JDubb
10.20.23 | 1 is 1, and 2 is 2! |
pizzamachine
10.20.23 | Nah Ahsoka show owns |
bellovddd
10.20.23 | 2 is 1. that is all that matters
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GhandhiLion
10.20.23 | Where is the holiday special? |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | Ahsoka show was mediocre at best. Don't know why anyone praises it lol
"Where's the Holiday Special?"
Gone. Reduced to atoms |
myri14
10.20.23 | Love your top 3 picks. I personally would rate A New Hope an 8 or 9 but I agree with your take. Revenge of the Sith is definitely the best prequel, I feel like I enjoy it more when I'm into the 3D clone wars show (one of my favorite star wars related things). This list is the first time I've seen a take on the Andor show (I'm out of the loop) so thanks to you I know it's worth checking out after this almost decade long onslaught of unbearably bad SW stuff that I can't stand! I assume there will be people who prefer the new stuff over the prequels but there's stuff I like about them, even the atrocious Attack of the Clones. My relationship with the prequels is kind of like my relationship with Sonic 06, I appreciate it more the less hands on I am with it(?). Appreciate the time you took to write this up! Sincerely an ex Star Wars nutcase |
Trebor.
10.20.23 | Revenge of the Sith is awful, I honestly don't understand how people can dislike 1/2 but like that piece shit, to me they're all the same |
fogza
10.20.23 | No way revenge is the best SW movie, it's not even remotely good. Solo is better. |
MeatSalad
10.20.23 | It's impressive how decent Andor was given how aggressively mid and/or outright bad everything else to come out of modern star wars is |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | “Solo is better”
Opinion rejected. That movie makes RotS look like Citizen Kane in comparison lmao
“It's impressive how decent Andor was given how aggressively mid and/or outright bad everything else to come out of modern star wars is”
It just shows how low the bar has gotten in terms of quality. Mandalorian fooled me into thinking it was great stuff when it came out, but that was because it was released right after Rise of Skywalker. Andor is something entirely different however |
Trebor.
10.20.23 | Andor is so fucking good. I like the first two seasons of Mandalorian |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | Including the part where Mando had to take off his helmet to log in to an imperial computer, despite his face not matching any of the stormtroopers? |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.20.23 | Probably gonna get some heat for this but w/e, the Last Jedi is 2 and Empire is 1 imo.
Haven’t seen any of the shows and honestly I’ll probably watch them aside from Book of Boba Fett. You start out the Solo entry by going “who asked for this?”, the boba fett series is the same. What little I’ve seen looks like complete shit. At least the sequel series looks good. I watched that racer scene and it looked like a fucking daytime childrens show |
myri14
10.20.23 | Revenge is cool and I like the vibe, but I like Empire and A New Hope more. Revenge has pretty bad dialogue and pacing just like the first two prequels but idk, I like a lot about it like the three crazy fights that happen. |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | I thought the pacing in Revenge was far better than 1 and 2, and the dialogue was a lot more tighter than most of the other films, especially the sequels.
The Darth Plagueis monologue, Obi-Wan's one-liners and Dooku's "Twice the pride, double the fall" was really solid stuff.
But yeah A New Hope didn't click with me as much. Was way too simple and whimsical-ly for my taste. But that's just me. But yeah, to address your previous comment, Andor is definitely worth watching. It's a lot more slower paced and isn't super action heavy, but I'd say that works to the show's benefit since the other Star Wars shows were just nonstop action with little time to breathe for the characters to say much. And yeah the dialogue and the performances in Andor were surprisingly phenomenal too |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | "You start out the Solo entry by going “who asked for this?”, the boba fett series is the same."
I dunno about you but I recall a lot of people being hyped for Boba Fett to get his own show, unlike the Solo movie which most people didn't even care for. It's too bad that both failed to deliver.
"I watched that racer scene and it looked like a fucking daytime childrens show"
Lmao are you referring to that scene with the Cyberpunk 2077 kids who were riding scooters across Mos Eisley? Yeah that scene was absolutely hilarious |
neekafat
10.20.23 | how could you get 1 so right and 16 so wrong |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.20.23 | Yeah that’s exactly what I’m talking about
It looked so terrible lmfao |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | Because 16 is awful beyond reason |
Faraudo
10.20.23 | As soon as I saw TLJ at last place I knew this was a normie list, L |
unclereich
10.20.23 | not too shabby, the new trilogy is an abomination |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | [2] |
unclereich
10.20.23 | 1 is 1 no debate |
fogza
10.20.23 | Revenge of the Sith is laughably bad, the scene in which Anakin saves / swears fealty to Palpatine is just crazy awful. Hayden Christensen is one of the worst things to happen to star wars. |
unclereich
10.20.23 | have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise? |
someone
10.20.23 | i've made the mistake of watching the Mandalorian after Andor, which made the damn thing near-unwatchable.
Andor is perhaps the best (the only?) great thing to come out of the Disney revival. and in comparison, Mandalorian is an annoyingly childish, silly mess with some of the most pretentious dialogue that sounds like what a beginning fanfic author might deem "epic" dialogue, all catchphrases and bloated mythological drivel.
Andor is a must-see tho. even if you're not a SW fan, you might enjoy it. |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | The tonal whiplash after finishing Andor and watching Mando Season 3 afterwards was not something I was expecting. Talk about leaving that one tiny island of paradise and jumping straight into the vast ocean of piss |
unclereich
10.20.23 | never finished season 2 |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | It’s not worth it. The show just gets worse |
someone
10.20.23 | i'll say this much about Mando, it's dumb fun. it really is trying to be more than that, but fails miserably. but at the very base-level least, it's still dumb fun. just turn your brain off |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | I feel like that’s all that Favreau and Filoni are capable of making now |
Tundra
10.20.23 | PT and OT still the best, plus clone wars |
someone
10.20.23 | a great idea i saw online a while ago is that Disney are wasting the IP hard. not because they are doing shit stuff with it, but because they are trying to basically make the same booming spectacle over and over. so the idea was to just experiment with it. you got a religion of fans willing to eat up whatever you make, why not make as much variety of it as possible:
Noir grizzled detective procedural in SW universe? why not
Whacky rom-com? Go ahead.
Give weird-ass artsy directors a full go-ahead? Go nuts. Wes Anderson's SW would be wild. Spike Lee taking on SW to explore some random planet's social issues under Empire's rule. A fake docuseries about the history of the universe before the Empire. A fucktonne of other crazy stuff.
But instead they just keep making the same oversweet candy. |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | Scrap 90% of all the crap from Disney, and the franchise is still in good shape |
Tundra
10.20.23 | All they have to do is make a game of thrones type show that's set in the old republic era, seriously |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | I’d love a movie or show that delves into the era of the old Sith Empire, especially on Korriban |
someone
10.20.23 | any of you playing the video games, are those any good?
i've heard good things about the new one, but i can't figure out which one that is, they're all titled the fucking same |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | Jedi Fallen Order was good, Survivor I haven’t played yet but I’ve heard it was decent for the most part.
I still think KOTOR, the OG Battlefront 1 and 2, and The Force Unleashed are the best as far as games go |
Gameofmetal
10.20.23 | Garbage ranking, TLJ is messy as hell but not derivative regurgitated trash like half the live action movies are. At least it had ideas and tried to advance the franchise. The Rise of Skywalker is so actively offensive it's unreal, the most conceptually cowardly fucking dogshit. Andor is probably the best tbh, only one with serious writing. |
EoinCofa
10.20.23 | Prisoner of Azkaban is 1 |
TalonsOfFire
10.20.23 | A ranking without the OT at the top and the prequels and TRoS at the bottom is automatically incorrect. TLJ is very flawed but still a good movie with a lot of strengths too. 2002-2008 was a real golden age for SW games, my favs are easily KotOR at #1, and a series about that time period could be great as Tundra said, and then KotOR 2, Jedi Academy, OG BattleFront II, Jedi Outcast, OG BF 1, Republic Commando, and Force Unleashed. Granted I played these 12-20 years ago so they might be aged by now haha |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.20.23 | and Jedi Survivor is awesome. It got patched so it doesn’t run like complete ass now |
MeatSalad
10.20.23 | Kotor 2 w/ ultimate cut content mod or w/e it's called now is the goat |
bananatossing
10.20.23 | ESB is always number one, followed by New Hope. ROTJ and ROTS have their fair share of strengths and issues. And yes, TLJ is a flaming pile of shit and it goes way beyond the treatment of Luke Skywalker, but there has been countless videos and articles explaining why. But who cares at this point? It's pretty incredible how they butchered this franchise, and the ratings for all these new shows pretty much prove how little fanbase remains for something that used to be so huge.
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Gavierra
10.20.23 | Seeing all the whiny TLJ fans trying to defend their garbage movie with strengths that don’t exist is always fun to witness. The more I think about that movie, the worse it gets.
That part where Finn and Rose fuck around on Canto Bight to free the weird alien horses made me realize that they haven’t achieved anything, and in fact have made the slave kids’ lives even harder because the horses will get captured again and the kids will be disciplined and forced to clean up the mess they made. In fact, they could’ve freed the kids and taken them to a new republic orphanage, but no. That would be too smart for the movie to handle.
Did I mention that TLJ deserves its place at the bottom? |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.20.23 | you say that like every Star Wars movie doesn’t have dumb shit in it.
coincidentally that’s also the part of the movie that people don’t defend at all. I like the movie and that’s clearly the worst part |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.20.23 | To me it’s laughable that anyone would say attack of the clones or rise of Skywalker are better
Those movies are steaming piles of dogshit |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | Attack of the clones is leagues better than the sequel trilogy combined, and there’s plenty of reasons why. I would add more but there’s only so much text I’m allowed to submit for each of these lol. The Last Jedi completely destroys all the characters from prior movies, the tone is whack, the humor sucks ass and the overall plot is broken beyond repair. AOTC doesn’t even come close to that level of awfulness |
Faraudo
10.20.23 | The tiresome narrative of TLJ "destroying" Star Wars and its characters is incredibly short-sighted and naive, but not shocking. |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.20.23 | ^^yep
also the same people will bitch about TFA being too derivative or whatever, then complain about TLJ. Isn’t this what you people wanted?
I love Luke’s arc in TLJ. You know how fuckin boring that movie would be if Luke had zero conflict with coming back? He disappeared for a reason. He’s one of the few things the sequels nailed. |
unclereich
10.20.23 | korriban[2] |
unclereich
10.20.23 | Gavierra is the best new user |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | Luke going from someone who saw good in the second most evil person in the galaxy, going as far as to sacrifice himself for that person even, to suddenly wanting to kill his own nephew because of a bad dream is hardly something worth praising at all. There are millions of ways you can write Luke in the movies without destroying his character and turning him into a grumpy miserable hermit who abandoned his family and friends for no reason at all |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | Gavierra is the best new user[2]
Based opinion |
Spec
10.20.23 | Revenge of the Sith is a terrible movie iirc. |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | Not even close lol |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.20.23 | Luke says that he only thought about it for a second, and that it was clearly a mistake.
It’s kinda clumsy but it makes sense.
And yeah list is null and fuckin void for having Revenge of the Sith at number 1 lmfao |
TalonsOfFire
10.20.23 | I don't know about nailed but yes having Luke being disillusioned was an interesting idea and Hamill gave a great performance. The most interesting was Rey and Kylo Ren possibly teaming up to start a new society or whatever, I remember being so riveted at that part when I first watched, but they kinda squandered it. Almost all the attempts at humor fell flat and the casino section was pretty bad, but I liked a lot of the rest and it's still much better than the ill-advised prequels. |
Spec
10.20.23 | aNaKiN yOuRe BrEaKiNg My HeArT |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | The fact that he even thought about it in the first place doesn’t make it any better lol. I guess me wanting to kill my own family member is perfectly fine since I only thought about it then. Also Revenge of the Sith deserves its place at number one. The fact that anyone would think it’s worse than TLJ without any reasoning shows that the human race is fucked |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | But yeah, prequels will always be better than the sequels and that’s an objective fact |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | “That’s how we’re gonna win this. Not by fighting what we hate, but by saving what we love”
>rebel base gets blown apart during forced kiss scene
Yikes, at that point I’d take “I don’t like sand” any day over that train-crash of a scene lmao |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.20.23 | yeah dude you just have really fuckin horrible takes |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | Says the guy who thinks TLJ should be at 2 lol |
Hendoi
10.20.23 | Anyone know someone who can rip me a sprite sheet of Yarael Proof from Lego Star Wars for a flash animation project I have in development? |
fogza
10.20.23 | Personally, I think the prequels and the new trilogy are about as bad as each other. Maybe the new trilogy is a touch worse. I can't understand a list that doesn't basically put the original trilogy in any order as the top 3, then Andor, the Mandalorian, Solo and finally Rogue One. The rest is pretty much varying shades of irrelevant |
iHaveSex
10.20.23 | Star Trek is better. |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.20.23 | username can’t be accurate |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | He didn’t specify who or what he has sex with, so I believe it |
Tundra
10.20.23 | Sequel trilogy was an uninspired cash grab nothing more |
iHaveSex
10.20.23 | The ladies think I watch Entourage. |
Gavierra
10.20.23 | I guess “who” is out of the question then |
Gavierra
10.26.23 | Power Converters: A Star Wars Story |
fogza
10.26.23 | Gavierra where do caravan of courage and battle for endor sit on your rankings |
unclereich
10.26.23 | revan and malak goat tier eu characters agreed |
Gavierra
10.26.23 | I’d put both specials between BoBF and Kenobi |
pizzamachine
10.26.23 | Kenobi was so trash it acts like A New Hope never happened. Fuck that show, it’s poor day time television at best. The only good part was Anakin vs Obi Wan |
Gavierra
10.26.23 | Agreed. That show got worse for me upon rewatching it, though you could tell that Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor were doing the best they could in that drivel |
frozencarl
10.26.23 | neat list! Andor/Rogue One take the number 1/2 spots for me
Ahsoka is held back by the first 3 or so episodes, takes forever to get the ball rolling. I ended up really liking the show, especially cuz of Baylan. his ambitions and overall aesthetic/fighting styles remind me of Count Dooku (one of the best SW chars despite being criminally underutilized). I also just really like the intrigue and mystery of traveling/being stranded between two different galaxies. I thought Thrawn was pretty cool too. |
anarchistfish
10.26.23 | I was with you on every word til you put Kenobi and everything up to 8 below the prequel trilogy |
anarchistfish
10.26.23 | Mandalorian below AotC is worse than RotS no1 but still |
SomeCallMeTim
10.26.23 | revenge of the sith was absolute shit |
bananatossing
10.26.23 | The prequels have a butt load of issues for sure, ROTS is just the better one. But regardless of what you think of those movies, the fact is they didn't destroy the franchise the way the sequel trilogy did.
They are already considering a reboot because they know the only way to bring this franchise back from the dead is to decanonize the sequel trilogy, and they will NEVER do that.
I almost want them to reboot the whole thing as they are considering just to see them fail once again in the most humilliating way possible. |
SomeCallMeTim
10.26.23 | " the fact is they didn't destroy the franchise the way the sequel trilogy did."
agreeeeeeeeeeeeed, those movies are extra extra trash. force awakens is fun and iight but not a good story, whichever one came after that was so horrible I refuse to watch the last one |
Gavierra
10.26.23 | “I was with you on every word til you put Kenobi and everything up to 8 below the prequel trilogy”
No fucking way you think Kenobi is better. That show is absolute ass-cancer lmao |
Emim
10.26.23 | ROTS at 1 lmao |
DocSportello
10.26.23 | https://youtu.be/JnmeTyU1rA0?si=gtCrm6kdRzUZfx83 |
Sinternet
10.26.23 | is this a troll list or is this guy genuinely brain damaged |
Gavierra
10.26.23 | Lol someone’s butthurt that I didn’t put Rise of Skywalker at the top |
pizzamachine
10.26.23 | Opinions come opinions go some are fast some are slow |
Gavierra
10.26.23 | At least now I know who not to take seriously whenever they say literally anything on here |
Tundra
10.26.23 | Phantom Menace is the most underrated film, there's really nothing bad about that movie, people fixate way too much on Jar Jar, he's just a goofy guy, leave him be, doesn't ruin the movie at all |
pizzamachine
10.26.23 | Very very trve |
budgie
10.26.23 | whjy the fuck would you watch star wars when you could watch something cool like conan the barbarian. seriously guys get it together |
pizzamachine
10.26.23 | Does conan have lightsabers |
Gavierra
10.26.23 | It has half-naked buff guys in pelt-skins, which is good enough
“People fixate way too much on Jar Jar, he’s just a goofy guy”
I think the reason why many people have an issue with him is because he takes up a lot of screen-time when he’s only bearable in small doses as a comic relief character. I still think he should’ve been replaced with Obi-Wan during the Tattooine parts, but I feel like Lucas made that decision to keep the younger audiences entertained since the movie does drag a bit there.
Nevertheless, at least Jar Jar actually does go on an arc of sorts by changing from a bumbling outcast to a war general to a senator. Which is more than I can say for Rey, Rose or any of the new sequel characters |
fogza
10.27.23 | Thought about this a bit, this would be my ranking. Kind of hard ranking the bottom half as how does one separate the awfulness of the last 3
1 RETURN OF THE JEDI 10/10
2 THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK 10/10
3 A NEW HOPE 9/10
4 ANDOR 8.5/10
5 THE MANDALORIAN 8/10
6 SOLO 7/10
7 ROGUE ONE 6/10
8 THE PHANTOM MENACE 6/10
9 THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT 6/10
10 BATTLE FOR ENDOR 5/10
11 CARAVAN OF COURAGE 5/10
12 REVENGE OF THE SITH 4/10
13 THE FORCE AWAKENS 3/10
14 OBI WAN KENOBI 2/10
15 AHSOKA 2/10
16 THE RISE OF SKYWALKER 1/10
17 THE LAST JEDI 1/10
18 ATTACK OF THE CLONES 1/10
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Gavierra
10.27.23 | Very easy to separate AOTC from the other two. That movie doesn’t sink anywhere as low as 90% of the Disney crap |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | Also just watched Solo again and I’m tempted to rank it lower. That one ended up being worse than I imagined |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | "No fucking way you think Kenobi is better. That show is absolute ass-cancer lmao"
No way you think I and II aren't steaming piles of dog turd |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | "Phantom Menace is the most underrated film, there's really nothing bad about that movie"
Brah
"people fixate way too much on Jar Jar, he's just a goofy guy, leave him be, doesn't ruin the movie at all"
The fact jar jar is one of the better parts of the movie says it all. It's nearly as boring as TLJ
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Gavierra
10.27.23 | There’s a million reasons for why that show is nowhere near half as decent as 1 and 2. For starters they don’t fuck with continuity between 3 and 4, making Vader’s “I was the learner when we last met” interaction with Obi-Wan on the Death Star seem stupid, or Obi-Wan being painted as responsible for the destruction of Alderaan when he chose not to kill Vader at the season finale. Or lightsaber stabs being treated as a mere inconvenience unlike the movies. |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | “The fact jar jar is one of the better parts of the movie says it all. It's nearly as boring as TLJ”
Goldfish attention span I see lmao |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | 1. ANH
2. ESB
3. Mandalorian
4. Clone Wars
5. RotJ
6. RotS
7. Ahsoka
8. Rebels
9. TFA
10. Solo
11. Rogue One
12. Kenobi
13. Boba Fett, I, II, VIII and IX, distinct ranking depends on my mood
Haven't seen Andor yet |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | "Goldfish attention span I see lmao"
Hey if U wanna watch the cinematic equivalent of sand dune drift be my guest |
markjamie
10.27.23 | 2 is 1
5 is 2
16 is 3 |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | “Hey if U wanna watch the cinematic equivalent of sand dune drift be my guest”
Because the Darth Maul fight is totally on par with sand lol. Then again you did put Mandalorian at 3, which explains a lot |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | I am genuinely impressed with anyone that puts The Last Jedi top 3 |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | Rian Johnson fanboys who probably have Knives Out in their top 5 movies of all time lists |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | And even that one was a 4/10 at best |
fogza
10.27.23 | "Also just watched Solo again and I’m tempted to rank it lower. That one ended up being worse than I imagined"
That's ok at least you didn't rate a prequel as the best live action star wars movie... oh wait |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | Mandalorian is the best entry to the series for newcomers bar the original two films. First two seasons at least |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | "Because the Darth Maul fight is totally on par with sand lol."
Basically the only thing that doesn't make it objectively the worst and dullest star wars media ever made |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | “That's ok at least you didn't rate a prequel as the best live action star wars movie... oh wait”
And? Still miles better than Solo regardless
“Basically the only thing that doesn't make it objectively the worst and dullest star wars media ever made”
Don’t worry, we have Mandalorian, Ashoka, BoBF, Kenobi and the entire sequel trilogy that are objectively worse in every way imaginable, which we all know you can’t justify no matter what |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | U need imagination to enjoy I and II. Imagination and a boatload of cocaine |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | Nah, u just need a brain |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | Clearly I'm too dumb for such arcs as "waiting in the desert for something to happen" and "stormtroopers are all just clones of Boba fetts dad" |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | All directed and acted as if from Pyongyang drama school |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | “Clearly I'm too dumb”
No need to remind me. Also stormtroopers =/= clones. Stormtroopers are regular people who were recruited, trained and indoctrinated by the empire. The clones being from Boba Fett’s dad is infinitely better than him existing as the overhyped Uber driver in the OT who died in the most embarrassing way in RotJ. |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | And even that is far better than Mando hacking into an imperial computer with a face scanner that recognizes his face despite it not being in the databanks. Man the Empire really got shittier in that show if literally anyone can simply log in to their security lmao |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | See the minute you start trying to explain AotC U lose. Filoni had to fill in the many gaps in Clone Wars and it still barely made sense
It's ok to like mediocre kids films just don't pretend it makes you smart lmaooo |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | Again you prove with every comment that you’re no smarter than the average doorknob when you try this hard to justify yourself not understanding something as simple as a kids film LOOOOOLLLLL |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.27.23 | 16 is 16 yeah |
fogza
10.27.23 | I don't really care about small details like mando and the face scanner. i always thought the clone army thing made no sense. like some dead guy ordered an army and they learn a sith lord is running the senate, but they're like "ok we'll just keep using this mysterious army, no more compliance checks" |
StormChaser
10.27.23 | What's interesting to me is how people actually like TFA and Rise of Skywalker when those movies literally brought absolutely nothing new or interesting to the table and then routinely put TLJ in last place (while obviously being a superior movie in every way to the aformentioned 2). Plus Rise of Skywalker is genuinely one of the worst movies ever made, franchise or otherwise. Guess "Rian Johnson simply hated the franchise's fans" for a reason, though that argument's total bollocks |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | Again you prove yourself a belligerent loser |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | We all know your mother still irons your size XL polo shirts |
fogza
10.27.23 | TLJ does not have a compelling story, none of the emotional moments are earned, and it does almost seem as if the director has scenes which basically say "hey you were expecting this to happen but we're explicitly making it clear that we're going to do the opposite" in an almost childish way. movie has weird pacing, terrible acting, illogical moments, and one of weirdest aggressive alterations to a character's personality and values. it's also boring as fuck. it is true that ROS is shit too though. not too sure what TLJ really brings that's new, i mean it just recycles training from dagobah with an opposite outcome, confrontation with the emperor with an opposite outcome, etc. it's just contrary, not original. also zero cast chemistry and as with the prequels, no fun characters that work ala han solo |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | “like some dead guy ordered an army and they learn a sith lord is running the senate, but they're like "ok we'll just keep using this mysterious army, no more compliance checks" “
Because the Jedi don’t believe Dooku since he’s the leader of the opposing side, and he’s a Sith himself, so of course his claim that a Sith is running the senate would be brushed aside. Most people would interpret his claim as a trick to throw the republic off and to make it crumble from within while the Separatists have an advantage. Also the clone mystery was already sealed when they witnessed it fighting the droid army upon arrival, so there were no more loose threads left open for investigation. Because why the fuck would that army be ploughing through the bad guys and helping your side? The line “I have to admit, without the clones, it would not have been a victory” sums it up well. The face-scanner is still far worse in every single way and it’s integral to the overall plot that keeps the show moving forward.
“We all know your mother still irons your size XL polo shirts”
Do you work at Philips? Because that projection isn’t doing you any favors lol |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | Project my cock on your face |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | Lol AotC apologia |
Gavierra
10.27.23 | Knew it wouldn’t take long for retard-mode to switch on lol |
anarchistfish
10.27.23 | Stroke it bro |
markjamie
10.28.23 | I genuinely love Last Jedi - completely reinvigorated the franchise in my view, and then Rise of Skywalker pandered to fan criticism and wimped out.
Each to their own though (and I know I'm very much close to being on my own with this). |
Casavir
10.28.23 | Objectively correct top two, good job |
StormChaser
10.28.23 | i agree wholeheartedly mark |
Cygnatti
10.28.23 | Episode III being a 9/10 and best star wars media is completely unreal.
That said, Mandalorian is really bad and I'm tired of fans pretending it wasn't a boring slog. Kenobi is awful and Ahsoka is baffling. |
Cygnatti
10.28.23 | Didn't like FTA but it was like okay maybe something can come out of this. TLJ might be one of the worst movies of all time, but I haven't seen TRoS so who knows! |
Koris
10.28.23 | "Hayden Christensen is one of the worst things to happen to star wars."
I think it's more accurate to say that George Lucas was the worst thing to happen to his own franchise at that point, mostly because he was terrible at getting good performances out of the actors in general. Hayden wasn't the only one who suffered from that, just sayin' |
Koris
10.28.23 | The best Lucas-era Star Wars projects came from a combination of Lucas' overarching vision and more capable directors/writers to carry it out |
Gavierra
10.28.23 | Most of the faults from Lucas’ direction stemmed from his unconventional creative decisions which affected the craftsmanship of his movies, but the overall story and the way it ties up the first 6 movies is really damn impressive. Plus almost every movie up to that point was groundbreaking on a technical level.
The sequels not only haven’t broken any new ground both narratively and technically, but the acting and dialogue is mostly worse too. “Somehow Palpatine returned” should go in the Hall of Fame for one of the worst lines in cinema |
fogza
10.28.23 | "Knew it wouldn’t take long for retard-mode to switch on"
C'mon don't be an asshole |
fogza
10.28.23 | "so there were no more loose threads left open for investigation"
Hard disagree, I would still have been suspicious as fuck |
fogza
10.28.23 | "That said, Mandalorian is really bad and I'm tired of fans pretending it wasn't a boring slog"
Mandalorian is great, awesome little space western with heart. |
fogza
10.28.23 | "mostly because he was terrible at getting good performances out of the actors in general"
Probably true as well, but someone like McGregor performed excellently even if the direction sucked. I think some of it has to come down to Christensen's lack of presence and ability to make the role his own. I mean the acting in the OT isn't great but the cast make up for it by just having fun with it |
Gavierra
10.28.23 | “Hard disagree, I would still have been suspicious as fuck”
That’s on you then, since you’re viewing it from the meta instead of from the Jedi’s pov.
“That said, Mandalorian is really bad and I'm tired of fans pretending it wasn't a boring slog”
Me too, only I didn’t find it boring. It was just a terribly written action schlockfest and the characters were incredibly one-note, especially Din Djarin who never really grew as a person as well as the Mandalorian cult he was a part of being really shitty. And the constant key-jangling that was thrown in lazily for no reason other than to keep fanboys entertained
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CaliggyJack
10.28.23 | Phantom Menace is 1 |
fogza
10.28.23 | "That’s on you then, since you’re viewing it from the meta instead of from the Jedi’s pov."
The Jedi don't trust Palpatine which makes the viewer think they must at least be considering the possibility that there's a problem in the Republic. Justify it all you like but the whole mysterious clone army thing never sat right with me, it would have made more sense if the Republic openly commissioned the army and palpatine corrupted the process, easy fix to the story to make it flow better |
fogza
10.28.23 | "Din Djarin who never really grew as a person"
I love the fact that the scene you hate so much is all about growth as a person lmao |
Koris
10.28.23 | "I think some of it has to come down to Christensen's lack of presence and ability to make the role his own."
What I was getting at is that Christensen wasn't EXCLUSIVELY the reason for the prequel trilogy's failures. Hell, he's actually really good in a lot of the other movies he's been in, especially Shattered Glass. But with the exception of a few actors like Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid, most of the trilogy's actors were extremely stiff and unnatural under Lucas' direction. Most of the American actors, notably |
fogza
10.28.23 | Well, then I think we essentially agree koris, i mean I think there's lots of elements to the prequels that don't work and Lucas is a big part of that. I just particularly don't like Portman and Christensen in those movies and I feel like they have to sell the weaker aspects hard. But yeah George should have cast better, written better, not relied so much on CGI, balanced out the personalities in the core characters etc |
tcat84
10.28.23 | The prequels have their moments but the dialog gives me cancer. and the amount of boring scenes. Like who the fuck cares about intergalactic politics. "oohh the senate bad!" |
anarchistfish
10.28.23 | Baby's first political thriller |
Gavierra
10.28.23 | “The Jedi don't trust Palpatine which makes the viewer think they must at least be considering the possibility that there's a problem in the Republic”
That literally doesn’t happen until the second act of Episode III when he refuses to give up his emergency powers even after the war is over. Did you not watch the movies? Lmao
“I love the fact that the scene you hate so much is all about growth as a person lmao”
I’m so glad you said that. Now I can take everything you say from now on with pure triviality
“Like who the fuck cares about intergalactic politics”
Dune fans: “aight imma head out” |
fogza
10.28.23 | Happens fairly early in the movie, Obi wan warns Anakin to be wary of Palpatine and the Jedi council appears distrustful of Palpatine's request to appoint Anakin to the council. |
fogza
10.28.23 | Mandalorian is mostly about personal growth, din learns to value something outside of the way, learns the value of not being a loner, also does what he thinks is best for grogu even though it is hard by letting him go with Luke, but also decides that maybe he's what is best for grogu and is willing to put himself out there, learns to work with the Mandalorians who don't follow his creed. Even learns to respect a droid |
StormChaser
10.29.23 | Mando was the best Star Wars that came out since Empire imo, but the last season sucked major balls |
Gavierra
10.29.23 | I have a hard time separating the three. They’re all different variations of mediocre but season 3 just inches the other two out by a few hairs |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.29.23 | Dune is far more compelling and is expertly written. Comparing the prequels to that is punishable by death. |
Gavierra
10.29.23 | Apples and oranges. Wouldn’t expect a TLJ fan to understand anyways |
Brabiz
10.29.23 | Episode 1 is my favorite tbh |
Gavierra
10.29.23 | What do you like about it? |
frozencarl
10.29.23 | podracing :D |
CaliggyJack
10.29.23 | @brabiz ❤️ |
Gavierra
10.30.23 | That scene alone owns the sequels |
Cygnatti
10.30.23 | Crazy how good this list is until you get to #1.
"Dune is far more compelling and is expertly written. Comparing the prequels to that is punishable by death." [2] Dune is really good. |
Tundra
10.30.23 | 1. RotS
2. ANH
3. ESB
4. RotJ
5. Ahsoka
6. TPM
7. AotC
8. Rogue One
9. Solo
10. Mandalorian
11. Kenobi
12. Boba Fetta Cheese
13. TFA
14. TLJ
15. TRoS |
Faraudo
10.30.23 | 1: ESB
2: TLJ
3: RotS
4: ANH
5: Andor
6: RotJ
7: Kenobi
8: Ahsoka
9: Mando
10: TPM
11: Rogue One
12: TFA
13: AotC
14: Solo
15: Boba Fett
16: TRoS |
Brabiz
10.30.23 | The thing I love about The Phantom Menace is that it’s written similarly to a period epic, rather than an adventure movie. I love the political stuff, and the practical and digital effects look really amazing, way more than people give it credit for. Especially for the time. Not to mention the phenomenal, totally unique art direction and costume designs.
Ep 2 and 3 are great, but I think 1 will always be my favorite. |
anarchistfish
10.30.23 | All these lists are better than OP |
neekafat
10.30.23 | 1: ROTS - 10/10
2: ESB - 10/10
3: ANH - 10/10
4: TLJ - 9/10
5: ROTJ - 8/10
6: Solo - 7.5/10
7: AOTC - 7/10
8: TPM - 7/10
9: TFA - 7/10
10: Rogue One - 6.5/10
11: TROS - 4/10
And yeah all the Disney shows suck too |
Gavierra
10.31.23 | Several rankings later and mine is still the best. Feels good man
“And yeah all the Disney shows suck too”
Andor pwns |
markjamie
10.31.23 | Faraudo and Neekafat - your lists are a huge improvement on OP. Sorry Gavierra, but your list is poo. |
Faraudo
10.31.23 | Neeka with the W list |
neekafat
10.31.23 | Wow yeah ours have the same basic gist lol fuck yeah |
Storm In A Teacup
10.31.23 | Rogue One is arguably the best modern day movie. |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.31.23 | Im here to tell you all to stop liking Star Wars |
Wildcardbitchesss
10.31.23 | probably not a bad idea
and here's the real actual ranking not the fake ones that I keep seeing
1. Empire Strikes Back 10/10
2. The Last Jedi 9/10
3. Rogue One 9/10
4. Return of the Jedi 9/10
5. A New Hope 9/10
6. The Force Awakens 8/10
7. Revenge of the Sith 6/10
8. Solo 6/10
9. The Phantom Menace 5/10
10. The Rise of Skywalker 3/10
11. Attack of the Clones 2/10
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Gavierra
11.01.23 | >TLJ a 9/10
Now that’s some top tier trolling right there |
Storm In A Teacup
11.01.23 | There is a Force Awakens/TLJ splice that would be a 9/10. Imagine killing Luke and Han in the same movie. Then do a 2nd and 3rd movie. |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.01.23 | Almost as good a troll as saying Revenge of the Sith is “peak” Star Wars |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.01.23 | "2. The Last Jedi 9/10"
What in the absolute shit is this
TLJ actually is the point where I totally lost interest in this franchise. The acting and special effects, cinematography were all fine I guess but the writing for every single character, every single story decision etc might have actually been the most offensively dogshit, franchise destroying thing I have ever seen in any franchise in my entire life.
It would take me like 20 posts to go through every scene and explain why its awful, I wouldn't even know where to begin.
Negative a thousand out of ten.
Crazy because the Breaking Bad episodes, Looper and the Knives Out movies are all fucking fantastic imo |
Gavierra
11.01.23 | Couldn’t agree more ^^^
TLJ did the impossible by making AOTC and almost every single mid or bad movie that ever came out look like Citizen Kane in comparison. I’m surprised that movie still has fans |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.01.23 | Some people really just can’t appreciate the finer things in life, idk what to tell you |
Faraudo
11.01.23 | "Now that’s some top tier trolling right there"
Alright then. TLJ is a 9.5/10 for me
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markjamie
11.01.23 | TLJ 9/10 on its worst day. Best Star Wars since ESB. |
fogza
11.01.23 | the force awakens was hot garbage but i was still willing to give TLJ a chance. sadly, that movie was the straw that broke the camel's back, i didn't even go to see TROS in the cinema after that (which tbf, at least it allowed me to dodge that bullet).
I think it made me hold off on watching the Mandalorian because I was so disillusioned with star wars. Luckily I did check it out as Mandalorian and Andor were both excellent. |
Faraudo
11.01.23 | "TLJ 9/10 on its worst day. Best Star Wars since ESB."
Glad to find genuine Star Wars connoisseurs.
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Wildcardbitchesss
11.01.23 | [2] were in the elite minority. Think of us as the 1%ers of liking good shit |
Gavierra
11.02.23 | Simple things for simple minds as they always say |
frozencarl
11.02.23 | TLJ is also my favorite of the sequels, I loved how different it was and that scene where Rey and Kylo fight the red guards is just chef's kiss. not a huge fan of what the sequels did to the overall world building and lore but whatever, its Star Wars at the end of the day so not worth losing sleep over |
AlexKzillion
11.02.23 | still need to check andor one day but between mando s3 and the obi wan series i've pretty much lost hope for star wars. shame cause mando started out pretty great |
AlexKzillion
11.02.23 | they badly need to get away from the skywalker saga and start a new era with all new characters |
AlexKzillion
11.02.23 | any ranking that has anything besides rise of skywalker last is objectively wrong i am sorry |
frozencarl
11.02.23 | Andor kicks so much ass. best star wars content period |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.02.23 | I still think Attack of the Clones is worse but yes rise of Skywalker is fucking terrible |
SomeCallMeTim
11.02.23 | "they badly need to get away from the skywalker saga and start a new era with all new characters"
I think at this point I'd start watching star wars films again |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.02.23 | There’s so many different directions they can go in. We don’t need to focus on empire/first order bullshit |
AlexKzillion
11.02.23 | as not good as attack of the clones might be... it's still hella meme-able, has natalie portman, and is an overall hilarious hate-watch. did i mention natalie portman?
the rise of skywalker doesn't even have ironically redeemable qualities imo, and to top it off its the worst looking (main line) star wars movie with the worst score. its the worst film by several orders of magnitude imo. |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.02.23 | Sorry man I still find Kylo to be one of the more interesting characters, and his scene with Han was total fan service but was better than anything in AotC. AotC literally just gets a pity 2/10 from me because Ewan is a great actor. |
Gameofmetal
11.02.23 | Anyone that doesn't have rise of skywalker at the bottom -100000/10 is untrustworthy, literally cannot parse quality in anything. |
Faraudo
11.02.23 | I can understand hating TLJ (I respect almost anyone with incorrect opinions), but not putting Rise of Skywalker at last is just plain dumb. |
AlexKzillion
11.02.23 | for all its faults, the last jedi looks amazing and honestly has prob all the best sequel trilogy scenes |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.02.23 | I won’t be shaken.
I’d sooner rewatch Rise of Skywalker than Attack of the Clones. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.03.23 | Rise might be technically more embarrassing, but TLJ just felt like some edgy teenager who doesn't know shit about how to structure a story (again, very very weird coming from someone like Rian Johnson) and just wanted to subvert you while being a total douchebag about it.
Everything that was set up from the first movie was just totally shat on. Killing off Snoke, what should have been the big bad, without any explanation as to what he really was, meant that there was zero larger threat for a third act - our main character in Rey had no real challenges after that (I was never worried that she couldn't overcome Kylo). I get that this subverted expectations or whatever the fuck, but it made it so that the entire structure of this second act just threw all of the pieces off of the board without replacing it with literally anything that could have led to an interesting third act. By the end of the second act our heroes should be at the bottom so they can overcome shit, not already eliminating the main threat (hence why we got that nonsense Palpatine in act 3, because what the hell else was there to do?)
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DarkSideOfLucca
11.03.23 | Kylo's set up was teased to be undone once he teamed up with Rey which could have been interesting, but they immediately took it back like seconds after because this movie has just enough balls to fuck everything up but not actually replace it with anything at all.
Leia Mary Poppins-ing through space was the dumbest thing I've ever seen on camera.
I'm actually all for making Luke a disgruntled cynic if done right, but how the executed it felt like edgelord bullshit and made absolutely zero sense for that particular character. Not to mention that they cut away after he said "where is Han" so we didn't even really get to see his reaction. Also, you can bring him back to be a cynic but you can't just bring the main hero back just to make him the literal butt of every joke without even lifting a finger to help at all. What in the fuck is this movie, oh my God, I need to lower my heart rate. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.03.23 | They could have at least attempted to explain how the first order came to be after the empire fell in this chapter and now everything went back to this shit, but they didnt - although arguably that could be the fault of JJ in Force Awakens, but I don't think so since that was only the first in the trilogy.
Every single thing about Poe's arc was insane and obnoxious - moreso the fact that Laura Dern's character didn't act like a leader at all and came across as evil as shit, only to turn around and tell Poe that actually she is competent and Poe is just a sexist or some shit. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.03.23 | Every person who attacked the actress of Rose is a dogshit garbage human loser, and it wasnt the actresses fault, but HOLY SHIT her character was the absolute fucking worst and that may have been the worst chemistry between characters I have ever seen. I didnt even know that was supposed to be a romance until the kiss at the end. Also, her sacrifice was beyond frustrating because she stopped the only useful and tearjerking thing that Finn would have done in this entire movie. She also stopped Finn from actually protecting the allies as they were in mortal danger then she gave some bullshit line about how "we are not going to win by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love" as there are missles being fired in the background. Oh my God. Fucking kill me.
It's been years since I've seen this movie, but it's burned into my brain because of how absolutely atrocious it is. I don't know if there is a movie that exists that makes me more mad. The prequels are like dumb soap operas with hilarious romantic sub plots, but they don't make me actively angry while watching them.
Edit: Also all of these complaints are just like 5% of all of my problems with this trash film. I would literally have to pause it every 2 minutes to explain why what is on screen is fucking stupid.
Please God, MIB my brain. |
Faraudo
11.03.23 | All incorrect, but valid nonetheless. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.04.23 | Lmao I respect that, Faruado |
fogza
11.04.23 | Lol Lucca I think you hate that movie more than I do |
twlight
11.04.23 | Cool list. I used to love sw.
1-6 are killer
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twlight
11.04.23 | George Lucas owned. Everything else sucked. It's very simple |
twlight
11.04.23 | Attack of the clones is a good movie. Fuck off |
MeatSalad
11.04.23 | Lmao |
twlight
11.04.23 | The moment Yoda talks to Anikan was good |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.04.23 | Attack of the Clones has the meme about sand, and for that I hate it and am eternally grateful for it existing |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.04.23 | I’m sorry but you’re legit clinically insane if you like Attack of the Clones more than TFA or TLJ |
unclereich
11.05.23 | You wouldn’t understand |
StormChaser
11.05.23 | Disney so far has been really hit or miss for me. TLJ is the best one of the sequels and it's not even remotely close. The other 2 are hot garbage. Solo is hot garbage, I do like Rogue One, but it didn't need to exist if we're being honest. Boba Fett is hot garbage except for the Mando episodes. Mando was cool and refreshing for the most part, then the autopilot S3 happened. Haven't gotten to Ahsoka yet, mildly interested in that one.
But goddamn, did none of your sorry asses watch Andor? It's like probably better than any Star Wars ever, while at the same time not being very Star Warsy which is probably not something people are looking for in a SW thread, but damn, that's a fucking 10/10 show right there |
StormChaser
11.05.23 | Anyone that doesn't have rise of skywalker at the bottom -100000/10 is untrustworthy, literally cannot parse quality in anything.
yes
the rise of skywalker doesn't even have ironically redeemable qualities imo, and to top it off its the worst looking (main line) star wars movie with the worst score. its the worst film by several orders of magnitude imo.
double yes |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.05.23 | My retort to that charge is in my previous posts above about TLJ
Also no, not watching Andor - Star Wars has wasted my time for nearly a decade now, all the good will is completely gone thanks to Disney |
StormChaser
11.05.23 | And anyone trashing TLJ for making Luke disgruntled and disillusioned, tell me how is that TLJs fault? Did you not watch your favorite JJ movie TFA? Didn't they say in that revolutionary brainchild that Luke had dissappeared and the whole point of that pointless movie was to find Luke who'd gone off the grid? What were you expecting to see when we found him? |
StormChaser
11.05.23 | Andor is a spy flick (and other genres which would spoil the plot) with expert writing and dialogue. It has absolutely nothing to do with the shit Disney continuity or gripes you may have with their stuff. It's actually written by competent people and is not targeted at children. I do agree it came out in the absolute worst time after Disney already shit the bed innumerable times, so I can get where you're coming from. It not being on anyone's list is appropriate though because it's in a league of it's own |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.05.23 | @storm
Worst looking? What?
Look, I hate the fuckin movie, but it’s undeniably better looking than the prequels. So much of those films are so hard on the eyes |
StormChaser
11.05.23 | movie looks like dogshit mate, the lighting is horrible, the cinematography is amateurish and none of the designs inspire anything other than the feeling of the director and crew mailing it in
looks like one of those transformers movies or something |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.05.23 | Okay yeah agreed, but it still looks better than the prequels lol |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.05.23 | Yeah I don't know if you're just not remembering the prequels or what, but they are shot like actual soap operas but EVERYTHING except for the actors are cheesy early 2000's, late 90s CGI. Even the floors and the walls in most scenes, plus the shit cinematography I mentioned before.
Rise does look like a transformers movie, but it at least looks like a fucking movie |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.05.23 | [2]
It’s not like it was shot by Roger fuckin Deakins or something but I thought it looked fine.
It’s just everything else about it was shit.
imo The Last Jedi set up so many good plot points and Rise of Skywalker just shat all over them. Killing Snoke like that was a good move imo, yeah sure he was built up to be a big bad like Palpatine, and Rey having no lineage was great, so I really loved the “subverting expectations” that people love to bitch about.
It’s just they had absolutely no road map for any kind of plot in the sequels. The first two were fine, great at times even, but Episode IX completely shit the bed.
They had so many interesting ways to take the story in different directions but instead we got the most dumbed down Star Wars flick ever. I still think it’s not the worst, but man at least the prequels had some ambition.
Rise of Skywalker just feels like the worst version of a marvel movie but in a universe that means a lot more to me. Such a disappointing way to cap off a series I’ve been Invested in for literally my entire life. Phantom Menace came out when I was like 2.
I, like many others, have been watching this series my whole life. And I’ll give points to The Force Awakens solely for the fact that I cried like a bitch during the opening crawl. I never thought I’d get to see a Star Wars flick in theaters. |
Faraudo
11.06.23 | TLJ is goated specifically for just brushing uninteresting old space geezer Snoke AKA Palpatine 2.0 aside to set Kylo as the main bad guy, which should've been the move from the beginning, but they wanted to copy-paste the OG trilogy and have another grandpa be the main threat. |
Faraudo
11.06.23 | And Luke managed to do the most powerful thing a Jedi has ever done in any SW films/shows (I'm excluding novels and all extended universe stuff), which is to fucking astral project across the galaxy, draining his vital energy and leading to his death. That's the most Jedi thing any character has ever done, the ultimate sacrifice without killing anyone, and some simpletons just go ahead and say "Oh no they destroyed Luke so bad because there wasn't any real pew pew saber action going on and he's all grumpy and drinking green milk". It genuinely pisses me off lmao, and basically tells me that people want the same thing over and over. |
fogza
11.06.23 | "It’s just they had absolutely no road map for any kind of plot in the sequels. The first two were fine, great at times even, but Episode IX completely shit the bed."
that's exactly the problem, i have no idea how someone kicks off a massively expensive final trilogy of one of the most influential, beloved franchises in history, and no-one has worked out an overarching story and vision for the directors. so we get:
1) a new hope rehashed and it sucks
2) the empire strikes back meets return of the jedi rehashed with a dash of contempt and it sucks
3) pandering fan service course correction into the sun and it sucks |
markjamie
11.06.23 | Faraudo gets it. |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.06.23 | Mark Hamill is legit at his best in the Last Jedi. Some of y’all aren’t ready to hear that but I don’t give a fuck.
Yeah, giving a beloved character a tragic and meaningful arc is a hell of a lot more interesting than just making him a fuckin Mary Sue again, or whatever the male equivalent is |
fogza
11.06.23 | luke was never a mary sue really, dunno where you get that from. he fails at the cave, he almost dies against vader because he doesn't listen to advice and he is not vader's equal, he's rescued by han in the first movie (and the second one come to think of it), and he actually is defeated by the emperor. only his compassion for his father saves him (which is a choice) |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.06.23 | "TLJ is goated specifically for just brushing uninteresting old space geezer Snoke AKA Palpatine 2.0 aside to set Kylo as the main bad guy, which should've been the move from the beginning, but they wanted to copy-paste the OG trilogy and have another grandpa be the main threat."
...Right, but Rey beat Kylo in a duel in the very first movie and Kylo was set up to be an emotionally unstable man child from minute one. Do you really expect me to be fearful of a 'big bad' that got defeated in the first fucking movie? And Snoke was mysterious and in the background enough in The Force Awakens as to where they could have invented literally ANYTHING for his powers/backstory to differentiate him from Palpatine.
"Mark Hamill is legit at his best in the Last Jedi. Some of y’all aren’t ready to hear that but I don’t give a fuck."
Agree, the acting was his best. His emo-butt of every joke, unrecognizable writing for this character was not. Felt like someone was just taking the piss the whole film.
"And Luke managed to do the most powerful thing a Jedi has ever done in any SW films/shows "
And yet it still managed to be boring in comparison to him actually fighting, and considering he had absolutely zero Luke characteristics and was a total prick and didnt seem to care about anything for the entirety of the film beforehand, I was already over him by the time that even happened.
Also yeah, Luke was never a Mary Sue - he was a weak inexperienced child in ep 4 then got his ass handed to him so bad in ep 5 that it lead to one of the biggest defeats and cliffhangers in film history. He didn't really become victorious until Return of the Jedi and even in that it took him a LOT of struggle. He didn't magically know how to operate the millenium falcon, he didn't defeat Darth Vader in the first film, etc |
AlexKzillion
11.06.23 | honestly think disney could've salvaged the sequel trilogy if they let rian johnson direct the third movie too. dude did a lot of truly wild shit with the last jedi, and was rightfully shat on for it pretty hard at the time, but a third installment going down the same path could've potentially been pretty awesome and really saved things if he got the landing right. it was brought up a million times in 2017 but people hated empire strikes back initially too until rotj put a nice bow on things
a trilogy arc of re-establishing the universe in the safest way possible with tfa --> completely subverting expectations for its entire run time + doomer ending with tlj --> concluding the trilogy in a similarly daring way but more optimistic outlook would've been much better than what we got and really not that dissimilar to the OT. really believe if they got the third movie right we'd look at the entire trilogy in a much better light than we do now. and that is ultimately why tros is by far my least favorite, it was not only a terrible movie but pretty much ruined two better movies too |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.06.23 | I think you guys need to take off the rose tinted glasses. He’s not quite as bad as Rey, who really is just OP as fuck. But homeboy blew up the motherfuckin Death Star in ep 4. That’s some Mary Sue shit |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.06.23 | And Kylo only lost to Rey because he took a crossbow blaster to the gut, and then a pretty decent hit from Finn.
Either one of those would’ve downed your average Joe Schmoe. They even talk about how powerful Chewie’s blaster is multiple times in TFA. Kylo at max strength would’ve wiped the floor with Rey and Finn. |
StormChaser
11.06.23 | honestly think disney could've salvaged the sequel trilogy if they let rian johnson direct the third movie too
this. instead they got cold feet and brought back the master of whatever the opposite of innovation is. in fairness, it wasn't JJ's fault, it's Disney's for not having a vision as is discussed in the comments above. they got Rian to shit over JJ's first movie (which is honestly a boss move after having realised how insubstantial it turned out to be). but then the fans cried because their fake emperor is fake and they got JJ to shit over Rian's movie. all in all it was destined to be a shitty and nearly utterly forgettable trilogy if not for the clutch line "somehow Palpatine returned". |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.06.23 | Yes, 1000 times yes.
Imagine a Rian Johnson directed Rise of Skywalker. I’d love that so much. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.06.23 | As much as I absolutely fucking hate The Last Jedi, I do agree that I would have preferred Rian Johnson to direct the third in the trilogy. For him to literally throw all of the set up from the first move out the fucking window, change all of the pieces around in a way where no one could see what the hell he was doing and changing the entire characteristics of past characters - yeah, if he was going to do that, I'd rather him stick around and actually show us where the hell he was going with all of that rather than to just fuck with everything and leave it for someone else who had just as much of a clue as to what he was doing as I was (which was none) lol
If he brought it all together, there is a universe out there where I could actually look back at The Last Jedi and say "ahhh that's what was happening." |
StormChaser
11.06.23 | I don't think it's that hard to see where he was going honestly. |
Faraudo
11.06.23 | Nah, its pretty straightforward lol |
Faraudo
11.06.23 | But exciting and fresh, nonetheless |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.06.23 | It’s so insane how bad Rise of Skywalker is.
It’s not even like the prequels, the prequels at least had some hints of greatness, it’s just most of it was executed very poorly. TROS doesn’t even have that. It needs to get thrown in the fucking garbage and be restarted from scratch.
The one thing I will give them credit for, is that I loved all of the Leia scenes. They got dealt a really shit hand with our princess dying, but they definitely did the absolute best the possibly could given what they had. |
Emim
11.06.23 | the old republic cinematics are better than everything post original trilogy |
bananatossing
11.06.23 | The Last Jedi is a terrible film with terrible pacing and a terrible script. I remember watching that "yo momma" joke in the beginning of the film knowing the rest was going to be garbage. I genuinely thought they couldn't fuck it up more with Rise of Skywalker. Boy I was wrong... that whole sequel trilogy is cursed beyond saving. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.23 | "I don't think it's that hard to see where he was going honestly."
I mean...there was no massive threat at the end of TLJ at all imo. Not in the way that there really should be at the end of a second act. I'm also not really too sure where he was going with characters like Finn and others. Rey was just a shell of a human at this point in the story, etc |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.07.23 | What Lucca? Kylo Ren and the First Order hellbent on destroying Rey and the resistance, who was down to like 25 people by the end of the film.
It’s cool to not like it but that’s wrong my guy |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.07.23 | And yes, that your mother joke was fucking stupid. I love the film and I can admit that |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.23 | Yeah I dunno, I literally never got the impression that Rey couldn't overpower Kylo if she actually tried. Kylo was too much of an emotional mess to be a big bad imo, there wasnt anything TRULY threatening there - he could have been a good addition to the bad guy rank, but def not a big bad or imposing force
And yeah they were down but like...I dunno man, I just didn't feel that weight |
markjamie
11.07.23 | "honestly think disney could've salvaged the sequel trilogy if they let rian johnson direct the third movie too"
Yes. They succumbed to fan-hate of TLJ and the resulting movie was a disaster. They needed to commit. |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.07.23 | Idk Lucca, Kylo is far and away my favorite part of the sequels. I think that he’s every bit as good a villain as Darth Vader was despite being in way worse movies. Adam Driver killed it in every way.
Like to the point where I just wished that they killed Rey instead of him and gave us the Kylo Ren spin-off we deserve. It wouldn’t have saved the film, but it would’ve made me optimistic for the future of the franchise. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.23 | "I think that he’s every bit as good a villain as Darth Vader was"
::waves fist at the clouds:: You damn kids! Back in my day, we had real movies! |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.07.23 | Yeah yeah, I know man.
But for real, I don’t really have the nostalgia for them you older guys seem to have. I didn’t see Star Wars until I was like 14, and that was barely a decade ago. Kylo fuckin rules and is easily my favorite character in the whole saga |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.23 | Oh dude my dad's first date with my mom was Chinese food and then opening night of the original Star Wars in 77
And that's how I was created
Edit: That's not actually the night I was created, I'm not THAT old, but it sounded cool when I typed it so shhh |
Faraudo
11.07.23 | I know I won't turn any of you guys into TLJ enjoyers, so I'll just stop |
Storm In A Teacup
11.07.23 | If we are talking specific scenes it is possible i guess. |
Storm In A Teacup
11.07.23 | They should have killed the asian girl in the 3rd act or in the 3rd movie. If nothing else. Still dont understand the Benicio Del Toro thing. |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.07.23 | I love the Last Jedi and Benicio and I completely forgot he was even in that movie until just now lmao
That Canto Bight shit really brought the movie down |
AlexKzillion
11.07.23 | i completely forgot about that subplot too lol |
fogza
11.07.23 | I wish I could forget it |
Faraudo
11.07.23 | Canto Bight is cool tbh, it shows a whole new side of the galaxy that we knew existed, but rarely saw in other films. It feels like a sequence that could've been a part of Andor, which I love. |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.07.23 | I would say it was the worst part of the film but was decent up until the alien horse race through the casino. That was just fucking goofy. |
Emim
11.07.23 | "Yeah I dunno, I literally never got the impression that Rey couldn't overpower Kylo if she actually tried. Kylo was too much of an emotional mess to be a big bad imo"
They nailed his intro with catching the blaster bolt and then pissed it all away. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.23 | "They nailed his intro with catching the blaster bolt and then pissed it all away."
Yoooo, agreed so hard - that and a few of his follow up scenes I was hooked. The badass actions PLUS that unbelievable sound design of his voice making him sound like some Space Demon was the shit.
Then he started bitching for the next 3 movies. |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.07.23 | That was kinda the point tho, he fronted as this successor to Darth Vader but he just didn’t have it in him. I think he’s a great character. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.07.23 | I know it was the point, but their point is laaaaammmeeee
Give me a horrifying, Space Demon badass who can stop lasers and rip peoples mind apart with the dark side over some pre-teen confused little shit any day of the week, thank you |
Storm In A Teacup
11.08.23 | I wonder how far disney finished plans in regard to cash in on Rey Skywalker after the trilogy ended before the lmao response. |
StormChaser
11.08.23 | "I mean...there was no massive threat at the end of TLJ at all imo"
The First Order was still there, but seriously why does every big movie have to have a massive intergalactic superthreat out there? I guess so as to avoid having to write good characters or dialogue |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.08.23 | "but seriously why does every big movie have to have a massive intergalactic superthreat out there?"
They don't. But this is the second act in the trilogy of a giant space opera. For this particular story, it kind of requires it before the massive big finale, especially one that's claiming to close out a fucking 9 film saga that's taken place over decades
For something that big, I should have been in pain every day waiting to see how they would conclude this. Instead, I fell off entirely, and I loved Star Wars since I was in elementary school (seriously, I was so young when my parents showed me th originals that it was prob before I was able to form memories) |
Gameofmetal
11.08.23 | it's outrageous that you thought snoke should've been the big bad LOL. like what the fuck. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.08.23 | If not Snoke then at least set something up maybe? General Hux and Captain Phasma were BOTH treated like afterthought jokes so we didn't even get any real threats from there. Kylo was just a manchild.
What the fuck else was I left with here? |
StormChaser
11.08.23 | Weren't they gimmick characters to begin with? What exactly did they do to make you even remember their names? Scream like a nazi and be a shiny female stormtrooper? And nobody asked for this to be a 9-part saga and nobody needed them to wrap up 9 movies worth of story with the last one. The Skywalker saga was over with ROTJ, this was the opportunity to start of fresh not dredge up a character who died by falling into a fucking death star reactor. |
Gameofmetal
11.08.23 | Yes, Kylo was a better villain than another cartoonishly evil inhuman caricature like Snoke. |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.08.23 | "nobody asked for this to be a 9-part saga"
Dude, that's how they sold it. As the closing chapter to the Skywalker saga. I'll find the exact interview I guess but that's part of why this was such a big deal.
A totally new thing wouldnt start at episode 7 and bring back every single legacy character without wrapping it up in an epic way, I don't even know what you mean by that. They were literally planning other trilogies right after ep 9 for this exact reason.
And yes, they were gimmick characters but if our biggest scariest villain was Kylo who kept going back and forth between good and bad, then they REALLY should not have been. Or if you guys are so against Snoke (honestly Im not even totally sure why), have another threat in the background that would make sense to bring to the forefront in the finale. |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.08.23 | nah, bringing in ANOTHER villain would’ve been too lazy.
Something more interesting would’ve been have Leia die earlier and then have Rey really struggling with the dark side. Maybe Kylo has the Han vision a little sooner in the film and you have two morally conflicted characters duking it out instead of having Rey own him again only for him to pull a Vader, turn good, save the day, and fucking die anyways.
Idk I’m spitballing, there’s not a lot to be done that would “save” IX |
DarkSideOfLucca
11.08.23 | Hey man, I'm all for having Rey going full dark side. At least that would be interesting and threatening. |
Faraudo
11.09.23 | "Yes, Kylo was a better villain than another cartoonishly evil inhuman caricature like Snoke."
People wanted another grandpa I guess, genuinely don't get why fans got upset when Kylo destroyed him lol, it was the perfect setup for his villain arc. |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.09.23 | People cheered in my theater when he got sliced lol
God damnit I’m gonna say it again, I think the sequels would be looked at a lot more fondly if Rian Johnson got to do IX. I want the movie that didn’t retcon my favorite of the sequels instead of the fan service bullshit we got |
Faraudo
11.09.23 | Ugh, it would've been beautiful. |
fogza
11.09.23 | I would have preferred no snoke character, let's face it TFA was a total fail. After Abrams made the mistake of introducing him, I don't think Johnson's method of disposing of him worked either. Felt like a SNL skit or something, like a parody of star wars. The choice of director for this trilogy was wrong, would have been better with someone like Gunn who understands the key to making movies like this is the group dynamic |
Storm In A Teacup
11.09.23 | Aaaagh fogza i want to disagree with you ever so slightly but everything you just said perfectly sets up how bad Rise of Skywalker was and it makes your perspective uncriticisable. |
Storm In A Teacup
11.09.23 | They fly now. |
AlexKzillion
11.09.23 | in hindsight i like rian's idea of killing snoke as soon as he came. how did this guy survive the entire series without palpatine and vader finding and killing him? because he's a fraud who was never on their radar. snoke is kinda the inverse of palpatine in that while palpatine acts weak but is actually super dangerous, snoke is a fake tough guy. he's charismatic and persuasive enough to turn a young angsty ben solo but too stupid and weak to realize ben/kylo, an actual skywalker descendent, would dunk on him as soon as he gained even an ounce of self-confidence.
(going purely off the movies here, very aware snoke is presented as a palpatine equivalent in like all the initial disney eu) |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.09.23 | Fuck all the eu
I shouldn’t have to read some comic to know vital info that should’ve been in the movies.
I like that interpretation alex |
Gavierra
11.26.23 | tHe sUpReMe LeAdEr Is DeAd! |
StormChaser
11.27.23 | somehow palpatine returned |
Gavierra
11.28.23 | Rose after crashing into Finn: “I saved you”
Finn: “You didn’t save my life you ruined my death” |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.28.23 | ngl that would’ve made Last Jedi a better movie. Rey, Poe, and Finn all felt invincible. Would’ve raised the stakes by killing one of the new main characters. Rise of Skywalker was over stuffed anyways, they could’ve used one less character |
Piglet
11.28.23 | on the back of all this zealous glomping over Andor i might chuck on an episode or two. though if there's any opinions in this world i don't respect, it's that of star wars fans |
Gavierra
11.28.23 | After how Disney's been handling the franchise I don't think I'd call myself a fan anymore. Andor is still awesome tho |
StormChaser
11.28.23 | That's legitimate Piglet, but the appreciation and love for Andor doesn't have much to do with being a Star Wars fan because it's not very Star Warsy at all, so by all means give it a spin. Anyone who appreciates quality TV should imo |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.28.23 | “After how Disney's been handling the franchise I don't think I'd call myself a fan anymore.“
I mean I would. The way a lot of people have turned around on the prequels is wild. 3 is decent, the other two are pretty trash. Even if I thought all of the sequels were trash, and obv I don’t think that, I’d still be a fan of Star Wars.
The original trilogy is still there. It’s not like the other 6 movies (or 9, whatever) made after ruin that. I still really loved Jedi Survivor and hope there’s more quality shit like that in the future. I think another big part of it is that Disney tried to pull some MCU shit and found out how quickly that fatigue sets in. But at this point, 4 years after Rise of Skywalker, I’m ready for another Star Wars flick, I just want them to keep it all far away from any Skywalker talk. Leave that shit alone and maybe try something new. |
Ryus
11.28.23 | star wars is for nerds |
StormChaser
11.28.23 | actually most of it is for kids |
Ryus
11.28.23 | that too |
StormChaser
11.28.23 | that doesn't make it bad tho |
Ryus
11.28.23 | not inherently but it is bad |
StormChaser
11.28.23 | a lot of the time, yes |
Gavierra
11.28.23 | “I mean I would. The way a lot of people have turned around on the prequels is wild.”
Well yeah, because the sequels were so awful that it made everyone rethink their positions on the prequels being the worst thing to happen to the franchise, and after re-evaluating them it became obvious that they were nowhere near as bad as people claimed. So it’s not really that much of a surprise really.
Plus after LucasArts died it’s honestly shocking that we don’t get as many good games nowadays compared to before Disney bought the franchise. The only two games they made that were good were the spinoffs made by EA, but that doesn’t hold a candle to the days of OG Battlefront, KOTOR, Shards of the Empire, The Force Unleashed, SW: Bounty Hunter, Jedi Academy, the old Lego games, etc |
StormChaser
11.28.23 | The Force Unleashed was pretty shit tho |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.29.23 | Force Unleashed 2 is kinda sick ngl. I haven’t played it in a decade but I remember loving it. Never played KOTOR but I really love the respawn games. That’s the best Star Wars anything since the original trilogy. I’m really excited to see where they take that story. |
Wildcardbitchesss
11.29.23 | The Squadron game is awesome too, I played that on the Oculus and it was fucking incredible. |
unclereich
11.29.23 | kotor is goated force unleashed is probably overrated but significantly better than that game with the gay dude from shameless |
Brabiz
11.30.23 | "Well yeah, because the sequels were so awful that it made everyone rethink their positions on the prequels being the worst thing to happen to the franchise"
while yes, the sequels ARE awful, i think a lot of it is nostalgia. I grew up with the prequels and greatly prefer the aesthetics and tone of of those movies. I'm sure this new generation of SW fans will grow up to be writing for some shitty news site like "actually the sequels weren't that bad" |
Gavierra
11.30.23 | Not sure how that argument will hold up. The sequels were a blatant cash-grab attempt made by directors that kept fighting against each other’s vision, if you want to call it that. The prequels at least had consistency when it came to plot and character, and didn’t destroy anything the way the sequels did |
AlexKzillion
11.30.23 | i think both things are correct. all the kids who grew up actually liking the prequels are all grown up and terminally online now and all the boomers who hated on them 20 years ago are off doing boomer shit now. but also bringing back palpatine, the empire, the death star etc. in the sequels after this stuff was already beaten in the OT makes shit like midichlorians and jar jar seem pretty insignificant by comparison |
Gavierra
11.30.23 | Especially since midichlorians weren't even that much of a problem to begin with. Yet for some reason the Boba-Fett pajama-wearing OT fanboys tried to pretend it "demystified" the Force, even though it and the Force were two entirely different things. |
Wildcardbitchesss
12.01.23 | there’s way more wrong with the Phantom Menace than midichlorians. That’s not the point. the point is who gives a shit. George wanted to explain the science behind the force. I don’t care about that, give me space opera bullshit not a fuckin imaginary science lesson.
That’s why I’ll always say the sequels are better than the prequels. The sequels gave me more of what I wanted. The prequels were fucking boring, aside from 3 I guess but even then it’s really not that good. |
Gavierra
12.01.23 | I'd rather take a fictional science lesson over "Somehow Palpatine returned" or deranged hermit Luke drinking milk from alien elephant titties any day of the week lmao |
fogza
12.01.23 | Both ideas suck tbf. The sequels are worse overall than the prequels but the prequels are still pretty bad. |
unclereich
12.01.23 | Not an unreasonable take fog, but ROTS is 🐐 |
Gavierra
12.01.23 | [2] |
StormChaser
12.01.23 | To each his own I guess, but for me it's hard to imagine a grown man with more than a single braincell actually liking the sequels as a whole. Individual movie, sure, but as a whole the sequel trilogy doesn't even deserve to be called a trilogy, that's how disconnected it was. When the prequels were on, we were kids so the nostalgia factor makes those movies better than they are, but even without that, they're still better than the garbage we got from Disney and it's not particularly close |
Wildcardbitchesss
12.01.23 | mfs really out here shitting on Force Awakens and Last Jedi then immediately saying that Revenge of the Sith is the best Star Wars flick lol |
StormChaser
12.01.23 | I like Star Wars as the best movie of the bunch, but I can see why some would have ROTS. It's definitely the most dynamic and emotional one, and at times it even redeems the up&downness of the other 2 prequels with how well it does the Anakin-Palpy thing. |
Wildcardbitchesss
12.01.23 | and storm that’s kinda spot on. I was on board after 7 and 8, but it really fell apart with Rise of Skywalker.
Still would much rather watch the sequels than the prequels. Attack of the Clones is just fucking horrible guys, and the Darth Maul fight saves Phantom Menace from being just as bad |
Gavierra
12.01.23 | Every time I think about the sequels, they make me respect the prequels even more. The Disney trilogy just gets worse and worse with every rewatch, to the point where I question how anyone in their right mind can defend TLJ as a whole |
Wildcardbitchesss
12.01.23 | Saying the same wrong shit over and over again doesnt magically make it true but go off king |
Gavierra
12.01.23 | Keep telling yourself that and maybe you’ll start thinking like everyone else |
unclereich
12.02.23 | I actually think force awakens is the worst of the bunch |
Gavierra
12.02.23 | Not a bad opinion to have. It’s like when the smart kid gives you his homework to copy, and somehow you still manage to screw it up |
unclereich
12.02.23 | it was an excruciatingly boring film that was a blatant rip of a new hope and in an obvious attempt to force some kind of emotional reaction from the audience, it kills off Harrison Ford playing Harrison Ford. "DROID PLEASE" |
Gavierra
12.02.23 | One of the more disappointing aspects of the sequels that nobody brings up is the incompetent henchmen villains. In the prequels they had a unique look, distinctive personality and fighting style, and they posed an actual threat to the main characters.
The sequels had a silver stormtrooper who died twice somehow, and a general who got mad because Poe said mean things about his mom. |
Wildcardbitchesss
12.02.23 | really just gonna ignore that Kylo is the most interesting villain in the saga aside from Vader. And dude I really don’t see how ROTS has the best lightsaber fight. It’s maybe the most emotionally charged fight, but it too often looks way too overly choreographed if that’s even a thing. Half the time they look like they’re dancing and not trying to kill each other. As far as prequel fights go, Duel of Fates is by far the best even if I don’t like the movie surrounding it.
Literally every sequel lightsaber fight clears anything from the prequels. The Finn v Kylo and the Rey v Kylo was great, the throne room fight was excellent, hell, even the Kylo Rey fight on that wreckage in 9 is better, which by the time it happened, I’d almost completely checked out of the movie. They look like people that actually hate each other and are trying to kill each other. Not baton twirling dance number bullshit.
Empire definitely has the best fight overall tho, you can tell Luke knows he’s underprepared and Vader knows it too, him toying with Luke is incredible and leads to the single most iconic moment in the entire saga.
tbh I don’t really trust people that DONT think ESB is the best Star Wars movie.
And who gives a fuck about henchmen. Grievous is the coolest one and he got bitch slapped by Obi Wan. And Dooku is such a wasted character. You have one of the best character actors of all time and just give him absolutely nothing to work with. |
Gavierra
12.02.23 | “Half the time they look like they’re dancing and not trying to kill each other”
A: they’re both very experienced force users who can sense danger just a mere second before it happens, which is shown throughout all the movies. So the fact that the duel looks more like a “dance” is deliberate since the goal is to disorient each other’s senses before heading for a killing blow. And this comes with a lot of feigning and distracting moves. So of course it’s not gonna look like your typical fencing match, or worse, whatever horseshit excuse the duels in the sequels were.
B: Obi-Wan was constantly on the defense since he didn’t want to kill Anakin the way he did Maul. Which is why his strikes are primarily aimed at Anakin’s lightsaber than at Anakin himself. The fact that he even warns him not to attempt another attack at the end should be blatantly obvious.
Also I’m so glad you brought up the throne room fight, because holy shit that one’s an absolute trainwreck. Why the fuck did the guards want to kill both Rey and Kylo after Snoke died? What was their endgame there? The fact that the filmmakers needed to make one of their knives disappear between scenes when Rey was caught just so she could escape was beyond awful. Also the constant cuts between strikes which look completely amateurish. Don’t even get me started on the Rey vs Kylo fights. Those were beyond embarrassing. I’ll gladly take baton twirling dance numbers over scrawny kids slowly trying to whack each other with pool noodles while making weird feral grunts with each minuscule tap. At least every duel before the sequels had major consequences at the end of it, whether it be losing an arm or getting killed. That doesn’t happen anymore, and the people who think that’s an improvement really need to be psychoanalyzed.
“And who gives a fuck about henchmen”
Probably all the people who grew really fond of the characters themselves lmao. The fact that so many people wanted Darth Maul to return in Clone Wars, and wanted a series exploring Dooku’s past really speaks volumes. How many people want a General Hux spinoff movie? Not many that’s for sure.
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sonictheplumber
12.02.23 | dude this list sucks dick |
sonictheplumber
12.02.23 | i havent seen any of them since rogue one but heres the movie fan adult list:
1. empire
2. star wars
3. return
4. revenge
5. menace
6. clones |
sonictheplumber
12.02.23 | and honestly man if anything besides new hope and empire is your favorite, its nostalgia |
sonictheplumber
12.02.23 | ill go ahead and do trek
1. wrath of khan
2. undiscovered country
3. voyage home
4. search for spock
5. star trek motion picture
6. final frontier |
sonictheplumber
12.02.23 | back to the future ranked
1. back to the future
2. back to the future part II
3. back to the future part III |
sonictheplumber
12.02.23 | actually part II might be the best, thats kinda like the empire of back to the future. biff strikes back |
sonictheplumber
12.02.23 | i wish biff was in the new star wars, hell they could have a show where biff, loki, and baby yoda open a vape shop |
sonictheplumber
12.02.23 | cheech and chong ranked
1. up in smoke
2. next movie
3. nice dreams
4. things are tough all over
5. still smokin |
sonictheplumber
12.02.23 | best woody allen? hannah and her sisters
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Gavierra
12.03.23 | How many lines did you do before saying all that? I hope there’s still some left for me |
anarchistfish
01.14.24 | reminder that this list is shit |
Wildcardbitchesss
01.14.24 | lol I saw this in my feed and was thinking fuck why can’t that thread just die but totally agree so w/e |
StormChaser
01.15.24 | it's honestly pretty amazing people still even care about star wars, goes to show how cool and special the lucas movies were, even if they were flawed as fuck |
cycosynner
01.15.24 | (1) Digimortal kicks absolute ass.
(2) It's been awhile since I've seen Empire, but from what I remember, it and Revenge are probably in the right zone. I'd watch Attack of the Clones long before Phantom Menace though. |
AlexKzillion
01.15.24 | apparently disney announced the next star wars feature film will be..... wait for it..... the mandolorian season 4 truncated to movie length.
feel like i like mando more than most at this point and even i find that to be beyond sad. |
Wildcardbitchesss
01.15.24 | I’d say hopefully they learned some lessons but I don’t think that they have |
Gavierra
01.16.24 | “I'd watch Attack of the Clones long before Phantom Menace though”
I’d watch both before ever touching the sequels. That’s for damn sure
“the mandolorian season 4 truncated to movie length”
Unless they brutally kill Grogu so that we can finally see Mando do some cool bounty hunter shit like we were promised, I’m not interested |
goodsitebaduserbase
01.16.24 | andor and all the shows are garbage |
neekafat
01.16.24 | [2] |
neekafat
01.16.24 | The last five star wars films theyve announced have faded into the ether since so we’ll see |
StormChaser
01.16.24 | goodsite have you actually watched andor? what exactly makes you say it's garbage if you have? |
Gavierra
01.20.24 | Reddit shitposter take if I’ve ever seen one |