TheStefan: Presidents Ranked

TheStefan 05.10.11	I doubt anybody cares as much as I do.
ShadowRemains 05.10.11	everybody else bush
Hyperion1001 05.10.11	Dude fuck yeah my uncle is number 10.
TheStefan 05.10.11	you're related to Polk? i would be honored. He was probably one of the most useful presidents this country has ever had.
pedroia55 05.10.11	What in the hell did James Buchanan do to you?
TheStefan 05.10.11	let the South secede :'(
foreverendeared 05.10.11	ummm Theodore Roosevelt is easily the fucking best
TheStefan 05.10.11	or at least gave them the legal right to.
pedroia55 05.10.11	hsfadgjwagrkntvrf
WeepingBanana 05.10.11	you really put reagan above kennedy and jefferson? you're probably more knowledgeable in this field than me so explain yourself
toxin. 05.10.11	lol James Buchanan
KeithStone582 05.10.11	this is cute.
Trebor17 05.10.11	The Indian Killer should not be 2. Fuck Reagan as well.
WeepingBanana 05.10.11	also woodrow wilson should be a lot lower
foreverendeared 05.10.11	Thomas Jefferson at 22!! I think a spot of hatred just opened up in my heart for you
TheStefan 05.10.11	he was not a good president. He was a great secretary of state, but he essentially violated the constitution and gave the economy a giant shaft.
WeepingBanana 05.10.11	yeah but jefferson was the first person to not want a federal bank dude
Brontosaurus 05.10.11	FUCK REAGAN IM A REBEL BITCH IM ASHIN BLUNTS
Hyperion1001 05.10.11	Mhmm, he's actually directly down the line of my family, it's like great, great uncle or something.
TheStefan 05.10.11	yeah, but he didn't really do anything about it. That's why Jackson is 2 and Jefferson is 22.
taxidermist 05.10.11	Reagan single-handedly took down communism.
Trebor17 05.10.11	What's wrong with communism?
TheStefan 05.10.11	I think the threat of Nuclear War made something wrong with the Soviet Union, not necessarily communism. Don't get the two mixed up. There is such a thing as peaceful communism. In fact, perfect communism is as peaceful as it gets. Unfortunately, I just don't agree with it.
cirq 05.10.11	bush everyone else.
pedroia55 05.10.11	What's wrong with Nickelback?
andcas 05.10.11	I seriously can't fathom how 33 made the list.
pedroia55 05.10.11	"I seriously can't fathom how 33 made the list." The list is presidents ranked... He was a president
TheStefan 05.10.11	you would think bush would get some slack. especially now. He wasn't as bad as everybody makes him out to be imo. He made some bad calls and probably wasn't the best leader in the world, but he wasn't a total failure.
ShadowRemains 05.10.11	lol cirq
Trebor17 05.10.11	Bush tax cuts fucked us up beyond repair.
Josh D. 05.10.11	Jefferson not being 1 is one thing. Him being 22 is a joke. You should be embarrassed.
Blackbelt54 05.10.11	i would put FDR higher but nice list overall
andcas 05.10.11	bush was a disgusting president who helped ruin this country.
TheStefan 05.10.11	Enlighten me, Josh D, why do you like Jefferson so much?
subliminalnirvanaist 05.10.11	Reagan, Coolidge and Bush are ranked to high. Jefferson or Lincoln should be #1. Both Bushes had awful domestic policies IMO
TheStefan 05.10.11	Why does everybody like Jefferson so much? I agree that he was a greatly influential figure in American history, but his presidency was mediocre. It had it's ups, but it also had it's severe falls.
ShadowRemains 05.10.11	ghwb still is miles upon miles upon light years ahead of gwb
KeithStone582 05.10.11	Who had the senate when Bush was president?
Emim 05.10.11	"ummm Theodore Roosevelt is easily the fucking best" This. And lol at putting Clinton with "The Downward Spiral"
subliminalnirvanaist 05.10.11	@ShadowRemains: Oh for sure but thats not saying much. The war in Afghanistan has now lasted nearly twice as long as WWII. I have a feeling we'll end up like the Soviets did over there.
TheStefan 05.10.11	Geddy Lee was never a president. If this was a "bass player's for Rush ranked" list, you had better believe that Geddy Lee would be #1.
Josh D. 05.10.11	Made the Lousiana Purchase which doubled the size of the US while still cutting the deficit. Drawing up the Lewis and Clark expedition. He wrote this thing called the Declaration of Independence. He wrote the Virginia Statute of Freedom of Religion, which became a basis for the first amendment, leading to the first constitution ever to stipulate separation of church and state. Founded the University of Virginia (which is currently one of the best in the country). His leading into the Barbary Wars freed thousands of American sailors, and lead to the first instance of the American flag being planted on foreign soil during a war (Lt. Presley O'Bannon). Basically everything he ever did for independence. If that isn't enough, there is a lot more, but honestly...
twlichty 05.10.11	why's nixon so high?
Josh D. 05.10.11	I mean, if you take out things he did for the country that weren't during his presidency, at least his first term warrants higher than 22.
Xenophanes 05.10.11	Why the fuck are Kennedy and Reagen so high? Especially Kennedy...
cirq 05.10.11	dont blame the presidents for their faults or accomplishments, they are but puppets.
KeithStone582 05.10.11	Reagan was the fucking man!
Josh D. 05.10.11	He was A man.
eternium 05.10.11	1. What the fuck is good about Andrew Jackson? 2. What the fuck is good about Calvin Coolidge? 3. Why is FDR so low? 4. Why is Jefferson so low?
TheStefan 05.10.11	Louisiana Purchase: Unconstitutional. By making a decision while violating the Constitution, he failed at his job. Although it was great, and did double the size of the US. Lewis and Clark Expedition: Pretty much negligible aside from the fact that it was the first time that white men were exploring the west for the government. Virginia Statute of Freedom of Religion: Not during his presidency Founded UVA: Not during his presidency (1819) although he did draft the idea during his presidency. Barbary Wars: definitely a great achievement. Declaration of Independence: Not during his presidency. You are also forgetting the Embargo Act. This essentially ruined the US economy right before the War of 1812 and crippled any shot that the US had of mending ties with Britain at the time, and enlisting aid from France in the upcoming war. Really, that's the reason he is 22. His lack of foresight in that decision was extremely costly.
KeithStone582 05.10.11	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_enwllKVe46g/STRlabLgcuI/AAAAAAAAAAg/uF-J5qmXNBc/s400/SuperReagan.jpg THE Man.
iFghtffyrdmns 05.10.11	needs moar condoleezza rice
ShadowRemains 05.10.11	xeno, your country might be a nuclear wasteland if kennedy wasn't around
TheStefan 05.10.11	Jackson gave America the groundwork as a place of equal liberties for all. Prior to Jackson, the government was a bunch of snooty rich guys who essentially ignored 99% of the population. Jackson did away with this. Coolidge presided over a time of the highest prosperity the US had ever seen. He essentially did nothing, but that was the beauty of his presidency. He let economics function unhindered. Look into FDR. You will realize why he is so low. Jefferson is above.
Xenophanes 05.10.11	But seriously, had 9 not been assassinated he more than likely would have gone on to be one of the worst in history. Bay of Pigs, wtf?
Iamthe Nightstars 05.10.11	The other week some random guy came through my line at work and said he would give me a dollar if I guessed which number of president Jackson was. I guessed 7 and got it right for the dollar!
Xenophanes 05.10.11	Yeah I agree with Pit, the Trail of Tears was pretty awful.
TheStefan 05.10.11	Yeah, but he also conquered Florida. The Indians weren't really Americans. It wasn't his job to protect them. He may have been genocidal, but he was definitely an American President. He treated them as a foreign nation to be annexed.
andcas 05.10.11	Yeah I agree with Pit, the Trail of Tears was pretty awful. [2]
foreverendeared 05.10.11	Are you judging based on their merits as a President alone or not? You can't do it both ways excluding bits that weren't during a Presidency and including bits that weren't as well.
TheStefan 05.10.11	@Xenophanes. Do your homework on Kennedy. He was pretty fucking great.
pedroia55 05.10.11	Presidents Ranked? More like Residents Pranked
Xenophanes 05.10.11	Don't forget the Cuban Missile Crisis and the escalation of the Vietnam war. If anything he brought us closer to being a nuclear wasteland lol
Josh D. 05.10.11	"Louisiana Purchase: Unconstitutional. By making a decision while violating the Constitution, he failed at his job. Although it was great, and did double the size of the US" Things were different back then. If you are really going to take that, which happened in 1801, and dock it for that reason, go ahead, but no one really cares about that. The things I mentioned out of his presidency, I said: "I mean, if you take out things he did for the country that weren't during his presidency, at least his first term warrants higher than 22". The Embargo Act was in his second term, which is why I focused on his first. It was probably difficult for anyone to see the effects being as bad as they were, especially considering what was going on before it (impressment of sailors, trade aiding foreign wars, etc). Jefferson also wanted to avoid another war.
foreverendeared 05.10.11	"The Indians weren't really Americans." Did you really just say this
TheStefan 05.10.11	Why are you insulting me? Sorry if your people were removed from their land. Honestly, the just stood no chance against the US government. It's not the job of the US to protect people who are not theirs. If Andrew Jackson wants to take Florida, he will fucking take Florida.
eternium 05.10.11	Jackson helped the poor man, yes, but not too much. He set up a cabinet made up of his friends and not professionals. Trail of Tears is one MAJOR thing. He also got rid of the national bank which led to a huge economic depression. Coolidge simply got out of being president before the economy collapsed and the Great Depression started. He was also quite corrupt. The only bad thing about FDR is the Japanese internment and the Court packing scheme that he almost did. The New Deal, WWII accomplishments, etc. strongly outweigh and he was easily one of our best leaders.
KeithStone582 05.10.11	@TheItalianStallion. I thought the same thing about you. weird.
TheStefan 05.10.11	@Josh D. I agree with you. I guess you are just easier on him than I am.
andcas 05.10.11	@xeno, we luckily got out of it but could you imagine if 33 was in office.
TheStefan 05.10.11	@foreverendeared yes. i said that. they were not granted citizenship. therefore they are not citizens. Therefore, Jackson didn't really need to consider their well being in his decision. This makes them little more than an obstacle.
eternium 05.10.11	Reading what he's saying about the Indian removal makes his opinions invalid. Just wowwwww.
SkateFootballMusic 05.10.11	Franklin D. Roosevelt should be higher. He was so good hes the only president thats been in office for more than 2 terms. Plus, he got us out of the Great Depression. Herbert Hoover and Barack Obama are to high.
eternium 05.10.11	You're officially a piece of shit in my book. I thought I'd let you know.
TheStefan 05.10.11	@TheItalianStallion. Yes. I agree, we haven't been. That's why Teddy Roosevelt was 3. Look into him. You will see the parallels. These men, although what they did was awful, made the United States a powerful nation.
Josh D. 05.10.11	"@Josh D. I agree with you. I guess you are just easier on him than I am" I'm very easy. My nickname in high school was Dick Magnet.
Xenophanes 05.10.11	Oh god andcas, the horror lol I mean, the man could barely articulate a sentence haha
KeithStone582 05.10.11	TheStefan tries to look at it realisticly.
TheStefan 05.10.11	@SkateFootballMusic. FDR didn't get us out of the depression. He simply alleviated the problem until the revival of industry from WWII took the US economy out of the shitter.
andcas 05.10.11	it's okay to massacre an indigenous population who were here first?
Xenophanes 05.10.11	Alright this kid's an idiot and this thread is probably going to get really retarded really fast so I'm gonna save face and abandon ship. Have fun guy who thinks genocide='MRCAN PRESIDENT
TheStefan 05.10.11	No, that's not why they are great. It's because of the rewards that were reaped as a result of those atrocities. I'm not saying they are saints or anything, but the numbers don't lie. They took the US to the next level.
Scrambled 05.10.11	Kennedy didnt really do anything great he was just a hot piece of ass that every woman swooned over also agree that Reagan is way too high, he had Alzheimer's for god sake teddy roosevelt prob #1 honestly
PoweredByMetal 05.10.11	I actually am a huge Millard Fillmore fan
Josh D. 05.10.11	Jefferson - Josh D. 2012
FatChickIrl 05.10.11	lol
SkateFootballMusic 05.10.11	This list is the fastest Ive seen users comment on.
Iamthe Nightstars 05.10.11	I got to meet Jimmy Carter and shake his hand on a plane to South Africa when I was in 5th grade.
Josh D. 05.10.11	"Hey guys, I killed my neighbor yesterday. It's okay, though, because I got his trampoline." Lol.
foreverendeared 05.10.11	"Hey guys, I killed my neighbor yesterday. It's okay, though, because I got his trampoline." Fuckinglol
TheStefan 05.10.11	@TheItalianStallion. That's the law of the land. Like it or hate it, that's how things work. Spoils go to the victor.
eternium 05.10.11	"FDR didn't get us out of the depression. He simply alleviated the problem until the revival of industry from WWII took the US economy out of the shitter. " No. What atrocities did Teddy Roosevelt commit?
savagecabbage 05.10.11	Genocide for freedom!!Theses colors don't run. Praise Jesus, kill them queers, and fetch my slave!!!
TheStefan 05.10.11	He was a conqueror much like Jackson, he just slapped some legislation on it so that way it sounded less bad.
Scrambled 05.10.11	nice dude
Josh D. 05.10.11	That sure was courteous of him.
TheStefan 05.10.11	Unfortunately, that's not how things work anymore. The 1830s were a simpler time.
ShadowRemains 05.10.11	stefan your logic is flawed, face it
eternium 05.10.11	Ah.. the 1830's.. when you could treat another human being however you wanted if you had the money and power.
TheStefan 05.10.11	It's not. It's just a different way to look at it. But i see all of you are humanitarians and I am vastly outnumbered. I understand where you are coming from, I just disagree with you. I'm not going to call you an idiot or anything because everyone is entitled to their opinion.
eternium 05.10.11	We're against murder and you obviously are not.
andcas 05.10.11	this is getting heated. where is the comic relief guys.
TheStefan 05.10.11	I think it's common sense to take something if you want it, and you have the means to do it.
TheStefan 05.10.11	Yes.
TheStefan 05.10.11	In fact, it's not just okay, it's in your best interest.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"Theodore Roosevelt is easily the fucking best" I'd have said FDR as well and I'm not reading through all of this to see the arguments. :^P
eternium 05.10.11	Do you love Hitler and Stalin too?
KeithStone582 05.10.11	Fuck Jackson. Taft was a fat ass.
savagecabbage 05.10.11	If consequences dictate my course of action then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate my course of action I should, well I should play God and just, SHOOT YOU MYSELF!!!
foreverendeared 05.10.11	Killing my niece today because she has PSP and I want it, wish me luck. She's only 10 though so i should have no problem fucking destroying her.
ShadowRemains 05.10.11	rooooofl pit
Blind 05.10.11	illuminati
eternium 05.10.11	Reliving the life of Ted Bundy just because I can.
TheStefan 05.10.11	It's not like the Indians were fucking saints either. Georgia had been plagued by Indian attack for years by the Floridian Indians, and now that Florida was the US's, Jackson needed to remove them to save American lives and populate the new state. I get where they would be pissed, but Jackson was looking out for the best interest of the United States, not for humanity.
savagecabbage 05.10.11	Dudes I think I'm gonna rape and plummage an unsespecting village tonight. They have shit. Probably some cool shit I've never heard of, and I want it. First I need to find a galliant white steed to ride the night winds for my midnight rape and plummage. I will keep you all up to date. Godspeed.
TheStefan 05.10.11	I get that, but don't take that out on Andrew Jackson. He didn't land in 1607.
TheStefan 05.10.11	New York.
savagecabbage 05.10.11	Does anybody here own a white horse? Anybody? Let me know...
eternium 05.10.11	It's not just his ignorance, it's his fucking morals too or lack of them.
americanmusicmachine 05.10.11	good to see some love for Chester A. Arthur. The man's whose career was mostly due to political patronage ended up being the guy that ended it's wide influence. He also had some kickass mutton chops. But despite how much I like Arthur I think he should be lower just for signing the Chinese Exclusion Act into law.
TheStefan 05.10.11	Morals play no part in politics.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	Grant should be dead last.
savagecabbage 05.10.11	Good enough. Stefan if you could just give me your mailing address, you have inspired me to rape penetrate, beat, and infect your family with small pox because I want your horse for a midnight rape.
TheStefan 05.10.11	I hate Grant too, but he was no Buchanan.
pmmets07 05.10.11	BARACKO BALMER
TheStefan 05.10.11	Okay. I disagree with you. I'll leave it at that. There's no need to get hostile. Calm down, it's an internet discussion.
andcas 05.10.11	"Morals play no part in politics." list now makes complete sense.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	But he was a fucking political idiot.
eternium 05.10.11	"There's no need to get hostile." But what if I want something? That's okay in your world.
ShadowRemains 05.10.11	poor people in alabama (and im not talking money wise)
TheStefan 05.10.11	Yes. But simply kill me and take it. Hostility shouldn't manifest. This is of course, in a natural world. Not the United States.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	sorry he should have been next to last... right above Bush. Neither of them should have ever been anywhere near the white house except as dinner guests.
TheStefan 05.10.11	The ideals I have put forth in this list is why the United States is the most powerful country in the world.
Bron-Yr-Aur 05.10.11	awful list
eternium 05.10.11	Then go fucking live in the "natural world." The rest of us will act like decent human beings.
Aids 05.10.11	I'm Canadian so I don't know that many presidents but I know two things: FDR was the man and Nixon fucking sucks. Good call putting Warren Harding so low, that reminds me of Jon Stewart's book where there's this big piece about how he's easily the worst president of all time.
eternium 05.10.11	"The ideals I have put forth in this list is why the United States is the most powerful country in the world. " No, we're the most powerful country in the world because we weren't destroyed by Hitler's armies in World War II which is exactly what set Europe back. We grew stronger thanks to FDR's policies and American scientists/entrepreneurship that led to our many inventions, including the nuclear weapon which was originally built to help stop Hitler and the Japanese, who were committing atrocities that you imply are okay. The Soviet Union had the same ideals as you did and collapsed as a result. The United States grew morally (civil rights, etc.) and is still around.
Narshh 05.10.11	LMAO "kill me but hostility shouldnt be a part of it" oh and LEGALIZE POT
TheStefan 05.10.11	Since Vietnam, we have been interfering with every other fucking country in the world with no gain to the United States, costing us trillions of dollars. Not to mention, everyone in this country thinks they are entitled to everything, slowing down the progress of the economy tenfold. We borrow all of our money from China, and spend it all on useless wars and entitlements for Americans. That's why. The US looks weak because the government is weak. It's too sympathetic. Everything should be done in self interest. Washington said it in his farewell address, and we are simply looking away from it.
TheStefan 05.10.11	No, the Atomic Bomb was developed in US self interest. It's not okay to let the Germans and the Japanese commit these atrocities if you think they are wrong! Don't get me wrong on that. I think everyone should just be out for themselves. I don't support Hitler. I am American. I support the United States' growth. Which is why I'm a fan of the "Big Stick" policy.
SeaAnemone 05.10.11	LBJ is far far too high
eternium 05.10.11	Jesus fucking Christ you are an idiot. Everything you just said is factually wrong and morally fucked.
TheStefan 05.10.11	No, it's not imperialistic, unfortunately. We are trying to spread democracy because we think it's "good." It's not because the US has anything to really gain from it. I get why that would be beneficial in the 60s-70s-80s to help stifle the USSR's power, but nowadays it's really just a waste of our time and money.
Xenophanes 05.10.11	"LBJ is far far too high" Yeah because that's the one thing here fucked.
eternium 05.10.11	It's only okay if he's American. Do you like Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann?
TheStefan 05.10.11	Because I support America. I believe that he did it in the right to spread the borders of the US. I don't think it's morally sound, but it was done in US self interest. Hitler was just a wackjob. The Jews did not need to be exterminated for Germany's power to spread.
eternium 05.10.11	"The Jews did not need to be exterminated for Germany's power to spread. " ..............................
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"Since Vietnam, we have been interfering with every other fucking country in the world with no gain to the United States, costing us trillions of dollars. Not to mention, everyone in this country thinks they are entitled to everything, slowing down the progress of the economy tenfold. We borrow all of our money from China, and spend it all on useless wars and entitlements for Americans. That's why. The US looks weak because the government is weak. It's too sympathetic. Everything should be done in self interest." None of this is accurate as written. There are parts of truths but no whole truths.
TheStefan 05.10.11	That's great. We had just better be getting something in return. I'm not a fan of instilling democracy and then leaving without anything in return. That's just stupid.
TheStefan 05.10.11	@omnipanzer. There are exaggerations. There are slight inaccuracies. It's a summary written in like 8 lines on a music website. I'm not going to go into the US's foreign policy for the past 60 years just so i can prove a point.
Scrambled 05.10.11	ya stefan that germany statement was dumb, not even funny in a troll sense
Maniac! 05.10.11	1 is a joke.
TheStefan 05.10.11	I don't think they NEEDED to be exterminated. They weren't really. Those who complied were moved into Oklahoma. Those who didn't... well they got exterminated. But this was in the name of increasing the power of the US. So yeah, I'm okay with that.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"There are exaggerations. There are slight inaccuracies." I'm sorry if you believe that but every statement in that paragraph is false or an opinion.
TheStefan 05.10.11	We are stronger than other nations. Therefore, we can do quite a bit.
TheStefan 05.10.11	@ominpanzer. Nothing is really false. Certain exaggerations. Yes, my opinions in there are commenting on events that have actually, indisputably, happened.
andcas 05.10.11	"The Jews did not need to be exterminated for Germany's power to spread." hitler used jews as scapegoats and it helped him rise to power.
eternium 05.10.11	It's only okay to feel entitled to something if you're powerful and taking it from the weaker majority. That's the basics of trickle down economics. Surprised this idiot didn't put Reagan as number one.
Narshh 05.10.11	This is almost like the time i tried to convince my English class that Hitler wasn't evil because the term evil is subjective...at least that was funny...this is just painful
TheStefan 05.10.11	"I also find it odd and fucking sad that your numbers 1 and 2 are complete opposites of each other. 1 believed in individual freedoms and equality for all, while 2 was okay with just wiping out an entire people just to make himself look good in the history books." I think you need to read up more on Lincoln and Jackson.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	Since Vietnam, we have been interfering with every other fucking country in the world with no gain to the United States, costing us trillions of dollars. (False) Not to mention, everyone in this country thinks they are entitled to everything, slowing down the progress of the economy tenfold. (opinion) We borrow all of our money from China, and spend it all on useless wars and entitlements for Americans. (false/opinion combo) That's why. The US looks weak because the government is weak. (opinion) It's too sympathetic. (opinion) Everything should be done in self interest. (opinion) Where am I wrong here?
Hyperion1001 05.10.11	Jackson was a giant dick he kind of has a point.
TheStefan 05.10.11	I'm not saying he wasn't a dick. I'm just saying that him being a dick doesn't play a part in judging him as a president.
TheStefan 05.10.11	I don't think you have for you to claim that Lincoln was out for "equality for all" and "individual freedoms" and that Jackson only called the indian removal act so that he could "look good in the history books"
Maniac! 05.10.11	lol people still think Lincoln actually did the work for emancipation?
omnipanzer 05.10.11	nah, it was in large part to make France sympathetic (politically) but there were other reasons as well.
TheStefan 05.10.11	There aren't. Which is why Lincoln is number 1 and Jackson is number 2.
TheStefan 05.10.11	Why would Jackson do anything for himself? That would surely land him among the likes of Warren Harding and Ulysses Grant. The reason he was a great president is that he gave himself the backseat in the eyes of history to enact the Indian Removal Act for the good of the nation. That's the president's job. To look out for the country.
Maniac! 05.10.11	Is Stefan 12?
mallen- 05.10.11	FDR at 18? yeah ok
redskyformiles 05.10.11	this list confused the hell out of me. no sense in arguing since it's your opinion, but christ you've got some weird ass opinions.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"That would surely land him among the likes of Warren Harding and Ulysses Grant." I don't see the correlation.
Hyperion1001 05.10.11	"Indian Removal Act for the good of the nation." How was the Indian Removal Act in any way shape or form good for the country?
TheStefan 05.10.11	Read a book.
TheStefan 05.10.11	It took the threat out of settling Florida.
Hyperion1001 05.10.11	It was one of the worst moments in US history i don't understand how it was a good thing.
redskyformiles 05.10.11	manifest destiny helped expand the nation into what it was today even if how it was attained was morally dubious and genocidal. so you can give him that, even if the man totally fucked the economy for years because of his spat with Biddle.
TheStefan 05.10.11	Because now the American people were free to populate Florida. It also took the threat of Indian attack out of everyday life for Americans. I am judging Jackson on his ability to protect and serve the US people. Not on a humanitarian effort. He did his job well. He may not have done it popularly, but he did it pretty damn well.
andcas 05.10.11	it wasn't our land to take dude. we as a nation were in the wrong.
Hyperion1001 05.10.11	I mean i guess, but what we did to the Native Americans was disgusting and fucked up beyond reason i don't exactly hold in that high esteem.
TheStefan 05.10.11	I'm just saying that if you don't understand something, it's your responsibility to look it up.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	TheStefan... This is probably going to come off as a bit harsh and for that I apologize in advance. I kind of feel like you're the long haired blond guy in the bar from good will hunting. You've studied up on these things but have no practical application for your knowledge and are taking everything you've heard/read at face value. You're statements tend to be very inaccurate and you seem to be allowing your opinion to color your statements and maybe filling in some blanks based on hunches.
Winsomniac 05.10.11	....So we're in Iraq for oil, right?
TheStefan 05.10.11	It's the only bit of information that matters when judging the US presidents.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	It's just a feeling bro.
Maniac! 05.10.11	good will hunting ftmfw
omnipanzer 05.10.11	Forgot the ! Brandon ;^)
toxin. 05.10.11	Wait, so from a German perspective, Hitler's one of the nation's greatest leaders because he took a fucked up economy and made it running again? And you just pay no attention to killing all the fucking Jews? You have to take in ethical and moral considerations, too, to rank a president. Now if the list were, "US Presidents, in order of how much they helped America and America herself, notwithstanding ethics" then you might have a point.
TheStefan 05.10.11	@omnipanzer. That may be true. But they are my beliefs. I will stick by them until someone has a good enough argument to prove to me that I am definitively wrong. I can see TheItalianStallion is trying, but he just comes off as a screaming humanitarian who is upset because Andrew Jackson fucked his ancestors. I'm just saying be open. I get where you guys are coming from. I'm not wrong. It's undeniable that the presidents i listed towards the top made the US into a military/economic giant.
TheStefan 05.10.11	@xtoxin: No, he can be classified as a monster, because the killing of Jews had no benefit toward the German economy.
andcas 05.10.11	@stefan, up in the list you said 33 wasn't a total failure. i'm curious to find out what he did in office that you thought advanced our nation.
Hyperion1001 05.10.11	"just comes off as a screaming humanitarian who is upset because Andrew Jackson fucked his ancestors." Ok so Pol Pot was an amazing leader because he put all the jobless Cambodians to work right?
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"Please, someone tell me I've at least made a dent in this wall, because my head is starting to really pound." Nope, not a dent.
toxin. 05.10.11	Okay, so suppose that theoretically, we could assume that nuking the rest of the world would definitely benefit America. Are you suggesting that a president that nuked the entire world (thereby killing 6+ billion people) would be a great American president?
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"I'm not an indian" He was known for poking the help... I'm pretty sure he's calling you a nig Stallion.
TheStefan 05.10.11	@andcas. He didn't really advance it, he just sort of stagnated it. It was a slight decline, no doubt, but he didn't take a great nation and fuck it mercilessly like Hoover or Buchanan did.
Maniac! 05.10.11	"No, he can be classified as a monster, because the killing of Jews had no benefit toward the German economy." Gonna go kill a shitload of people to help our community. if it works I won't be a monster brb
toxin. 05.10.11	"THE ECONOMY WAS BETTER THAN EVER WHEN HE TOOK POWER! That's it. I'm upping and moving to fucking New Guinea or something. At least they have an excuse for stupidity and ignorance." What? I could've sworn the economy was garbage. Unless that was like 1927 and he took power in what 1933? I don't know.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"He was known for poking the help... I'm pretty sure he's calling you a nig Stallion." and a bitch... js
savagecabbage 05.10.11	Sometimes when I'm out in society I see people behaving appropriately and acting rationally and I think to myself " we were meant to live differently than this. Our founding fathers would have done things differently." then I think of all the brave, open minded, well spoken, educated REAL Americans like Glenn Beck and everyone affiliated with Fox news. At that moment I am sporting a robust erection so I put it to use like and American and fuck the bitch with the Audi and steal her car when I'm done cuz it's nice and I don't have one and that's just the law of nature. Flawless logic.
Josh D. 05.10.11	Good album.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	Yah... we do.
andcas 05.10.11	@stefan, he took our surplus and turned it into a deficit in the trillions. the mans idiotic arrogance and actions led to countless blunders and war crimes.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	Wife is Sicilian and I love "True Romance". ;^)
omnipanzer 05.10.11	He must of thought today was white boy day. Is today white boy day?
omnipanzer 05.10.11	Sorry not quoting correctly was killing me. Drexl: He must have thought it was white boy day. It ain't white boy day, is it? Marty: No man, It ain't white boy day.
climactic 05.10.11	jameskpolk ftmfw
andcas 05.10.11	assuming he'd run the country in an identical way, you're probably right.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	Now I know I'm pretty, but I ain't as pretty as a couple of titties.
bungy 05.10.11	lmao is that a badger
toxin. 05.10.11	@savagecabbage, he's actually not really as big of an idiot as you may think he is. I would know because my parents force-feed FOX on me (well they watch and when I'm eating I have no choice), which is obviously counterbalanced by the ridiculously liberal point of view the history textbooks/my history teacher gives me. It's like, some of the things he says make sense. But then some of the things he says are so ridiculous and outrageous that it's easy for the likes of Jon Stewart to make him look like a complete imbecile. Glenn Beck annoys me to no end, but I don't think he's as stupid as people say he is.
AngelofDeath 05.10.11	Andrew Johnson is way too high.
Josh D. 05.10.11	"Glenn Beck annoys me to no end, but I don't think he's as stupid as people say he is." He is.
Josh D. 05.10.11	I mean, he likens himself to Thomas Paine, lol, what a dumb fuck.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	Don't let Hans hear you say that Pit, no no no no no no.
foreverendeared 05.10.11	"he took our surplus and turned it into a deficit in the trillions. the mans idiotic arrogance and actions led to countless blunders and war crimes." ignorant babbling
andcas 05.10.11	@foreverendeared, no sir not at all.
PoweredByMetal 05.10.11	Nixon is way to high
Josh D. 05.10.11	He would.
toxin. 05.10.11	Josh D., the problem with saying that is, if you REALLY think he's as stupid as you say he is, there's no reason (unless you're in the same situation that I am in) to listen to him at all. So you wouldn't really know whether he is or isn't. If you take everything he says with a grain of salt (he's conservative) and ignore some of the crazy shit he says, he's not that bad. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying you should watch him or the stuff he says isn't, at times, borderline insane.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"Nixon is way to high" I agree he is to high but not sure about "way" to high. He did some good things and there is reason to believe he was given kind of a raw deal. He was a better president than popular history has reflected.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"he says with a grain of salt (he's conservative) and ignore some of the crazy shit he says" Question: If you have to take what he says with a grain of salt and ignore some of the crazy shit he says why would you listen to him at all?
PoweredByMetal 05.10.11	Yeah I guess, Watergate just made everyone hate him, so now whenever someone hears Nixon they instantly think about all the bad things about his presidency
omnipanzer 05.10.11	@PoweredByMetal: I don't have a great memory but I remember watching a documentary that pointed out his few flaws (watergate being a big one) and then listing his achievements and there were many.
Josh D. 05.10.11	"Josh D., the problem with saying that is, if you REALLY think he's as stupid as you say he is, there's no reason (unless you're in the same situation that I am in) to listen to him at all." I don't intentionally listen to him. "If you take everything he says with a grain of salt" Instead of taking what he says with a grain of salt, I take what he says, realize who is saying it, and believe the opposite.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	Oddly enough I can spot a movie reference from 1992 with no problems though.
Poet 05.10.11	lmao Coolidge is waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too high. And the fact that you have William Henry Harrison at 36 is retarded. Yeah Harding may have had the most corrupt cabinets ever, but his ability to keep peace within politics has to mean more than someone who was only President for 30 days and essentially did nothing.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"most corrupt cabinets ever" That would be grant. least cohesive would be Bush
Josh D. 05.10.11	Cunnilingus Rice
bungy 05.10.11	does anyone else see the badger
Poet 05.10.11	They both sucked balls regardless
omnipanzer 05.10.11	@ Poet - absolutely sir @bungy - yah, slightly to the left.
bungy 05.10.11	YEAH
PoweredByMetal 05.10.11	Also, In my opinion Grant should be lower. That corrupt basterd
YetAnotherBrick 05.10.11	As a person, I hear that Nixon was actually a pretty cool dude. Just really insecure.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	"I thought he was talking about the Mel Gibson flick." Beaver
Josh D. 05.10.11	The Leave It To Beaver movie is awesome.
omnipanzer 05.10.11	Beaver got great reviews but I don't think the nation is ready to let it go... plus he was up against Thor pffft.
PoweredByMetal 05.10.11	@YetAnotherBrick, I actually heard the opposite of that...
YetAnotherBrick 05.10.11	Powered, you're just saying that because you have to disagree with everything I say to separate yourself from me and make it look like you're cool and have your own opinion.
bungy 05.10.11	LOL beavers
JWT155 05.10.11	Reagan should be higher.
bungy 05.10.11	instead of reagan you should just put beavers
bungy 05.10.11	JUSTIN BEIBER IS HILARIUS AND A GOOD SINGER
cirq 05.10.11	TRUMP 2012!
KimmsightMatters 05.10.11	You know, I hate to be the pot calling the kettle black (or whatever they say these days) but this list was a BAD idea.
Josh D. 05.10.11	Wow. And yes, that's exactly what "they" say.
toxin. 05.10.11	Question: If you have to take what he says with a grain of salt and ignore some of the crazy shit he says why would you listen to him at all? ------ Answer: Question is actually irrelevant and doesn't address my point. I never claimed why you SHOULD listen to him at all. I simply said that if you HAVE to listen to him and actually want to come out more knowledgeable from it, realize the source and try to find the needle in the haystack, so to speak. I was not defending whether or not someone should purposefully go listen to him; I was simply responding to the claim that everything Beck says is idiotic. (Which is not true).
SCREAM! 05.10.11	Can't wait for this guy to be pres, nuke the rest of us off the face of the planet and act like it was the correct thing to do because now America owns it all
Josh D. 05.10.11	"Question: If you have to take what he says with a grain of salt and ignore some of the crazy shit he says why would you listen to him at all? ------ Answer: Question is actually irrelevant and doesn't address my point. I never claimed why you SHOULD listen to him at all. I simply said that if you HAVE to listen to him and actually want to come out more knowledgeable from it, realize the source and try to find the needle in the haystack, so to speak. I was not defending whether or not someone should purposefully go listen to him; I was simply responding to the claim that everything Beck says is idiotic. (Which is not true)." No one cares. And it is true.
toxin. 05.10.11	^You're a troll. And an idiot. Just FYI I was responding to someone's question. So obviously someone cares. (Although I suppose that's too much logic for your brain to handle.)
toxin. 05.10.11	^Actually, I'm pretty sure responding "No one cares" to a post that wasn't even intended for him is pretty much unnecessary trolling. And it's not like we even have that big of a difference of opinion. I've already stated that I wouldn't listen to Beck if I had a choice. I just don't like the notion that everything he says is stupid. After all, only a Sith deals in absolutes.
andcas 05.10.11	please don't bring my beloved sith into this argument.
toxin. 05.10.11	Sorry. I was hoping someone would point out the irony of a Jedi stating, "only a Sith deals in absolutes" but I guess not. And yeah, I kind of see it that way. I mean, I don't even know what was to be gained from his posting that. Although if it's really that big of a point for you, I'll retract my statement lol
toxin. 05.10.11	That's kind of gross. And my physics "teacher" (he's a fucking idiot) is obsessed with Star Wars, South Park, and the Simpsons, so I'm full of these quotes. (He's like 50. Like I said, he's a fucking idiot)
Josh D. 05.10.11	"^You're a troll." I hope you fall down stairs.
toxin. 05.11.11	My house is carpeted.
Josh D. 05.11.11	Damn.
foreverendeared 05.11.11	haha
Josh D. 05.11.11	Well, I never said which stairs. Basically we hate you and Glen Beck.
toxin. 05.11.11	That sucks
omnipanzer 05.11.11	"Question is actually irrelevant and doesn't address my point. I never claimed why you SHOULD listen to him at all." Sorry I should have phrased that more clearly. If people in general have to take what he says with a grain of salt and ignore some of the crazy shit he says why would >YOU< listen to him at all? I wouldn't listen to him because he is out of the closet biased and I'm against that in journalism... even fake journalism.
Poet 05.11.11	Damn Josh, didn't know you were trolling this site for the past 5 years
PedalToTheMetal 05.11.11	lol
JAV 05.11.11	Clinton, Obama and Bush 2 are too high. It's too soon to properly judge any of them, especially Obama since he's still in office. Oh and Andrew Jackson was a savage.
North0House2 05.11.11	Dude, George Washington should be right under Lincoln. Jackson was no good, even though he was alright in some respects. Jefferson should be pretty high up there too. But seriously, like JAV said, Obama, Clinton and Bush Jr are way too high. They all sucked.
Xenophanes 05.11.11	"They all sucked" hurr durr Obama has nearly two years hardly past tense
North0House2 05.11.11	Fine, currently suck/did suck. Lol, I didn't bother to change it to present tense for that. Too lazy cuz it's midnight.
North0House2 05.11.11	WHY DON'T WE HAVE BLACK SHEETS OF PAPER? WE MUST ALL BE RACIST BECAUSE WE ONLY USE WHITE PAPER.
andcas 05.11.11	obama will run on "I took osama down" and probably win.
SeaAnemone 05.11.11	Jesus christ the arguments in the thread by Stefan are scarily fucked up
North0House2 05.11.11	But, he didn't really do it. He was just lucky enough that they finally found him during his term. I mean, seriously. He didn't do anything at all. The military took the guy down based on stuff that Bush put in place (not that I'm supporting Bush, he was a pretty bad president.) Still though, Obama didn't do crap.
wyankeif1337 05.11.11	"obama will run on "I took osama down" and probably win." - oh god no
RosaParks 05.11.11	obama - fake history hm
North0House2 05.11.11	Who do you think the next president will be? Like, what kind of guy? I personally want some homeless bum to rise to the occasion, gain support, and take the reigns. Bums may be stoned and drunk, but as long as they're not Communist, they tend to have more real ideas than anyone else I know... Talking to them is always so great.
WasWas 05.11.11	DONALD TRUMP
North0House2 05.11.11	I would vote for that guy, JUST CUZ OF HIS WEIRD HAIR. That and the fact that I spent a few hours on a music review for the guy... Which the mods apparently didn't like much... Anyways.
MetallicOpeth 05.11.11	this thread is fucking entertaining
North0House2 05.11.11	You know who should run for president? The Situation.
SeaAnemone 05.11.11	Pit I couldn't agree with your reaction to this idiot more. I know we usually disagree about shit like this, but your post about this kid reading a textbook with no logic behind it was my reaction too. These are some of the more disgusting things I've seen posted on the site... counting MJ's image-trolling... and I have no idea what went wrong in this kid's life.
toxin. 05.11.11	"why would >YOU< listen to him at all?" Okay, for some reason my post never sent through. If you mean literally, it's because I sit down to eat and my parents are watching, and I can't really turn my ear off. If you mean figuratively (like why don't you just tune out/laugh out/ignore everything he says), it's because if you can filter through the conservative bias (and don't get me wrong, the same is true for the NBC anchors too) you can learn stuff and gain insight. Believe me, I've learned a lot from my AP US teacher. I recognize his liberal bias, and it's not like I think, "Oh well, he's liberal. Since to get the 'real' picture I have to take everything he says with a grain of salt, I'll just ignore him instead."
SeaAnemone 05.11.11	I grew up in an incredibly conservative community with an ignorantly conservative dad and a well-informed liberal mother... had a pretty good balance I'd say.
foreverendeared 05.11.11	lucky
acorncheese 05.11.11	read through at least a hundred comments. list is just pure OP, pit, forever and josh. Truman was always my favorite president.
qwe3 05.11.11	"Louisiana Purchase: Unconstitutional. By making a decision while violating the Constitution, he failed at his job. Although it was great, and did double the size of the US." oh wow such stupid reasoning
geng 05.11.11	By this guy's rationale George W Bush was a great president. Sure he stole the election and went into highly morally ambiguous wars in Afghanistan and Iraq which has and is causing the deaths of thousands, but just look what he's done for US oil interests! Surely there has to be more about what makes a president great than causing an increase in prosperity.
foreverendeared 05.11.11	Oh, you're one of those people.
BigHans 05.11.11	Hans is gonna see red when he sees my post saying he can kiss my ass. ^ Not really. A thread like this doesnt raise my blood, unlike the Bin Laden stuff, because here people are objectively discussing American history, not sympathizing with Al Qaeda. There have been plenty of ridiculously shitty Presidents, but its not always the most obvious ones. Most of the greatest Presidents werent as great as people thing, most of the ones that are consdiered the worst werent as bad as people think, and some of the ones that squeak by without much mention were some of the worst. The real idiots are the people in America who still think Presidents have King-Like powers. They don't.
Emim 05.11.11	"Reading what he's saying about the Indian removal makes his opinions invalid. " This may be one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this site.
omnipanzer 05.11.11	It got pretty redonkulouse.
BigHans 05.11.11	That said, having Bill Clinton in front of FDR and Jefferson is a fucking joke.
Emim 05.11.11	"And lol at putting Clinton with "The Downward Spiral"" There was some irony involved.
BigHans 05.11.11	I judge Presidents more on their general influence, their overall legacies, because picking apart each individual decison/piece of legislation is a complete waste of time and is not an objective excercise, as Presidents do not have the power to do whatever the fuck they want and are often reacting to Congress. Example: Jefferson: sure we can pick apart where and when his greatest accomplishments happened, but the fact remains his influence on our nation is undeniable, and his legacy is ridiculously strong. Clinton: A conniving, evil prick who's greatest goal in my opinion was to try to get America to relive the 60's only to a greater extent (pushing massive liberal cultural influences) and having an "aw shucks Im such a good ol boy" affable attitude when the whole time his goal was looking out for #1, period. An absolutey fucking terrible President. And before any idiot comes in and claims that he rebuilt the economy all by himself, take a look at who controlled Congress for many of those years. Reagan - overrated by republicans, even myself, but his legacy is he put an end to the Cold War, which is a damn fine accomplishment. I could go on.
Tyrael 05.11.11	Nixon is way too damn high on this list. Watergate anyone?
BigHans 05.11.11	And LBJ needs to be much, much lower
SeaAnemone 05.11.11	Reagan's economic policy fucked us over pretty bad though... I'd say that's a more prominent legacy than "putting an end to the Cold War" (an inevitability round that time anyway)
BigHans 05.11.11	I want your view on Jackson, Hans....... ^ Tough call Pit. He certainly wasn't the only President to endorse killing Indians by a long shot. He certainly isn't #2, thats for God Damn sure, but I think if we're going to bash a President for allowing Indians to get slaughtered, we have to address them all. Jackson seems like a total asshole, and while I certainly don't think its a cool thing to slaughter a bunch of Indians, it was not him alone that did it, and if that hadn't happened, theres a chance that most of us wouldn't be drawing air right now. So I guess my opinion of him is he was a total asshole, but not the only one.
BigHans 05.11.11	Reagan's economic policy fucked us over pretty bad though ^ Its not quite that simple, but there is some truth to that, which is why I say he is overrated by Republicans.
Tyrael 05.11.11	What do you think about D. Eisenhower Hans? I have an american friend who always claims that he is the best president ever cause his terms were so peaceful...
BigHans 05.11.11	What do you think about D. Eisenhower Hans? I have an american friend who always claims that he is the best president ever cause his terms were so peaceful... ^ I think he was a pretty solid President. to me his greatest legacy is America's system of Interstate Highways came to frutiion under his term. I can't imagine this country without that.
BigHans 05.11.11	I see what you're saying, and I'm inclined to agree with you. It's good to know you think the same way that I do. Sure, he's not the only genocidal maniac we've had in office, but he's the one I remember the most from high school because I went to high school with blacks and Seminoles, and I still remember the heated discussions we had. ^ I mean, yeah, if I had Indian blood, Im sure I would hate him, and can understand that point of view.
BloodSweatandBeers 05.11.11	"but his legacy is he put an end to the Cold War, which is a damn fine accomplishment" There were alot of people/things which brought about the end of the cold war. I'm sure you know that Hans, just saying.
BigHans 05.11.11	Nixon is way too damn high on this list. Watergate anyone? ^ My view of Nixon is that he was a bastard, but he wasn't as bad as people think. I don't think he was a great President by any means, but he certainly wasn't as terrible as people make him out to be. One of the positive things he did was open diplomatic relations with China. As far as Watergate goes, I would bet every cent i had that most Presidents in the modern era have spied on their opponents, but Nixon was just dumb enough to get caught, and because he had the intra-personal skills of a tree, did not handle it well, thus tarnishing his legacy overall.
BigHans 05.11.11	There were alot of people/things which brought about the end of the cold war. I'm sure you know that Hans, just saying. ^ Absolutely, but he was very influential in that process, and that is his greatest legacy, at least from a positive standpoint.
BloodSweatandBeers 05.11.11	Cool. I've just heard way too many people praise only what the US did to end the cold war and that really erks me.
BigHans 05.11.11	Yeah Reagan didnt end the Cold War by himself, regardless of what Limbaugh and Hannity say. Just like Bush didn't start the Iraq war by himself, just like Lincoln didnt end slavery by himself, etc. American Presidents have always received way too much credit/criticism than they actually deserve. Again, it goes into the notion that the majority of American people don't have a fucking clue how little power a President actually has to control legislation. This is why I choose to label them by their influence, because really, that is their greatest political power IMO.
Maniac! 05.11.11	What does Hans think of Ron Paul?
Sanders 05.11.11	Dude from Independence Day should be No.1 for his awesome speech. /Argument
BigHans 05.11.11	What does Hans think of Ron Paul? ^ I can't say I know enough about him to give you a long, informed answer, Brandon. I do agree with some of his thoughts on cutting spending and limiting government.
BigHans 05.11.11	Dude from Independence Day should be No.1 for his awesome speech. ^ lol, its been awhile since Ive seen that movie, but didn't he bomb the living shit out of one of his own cities (Houston?). Again, its been at least 10 years since I've seen it.
BloodSweatandBeers 05.11.11	I find Ron Paul is probably one of the more intelligent politicians in the scene today. He seems to bring forth some ideas which are way to liberal for Americans (his stance on drugs for example). But in terms of the economy, the man's a friggin' genius.
Maniac! 05.11.11	I like Ron because he isn't a crackpot neo-conservative
Sanders 05.11.11	"Yeah, but what about James Marshall for re-election? I mean the guy did defeat the Kazakh uprising on Airforce One and was able to eliminate the tyrant, General Ivan Radek." Ahhh, but then we have to take into account Thomas J Whitmore's skill being the controls of an aircraft, against far superior technology (...that could be destroyed with a laughing skull virus?).
BigHans 05.11.11	I like Ron because he isn't a crackpot neo-conservative ^ He doesn't strike me as a social conservative, or at least an extreme one. He does seem to be a pretty strong fiscal conservative, which I really like.
BigHans 05.11.11	Pit, I think Sputnik needs a movie Presidents ranked list, and you are the best man for that job.
Maniac! 05.11.11	Being the independent that I am... I fucking love that he is socially liberal. I fucking love it even more that he wants to gtfo of the middle east, cut back the government, and leave everyone alone. unfortunately he never gets the primary. However, this will be my first election where I can vote. Gonna vote for Paul most likely.
Maniac! 05.11.11	A friend of mine told his ultra-conservative good ol' Southern parents the other day that he votes Democrat and is a liberal. He would have been better off telling them that he's a homosexual. or an atheist
BigHans 05.11.11	tkxxx7, asking you nicely to edit your post cause I really hate page breaks. Que everyone posting a page break.
tkxxx7 05.11.11	I hate them too, honestly. Except when I do them. Hypocrite? no, Sputniker.
SeaAnemone 05.11.11	"I find Ron Paul is probably one of the more intelligent politicians in the scene today. He seems to bring forth some ideas which are way to liberal for Americans (his stance on drugs for example). But in terms of the economy, the man's a friggin' genius." I thought the same thing myself when I knew very little about him. Trust me, the guy's an idiot. I've seen him speak twice, his views on the domestic economy (actually foriegn economic matters as well) would send us straight to oblivion... faster than we're already getting there, that is. That being said, I agree with some of his social stances. Believe it or not, the fact that marijuana is illegal is one of if not the single biggest social issue facing our country, when you consider the absurd state of our prisons and everything surrounding that issue... nationally legalizing marijuana would immediately and drastically change our justice system for the better.
BloodSweatandBeers 05.11.11	Sea - Couldn't agree with you more about the drug stance. But he knows his economics. To call him an idiot due to his ideas of sending America straight into oblivion isn't fair since that IS the reality. What's better: Solving a problem when you see it right away, even if it will hurt the country for a little while; or let the problem persist and have serious ramifications on life as we know it due to continuing down the same old path. That's why people call him a crack pot. They can't grasp the massiveness of the financial problems and don't want to stray away from the immediate reward formula which has worked for so long.
SeaAnemone 05.11.11	lol... trust me, getting rid of the Fed sounds all fine and dandy to people that are anti-government-growth (unrealistic proposition, but one that I agree with ideally) it would kill our economy. On the other hand, we wouldn't NEED such a large economy considering how drastic of a cut he wants to make on military spending (yes please), but still... it wouldn't work, especially considering the globalization factors of it all... I feel like his isolationism in general makes him pretty ignorant. I've seen him speak twice, by the way, and he seems like a really nice, genuine, guy, so there's that at least.
scissorlocked 05.11.11	presidents suck
Xenophanes 05.11.11	Hans is making a ridiculous amount of good points itt
BigHans 05.11.11	lol thanks Xeno, bet that blows your mind after our Bin Laden scuffle
Maniac! 05.11.11	"Hans is making a ridiculous amount of good points itt" not like it happens often
Xenophanes 05.11.11	Oh ya man. We've got different views on stuff but you're a cool guy, no hard feelings mang?
BigHans 05.11.11	Brandon, I was a political science major, and Ive had about 8 years to debug the ridciulous amounts of bullshit that was slung at me, thus making my opinions on these matters more lucid. You bet Xeno
Xenophanes 05.11.11	Yeah, I mean, I think Clinton was pretty badass, but admittedly it was the Republican Congress led by Newt Gingrich that helped his presidency look so good.
BigHans 05.11.11	I am not even going to get started, but there are several reasons why I think Clinton was a straight up evil son of a bitch. Lets just leave it at that.
Ovrot 05.11.11	3 is 1
Maniac! 05.11.11	"Brandon, I was a political science major, and Ive had about 8 years to debug the ridciulous amounts of bullshit that was slung at me, thus making my opinions on these matters more lucid." I was obviously joking. No need to defend yourself.
BigHans 05.11.11	I wasnt defending myself. I was describing why I am so God damn on point in this thread.
tkxxx7 05.11.11	lol at "God damn"
Maniac! 05.11.11	going to hell
Maniac! 05.11.11	Fuck. Just realised I can't vote in the primaries.
bungy 05.11.11	foad tvol
tvol 05.11.11	if someone can't go on to sputnik, nay the entire internet, to be a dick and piss off people he's never met in a conversation he doesn't care about, then where can one go to do so? and seriously... you didn't see that coming? rookie mistake bitching about page breaks.
omnipanzer 05.11.11	^ yah... Hey TheStefan can you delete tvols comment please.
BigHans 05.11.11	hey tvol can you kindly slit your wrists in a warm tub? Thanks. Dont get sensitive, afterall, its the internet.
tvol 05.11.11	you guys get butthurt real easy. kinda makes me glad i did that.
BigHans 05.11.11	not really, it just proves that you are most certainly a failure in life and the only thing keeping you from hurtling off a building is getting some kind of smarmy revenge on the internet. Way to be a rebel.
TheStefan 05.11.11	Can't we all just get along?
jayfatha 05.12.11	lol
qwe3 05.13.11	ron paul is the way
qwe3 05.13.11	"it just proves that you are most certainly a failure in life and the only thing keeping you from hurtling" or he could just enjoy fucking with you
tvol 05.13.11	^ ding ding ding
qwe3 05.14.11	lovt
foreverendeared 05.14.11	I admire Ron Paul for not ever fucking changing his views, there is an honesty to that I admire even though it makes him a poor politician.
qwe3 05.14.11	well yeah he's never gonna get nominated let alone elected but hey
Deviant. 05.14.11	"I seriously can't fathom how 33 made the list." Andcas contributing to the book of stupidity again
WeepingBanana 05.14.11	I have concluded from this thread that Ayn Rand is TheStefan's wet dream oh Ayn, u so naughty
lilium23 05.17.11	FDR not number one. "Blasphemy" I love the irony of Obama being under Fake History.
qwe3 05.18.11	"I seriously can't fathom how 33 made the list." loooool
andcas 05.18.11	as in he was such a bad president I don't think he should've been added. once again unprovoked you choose to be a douche. it's getting old.
qwe3 05.18.11	he wasnt the worst ever and he was a president so yeah
andcas 05.18.11	I don't care. imo the bad ones should have been left out. the end.
Deviant. 05.18.11	Yeah, but he's ranking the presidents, so......
andcas 05.18.11	I don't have to like the list nor do I feel like arguing.
Deviant. 05.18.11	Since when did this have anything to do with liking a list?
andcas 05.18.11	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lKoo8jJzYs