GhandhiLion: Tag Art Pop [WIP]

GhandhiLion 04.01.23	Submit as many artists as you like. I won't be adding artists till later today though. Will probably end up being 100+
JohnnyoftheWell 04.01.23	Bjork Kate Bus Shiina Ringo Susumu Hirasawa Julia Holter Etsuko Yakushimaru Slapp Happy Akiko Yano Perfume Genius Jockstrap Lack the Low Yaya Kim Fiona Apple Maison Book Girl 3776 Weyes Blood FKA Twigs Tujiko Noriko Kalafina Jun Togawa The Creatures U.S. Girls Faye Wong Stereolab (discuss) Laurel Halo (discuss) St. Vincent (discuss) Scott Walker (discuss) Xiu Xiu (discuss) Arthur Russell (discuss) are we considering overlap with sophistipop or no
Get Low 04.01.23	I'm unfortunately reminded of the Lady Gaga album of the same name which was ironically far-from
DadKungFu 04.01.23	Add that Anna B Savage and David Sylvian and Japan and yes to all of Johnny's discuss picks except Arthur Russell just because I've never heard him
mkmusic1995 04.01.23	I would just add Caroline Polachek to Johnny's list. I agree with St. Vincent, Stereolab, Xiu Xiu and Laurel Halo being artpop. Never listened to the other two.
DadKungFu 04.01.23	Oh man get on that Scott Walker, it's a trip
DadKungFu 04.01.23	Sophistipop is another animal imo there can be some overlap but I'd never call Sade art pop
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	-Grace Jones (in fact I've been looking into it and she needs basically all new tags: Art pop/new wave/disco lol, so when putting her on the list try to get all 3 for her) -Japan too (another artist who needs all new tags lol new wave/art pop/glam rock]) -Roisin Murphy too for all new tags (disco/synthpop/art pop)
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	RYM says art pop is my 12th highest genre whoo Since we're never getting progressive pop, should that count for that too? Bjork, Perfume Genius, Kate Bush [2] -Holly Herndon maybe? Her current tgs are "electronic/experimetal/pop and I bet we could swap pop for art pop -I'd say yes to Stereolab as johnny said discuss -Dirty Projectors (should be their top genre tbh) -Animal Collective (drop experimental) -Maybe Sufjan Stevens? (drop regular folk) -Laurie Anderson (art pop should replace both experimental AND pop) -Janelle Monae? (maybe? she's curently funk/soul/r&b, but what about funk/soul/art pop?) -tUnE-yArDs? (drop experimental) -Micachu and the Shapes (drop electronic right?) -of Montreal (drop funk, they change GENRE so much, but the vast majority feels like really fancy weird pop, psychedelic/indie pop/art pop makes sense to me) -Jenny Hval
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	I know some of those are indie pop too, but I feel like the WEIRD indie pop that gets tagged experimental is usually just a crossover between indie pop and art pop, thoughts?
JohnnyoftheWell 04.01.23	hmmm experimental is definitely more appropriate to AnCo as a whole dunno if Experimental x Indie pop is actually a better fit for Micachu and the Shapes, but no strong feelings there Sufjan could definitely wear it, but the Indie Folk Electronic Folk trifecta probably encompasses him better than Indie Folk Electronic Art Pop
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	It's my opinion to transition experimental to the truly weird out-there artists, and after listening to Jewellery and Never a ton of times, I don't see how they're not just super catchy weird pop IE: art pop
Mort. 04.01.23	prefab sprout and other artists usually classed under the 'sophisti-pop' label?
robertsona 04.01.23	I havent commented on a single one of these but yah exp>artp for anco
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	Fair Okay what about: -The Fiery Furnaces -Kishi Bashi -Bruno Pernadas (his current tags jazz fusion/psychedelic/indie pop but imo he's not really that indie, I advocate for jazz fusion/psychedelic/art pop)
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	RYM paints a picture that The Knife should be: electronic/art pop/synthpop, but on Sput they are electronic/experimental/psychedelic (tbh why are they psychedelic????) I'd be okay with both electronic/art pop/synthpop and electronic/experimental/synthpop, but can we drop psychedelic for them at least? SIMILARLY: Fever Ray?
JohnnyoftheWell 04.01.23	kishi bashi needs an indie folk tag more than at pop the Knife should drop psychedelic and gain either synthpop or maybe industrial; their experimental and pop work is pretty clearly distinct, with the exception of maybe a couple of tracks on Silent Shout Fever Ray can probably hold down an art pop tag
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	A lot of the stuff people call experimental isn't. Including what rym lists as 'experimental'. I'm going to start including artists here now.
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	You spelled it Sheena Ringo when on Sput it's Shiina Ringo Wait hmmm
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	localisation baby
JohnnyoftheWell 04.01.23	gross
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	wow Akiko Yano missing art, gross
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	Also is YAYA really art pop or is it just long jazz pop? I'll take your word for it.
Demon of the Fall 04.01.23	YESSSSSSSS! excited about this one, will have a think (and tag stuff)
Mort. 04.01.23	prefab sprout yeh or nah?
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	I agree with ars on adding baroque pop. "Since we're never getting progressive pop, should that count for that too?" No. Also that's one of the most misused genres on rym
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	prefab sprout mey
Demon of the Fall 04.01.23	I wouldnâ€™t call Stereolab or Xiu Xiu art pop
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	hmm why not stereolab?
Mort. 04.01.23	prefab sprout yeh
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	Yoko Ono, especially for her 80s stuff (experimental/art pop/rock) ???
Demon of the Fall 04.01.23	I was just hoping not to dilute my experimental tag ðŸ˜„ in favour of more easily classifiable things like death metal. Stereolab are many things and in Sputâ€™s restrictive world , art-pop makes sense as one of the â€˜threeâ€™. Xiu Xiu less so. Iâ€™m all for Bjork & Fiona Appleâ€¦ so either way I will be royally screwed How does one obtain genre tag evaluation on RYM (@ Ars)â€¦ is this a premium feature?
JohnnyoftheWell 04.01.23	Faye Wong Faye Wong
Mort. 04.01.23	johnny add prefab sprout with your secret mod powers
JohnnyoftheWell 04.01.23	I wouldn't call anything I've heard from Prefab Sprout art pop tbh ooo Ghandhi are we counting After Dinner?
Purpl3Spartan 04.01.23	We will tag all of these viking metal and you will like it
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	"Demon of the Fall" idk people who make these lists like Ghandhi, Johnny, Mort, and I, kind of just became the group leading, you can join us. Groove metal could use a list, and power electronics :P
Mort. 04.01.23	i deleted my old lists, think i made one for djent and one for deathcore? and i dont know what art pop is then if prefab sprout dont fit it. rym agrees with me and obvs theyre very smart and cool individuals
Demon of the Fall 04.01.23	Oh, no Ars, I was referencing thisâ€¦ â€˜RYM says art pop is my 12th highest genre whoopâ€™ I was wondering how to find this out myself. Although I need to finish adding my ratings to RYM first
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	@demon: no it's free 1. Go to your profile page 2. Click 'Automatic' in the recommendations section 3. The genre chart will on the right under affinities
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	After Dinner is quintessential art pop in my mind yes. Certainly not progressive pop like rym says lol
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	anxiously awaits Ghandhi's judgments of the artists I listed after seeing he skipped Grace Jones and Holly Herndon
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	I'm eating chilli, back soon after dinner
Demon of the Fall 04.01.23	Cheers Ars ðŸ‘ðŸ»
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	I hate that genres are assigned to the artist instead of individual albums. Art pop would make sense for a few Sufjan Stevens release, but the majority of his stuff is Indie Folk and s/s
Mort. 04.01.23	yeah thats the real issue with the database lack of genres is one thing but the fact we only tag by artist really messes up the charts more
PotsyTater 04.01.23	For someone who gatekeeps genre semantics so much you sure did take an L with some of these entries
GhandhiLion 04.01.23	Point them out then. Also check that instrumental hip hop list, you probably know a lot more about that genre than most.
ArsMoriendi 04.01.23	I think Potsy wants to be critical without actually being helpful Kinda in character for him
Mort. 04.02.23	did you actually just add florence and the machine but not prefab sprout are you testing me satan?
ArsMoriendi 04.02.23	1-55 tagged! :D
JohnnyoftheWell 04.02.23	Florence and the Machine is a better fit lol
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	What is the formalised argument for sprouts?
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	https://youtu.be/lVmmYMwFj1I Is this art pop?
Mort. 04.02.23	no thats just a classic of british culture
JohnnyoftheWell 04.02.23	wow i forgot spellling ever existed
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	Check her debut
JohnnyoftheWell 04.02.23	is clamor art pop i guess it is hmm
ArsMoriendi 04.02.23	Tagged up to 80
JohnnyoftheWell 04.02.23	Kikuo into Rubio is real whiplash sequencing moment kinda love it didn't know that Wildbirds and Peacedrums swung towards pop
ArsMoriendi 04.02.23	Gazelle Twin
ArsMoriendi 04.02.23	Also Goldfrapp! Trip hop/art pop/synthpop, right?
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	Did consider Goldfrapp. I'm still not sure as I haven't checked most of her albums.
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	Listened to 77 today at it's really good. RIYL: beatles, beach boys, XTC and uh arty pop music
ArsMoriendi 04.02.23	Gazelle Twin, my argument is that she's very much in the same vein as Fever Ray, but with more of an industrial coat of paint
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	listening to Unflesh rn
Demon of the Fall 04.02.23	Goldfrapp prolly counts, yeah
JohnnyoftheWell 04.02.23	Goldfrapp doesn't count imo Black Cherry + Supernature + Silver Eye + Head First = straight-up synthpop Tales of Us = straight-up chamber pop Seventh Tree = straight-up folk pop they have a couple of individual songs (Thea and Slippage) that i could see a case for, but that's as far as it goes
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	hmm Seventh Tree is more art pop than folk pop. Rym currently has it labelled as dream pop which is lol
Demon of the Fall 04.02.23	do we even have folk pop and chamber pop tags?
Demon of the Fall 04.02.23	big if true
ArsMoriendi 04.02.23	"do we even have folk pop and chamber pop tags?" Nope, though folk pop feels low priority since it you could always just tag them folk and pop... chamber pop however
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	the great is it Chamber Pop or Baroque Pop debates
JohnnyoftheWell 04.02.23	"Seventh Tree is more art pop than folk pop. Rym currently has it labelled as dream pop which is lol" this is definitely lol, but still more accurate than art pop. Cologne Cerrone Houdini and maybe Little Bird are the only songs i'd consider cogent there, and synthpop, pop-pop, folk and trip-hop still present four more pertinent tags to Goldfrapp as a whole
ArsMoriendi 04.02.23	BTW guys, since I made a small faux pas with mathcore list when I presented the stubborn artists (Dillinger/Gaza/Converge/ETID) to Sowing for tag deletion, can you guys compile the stubborn art pop artists for me with specific instructions, so I don't make the same mistake Obviously Bjork and Kate Bush ain't gonna go down easily Also when should I do it?
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	Jamming those tracks and considering. I'd still rather see art pop be slapped on their discography than the trip hop tag. Goldfrapp has 1, maybe 2, trip hop songs
JohnnyoftheWell 04.02.23	Goldfrapp has an entire album of trip-hop and is iconic to the genre Sheena Ringo is a duplicate page and should be renamed
JohnnyoftheWell 04.02.23	"Also when should I do it?" whenever! would nix everything for Julia Holter and Fiona Apple, and probably FKA Twigs' trip-hop tag. gonna tag some more, will see what comes up EDIT: - nix St. Vincent's Indie Rock tag - possibly nix one or two of Dirty Projectors' tags tagged up to 43
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	Even if that album was trip hop, there's 6 others that aren't. Other than "human" and maybe "Utopia" that album is downtempo
ArsMoriendi 04.02.23	Might wait til Monday or Tuesday so I don't have to ninja edit a big artist we forgot like I had to do with Queen for glam rock
Demon of the Fall 04.02.23	â€˜Goldfrapp has an entire album of trip-hop and is iconic to the genreâ€™ Yeah, I feel like even if a tag can only apply to a small section of an artistâ€™s discog, if said section is widely seen as their most significant, the tag should be applied.
ArsMoriendi 04.02.23	I agree with Demon while I like multiple albums of Goldfrapp's, Felt Mountain is far and away their most iconic, important, and artist defining
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	I thought trip hop was closer to hip hop with the beats. Stuff like Dummy and Mezzanine.
ArsMoriendi 04.02.23	hmmm idk RYM doesn't have Felt Mountain as trip hop but rather downtempo HMMM maybe you're right
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	It wouldn't surprise me if Felt Mountain was called trip hop by a lot of people in the 2000s as she had guest vocals on Maxinquaye and the terms were probably used interchangeably.
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	https://www.linkiesta.it/blog/2002/02/i-20-dischi-che-vi-siete-persi-nel-2001/ funny time capsule
Trebor. 04.02.23	Is hyperpop art pop is an argument I would love to have
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	Nope, because hyperpop is presumably an actual musical genre whereas art pop is a category you apply to things that don't neetly fit into pre existing boxes. It's possible for a release to be both though Here is an album that currently has both tags on rym. https://orangemilkrecords.bandcamp.com/album/maximal-life
GhandhiLion 04.02.23	I don't actually know much about hyperpop other that everyone just called some of the artists 'pc music' before that label caught on. Despite most of the artists not having a connection to the pc music label. But I'm sure it's an actual thing that isn't too related to the bubblegum bass stuff on pc music.
ArsMoriendi 04.05.23	I posted in the Meds thread, correct me here so I can ninja edit
ArsMoriendi 04.05.23	Janelle Monae and St Vincent could art more art pop tags since their top 2 tags are doing that thing where they make the 3rd one not show
Mort. 04.05.23	wow this list has massively increased, need to go through this again and tag
MillionDead 04.05.23	There's a concerning lack of Thomas Azier on this thread. I really loved Love, Disorderly.
ArsMoriendi 04.05.23	@Million: seems as though he needs both art pop AND synthpop tags Will add both, prob needs other people to as well tho so any help tagging these is appreciated
ArsMoriendi 04.05.23	Solo career David Byrne and David Byrne with St. Vincent should prob have the tag right?
ArsMoriendi 04.14.23	So if Kate Bush is an obvious example of art pop, should Peter Gabriel's solo career be one too? He's currently tagged experimental too