buckfutter
06.02.10 | I know I'm gonna get a lot of heat for this list..... so flame me, faggots. |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | Dani Filth? YOU must be the faggot lol js
no Peter Tagtgren? shame on you |
Satellite
06.02.10 | inb4 the sea of butthurt.
I approve of your choices, but I have only a passing interest in metal. |
Phrike
06.02.10 | wheres Mustaine and Hetfield
fanboys will find the lack of Jacob Bannon disturbing
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buckfutter
06.02.10 | Jacob Bannon isn't the focal point of Converge because his vocals, in all honesty, really aren't that strong. Personally, I don't think Mustaine and Hetfield are really that great. |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | hetfield and megadave aren't very good
Peter Tagtgren is better than Akerfeldt, needs to be on list! #1 is correct tho good job |
Inveigh
06.02.10 | take out 25, 20, 18 and 17 and replace with Peter Dolving, Jeff Moreira, Greg Puciato and Phil Anselmo and you'd basically have my list. basically. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Thank you FadetoBlack. Tagtgren would be an honorable mention |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Dolving's pretty good, Moreira(remember Inveigh, I'm almost as big a PTW fan as you) doesn't touch this list, Puciato's okay, but I think he sounds strained at times, and Phil,well, I'm pissed at Phil. |
qwe3
06.02.10 | the vocalist from in flames is so fucking bad |
Inveigh
06.02.10 | well, Phil's a dick. And I would only give it to Puciato for his Miss Machine performance, he has sounded strained since then. Moreira's grown into an almost Chino-like presence on the mic on The Tropic Rot, I'll give you he wasn't very good on their first couple albums. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Lol, he is now. I loved him on everything up until now, pretty much |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Moreira's gotten much better, I just don't think he'd belong on a list like this. His cleans are much smoother and his screams/growls are a lot better than they used to be, though. |
Phrike
06.02.10 | was joking about Mustaine and Heffie js
Bannon's vocals on Jane Doe were pretty amazing. On You Fail Me... not so much |
Phrike
06.02.10 | yea both Anders and Speed suck so hard |
BeardedIdiot
06.02.10 | As much as I like In Flames, Friden doesn't deserve a spot in this or any other "Best of..." list |
Phrike
06.02.10 | maybe best of faggots? |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | I think he does. I thought he was great on The Jester Race and Clayman, kinda fell off for a bit, came back on Come Clarity(especially Crawl Through Knives) and now he sucks again. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | It's all personal opinion, of course |
Phrike
06.02.10 | on CC he was trying to scream his head off ffs. and not in a good way |
BeardedIdiot
06.02.10 | Not having heard TJR I can't say much, but his scream/growl is kind of annoying, let's be honest. He was decent on Whroacle though |
Bfhurricane
06.02.10 | I'd throw Tommy Rogers on here. Ozzy seems a little high though... |
BigHans
06.02.10 | I would put Dickinson 1 and Dio 2. Needs moar Sebastian Bach. |
Inveigh
06.02.10 | I always thought Anders best performance was on Colony, but that's just me. Never really cared for his vocals much. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | I'm sorry but Tommy Rogers' voice is one of the few downers about BTBAM. Ozzy seems a lil high? Are you crazy??!!! |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | If Bach wasn't such a fucking publicity whore, I might go with him on this list. He's right up there with Phil |
Prolapse
06.02.10 | Needs moar M. Shadows |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | I'd rather slit my throat than see M. Shadows on this list |
BigHans
06.02.10 | Yeah Bach is a douche but the dude can flat out sing. |
Gmork89
06.02.10 | Pretty damn good list, glad to see Townsend's inclusion. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | So can Phil! Unfortunately, I ignore the publicity whores and hounds because they don't get my respect. They've lost their love for the art and found that they enjoy looking like a fool in front of a camera. Fuck 'em |
BigHans
06.02.10 | How bout some Joey Belladonna? |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Hans- Damn, I failed to recognize that. I might have to think about that and make some adjustments to this list. |
Apollo
06.02.10 | Mikael and Maynard need to be ALOT fucking higher on this list. Also, in no way shape or form is Chuck Schuldiner the best metal vocalist of all time. And Layne Staley? METAL? ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | shut up |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Apollo- WTF are you talking about? Schuldiner is the fucking man, and AIC not being metal? Are you fucking retarded? |
Gmork89
06.02.10 | Layne deserves to be on this list, how can you say he doesn't and then suggest Maynard be higher? |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | Nehl AĆ«lin
Julie Christmas
needs those two.
this isnt a plug, but if you dont know them, check out my reviews for battle of mice and akphaezya
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Hawks
06.02.10 | Nice to see Dani on this list lol. But I personally would have Dio as number 1. |
Apollo
06.02.10 | AIC was a grunge band, not metal.
And Death is an awesome band (Chuck a great vocalist) but he was not the best vocalist of all time.
At least you nailed Bruce Dickinson as #2 although I would personally put him at #1 |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | yeah, no Dio makes me sick....I will have to kill you now. |
Apollo
06.02.10 | Gmork89 - I dont personally consider AIC a metal band while Tool is most definately a metal band. |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | no Dio @1 makes me sick*
and AiC was metal within the grunge scene, just like soundgarden... |
Gmork89
06.02.10 | If AIC doesn't qualify then where the hell does Tool stand? Dipshit. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Tell me how AIC is strictly a grunge band. Is it because they are from the west coast? Because they came out around the same time as Nirvana? Because I don't see how they are similar at all to any of those grunge bands. |
Inveigh
06.02.10 | Soundgarden's not metal...
but lol at considering Tool metal and not AiC |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Muzik- Believe me, it was close in the top 5. Any one of those guys could have been number 1, I just had to choose whose vocals I like the most |
BeardedIdiot
06.02.10 | @ Apollo - I don't think this list is ranked, at least the description doesn't said so. And about Stayley - Alice in Chains is pretty much a metal band with the "grunge" label slapped on. |
Apollo
06.02.10 | Gmork89 - your totally fucking retarded. You obviously have no knowledge of music whatsoever. Anyone on this site will clearly agree that Tool is a metal band .
On this fucking site, AIC is listed as Grunge and Hard Rock. Look it up you fucking troll. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | I don't know about that Inveigh. Look at Badmotorfinger. That was definitely a metal album. At least it was to me |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | buckfutter, with your blessing, I am gonna make a counter-list to this one.
screw it, i dont care if i have your blessing ;D |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | tool isn't metal |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | inveigh, you sir, are incorrect. badmotorfinger was metal, just as much as facelift
seriously guys... |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Muzik- I'd give you my blessing regardless. I'd enjoy seeing what you'd do with a list like this.
Apollo- Yea, that makes sense, because if Sputnik declares it grunge/hard rock, then I guess they're right? You know, because it's the be-all/end-all?
Seriously, get off this list. Stop commenting. |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=1072579&sid=0e13a5902ea549c256f51e2d60d2d3cd |
Apollo
06.02.10 | Tool is progressive Metal.
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Gmork89
06.02.10 | If AIC isn't, then tool sure as hell isn't. |
Inveigh
06.02.10 | yea I can see the metal, I would just hesitate to call them a metal band or Chris Cornell a metal vocalist. Otherwise he would need to be on this list. |
BigHans
06.02.10 | Brett Michaels
Jani Lane
Don Dokken
Mark Slaughter
Phil Lewis
Vince Neil
Michael Monroe
Jeff Keith
Tom Kieffer
Steven Pearcy
Joe Elliot
The sad part is I didnt have to look any of those names up. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Lol, Inveigh, I almost did put him on this list. He would definitely garner a honorable mention |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | read the link I posted |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | BRETT MICHEALS WTF?!!?!?!?!!??!!?!?!??!!??!?!!?! |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | I did..... and I disagree with Tool not being metal(I believe they are personally). But if AIC isn't metal, than reallly, who is? |
Inveigh
06.02.10 | well by the definition in that link none of those three bands are metal |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | that was at Apollo but yeah. generally a good indication to see if something is metal is to look on metal archives. |
Gmork89
06.02.10 | AIC>Tool |
Apollo
06.02.10 | you know what, I havent listened to too much early AIC, mainly the singles so I really cant make that kind of a statment without listening to the music first.
At either rate, Tool is a metal band. |
Prometherion
06.02.10 | Apollo is an idiot. There is definitely an element of heavy metal in AiC. list is cool IMO, though i disagree with some points. |
BeardedIdiot
06.02.10 | Well, if we trust (as FadeToBlack said) Metal Archives, then AiC is hevy metal/grunge. Tool... isn't |
elephantREVOLUTION
06.02.10 | not bad. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | "you know what, I havent listened to too much early AIC, mainly the singles so I really cant make that kind of a statment without listening to the music first."
Then why in the fuck did you make that statement? |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | Danny Carey is the best drummer in rock, dispute that and I know you are a dunce. I made a list of all of his gear:
Drums, Sonor Designer Series (bubinga wood): 8x14 snare (bronze), 8x8 tom, 10x10 tom, 16x14 tom, 18x16 floor tom, two 18x24 bass drums.
Cymbals, Paiste: 14" Sound Edge Dry Crisp hi-hats, 6" signature bell over 8" signature bell, 10" signature splash, 24" 2002 China, 18" signature full crash, #3 cup chime over #1 cup chime, 18" signature power crash, 12" signature Micro-Hat, 22" signature Dry Heavy ride, 22" signature Thin China, 20" signature Power crash.
Electronics: Simmons SDX pads, Korg Wave Drum, Roland MC-505, Oberheim TVS.
Hardware: Sonor stands, Sonor, Axis or Pro-Mark hi-hat stand, Axis or Pearl bass drum petals with Sonor or Pearl beaters (loose string tension, but with long throw).
Heads: Evans Power Center on snare batter (medium high tuning, no muffling), G2s on tom batters with G1s underneath (medium tuning with bottom head higher than batter), EQ3 bass drum batter with EQ3 resonant on front (medium tuning, with EQ pad touching front and back heads).
Sticks: Trueline Danny Carey model (wood tip) |
Gmork89
06.02.10 | I was wondering the same thing, pretty quick to condemn me for a retard for somebody who hasn't even listened to the band. |
BeardedIdiot
06.02.10 | Appollo pwned himself |
Prometherion
06.02.10 | Thats why he's an idiot. commenting without even knowing |
Apollo
06.02.10 | because as far as I was aware, AIC are simply a grunge band. And for what I consider metal, they arent. By my last statement I havent heard the early AIC so maybe that stuff is heavier but the singles and newer album are more grunge/hard rock.
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Apollo
06.02.10 | Prometherion - just bc there is an element of metal in a bands sound does not make them primarily a metal band fuckwad. |
Prometherion
06.02.10 | why so radical then? the line between heavy metal and hard rock is already very thin and depends on your perception of heavy. |
BigHans
06.02.10 | I think this is proof of the "kinder, gentler" Pit. A couple of weeks ago Apollo would have got his ass turned out. |
Gmork89
06.02.10 | Unless their Tool. |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | apply that logic to Tool and you will realise that they are not metal.
noisy + distorted =/= metal |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Apollo- Do you wanna make anymore uninformed comments? Or do you just wanna bow out gracefully? Well, maybe we're past gracefully, so do you just wanna bow out? We'd understand. |
BigHans
06.02.10 | Apollo- Do you wanna make anymore uninformed comments? Or do you just wanna bow out gracefully? Well, maybe we're past gracefully, so do you just wanna bow out? We'd understand.
^ Case in point right here. |
Apollo
06.02.10 | hahaha congratulations you think you won an argument on the internet. Woo hoo! good for you! I was simply disagreeing with your rankings and the fact that this is a metal vocalist list.
The rest of you guys can suck a cock. I know what metal is and dont need your bullshit definitions to define it. Tool is a metal band along with other genres. AIC might be somewhat metal but are primarily not.
In the end its all opinion and mine disagrees with yours. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | I can always count on you, Hans |
BeardedIdiot
06.02.10 | Better not say anything than use the redundant "It's all just opinions" argument. |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | apollo is one of those annoying people who cant admit when theyre wrong apparently |
Inveigh
06.02.10 | Apollo said:
"I was simply disagreeing with your rankings and the fact that this is a metal vocalist list."
now let's look at Apollo's first comment on this list:
"Mikael and Maynard need to be ALOT fucking higher on this list. Also, in no way shape or form is Chuck Schuldiner the best metal vocalist of all time. And Layne Staley? METAL? ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?"
lol. that's a good way to "simply disagree" -- you know, calling someone fucking retarded. |
Apollo
06.02.10 | what can I say, I like to stir the pot |
Prometherion
06.02.10 | talking about expression of opinions but yet hes the one who is trying to flame on those whoe disagree. |
BigHans
06.02.10 | Yeah a clear case of being wrong and getting defensive about it. |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | why are we arguing about Tool anyway, they suck huge black cock and dont deserve to be on any list except 'Bands Who Suck Big Black Cock' |
Gmork89
06.02.10 | He was simply disagreeing Inveigh, not having a childish shitfit. |
BigHans
06.02.10 | Hey now, Tool rules hard. |
Gmork89
06.02.10 | "why are we arguing about Tool anyway, they suck huge black cock and dont deserve to be on any list except 'Bands Who Suck Big Black Cock"
End of story. |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.02.10 | Great list. I'd add Anselmo and Flynn because I really like their voices - Anselmo especially.
I'd put Dickinson at 1. Never rated Dani Filth, although he does well for a midget. |
AngelofDeath
06.02.10 | Desperately needs Attila. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | What's that I hear? Apollo retracing his steps? |
Prometherion
06.02.10 | Agreed, Dickinson is probably the best traditional vocalist, though Chuck slays too. |
zombiepirate57
06.02.10 | This argument is absolutely absurd. Can any of you truly define what metal is? I sure can't, and I don't believe there is a cut and dry method of looking at it.
@buckfutter- Great list man. I have been enjoying all the top 25 metal lists you have been posting recently. I imagine they are quite difficult to make. |
Emim
06.02.10 | I prefer my list, but this has some good choices on it too. |
BigHans
06.02.10 | I'm hoping he does a top 25 Metal Keyboardist list. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Zombiepirate- Muchas gracias, senor. If you ever have any recs for me or want any recs, I'd be glad to oblige. |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | are you gonna do top metal bassists? |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Marta from Bleeding Through would be number 1. Not because she's good(although she is), but because I'd like to plow her into next week. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Fadetoblack- Ya, I'm working on that right now. It's much harder than the other three I've done. |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | i was gonna make my list, buck, but i hit the back button by accident >.>
I'll be typing up vocalists for a while more -.- |
Prometherion
06.02.10 | nice, looking forward to that one. Expecting Webster on it. |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | expecting DiGiorgio to be #1
or else |
Prometherion
06.02.10 | yeah, that guy has to be there. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Fade- You got number 1 right. Here's a preview:
DiGiorgio
Webster
Steve Cloutier
Tony Choy
Sean Malone
Dan Briggs
Good place to start? |
BigHans
06.02.10 | Better be some Cliff Burton on there. |
BeardedIdiot
06.02.10 | This might be a bit redundant, but what about Les Claypool? |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Hans- C'mon, you should know me better than that by now |
Prometherion
06.02.10 | how about that dutch guy from Obscura? and the guy from Augury? |
zombiepirate57
06.02.10 | I may actually have to take you up on that buckfutter. I have never really been able to get into Death metal, so I might hit you up about that sometime.
As far as your list goes, I agree with a lot of it but there is a lack of power metal vocalists. Daniel Heiman, Hansi Kursch, and Tommy Karevik to be more precise (glad to see Roy Khan on here though).
Also, I think Ozzy is extremely overrated. The timbre of his voice is awful to my ears. |
Poet
06.02.10 | ozzy sucks so much. Roy Khan is also way too low |
FadeToBlack
06.02.10 | lol Cliff is so overrated
as for others umm... needs moar Iron Maiden and Gorguts bassists |
BigHans
06.02.10 | I'm confident we will also see Geezer Butler, Dave Ellefson, and John Myung. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Ozzy's voice to me is one of the best. Not so much now, but in the Black Sabbath days and the Bark At the Moon-era, he was tops.
I'm just not a big power metal fan, and I'm not gonna put names of people on here I haven't heard just because a site or someone says they are great. If you have any good recs for power metal, go ahead and give them to me. I'll give it a shot |
Poet
06.02.10 | well Roy is probably the 2nd or 3rd best power metal singer. Daniel Heiman is the only one that's definitely better than Khan and Hansi Kursch of Blind Guardian is the one that's on level with Khan. |
Inveigh
06.02.10 | will Fieldy be on your bassist list? |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | As a joke..... maybe |
Emim
06.02.10 | Yeah, having the Ozzmeister on here is just degrading to Dio's memory. |
BeardedIdiot
06.02.10 | for power metal look no further than Blind Guardian. I believe Hansi Kursch was mentioned, great vocalist, that guy. Also, Lost Horizon is another good power metal band with great vocalist.
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zombiepirate57
06.02.10 | Power metal seems pretty polarizing to me. If you have already given the genre a shot the best rec I can give you is Manticora because they are considerably darker and come off as less pretentious to me. |
Poet
06.02.10 | The only 3 bands you really need for the genre are Lost Horizon, Blind Guardian, and Kamelot. 2nd and 3rd Nightwish albums are great too |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | I think I finished my favorites list |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Your list is good, Muzik, but nowhere near as wintastic as mine. |
theacademy
06.02.10 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3BsnHDjLig
bruce dickinson lololol |
Disconnected
06.02.10 | Guns N' Roses isn't metal. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | I really hope that was a joke |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | Yeah, I'd classify them as Hard Rock, myself. Though I can understand the argument for it being metal, I just don't agree. |
Zizzer
06.02.10 | Friden is excellent and gets a lot of undeserved criticism so good job including him. |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | Thank you sir, I've been waiting for someone to agree with me on that |
Xplisit
06.02.10 | 18, really? |
theacademy
06.02.10 | just take out dickinson and input anselmo and list is awesome |
FeralMemories
06.02.10 | I'd say AiC have some metal songs, but they are certainly a grunge band, not a metal band. |
Apollo
06.02.10 | LOL now someone agrees with me |
BeardedIdiot
06.02.10 | Too little, too late :D
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buckfutter
06.02.10 | hXcPLISIT- The only reason is that I needed some metalcore on this list, and I do believe Lambesis is a beast on vocals. |
Maniac!
06.02.10 | bump |
buckfutter
06.02.10 | My list is better than yours
My list is better than yours |
btors
06.03.10 | "I'd rather slit my throat than see M. Shadows on this list"
I second that. I would have put Tommy Rogers on this list as well, but it's not my list. |
Dryden
06.03.10 | k so insted of nameing all these which suck..
14, 9, 6, 5, 4, 1 i agree with |
qwe3
06.03.10 | best metal vocalist and prob best vocalist alive today is devin townsend |
KILL
06.03.10 | yep |
Gmork89
06.03.10 | I agree 100%. |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | I dunno, Hevy Devy is amazing, but I love Mike Patton, Burton C Fucking Bell, and Chino a lot more than him. I'm weird like that |
Gmork89
06.03.10 | Can't go wrong with those guys either. |
NeutralThunder12
06.03.10 | mostly bad list |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | ^You figured they would have put you in a special school by now |
NeutralThunder12
06.03.10 | 18 is one of the worst vocalists in metalcore. |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | ^ You wouldn't know good metalcore if it slapped in the face |
KILL
06.03.10 | burton can hardly sing the songs live |
BeardedIdiot
06.03.10 | Burton can sing just fine |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | Kill- Unfortunately, I wouldn't know that. Fear Factory was pretty much dead to me for about 12 years, so I never went to see them. They are on my list though. Seriously, Burton sucks live? Damn |
KILL
06.03.10 | he doesnt suck, the growls sound just like the record but his cleans are always bad live just watch some vids on youtube |
BeardedIdiot
06.03.10 | I saw FF back in april, as far as I can remember, Burton was ok |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | I was supposed to see them back in April in South Florida, but some shit came up and I missed it. Sad, sad day in the world of the 'Pit. |
BeardedIdiot
06.03.10 | I actually saw them as the opening act for Metallica, but after their set, I was like "Metallica who?" |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | Ya, a friend of mine said they put a lot of bands they open for to shame. |
OvTheFireAndVoid
06.03.10 | Chuck Schuldiner was great but nowhere near the best. Sorry. |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | Apparently you haven't heard the cover of "Painkiller," have you? |
BeardedIdiot
06.03.10 | It's not that Metallica were bad or anything... Let's put it that way: before that show, I've heard a couple of Fear factory songs. After it, I exited the arena with my brand new "Mechanize" T-shirt |
OvTheFireAndVoid
06.03.10 | @BuckFutter: Yes, I have to be honest. One song doesn't make a great vocalist, though.
There's better vocalists. |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | Except that "Painkiller" showed the man had more range than what everyone thought. He went above and beyond, and in his case, adding that to his already extensive catalog showed that he could do anything, and therefore, deserves the number 1 spot on my list. |
OvTheFireAndVoid
06.03.10 | True, but his voice wasn't going to hold up much longer.
And that's kinda obvious.
However, yes, he is a good vocalist and I respect your opinion, but he's not the best out there. |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | It doesn't matter if his voice wasn't going to hold out. That point really doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on how good he truly was. |
OvTheFireAndVoid
06.03.10 | Yes, it does. Longevity has a lot to show about a vocalist. Vocalists use technique, and if they don't do it right, their voices don't hold out as well.
Not saying Chuck didn't know how to sing, he sure as hell did, but doing technique right as a vocalist shows as much skill as doing technique on guitar.
Make of that what you will, but I ain't going to change your opinion. |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | No, lol, you aren't. I'm just enjoying this nice civilized debate we're having. |
buckfutter
06.03.10 | And you gotta remember, everyone's voice, whether you have proper technique or not, fades at some point of their life. |
OvTheFireAndVoid
06.03.10 | That's true, everyone's voice does fade eventually. But, proper technique helps longevity greatly.
Either way, he was great and will forever be missed. R.I.P.
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