wabbit: Electronica! | Sputnikmusic

wabbit 07.18.11	decided one radiohead album was enough cause it was gonna get cluttered.
Yotimi 07.18.11	Our top 11 is eerily similar. The Field has grown on me immensely in the last month (went from a 2 to a 4.5)
wabbit 07.18.11	well you recced me 3/11. never thought 23 would get that high. Album is so great.
Yotimi 07.18.11	yeah it's awesome. You'd probably really like Chris Clark if you haven't checked him out
Qualie 07.18.11	Electronic...not Electronica silly ;)
Qualie 07.18.11	But nice list..19 is on my top 1 for my favorite albums of all time.
wabbit 07.18.11	never heard of him I'll check it out. I prefer the term electronica to electronic as essentially all the music we get is electronic but this genre of music is coming from electronics thus the a is added at the end like in tropicalia. But arguing of genre-tags is super dumb.
Qualie 07.18.11	I just think adding the A sounds corny, maybe it's just me.
Qualie 07.18.11	O and check out 2562- Fever. Very good Dubstep
Aids 07.18.11	Menomena? Hmm I haven't heard that specific album but I wouldn't call them "electronica" I guess I need to spin that shit already, I dl'ed it ages ago. Listened to Friend and Foe yesterday, albums slays And big props for 13, that's probably my favourite electronic album of the limited that I've heard.
wabbit 07.18.11	friend or foe is a lot more indie than Monster. they are both so kick ass though. check out 11 and 15 (esp 15) think you'll really like them.
ButcheredChildren 07.18.11	List Titled: Electronica! and I got pummeled for calling James Blake techno? you are right there with me for fallacious genre names
Emim 07.18.11	Dude, check out Pinch - Underwater Dancehall
Parallels 07.18.11	Ahhh, so thats where 7's picture came from.
wabbit 07.18.11	...techno is specific electronica is a broad overarching term. I'll try to explain it to you all red crayons are crayons but not all crayons are red got it buddy?
Deviant. 07.18.11	"and I got pummeled for calling James Blake techno?" Lol, calling Blake techno is pretty stupid I don't know why people are arguing here, electronica means electronic music so there's nothing wrong here
Deviant. 07.18.11	Funny though, for someone who claimed that dubstep needed to be killed with a knife (I think that was how you put it int the thread for one of my dubstep lists) your hand's pretty far up Burial's skirt
wabbit 07.18.11	I obviously didn't mean the whole genre.
Deviant. 07.18.11	"Genre needs to be killed with something sharp. "
Emim 07.18.11	I'm really liking the few albums I have sampled from Devstep lists (hence reccing Pinch)
wabbit 07.18.11	k fine kill it.
IAmHollywood 07.18.11	obviously you did. but now you see the light
Deviant. 07.18.11	"k fine kill it. " Why? Rabbit - check out The Invisible Insurrection by Desolate and Clubroot (both his self titled and II-MMX) for Burial stuff Emim - check out Nomad by Head Hunter and both Return II Space & Urban Ethics (2 separate EP's but together form an album) by Digital Mystikz for Pinch stuff
Emim 07.18.11	Alright, will do.
Rev 07.18.11	Mezz Crew approved stamp
Liberi Fatali 07.18.11	How is Crystal Castles on here? And regardless of my thoughts on electronic music vs. Electronica, the arguments in here are pretty weak.
TheFonz123 07.18.11	great list most of my favorites are on her
wabbit 07.18.11	I dunno I have just always loved that album.
WashboardSuds 07.18.11	your top 5 or so is pretty similar to my own ranking (probably not 1 though). excellent stuff, good list
wabbit 07.18.11	...everyone's top 5 looks like that.
Deviant. 07.18.11	Still waiting on an answer there rabbit. Why kill a genre that holds one of your favorite electronic albums?
Liberi Fatali 07.18.11	stupid sputnik comments
Liberi Fatali 07.18.11	"I prefer the term electronica to electronic as essentially all the music we get is electronic but this genre of music is coming from electronics thus the a is added at the end like in tropicalia. But arguing of genre-tags is super dumb" It is difficult to see what your exact argument is, as essentially you are saying "Electronic music is a silly descriptor, as all music has electronics involved in its production, but electronica refers to music with electronic production features" In the sense that I think you are getting at (ie electronica features electronic instrumentation along like the likes of synthesizers), the term doesn't define clear boundaries, and interpretation of whether a song or album falls under the genre can be entirely subjective. For example, does Enter Shikari fall under electronica then? If the genre becomes too all-encapsulating, as your use of electronica opens itself up to - then what use is it as a categorizing term?
Baphomet 07.18.11	^You forgot to mention calling it electronica gives Dev a fun nervous tic
Deviant. 07.18.11	Only when it's used incorrectly
Baphomet 07.18.11	which is... 98% of the time around these parts?
Deviant. 07.18.11	Well, that one Skrillex review for instance "Song X" is a standard electronica track.... means nothing whatsoever
Liberi Fatali 07.18.11	@Baphomet, as Dev said earlier there is no point arguing over use of electronica being used in place of electronic music. My opposition to the term (and dev agrees with me on this I believe) is that it was bastardized and used as a marketing term during the 90s, so has a tainted history. And is still used by some people in the same sense as it was during the 90s, ie Fatboy Slim, Prodigy and the like are electronica. Using electronica in that sense is likely to give him a nervous tic. But using it in lieu of electronic music is nothing to grumble about really, though I prefer use of electronic music given that it wasn't bastardized in the past like electronica was.
wabbit 07.18.11	oh sorry deivant ya I'll check that out. @Liberi I see you're point and I agree (like "rock" has become synonymous with almost anything with a guitar) but I just really hate the need to codify art down into sub-sub-genres so I just stick to a wide overarching terms. and Deviant only doesn't like it when people use it to make them sound like they know what they are talking about...I never pretend to know what I am talking about so I can say it.
Deviant. 07.18.11	"and Deviant only doesn't like it when people use it to make them sound like they know what they are talking about...I never pretend to know what I am talking about so I can say it" Ha, I just think that if people are choosing to review something they don't really know anything about they should do their research And just to follow on from Liberi, back in the day people (and artists) took offense to the term IDM (Intelligent Dance Music). It was never designed to say everything is "dumb" but as a way to separate from the more "simplified" dance music like house which was always generally a 4x4 beat and some synths. There stuff was always more complex, harder to crack, more thoughtful than out and out "dance" music. So as a result some people decided to re-name (or, re-tag) the term idm as electronica, which is equally as stupid because all that ever implied was it was "electronic music"
Baphomet 07.18.11	"Baphomet, as Dev said earlier there is no point arguing over use of electronica being used in place of electronic music. " Haha, it's ok man I was just teasing Dev. "Well, that one Skrillex review for instance" I wonder what happened with that ocean guy. Probably took the shortbus home.
wabbit 07.18.11	ya I agree like I know what someone means when they say IDM but it isn't a good term at all.
Deviant. 07.18.11	Personally I think IDM is fine
aok 07.18.11	How is Crystal Castles on here? [2] calling Blake techno is pretty stupid [2] (sorry butchered, but it's true) i'd hope you'd give burial's s/t, shadow's private press some love (and i always liked dummy way better than third) more love and we disagree on a lot of nuances. But it's cool to see aphex twin well represented and there's Lots of great stuff here. cheers rabbit
Liberi Fatali 07.18.11	I think its pretty easy to see why artists might not like the term, but for listeners/critics it might be considered a fairly useful term.
wabbit 07.18.11	man...dummy is in my top 10 easily how did I miss that. thought I would be chastised for not having Mezz here.
Liberi Fatali 07.18.11	Oh and just to get more of a positive vibe going on in here, mad respect for TD on your list. Personally wouldn't choose Zeit, unless it was for coolest TD album cover, coolest song title or coolest album title; but neverthless it is one of TD's best.
wabbit 07.18.11	TD are so awesome. They also have the most expensive vinyl ever
Liberi Fatali 07.18.11	Hehe, I've never bothered to be honest. Got CDs for their older stuff, and now that their website allows digital downloads I just use that for new releases. If I ever come across a vinyl from their Virgin and Pink years, I'd snap it up in an instant.
wabbit 07.18.11	I saw Zeit used and it was $320
Liberi Fatali 07.18.11	Jeepers. At that price I think I'll settle for my $15-$25 CD.
aok 07.19.11	i saw phaedra in a store looking damn good for $20. and i listened to it the first time the next day. ps i relate to 'decided one radiohead album was enough cause it was gonna get cluttered' far too much ;]
AggravatedYeti 07.19.11	wtf Menomena on this list?
Gyromania 07.19.11	"Personally wouldn't choose Zeit, unless it was for coolest TD album cover, coolest song title or coolest album title; but neverthless it is one of TD's best. " Whaaaaaa? No way man - Phaedra has the best of their album covers as well as album title.
Yotimi 07.19.11	I can see the Fun Blame Monster being here. It sounds more indie rock but they write and play everything using some software that they invented.
SeaAnemone 07.19.11	hooray for 30! also list is awesome, not gonna name all my favs but they're here will check out 5, 15, 17 when I have a hcance
Yotimi 07.19.11	You haven't listened to 5 yet??
clercqie 07.19.11	List has Venetian Snares so I'm happy :) Nice other choices as well, especially 18, 13 and 1 (of course)
wabbit 07.19.11	Eric smarten the fuck up.
SeaAnemone 07.19.11	bleep bloops aren't my specialty you know that rabbit list was semi-enlightening though
Trebor17 07.19.11	I have 6 of these I'm so proud
foreverendeared 07.19.11	NO JUSTICE???!!!
Chrisjon89 07.19.11	Couple of good tracks on 1 (Pyramid Song is my fave Radiohead song). It's my 4th or 5th favourite album of theirs though. Pulk/Pulling Doors reeks imo. It's not the style of it. I'm heaps, like, hip to it and shit. Just the weird vocals and lyrics about doors. I don't find it clever at all. 8 is amazing. 26, 25 and 19 are great too.
Liberi Fatali 07.19.11	@foreverendeared well if Daft Punk don't make it, Justice certainly shouldn't.
Rev 07.19.11	My friend got Phaedra on vinyl for $10 bucks while he was on vacation. He also got the Salival VHS/CD for $15, when it normally goes for like >$100 his fucking luck
WashboardSuds 07.19.11	nice to see 17 up here, its a cool album. surprised its not CC2 for a change