of Rhinos
Distal
From my (probably misguided and slim) perspective, post-hardcore is
increasingly hard to find at a high quality. 2011 follows that trend, but Distal
shows us that what we DO find is worth the lack of quantity. Even though its
approach is somewhat conventional, Distal delivers an impassioned, furious
seven songs that rival just about any from this year. Catchy yet rough, the
English band deliver not an album of ups and downs but of solid highlights
throughout. Intense but not overly so, Distal doesn?t attempt anything
exceedingly creative but is every bit deserving of all the praise it hasn?t yet
received. | | 75 | | ------
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SeaAnemone
10.13.11 | Without getting too entrenched into what I consider to be noise rock, emo, or simply alternative, this list delivers what I think are the exemplary albums of post-hardcore or were main influences on post-hardcore or were just sweet albums that have some similar traits based on my (admittedly limited) knowledge. It starts back in the eighties with some albums that I think sort of shaped the sound, progresses into the nineties into a sort of golden age, then morphs into a more polished sort of genre in the 2000's. The list is divided into some key periods. For instance, if you like Drive Like Jehu, you might also like Tar because it’s from the same period, etc. I took some descriptions for albums from writers that I know say it much better than I do, and also to break up the monotony of me talking about post-hardcore using the same, boring language. Hope you find something on here you haven’t heard, and please feel free to let me know what I forgot... enjoy!
Also, if you think this is a horrible list and don't want your writing to be anywhere near it, please say so : ) thanks!
| InAbsentia
10.13.11 | By far the most effort I've seen put into a list. Props. | Restrikted
10.13.11 | never got into post hardcore but cool list | ShadowRemains
10.13.11 | waitwut | ShadowRemains
10.13.11 | this is gonna be fun to watch | Relinquished
10.13.11 | wheres the metal | RosaParks
10.13.11 | neat.
nice list | Hyperion1001
10.13.11 | woah | ShinXetsu
10.13.11 | woah [2] | Trebor17
10.13.11 | cool | Trebor17
10.13.11 | cool | djunior
10.13.11 | best list Ive seen on here in a long time | Blackbelt54
10.13.11 | nice list
good to see you post something | loveisamixtape
10.13.11 | needs a feature.
great list, dude. | americanohno
10.13.11 | sweetass list bruvah. | sniper01
10.13.11 | word | acorncheese
10.13.11 | eric i know u missed me | alachlahol
10.13.11 | user takes hiatus from sputnik and spends entire time away writing up list of post hardcore albums in hopes of epic comeback | sniper01
10.13.11 | also i need you come back | crazyblinddude
10.13.11 | Eric! Yay. Cool list man. | HongMeiling
10.13.11 | Grats on the feature. | ZombicidalMan
10.13.11 | I liked Tail Swallower more than Oxeneers, but hell, it's your list. And damn, what a list. | mallen-
10.13.11 | well hello there | wabbit
10.13.11 | you should have gone with my soundoffs for La Dispute and Refused. | blazebaileyfinnegan3
10.13.11 | cool | jayfatha
10.13.11 | Ohai | Satellite
10.13.11 | oh fuck yeah!
gonna read this later. so many words. | pjquinones747
10.13.11 | if this is post hardcore then what the fuck to you call Alesana, A Skylit Drive, and Falling in Reverse? | toxin.
10.13.11 | Nice list.
Never talked to you but you seemed like a cool guy. Hope you're back to stay. | NOTINTHEFACE
10.13.11 | Your lists are the best. I've probably gotten more stuff from you than from any other user on this site. | pcar
10.13.11 | tldr | EyesWideShut
10.13.11 | great list but what happened to your others? those were killer bruh. | musicConsumer
10.13.11 | Stop it !! should be on here. A good Post-Hardcore band with two members from City of Caterpillar in it. | Deviant.
10.14.11 | What, you couldn't write anything about Boysetsfire??? | KimmsightMatters
10.14.11 | Welcome back! If I were to listen to say, five of these albums, which would you reccomend first? | AsoTamaki
10.14.11 | Intense list, man.
Domestica. Oh, how I wish Cursive still made music like that. | foxblood
10.14.11 | whoa really impressive list....with actual effort put into it. thanks man | OrangeHologram
10.14.11 | perfect | Aids
10.14.11 | niceeeeee was waiting for this. I gotta rush off to work though =( I'll read later.
Hopefully the thread is better by then too. WHERE DA HATERZ
Bro I play STAR WARS CARDS get it right. | andcas
10.14.11 | welcome back. | WeepingBanana
10.14.11 | sup eric
amazing list | Scoot
10.14.11 | oh hai | Spare
10.14.11 | these are all good except for the few i haven't heard which clearly suck dick. also hsthomas is so wrong. | sniper01
10.14.11 | "if this is post hardcore then what the fuck to you call Alesana, A Skylit Drive, and Falling in Reverse?"
garbage | Lucidity
10.14.11 | This is such an INFORMATIVE list. You are a VALUABLE member of this community. We MISSED you. | dimsim3478
10.14.11 | The era divisions in this list are spot on. | SeaAnemone
10.14.11 | kimm-- check these out, some are essential and some are just fun things you might enjoy:
Fugazi - 13 Songs
A City Safe From Sea - Throw Me Through Walls
Armchairpolitician - Seven Segment Decoder
Cursive - Domestica
Roadside Monument - Eight Hours Away... | ohfoxxxycole
10.14.11 | kiddie gloves everyone, don't wanna upset him | Transient
10.14.11 | nice | SowingSeason
10.14.11 | The prophecized return | clercqie
10.14.11 | Sweet list, this will surely help to expand my post-hardcore collection :) | greg84
10.14.11 | Future Of The Left! Other than that, awesome list! | porch
10.14.11 | i want my name in the list title à la my old porch-hardcore list for originally recommending you lots of these
i hate this genre term now but if it gets people to check out some good bands then alright | CasinoColumbus
10.14.11 | Woaaah, list rules. Nuff said. | omnipanzer
10.14.11 | Oh, hi there. | Yotimi
10.14.11 | I've seen this list on that super secret site you're still a user on. (Sweet list btw) | Tyrael
10.14.11 | Sweet list, welcome back Eric :] | porch
10.14.11 | "Refused would later improve on this blueprint, but they needed NoMeansNo to lay the foundations for them first"
nick butler is clearly dumb | porch
10.14.11 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/whirlingmcdervish/453695931/ | Adabelle
10.14.11 | Great list, nice to see you're back.
Extra love for having Shotmaker and also Crash of Rhinos --> aoty. | theacademy
10.14.11 | #thrice | BigHans
10.14.11 | Knew you'd be back. | theacademy
10.14.11 | I knew it first tho i knew it way before you ever knew it | FelixCulpa
10.14.11 | Sweet list sea. Some great stuff on here and a lot of stuff I want to check out. And welcome back, in a capacity! | Scoot
10.14.11 | Knew you'd be back. [2]
one does not simply leave sputnik | Goatlord
10.14.11 | I like your taste. | Electric City
10.14.11 | oh right | Capablanca
10.14.11 | I've had 65 sitting in my computer for so long, I'm giving it a first listen now. Good to have you back Sea, I remember your lists. | klap
10.14.11 | now if you can just start checking your fantasy team | EyeForAnEye
10.14.11 | this is great. | sniper01
10.14.11 | he's not back guys | TheFonz123
10.14.11 | great list man
btw needs glassjaw | boogs
10.14.11 | 9 is awesome | TheMushuPork
10.14.11 | A very nice list. I see you put a lot of effort into it.
But how can you make a Post Hardcore list without Glassjaw?? | Deviant.
10.14.11 | Easily | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | " "if this is post hardcore then what the fuck to you call Alesana, A Skylit Drive, and Falling in Reverse?"
garbage "
yeah, yeah. but i wanna hear what it's genre really is since this is post hardcore. | Scoot
10.15.11 | shitcore | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | i'm not going to get a real genre, am i? | Scoot
10.15.11 | because it isn't real music | IAmHollywood
10.15.11 | pjquinones747 idiot extraordinaire | Killerhit
10.15.11 | At least you wrote something good about this piece of shit genre
Other than the usual "it's fucking gay" or "it's usually repetitive". | Scoot
10.15.11 | listen to i am hollywood for an example of good post hardcore | Killerhit
10.15.11 | Yeah good that | RosaParks
10.15.11 | pjquinones is the only person i have ever seen give they're only chasing safety a 4.5 but then give define the great line a 2.5
| pjquinones747
10.15.11 | yet they take inspiration from this "post hardcore". if this is post hardcore what is indie rock, rock, alternative, and punk? | Killerhit
10.15.11 | Change is a double edged sword. Will you be the one wielding it, or will you fall upon it? | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | Comment pending. | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | ive heard cursive. definitely not post hardcore. theres nothing hard or core about it. | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | give me a song by I Am Hollywood. | RosaParks
10.15.11 | go away | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | Cursive's "Domestica" is definitely post-hardcore. C'mon, buddy... | Scoot
10.15.11 | did you just label i am hollywood a band
the band is he is legend
go listen to china white | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | I can see how a band like La Dispute is post hardcore..but very old post hardcore - and barely alike
the bands who're influenced by them. Cursive sounds like indie rock to me.. Listen to Killerhit. | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | ok so he is legend is like hardcore. i can see the reference with the screams and breakdowns but its not a post-hardcore sound. no melodies or clean sections really. it's pretty fucking heavy. i dont think its post hardcore even though i do kinda dig it. | Scoot
10.15.11 | ...did you even listen to china white? | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | I'm taking songs you give me. I'm more receptive to this now, I like this song. But: Blessthefall, Underoath's "They're Only Chasing Safety", and Chiodos? What genre is that? | Killerhit
10.15.11 | Stop your ranting
You''re making yourself look like an even bigger idiot than you already are | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | "Blessthefall, Underoath's "They're Only Chasing Safety", and Chiodos? What genre is that?"
Post-hardcore/metalcore. | ChrisHansen
10.15.11 | | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | @dimsim3478: Seems legit to me.
@Killerhit: I just want to legitimately see from all perspectives. I'm sure 99% of this site thinks i'm an idiot, and fine with it. If it's true then I make a great troll even with my sincerity. | Scoot
10.15.11 | most of the bands you seem to listen to have taken the old style post hardcore sound and added metalcore, making it sound like total shit
most of the time | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | What defines metalcore then? I've heard people call The Devil Wears Prada, Of Mice & Men, and We Came As Romans as metalcore, but i've also heard people call Trivium, Killswitch Engage, and All That Remains as metalcore. And then TDWP is post-hardcore to them and idk how the fuck that sounds like people calling Alesana post-hardcore with TDWP. And then there's this list. | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | They're all metalcore (to some degree). | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | That degree gets me trolled up hard. | Scoot
10.15.11 | metalcore is metal and hardcore mixed together. post-hardcore is a branch of off hardcore | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | What is hardcore? And without a bias to the modern day changes in music: could you tell me legitimately where the aforementioned groups stand? | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | Post-hardcore incorporates a diverse array of sounds somehow. Just read Wikipedia articles and listen to the central artists mentioned in said articles in order to identify the sounds that the genre term pertains to.
Get cracking. | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | Oh i've done my research on these different genres. The misnomer of "screamo" needs to be ousted from existence completely. He Is Legend is referred to as hard rock on wikipedia: which i disagree with. Cursive is called indie rock, and I agree. Alesana is called rock, which i disagree with. . . | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | He is Legend; post-hardcore--hard rock influence.
Cursive; post-hardcore and indie rock hybrid, eventually shunned more and more of their post-hardcore sound.
Alesana; post-hardcore--a fairly wide range of influence.
"The misnomer of "screamo" needs to be ousted from existence completely."
- You fail. | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | It won't get removed, i'm aware. But "screamo" strings together Suicide Silence, Alesana, The Devil Wears Prada, Trivium, All That Remains, old Avenged Sevenfold, Escape the Fate, ...you name it. Those bands are definitely not all the same genre. The one who defined "screamo" is the fail i'm afraid. | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | "But "screamo" strings together Suicide Silence, Alesana, The Devil Wears Prada, Trivium, All That Remains, old Avenged Sevenfold, Escape the Fate, ...you name it."
...Oh, dear god...you really have no idea what you're talking about... | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | Popular verdict from ANYONE who doesn't listen to music with screaming in it (and knows anything about it) says it has to do with all and any music that contains screaming in any way shape or form, be it main or background vocals. It's a misnomer. I have nothing else to say about this. | Scoot
10.15.11 | screamo is kind of murky territory | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | So, do you know what screamo ACTUALLY (note the use of the word ACTUALLY) is? | AsoTamaki
10.15.11 | Lol, subgenres. | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | $KRAMZ IZ LEGITT BRAH | sniper01
10.15.11 | i listen to screamo every day its a real term that refers to a real thing.
the bands you mentioned before are post-hardcore bands. the bands on this list are also post-hardcore, but to assume this means they are similar would be stupid, the same way one could call the beatles and lady gaga both pop acts and it would be true, but anyone with half a brain knows that they sound nothing alike. the point is, the bands you named are what eventually happened to the sound after 2+ decades of bands incorporating pop-punk and metalcore (which, btw, has it's own complicated history and a current sound that doesn't resemble it's roots) into the sound.
the term is post-hardcore was never really intended to describe bands like alesana, but the term has been stretched over time because we don't have a better option without resorting to stupid-ass shit like pop-core or post-post-hardcore, which would just be ridiculous. | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | ^A fellow daily skramzer verifies the above post. SAETIA PRIDE | FrankRedHot
10.15.11 | Just posting here to say if I could of kicked any. Pregnant woman in the stomach, I wish it would have been pj's mother
| IAmHollywood
10.15.11 | god he's just so fucking unforgivably stupid... | RosaParks
10.15.11 | this fucking thread oh god | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | Got of cuz I went to sleep. But ah well. | RosaParks
10.15.11 | maybe now you understand
probably not | pjquinones747
10.15.11 | sniper01's comment is pretty much how I feel about it already, i'm just sick of people who listen to the older generation of post-hardcore naming the newer generation of post-hardcore as shit or not real music. And sorry, I don't see how screamo is a legitimate genre. When it doesn't highlight on spell check then i'll consider seeing if it's a real genre. Unless you have a real explanation for it. | sniper01
10.15.11 | i listen to screamo every day its a real term that refers to a real thing. | sniper01
10.15.11 | http://www.last.fm/tag/real%20screamo | aok
10.15.11 | 2 month hiatus = 12 hour list | sniper01
10.15.11 | 1 comment = 0 returning to sputnik for real | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | Screamo is, quite simply, an extremely aggressive, heavily-hardcore influenced version of emo. I'm surprised that you haven't figured that out yet, yet have been on Sputnik for seven months, | sniper01
10.15.11 | i thought that but then i noticed his ratings. which is not an insult, i'm just saying if you only care about those kinds of bands you probably never read screamo reviews/threads. | dimsim3478
10.15.11 | Fair point, but sooner or later, somebody would've rec'd him some real post-hardcore/screamo/etc. | Maniac!
10.15.11 | I missed this list. oopsies | someguest
10.15.11 | seaanemone if you're kind enough to give me download links to the your five favorites from this list I would appreciate it.
I have a gig of internet usage to burn in the next 8 hours before it resets and I don't have time to scour around for links. | sniper01
10.15.11 | do you know how to use google? | someguest
10.15.11 | no | ShadowRemains
10.15.11 | "It won't get removed, i'm aware. But "screamo" strings together Suicide Silence, Alesana, The Devil Wears Prada, Trivium, All That Remains, old Avenged Sevenfold, Escape the Fate, ...you name it. Those bands are definitely not all the same genre. The one who defined "screamo" is the fail i'm afraid."
LOL | Wolfhorde
10.15.11 | LOL [2] | Maniac!
10.15.11 | LOL [∞] | andcas
10.15.11 | @pjquinones747, go back to youtube where you belong. | Leatherneck
10.15.11 | where the goddamned fuck is glassjaw and Thursday (i'll assume you don't really like them and/or don't think they are
important) | Dunpeal
10.15.11 | can't wait for post post progressive hardcore | Leatherneck
10.15.11 | also lol @pjquinones747 he can't accept the fact that his favourite artists are failed attempts at certain genres of music
and nice list Sea, thanks for 72 | bungy
10.15.11 | You're pretty much Sputnik's best lister | RosaParks
10.15.11 | " i'm just sick of people who listen to the older generation of post-hardcore naming the newer generation of post-hardcore as shit or not real music."
because it fucking sucks. Listen to real music. Have you even heard Orchid? | Jethro42
10.15.11 | Hi Seamen! | YetAnotherBrick
10.16.11 | Someone might have said this, but this list really needs Thursday and Glassjaw. I would've thought Sea would've known that | YetAnotherBrick
10.16.11 | Other than that, list is fucking epic, though. Will be referring to this a lot. | sniper01
10.16.11 | "because it fucking sucks. Listen to real music. Have you even heard Orchid?"
orchid isn't post-hardcore, be right if you're gonna act like a d-bag for no reason. | dimsim3478
10.16.11 | A lot of us refer to screamo as post-hardcore at occasional times... | flamingmouse
10.16.11 | awesome list | Megadeth
10.16.11 | fag list | r0bbb
10.16.11 | hetero list | Acanthus
10.16.11 | 31-37 holds most of my love, mainly due to both of the Refused albums since I've actually heard those. | Samshine
10.16.11 | welcome back buddy, i'll be sure to bookmark this list and refer back to it tonight when i download a shit ton of new stuff. | pjquinones747
10.16.11 | @sniper01 Thank you tons. Not really defending me nor them, but the music. As for the rest of you, close-mindedness is failure. See how i looked at/liked some of the music rec'd to me in this conversation and liked it. | FrankRedHot
10.16.11 | Just because people think the shit you listen to is exactly that doesn't always mean that they are being close-minded. In fact, aren't you the same idiot who is saying screamo isn't a genre? | andcas
10.16.11 | who cares what genre is what. if you like it listen to it and shut up. | Trebor17
10.16.11 | sniper01's comment is pretty much how I feel about it already, i'm just sick of people who listen to the older generation of post-hardcore naming the newer generation of post-hardcore as shit or not real music. And sorry, I don't see how screamo is a legitimate genre. When it doesn't highlight on spell check then i'll consider seeing if it's a real genre. Unless you have a real explanation for it.
Go back to absolutepunk | someguest
10.16.11 | but guys
genres | RosaParks
10.16.11 | "orchid isn't post-hardcore"
wasn't trying to imply that they were but ok | Trebor17
10.16.11 | post-nardcore | Scoot
10.17.11 | pjquinones747 That's you in the picture, I assume? Now it makes sense, kids your age hold no respect for the branches off your music.
October 16 10:52 PM • Remove
wtf | pjquinones747
10.17.11 | u mad? | Trebor17
10.17.11 | Scoot doesn't get mad, he gets even | pjquinones747
10.17.11 | Well that's evident. | Scoot
10.17.11 | kids my age
you must be 40 or something | andcas
10.17.11 | don't make scoot angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry. | pjquinones747
10.17.11 | I never said that. I just have a broad perspective of things. @andcas i'm not threatened. | andcas
10.17.11 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ | Scoot
10.17.11 | "I never said that."
"Now it makes sense, kids your age hold no respect for the branches off your music."
| pjquinones747
10.17.11 | Never said my age, bro. | andcas
10.17.11 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=JUZasIB8Sok | Scoot
10.17.11 | well if i'm going to be as perceptive as you i'd go creep your picture too
and you look not much older than me if at all
so saying "kids your age" makes you sound like a fucking retard | andcas
10.17.11 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGT8RbMaS-E | pjquinones747
10.17.11 | Or a whole lot smarter for having a broad perspective. I know lots of teens, lots of young adults, and lots of adults personally who know post hardcore and if i asked 10 more people who were teens when these post hardcore bands were newer about todays newer post hardcore theyd say the same thing as you. I know quite a few people much older than you that like this music lol, so you and those alike you are pitifully close minded. | Scoot
10.17.11 | do you read your posts before submitting them?
you sound like one of those stoner kids from high school that "didn't try until grade 12" | andcas
10.17.11 | there's old and new. it's not a hard concept. the fact of the matter
is screamo exists and the stuff on this list is definitely post hardcore. | pjquinones747
10.17.11 | I didnt hear you address my point. @andcas i agree, and the newer post hardcore is music too..much to Scoot's disdain. | andcas
10.17.11 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yB7J7DYi6M | Scoot
10.17.11 | the thing is, i'm not sure exactly what point you're trying to make since you write like you have
down's syndrome.
"and if i asked 10 more people who were teens when these post hardcore bands were newer about todays
newer post hardcore theyd say the same thing as you."
you have about as broad of a prospective as i'd expect from someone who listens to escape the fate,
trivium and alesana.
either accept the fact that your taste in music is atrocious or continue to post whiny and obnoxious
comments in my shoutbox. | twlichty
10.17.11 | screamo and post-hardcore seem to be two very interchangeable genres, i like the the term post-
hardcore way more because so many people who don't know shit about music will call any band that
screams at them "screamo" | Trebor17
10.17.11 | Most screamo sounds nothing like post-hardcore | dimsim3478
10.17.11 | Close-minded; adjective; not open to receiving new ideas.
In case you think we're just Sputnik conformists, I'd like you to know that a lot of us have probably listened to these shitty fucking bands (hell, I used to like some of them) and DISLIKED THEM. Now, if you think you're such an intellectual because you're "open minded", at least learn the fucking DEFINTION.
And really, just listen to some more non-scene stuff. I'm getting sick of you saying you're so open-minded yet have only gone through stuff like La Dispute (which is pretty digestible, mind you). Try Refused's "Shape of Punk to Come" or some real screamo (Saetia, City of Caterpillar, Hot Cross). Only then will your opinion be valid. | dimsim3478
10.17.11 | ^All directed at P.J., of course. | sniper01
10.17.11 | everybody stop gaying up eric's triumphant non-return-to-sputnik list. | KILL
10.17.11 | sup sea | asaf
10.17.11 | this could take the rest of 2011 to dig through... I'm walking away with a a city safe from sea. thank you for the one. | Iluvatar
10.17.11 | You should have included Fair Trades as opposed to Cryonics, as it is far more relevant to "post-hardcore" | Iluvatar
10.17.11 | also, no On the Might of Princes? | Iluvatar
10.17.11 | missed it whoopsie | theacademy
10.17.11 | http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1232796/bea55081cc4a0a7073bf089635062428_width_640x.png?49fa68bf | sniper01
10.18.11 | lol what the fuck was that | theacademy
10.18.11 | idk i found this iphone in the library and i just walked out with it | iFghtffyrdmns
10.18.11 | andcas killing it with the links, as per usual.
| andcas
10.18.11 | i'm trolling the genre confused kid. no biggie. | Masochist
10.18.11 | Just really happy 'Tomorrow Come Today' is on the list. First contact I ever had with Post Hardcore was "Handful of Redemption." I haven't listened to that album in ages, but it was so important to my musical development that I could never replace it (and they have better albums). | Aids
10.20.11 | you guys you guys you guys
genres | SlightlyEpic
10.20.11 | This is cool. | Inveigh
10.20.11 | hey Slightly | Relinquished
10.20.11 | ^_^ | SlightlyEpic
10.20.11 | hhhhi :) | Maniac!
10.20.11 | Slightly is alive :o | SlightlyEpic
10.20.11 | i am actually a teenage girl pretending to be slightly
or slightly is a teenage girl pretending to be me | tkxxx7
10.20.11 | gay list needs to be unfeatured | SlightlyEpic
10.20.11 | negative | auberginedreams
10.20.11 | epic list. | tkxxx7
10.20.11 | list itself is fine, losers populating it aren't | Urinetrouble
10.20.11 | you may be a fag Sea, but you have Unsane, so i respect you | ultradevilgod
10.21.11 | very nice! Some of the bands here I havent heard of but I'll definitely check them out! | SeaAnemone
10.21.11 | lol the comments on this list suck for the most part thanks sniper and a few others though for keepin shit real | Maniac!
10.21.11 | hi eric | KILL5
10.21.11 | sup sea | tkxxx7
10.23.11 | why is this list still featured? And sea sighting | sailSAway
10.25.11 | this is "true" post-hardcore then i guess? whats all that stuff called that came after the 2000s? | sniper01
10.25.11 | seriously how fucking stupid do you have to be to ask that question in here again? go away. | dimsim3478
10.25.11 | "this is "true" post-hardcore then i guess? whats all that stuff called that came after the 2000s?"
You really might wanna rephrase that, but I know what you mean, and the answer is post-hardcore. So go read Wikipedia until you're up to speed. | sniper01
10.25.11 | or just read the thread before you post. | dimsim3478
10.25.11 | Especially the PJ section. | porch
10.25.11 | a lot of people still need to get it through their skulls that the label 'post-hardcore' was generally just a way of retrospectively grouping together bands of a similar aesthetic/era and was never this rigidly defined genre with a "sound" that became watered down over time. it contains many sub genres, is vaguely defined and so should be taken with a grain of salt. even within this list, the links between between some of the bands are so tenuous that you could argue its been taken beyond any usefulness. we could just as easily call some of these punk/noise/pop rock and move on without trying to say they’re all part of the same lineage. the arguments between fans of new and old post hardcore that often happen in these threads are also pretty dumb when you realize that the bands discussed share basically no characteristics because an already vague genre term has been co-opted and applied more and more liberally to completely different kind of bands
| sniper01
10.25.11 | probably never looked at it quite like that. | wabbit
10.25.11 | man where's the glassjaw? | DurzoBlint
10.25.11 | Nice list, I will check out some I don't own. | dimsim3478
10.26.11 | I see post-hardcore as just an extremely vague genre term that defines a number of varying sounds that may have been mistakenly categorized and are now fully accepted as part of the genre. | rasputin
10.26.11 | LIST IS OLD ERIC | immortalizepain
02.07.12 | Make another list like this please.. I'm slowly checking out most of these albums. | SeaAnemone
02.07.12 | A list about post-hardcore or something in the same vein with a different subject?
To be honest I don't have too many more post-hardcore recommendations up my sleeve that I would feel totally confident recommending... it's pretty exhaustive based on my interest in the genre as of now. | NeutralThunder12
02.07.12 | god look at the detail.....I don't like much of the older post-hardcore but I like some of the last few albums you put on here. good job | SeaAnemone
02.07.12 | thanks-- I know you tend to gravitate towards the newer stuff but a few older albums in particular might be worth checking out seeing as they hold such direct reference points to newer albums... have you heard Nomeansno? Kinda the epitome of that, I think. | immortalizepain
02.08.12 | it could be one or the other. i guess. That was quite ironic, I became interested at post-hardcore again because of your list. Just tell me if you can recommend some. You are great. | ohfoxxxycole
02.17.12 | good list | SeaAnemone
04.17.12 | thanxxx! | auberginedreams
04.18.12 | this is a great list dude, i know its old but i've been coming back here every now and then to make sure i didn't miss anything. you should do one like this but about the history of indie-rock. that would be really interesting, especially because recently i've been getting into some of the more obscure indie subgenres (slowcore, etc.) and it'd be sweet to have a guide if its as well done as this one. | SeaAnemone
04.19.12 | grazie! I've definitely considered doing one for indie before but I ran into a few problems because a) it's such a... hard-to-define (?) genre and b) I think it's much much larger than post-hardcore or emo.. I dunno. If I'm ever super bored I might start one with some essentials or something... I've always wanted to do a post-rock one though, that's much more conceivable.
But if you're looking for an awesome 'essentials of indie' list check out the user porch's. It's fantastic and has many of the ones I'd include, anyway. | omnipanzer
04.19.12 | HI SEA!
/frantic wave | SeaAnemone
04.19.12 | HEY... YOU | Recspecs
04.23.12 | Pjquinones is a dumbass.
Considering copying this list and then adding Emery at the end. | SeaAnemone
04.24.12 | that would be hilarious | Recspecs
04.24.12 | It would be correct and reverent to the post-hardcore gods. | SeaAnemone
04.24.12 | that's what I always say
but people are like hey don't talk about my sister that way | Recspecs
04.24.12 | Hey! Don't talk about my sister that way! | wrecked
06.25.12 | woulda been really really great, but there is no thrice in it, so it basically sucks. | cryMore
06.25.12 | list is missing letlive. | Yotimi
06.25.12 | no and no | SeaAnemone
06.25.12 | never heard those comments before lol... | mindleviticus
06.25.12 | What about thrice? | Adabelle
06.25.12 | Thrice sux, listen to Shotmaker | mindleviticus
06.26.12 | they suck now but they were really good back then | FrankRedHot
06.26.12 | No they weren't | SeaAnemone
07.10.12 | Frank is right | Recspecs
07.10.12 | Thrice is overrated as fuck. | DurzoBlint
07.10.12 | New music. Nice. | SeaAnemone
11.26.12 | lolthrice | wabbit
11.26.12 | I got songs about fucking on vinyl and saturday night this waitress came over to my place for drinks after she closed up and she walked in and it was lying on my coffee table flipped the other way (which is a dude giving it to a girl dogie style) and she was like "wtf is that" and I was like "LOL a really good album" and she was like "you should put it on".
For a moment I thought how fucking awesome it would be to bone a girl while listening to songs about fucking but then my penis wisely starting thinking and told me that was a fucking terrible idea. | WeepingBanana
11.26.12 | it probably wouldn't work most of the time
but if it did then it would be rad | SeaAnemone
01.27.13 | damn miles you're full of bad ideas |
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