DoubtGin
06.01.10 | did you just ask one person for each genre ? because I wouldnt call it essential based on that.
nevertheless, the album presented here are indeed great and the people you asked seem to know a thing or two about their respective genres. |
TheSpirit
06.01.10 | Fugazi* |
Poet
06.01.10 | Lack of asking about Power Metal is fail |
Thor
06.01.10 | the death metal section is good but mostly not essential |
AnotherBrick
06.01.10 | poet this isnt done. going to do more genres when more people reply to me. and i guess all of these aren't essentials but they are a good starting place |
Thor
06.01.10 | death metal section needs more Death, Atheist, None So Vile, etc |
AnotherBrick
06.01.10 | feel free to add to this list, most of my lists are asking for recs so feel free to throw on as many albums as you want |
therayder
06.01.10 | Needs moar Radiohead
(good list, by the way) |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | for death metal teh Gorguts album should be anything BUT that one :/ dryden has let everyone down |
AnotherBrick
06.01.10 | ha well i asked chan to do the alt rock genre but he hasnt responded yet, so radiohead may be on the next list |
BigHans
06.01.10 | I'll do hair metal or hard rock. |
ThyCrossAwaits
06.01.10 | prog metal lacks Cynic sir |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | like Thor said its all good but most of it isn't really essential. I would do:
Immolation - Close To A World Below
Incantation - Diabolical Conquest/Onward To Golgotha
Death - Human
Dismember - Like An Ever Flowing Stream
Gorguts - Obscura
Cryptopsy - None So Vile
Autopsy - Mental Funeral/Severed Survival
Pestilence - Consuming Impulse
Massacre - From Beyond
Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness/Covenant |
luci
06.01.10 | I could do post-rock. It's fairly easy to pick 10 essentials from that genre. |
MUNGOLOID
06.01.10 | Deviant knows his Hip Hop. |
AnotherBrick
06.01.10 | this will be the next list... (only like 1 of them have responded so far)
Post-Rock (Prophet)
Post-Metal (Relinquished)
Prog Rock (Me)
Black Metal (Balls)
Thrash (KILL)
Metalcore (witchxrapist)
Industrial (Willie/Meatplow)
Electronica (Chambered/Deviant)
Ambient (Meatplow)
Alternative (Chan)
Hair Metal/hard Rock (Hans)
if anyone wants any other genres or feels like the person I chose is dumb, then feel free to give me suggestions |
Jethro42
06.01.10 | Interesting list.
You guys have to keep in mind it's not easy to pick only ten for each genre. |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | ^ no offense to him, but imma pretty sure Bulldog and/or Illmitch are the most informed in that area |
fr33convict
06.01.10 | The lack of Tool's Aenima is saddening. |
porch
06.01.10 | the post-hardcore section is lacking |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | oops that was meant to be at MUNGOLOID |
AnotherBrick
06.01.10 | "^ no offense to him, but imma pretty sure Bulldog and/or Illmitch are the most informed in that area"
Deviant said his were more old-school hip-hop. Bulldog is coming up with a list of more modern rap |
Inveigh
06.01.10 | Deviant's my boy and the list is pretty good (also, he was probably a little constrained by limiting a genre like hip hop into 10 records where metal gets a bunch of sub genres) but I'd like to see at least a couple albums from the past 16 years in an essential hip hop list.
Lemme do underground hip hop or indie rap (call it what you want) |
ThyCrossAwaits
06.01.10 | Balls would be more suited to Viking metal methinks |
Lambda
06.01.10 | I'll do avant-garde/experimental if you want AnotherBrick |
AnotherBrick
06.01.10 | feel free to add to it porchular |
FreePizzaDay
06.01.10 | I could do hardcore if you trust my credentials. I know the genre better than my ratings indicate. |
Emim
06.01.10 | Just take Rasputin and Fade's recs for Black and Death Metal and you'll be golden. |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | haha thanks for the endorsement, but I'm not kvlt enought to do black metal. well, it depends whether you want a 'unique' listing or just the ten albums which make up practically every black metal list ever created lol |
Poet
06.01.10 | Power Metal=me doing it. |
Emim
06.01.10 | "haha thanks for the endorsement, but I'm not kvlt enought to do black metal. well, it depends whether you want a 'unique' listing or just the ten albums which make up practically every black metal list ever created lol"
That's why I included Rasp as well. TheSpirit would be a good contrib to this as well.
I also humbly submit myself to do Nu-Metal. |
Yotimi
06.01.10 | Pretty good representation for each genre. Except you should've asked me on pop/punk. ...Is a Real Boy & Dookie are the only "essentials" here. |
AnotherBrick
06.01.10 | ya i know a lot of people have done death metal lists like this before but rasputin listed like 40000 bands, so thought trying to bring it down to 10 would be a better start. |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | Kount and Rasputin would be the guys to got to for black metal, although getting hold of them would be slightly difficult....
also rasputin would do doom metal obviously |
Emim
06.01.10 | I'd just go with Spirit then for BM |
porch
06.01.10 | I read FTB's comment as Knott and Rasputin would be the guys to got to for black metal
i was like wtf
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FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | you could always just drop them a shout-box message, they usually come on every couple of days ago. usually when someone says something stupid about a kvlt band... |
TheSpirit
06.01.10 | I'd be happy to do black metal as long as i could still put in genre meshing albums like Bergatt or something from Agalloch |
Emim
06.01.10 | omg Bathory is the stupidest frickin band I have ever heard. Screamo bands like Atreyu and MCR put them to shame with any song.
I THUS SUMMON RASPUTIN! |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | haha TheSpirit you have to put FOAD on the list! |
TheSpirit
06.01.10 | FOAD is the best Darkthrone album, AND I AM NOT LYING.
... |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | as a black metal statement it is as black as the blackest man |
theacademy
06.01.10 | i do believe deviant did a great job
also awesome idea and good job compiling brick (only thing is it's spelled 'Millencolin'...)
please consider someone else to do the essential metalcore part tho... i dont know who witchxrapist is... |
jesusjuice1179
06.01.10 | the last 4 for the post-hardcore selection are not nearly on the same level as the stuff before it, needs moar frodus |
alachlahol
06.01.10 | and why is tera melos on a post-hardcore essentials list when it's primarily math rock?
this whole list seems kind of half-baked. i mean 3 sub-genres of prog? are you serious? |
Emim
06.01.10 | Needs Beloved in the post-hardcore section. |
theacademy
06.01.10 | i kno srsly there should be at least 7... |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | Some of these sections are solid, but there are a lot better pop punk records than those listed here. Americana is a shit album (pretty fly for a white guy? c'mon) and Fall Out Boy did a lot better stuff than 93.
Northstar -Pollyanna
The Get Up Kids - Something to Write Home About
Nofx - Punk in Drublic
Paramore - Riot! |
SeaAnemone
06.01.10 | like I said before-- cool idea. but a few sections here are really lacking... (post-hardcore and pop-punk particularly, nothing against those users of course) I'd suggest enlisting Yotimi for pop-punk and maybe Prophet for post-hardcore (I think) |
Inveigh
06.01.10 | ^gotta agree with BrokenJewel here. If they were going with Offspring or Fall Out Boy records, should've been Smash/Ixnay and Take This To Your Grave. |
alachlahol
06.01.10 | looks like we'll need 10 essentials each from grind, crust, powerviolence, classic punk, post-punk, ska, and melodic hardcore just to finish rounding out the punk genre |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | I know you don't know me but I'd do a better job than witchrapist on metalcore - simply because I've been listening to it since it began over a decade ago and I know more than just what's popular today. |
SeaAnemone
06.01.10 | Park - It Won't Snow Where You're Going
Northstar - Pollyanna
The Get Up Kids - Something To Write Home About
The Gaslight Anthem - Sink or Swim (if this counts)
something by Brand New
I'm sorry but the pop-punk albums listed really pale in comparison to those, as Brokenjewel already mentioned some too |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | no mappy would do the best for metalcore |
Emim
06.01.10 | "I know you don't know me but I'd do a better job than witchrapist on metalcore - simply because I've been listening to it since it began over a decade ago and I know more than just what's popular today."
You obviously do not know Mappy. |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | i kno what an arrogant biiiiitch |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | I'd definately let someone else have a crack at pop punk. This whole idea is good, but that section is far too weak. There are a hundred better bands than Sum 41 in the genre. |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | Get fucked FadeToBlack. I'm not arrogant in the slightest, I've just listened to, seen, read about, interviewed and talked to bands in the genre from all over the world for nearly fifteen years. |
Inveigh
06.01.10 | witchxrapist is pretty good with metalcore, but so is ConsiderPhlebas/BrokenJewel. they'd probably come up with almost identical lists actually |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | haha i don't give a shit whoever you are, everyone trusts mappy with metalcore around here, not you |
buckfutter
06.01.10 | I vote that ThePalaceofWisdom does the metalcore list |
jesusjuice1179
06.01.10 | the prog metal section is also seriously lacking, no Cynic, devin townsend, or strapping young lad, yet dream theater kind of invalidates it |
buckfutter
06.01.10 | And I believe I should do the hardcore list |
SeaAnemone
06.01.10 | guys, you wanna just revise pop-punk now? starting with these:
Park - It Won't Snow Where You're Going
Northstar - Pollyanna
The Get Up Kids - Something To Write Home About
The Gaslight Anthem - Sink or Swim (if this counts)
something by Brand New
Say Anything - ... Is A real Boy
Blink - s/t
Nofx - Punk in Drublic
Saves the Day - Stay What You Are
any1 got edits/additions/problems?
maybe The Early November - The Room's Too Cold?
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ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | But I so wanted you to trust me FadeToBlack.
Get real idiot. I never said witchrapist didn't know about metalcore - I just doubt he'll have been exposed to what was knocking around in central Europe in the nineties, especially as half of it isn't even on this site. |
Yoshizoid
06.01.10 | i actually like theacademy's selections
enema, hello rockview (tho this would go well for ska too), NFG's s/t, pennybridge, is a real boy, dookie... and maybee even chuck are all pretty essential pop-punk
agree on smash being a way better choice than americana. |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | NFG deserve the place. Sum 41 don't though.
Sea's list above is good. Deja is probably Brand New's best pop punk album - don't think their last two are still in that genre. |
Emim
06.01.10 | "Get real idiot. I never said witchrapist didn't know about metalcore - I just doubt he'll have been exposed to what was knocking around in central Europe in the nineties, especially as half of it isn't even on this site. "
This is a list of essentials, not some dick measuring contest with who can come up with the most obscure band. Mappy should still do it, or pit. Pit actually had a really good metalcore list a while back. |
FadeToBlack
06.01.10 | cool story bro |
buckfutter
06.01.10 | That's why I love you, Emim. The voice of reason |
porch
06.01.10 | it doesn't really matter who does it
calm down guys |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | is that an August Burns Red song? |
porch
06.01.10 | If the list title didnt say "essential" then people wouldn't be criticizing this so much |
buckfutter
06.01.10 | I still think Palace should do a metalcore essentials. |
Emim
06.01.10 | "That's why I love you, Emim. The voice of reason"
Why do I always end up mediating conflicts??? |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | @Emim - what does obscurity have to do with it? My original comment was based around a fairly comprehensive knowledge of the genre throughout its history, nothing more. |
Romulus
06.01.10 | How about a bunch of users can submit lists to whichever genre they like? Then you could get a representative list and you wouldn't get all of this fighting. |
Baphomet
06.01.10 | nice list. |
AngelofDeath
06.01.10 | I actually like Brick's picks of personnel. |
theacademy
06.01.10 | LMAO @ 2 Northstar recs... did I not call that shit, Brick? Here's my submission to brick's shoutbox, should clear up some of SeaAnemone's confusion:
theacademy: essentials =/= my favs, but i'd have to say Blink's "Enema..." Offspring's "Americana" Less Than Jake's "Hello Rockview" Fall Out Boy's "From Under..." New Found Glory's s/t, Millencolin's "Pennybridge Pioneers" Say Anything's IARB, NOFX's "So Long and Thanks for All the Shoes" Greenday "Dookie" or "Nimrod" (I don't differentiate), Dillinger Four's "Midwestern Songs Of The Americas" Alk3's "Godddamnit"
theacademy: its a tough genre to do though, because people are idiots. For instance, that list would prompt a lot of negative reactions because either (1) there are better albums from The Offspring and NOFX (but they're not necessarily pop-punk albums) (2) there are less-essential but more widely appreciated albums from blink and fall out boy
(3) Taking Back Sunday's "Tell All Your Friends" is conspicuously absent, as is Brand New's "Your Favorite Weapon." The former is great but not pop-punk really at all. The latter is neither great nor essential. (4) It doesn't have Pollyanna (which is good but certainly not essential) (5) if you were going to include Sum 41, everybody would want "Chuck" which is awesome but more of an alt rock album.. or (6)sputnikers hate green day... people don't really get the 'pop' element of pop-punk...
May 31 07:40 PM • Remove
theacademy: FUCK IT, add Sum 41's "Chuck" that album is great and might fit the bill...
May 31 07:41 PM • Remove |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | Ok Romulus. It's nice to be nice. |
Emim
06.01.10 | "@Emim - what does obscurity have to do with it? My original comment was based around a fairly comprehensive knowledge of the genre throughout its history, nothing more. "
"I just doubt he'll have been exposed to what was knocking around in central Europe in the nineties, especially as half of it isn't even on this site. " |
SeaAnemone
06.01.10 | theacademy: you can not love Northstar all you want, but that still doesn't explain the most glaring absence - The Get Up Kids. The Gaslight Anthem, Park, Deja Entendu, Saves the Day, I can't imagine people discrediting those. |
sniper
06.01.10 | Change the section that's called Emo to Screamo, and then have someone do 10 emo albums that aren't screamo. And def needs a hardcore section. |
theacademy
06.01.10 | GLA = all kinds of awesome, not pop punk... the band is a punk-rock-springsteen fusion with just about zero pop elements
Deja is flat out alternative rock. hate how people confuse this.
I'll admit i don't know the getup kids, but this sorta hot but really dumb girl from my high school was way into them
I can't imagine Saves the Day or Park knocking anybody off the list of bands i submitted, nor could i imagine them being included over the other two bands I submitted, NOFX or Alk3... again, good stuff, not essential. |
TheSpirit
06.01.10 | I'd definately let someone else have a crack at pop punk. This whole idea is good, but that section is far too weak. There are a hundred better bands than Sum 41 in the genre.
What the eff, Sum 41 rule so hard. And "Chuck" fucking owns. So props to that choice. |
SeaAnemone
06.01.10 | those are pretty fair points theacademy, I think it really comes down to a matter of personal preference, as it seems like there's two distinct types of pop-punk maybe?
But PLEASE! listen to The Get Up Kids... they're basically THE quintessential pop-punk I think |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | Because I think one person won't have been exposed to some albums due to age, location and distribution doesn't make them obscure. And that comment you quoted didn't indicate any pride/pleasure/arrogance at my knowledge of those records - I just happened to be around. |
theacademy
06.01.10 | what sputnik doesn't understand is that all the fucking credit and praise that they give to blink's S/T should really go to Chuck. If you want to see goofballs go serious AND ACTUALLY BACK IT UP WITH GOOD MUSIC, "Chuck" is your album. |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | Sum 41 suck balls. |
theacademy
06.01.10 | "as it seems like there's two distinct types of pop-punk maybe"
i mean, it basically boils down to this: many people equate pop-punk with punk rock, alt rock, and post punk revival. I wasn't trying to do that (although, as I said, Chuck (and to the same extent, "Midwestern Songs...") might bend this rule a bit). Just because Blink and Green Day are easy to play and ridiculously popular doesn't mean they're not essential.... this is what i meant by all that reservation i poured into brick's shoutbox lol... |
Emim
06.01.10 | "Because I think one person won't have been exposed to some albums due to age, location and distribution doesn't make them obscure. And that comment you quoted didn't indicate any pride/pleasure/arrogance at my knowledge of those records - I just happened to be around. "
Assume -
It makes an ass out of you and me. Mappy is pretty much THE resource for metalcore around here. |
theacademy
06.01.10 | lol ConsiderPhlebas u must be new here cool username |
porch
06.01.10 | all of this has inspired me to make a long list of post hardcore albums that will get probably 6-12 comments
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ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | Ok Emim, thank you for the information. I will endeavor to never ever assume.
Do you recognise it academy? |
Emim
06.01.10 | See that you don't, especially like you did. |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | I will so I won't like I did though I didn't |
Emim
06.01.10 | Though you did. |
jesusjuice1179
06.01.10 | i'd comment on that list poopular |
ConsiderPhlebas
06.01.10 | Nope. |
AnotherBrick
06.01.10 | damn i missed a lot, and now i gotta go to work. to whoever was bitching about there being 2 or 3 prog categories, you should read the comments. I plan on doing a couple more of these, but i just posted the ones that people responded with |
SowerKraut
06.01.10 | Classic prog section needs rush. |
Jethro42
06.01.10 | @SowerKraut
Have you noticed that we are limited to ten albums each?
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=280733&listid=30063
Here's my classic prog list. Hope you're gonna get satisfied ;)
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Deviant.
06.02.10 | I think this list turned out great for the most part, and from what I know of the individual genres good albums were chosen for all.
And yeah Inveigh, I went more old school. Plenty of room for some modern recs though |
Dryden
06.02.10 | i was sooooooo drunk when i made my list ahahahahahha |
foreverendeared
06.02.10 | rasputin should probably do black metal |
porch
06.02.10 | the shoegaze section is pretty excellent |
Yotimi
06.02.10 | To join the pop/punk debate: Academy's selections are definitely more popular than Sea's (Blink, Sum41, New Found Glory, Green Day), but the 'essential' albums should be the best, not most popular. Sea's choices are great, and I would add The Room's Too Cold also, good call. Btw, Park is without a doubt one of the top 5 pop/punk bands that will ever exist and make most bands of the genre just seem silly. |
EVedder27
06.02.10 | that Yeti knows his shoegaze |
sightofyourdemons
06.02.10 | this list is amazing. thank you. |
AnotherBrick
06.02.10 | k well since this list generally got a good response, you can expect the next part soon, my shoutbox is full of more |
somberlain
06.02.10 | MAJOR props to Deviant(1769) they guy def knows his hip-hop I couldn't have done it better myself (but maybe! ;) |
theacademy
06.02.10 | "'essential' albums should be the best, not most popular."
gotta disagree here. otherwise this would turn into a list of 'favorites', which sputnik sees all the time.
For the record, i really don't care for "From Under the Cork Tree" or "Dookie." I don't think i have either in my itunes library... but if you knew a kid who devoted his entire existence to pop punk, no fuckin way he would say Park or Northstar was more "essential" than NOFX or Greenday... nooooooo way. |
theacademy
06.02.10 | or fall out boy. or blink. etc... |
liledman
06.02.10 | where the fuck is jazz? pretty sure it is an essential GENRE...
doing a list like this takes balls, but seriously, if you are going to limit genres, why would you include pop-punk, two types of prog and post-hardcore instead of hardcore? |
Deviant.
06.02.10 | What part of "part 1" did you not understand? |
Baphomet
06.02.10 | I think it was the "1". It's a well known fact sputnik users can't count too well. |
JulesWin
06.02.10 | "What part of "part 1" did you not understand?"
lol!
yea I'm assuming that more genres will be represented in later lists |
liledman
06.02.10 | wops didnt see that. my apologies.
just getting into the spirit of these comments to early i guess. |
AnotherBrick
06.02.10 | good thing i didnt put vol. 1. he'd be lost |
JulesWin
06.02.10 | @ AnotherBrick
lol! but... what's a vol.? |
liledman
06.02.10 | you got me, i dont understand "numbers" |
AnotherBrick
06.02.10 | try reading the first 5 comments if numbers throw you off :) |
JulesWin
06.02.10 | it's all in good fun liledman
we all make mistakes |
AnotherBrick
06.02.10 | wait a minute........ |
liledman
06.02.10 | hey man im pretty sure you listed 11 post-hardcore albums, come on... |
AnotherBrick
06.02.10 | i sure hope you arent serious |
liledman
06.02.10 | do i really need to end that comment with *sarcasm*? |
Ire
06.02.10 | yay asobi seksu |
Disconnected
06.02.10 | Most Dream Theater albums > Images and Words |
Mordecai.
06.02.10 | qwe, did you seriously just rec Dream Theater? |
foreverendeared
06.02.10 | dream theater can suck a dick |
Mordecai.
06.02.10 | amen |
tombits
06.02.10 | Yeah feel free to criticise my section, I know there's a bunch of bands that I still haven't discovered. You should know though that besides Frodus I chose to overlook a lot older post-hardcore (Jawbox, Drive Like Jehu, Quicksand, etc) because influential ≠ essential.
And I put the Melos on there because the post-hardcore influence on that record raises it above the rest of their catalogue in my book. There's a distinct change in style from their debut to "A Spoonful of Slurry". |
tombits
06.02.10 | I meant Fugazi*, I didn't choose Frodus either. |
Mordecai.
06.02.10 | your section is pretty solid dude |
Ire
06.02.10 | what is you talkin bout? I thought I rec'd asobi seksu. |
sniper
06.02.10 | I really do think having the emo section changed to screamo and then adding a legit 90's midwestern style emo list would be better.
Like SDRE, Empire Empire, etc. |
sin69
06.02.10 | Pop punk section is done very well.. Blinks Enema is an essential album, as is Americana from the Offspring.. As much you guys hate Dookie it still is an essential album.. My only objection to the list is that it should have All Killer No Filler from Sum 41 which was way more essential than Chuck.. And maybe should have included Homegrown - Kings of Pop.. |
SlightlyEpic
06.02.10 | what sniper said, emo and screamo are different |
sniper
06.02.10 | Regardless of what my pie-chart says. |
theacademy
06.02.10 | "Kings of Pop" was my fuckin shit back in the day love that album good call sin69 |
Yotimi
06.02.10 | Kings of Pop is awesome. |
AnotherBrick
06.02.10 | ya so i suck with genres. did you give me emo or screamo? |
theacademy
06.02.10 | dude i kno lots of comments cuz this is an ill list but id u put "millencolin" the album art will show up and make it even moar ill... |
sublimefan1991
06.02.10 | did the guy who made this list actually even listen to "chuck" by sum 41? it's not pop-punk whatsoever. maybe aknf and underclass hero are, but chuck is alt. rock / borderline metal. |
theacademy
06.02.10 | read the 146 other replies you fucking troglodyte |
SlightlyEpic
06.02.10 | I gave you screamo bro I'm more familiar with it |
AggravatedYeti
06.02.10 | I didnt even see this posted holyfuckingshitcomments. |
AnotherBrick
06.02.10 | haha there ya academy/epic. so i take it sniper should do emo?
sup sublimefan, i miss you |
Flatliner
06.04.10 | i loled at your dp |
