UpTheIRONS666: DOOM Eternal

Shuyin 03.15.20	I was saving up to build a pc so I could play this but it all went to shit thanks to the virus :[
el_newg 03.15.20	it’ll definitely be a contender along with cyberpunk and last of us nothing else seems immediately apparent as goty material
Gallantin 03.15.20	Looks okay. I might buy it in a year for half price. Too many games over this two month period so I've made my decisions and am only getting Nioh 2, Animal Crossing, Granblue Fantasy Versus, RE3, and FF7. RIP money.
teamster 03.15.20	My favorite game franchise of all time. I was there at the beginning in 1993.
Gallantin 03.15.20	Most people were, it was a very popular game.
Pikazilla 03.15.20	Same. My first game ever.
Pikazilla 03.15.20	My only gripe is that they are basically forcing you to do glory kills for health and ammo. Takes away some of the fun when I just want to blast stuff with the guns.
Demon of the Fall 03.15.20	Weirdly I’m not as hyped for this as the last game, guess I satisfied my nostalgia kick already. Not sure how many new things this will really bring to the table, also would’ve liked a reimagining of Snapmap.
AsleepInTheBack 03.15.20	Doom 2016 was the shit. Ima wait a couple of years and pick this up when it tanks to £15.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.15.20	I kinda like that the game pushes you to do glory kills. Adds a layer of strategy to the run and gun.
teamster 03.15.20	I still remember the day. I was visiting my friends at the Milwaukee School Of Engineering, we were in one of the labs. Computers everywhere. My dude says: “Do you want to play Doom?” I said “what’s that?” The rest is history.
Gallantin 03.15.20	Yea its a pretty good game
thedoom 03.15.20	wish they would release the soundtrack already
botb 03.15.20	I was lucky enough to have an older brother that used to play doom and doom 2 with me when I was a little kid, stoked for this. Kind of hope they bring back some of the horror aspects of doom 3 as fun as the run and gun aspects of the last one was
Wildcardbitchesss 03.15.20	I hope they have more variety in the glory kills. It got old watching the same animations repeat over and over.
budgie 03.22.20	"Game of the year easily" that award goes to diablo 2 every year
autoNamed 03.22.20	Needs to be played with mouse and keyboard to be fully experienced. Can't kill fast enough with controller.
Gallantin 03.22.20	It's easy to boost sensitivity on a gamepad. The only disadvantage gamepad has is difficulties with accuracy and, depending on the button layout, movement and face-button actions. But playing any FPS with a M&K isn't an inherently different experience. I hate using M&K for FPS games, slightly lower accuracy doesn't bother me much.
teamster 03.22.20	Yes Darius , game is sick.
Dimorphic 03.22.20	Any of you guys play Rocket League? I'm Diamond 1/2.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.20	“ But playing any FPS with a M&K isn't an inherently different experience. I hate using M&K for FPS games, slightly lower accuracy doesn't bother me much“ Yeah I don’t play single player games with mouse and keyboard. Controllers are just too hardwired into my brain. This game is fucking brutal though. I’m getting my ass handed to me even on ultra violence but I’m gonna push on. I’m loving every second of this.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.20	Doom Eternal is Doom 16 on crack. The story is a kinda convoluted but this gameplay is second to none.
el_newg 03.22.20	yeah dimorphic, I'm around the same level
Dimorphic 03.22.20	Nice man, you're a cool guy in that case.
Dmax28 03.22.20	Doom has been fun. Looking forward to playing it more. And I'm champ 2/3 in rocket league ;) I met one awesome buddy on it 4 years ago and we still play, not as much now that he has a family.
CosmicPie 03.22.20	Loving it so far.
Demon of the Fall 03.22.20	The fact I haven’t considered an early purchase is making me question my avatar choice. Instead I’m playing some tier 2 JRPG I downloaded on the cheap.
CosmicPie 03.22.20	I'm at the Cultist Base, going after Daeg Ranak.
CosmicPie 03.22.20	I'm not sure what you mean. Granted I never played super mario that much.
CosmicPie 03.22.20	Ah, okay. I'm not familiar enough with super mario to pick up on that... Regardless, I can see this being game of the year. Fun as hell. Fun in hell.
CosmicPie 03.22.20	Damn, I'm only playing it on Hurt Me Plenty.
Gallantin 03.22.20	I saw someone say this was an FPS take on Japanese action games and that got me pretty interested. Might considering getting this in a month or two
Gallantin 03.22.20	I might, 2016 Doom got old fast
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.20	“ Easily. Only competition I see is Cyberpunk 2077” The Last of Us Part II for me. The game isn’t even out for another couple of months but I already know it’s gonna consume my life for at least a month. Half Life Alyx will probably be up there for me too.
Wildcardbitchesss 03.22.20	Yeah my Rift S was only $350 on Black Friday Totally worth it imo, there’s nothing quite like the first time you experience VR
twlight 03.22.20	Doom 16 bored me about half way through. I'm not a huge fps fan tho. Looking forward to last of us 2 and cyberpunk exponentially more
CosmicPie 03.22.20	Sekiro is amazing. Similar intensity and difficulty to Dark Souls, but with a much more fluid, ninja-like maneuverability.
twlight 03.22.20	Also resident evil 3 free demo just dropped. It's awesome
ConcubinaryCode 03.22.20	I saw someone made a nude mod for Jill in that demo already lol
Gallantin 03.23.20	RE3 demo rocked. I'm a bit sad that the action atmosphere makes Nemesis less scary than Mr X, but it'll still be great nonetheless.
Gallantin 03.23.20	DOOM is a far more cartoonish game, I don't know what you're trying to imply with that comparison
robertsona 03.23.20	really fun. I'm not good at it though
ConcubinaryCode 03.23.20	Nemisis is scary as shit idk what game you played. Dude can literally leap across the map and infect zombies. It's gonna be way more intense than Mr. X was.
Gallantin 03.23.20	I mean he can do more than Nemesis But you can also dodge all his attacks and barrage him with gunfire It's encouraged to fight him rather than run away Idk I didn't feel desperate when I saw him in the demo, I felt excited to fight. Meanwhile in RE2R i shat myself upon seeing Mr X and never attempted to fight him
Dimorphic 03.23.20	I thought the very end of the game sucks, when the guy you're playing as gets killed in some cinematic sequence bullshit. Bitch just let me kill some demons and be invincible, jfc.
ConcubinaryCode 03.23.20	Was it the guy from the end of Doom '16? Sameal or something I wanna say?
CosmicPie 03.23.20	Supposedly the Icon of Sin is the final boss.
ConcubinaryCode 03.23.20	Sounds metal as fuck
CosmicPie 03.23.20	It's appropriate for this wretched story. It's the soul of "the betrayers" son. He made a deal with the demons to save him. And the demons tricked him and brought his son's spirit back to animate one of their most powerful demons.
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CosmicPie 03.23.20	You beat it? I'm only going off of what I've read.
Dimorphic 03.23.20	Not even played 1 second of it, was just trolling and couldn't figure out if you were going along with it or if I was actually right in what i was saying.
CosmicPie 03.23.20	Hahaha. A true troll, indeed.
TabulaRasa6 03.23.20	Does this beat Doom 2?
budgie 03.23.20	that's a serious endorsement
TabulaRasa6 03.24.20	To be fair, RE is more about you surviving an apocalypse with limited resources while Doom is more about having tons of resources to fuck your enemies up.
budgie 03.24.20	i just watched a coup minutes of doom gameplay and i dont really get the hype
budgie 03.24.20	or not interesting enough
TabulaRasa6 03.24.20	I haven't played yet. I still gotta beat 2016 first. Once I enter my week and a half long break, I'm gonna juggle Animal Crossing with 2016 and try to get to Eternal in the process.
MindsOfMen 03.24.20	Will probably end up replacing DOOM 2016 as my game of the console generation.
Skoj 03.24.20	this game needed to import colons to meet the demand. fucking outstanding.
ConcubinaryCode 03.24.20	Has anyone tried the coop mode for this? It sounded pretty fun
Alondite 03.24.20	Doom Eternal is just on a another level. It's leagues beyond anything any other shooter has ever achieved from a design and gameplay standpoint. It's insanely deep and nuanced, has you constantly juggling your abilities and revising your strategies by the second. The sheer functional variety in enemy behaviors and weapon functionality makes it fit together like a game of speed chess where you have 2 seconds to make a move or you automatically lose. And on top of that, the level design gives you just enough time to recover and collect yourself with some simple puzzles and light platforming that serves the dual purpose of punctuating negative space, as well as mastering your mobility options and environmental movement in general, which is hugely important in this game. It's the best shooter ever made, and it's not even close. It's one of the best video games ever made period. I can tell you right now, The Last of Us and Cyberpunk aren't even going to come close. Naughty Dog couldn't design their way out of a paper bag, as evidenced by how excruciatingly shallow and poorly-paced literally every one of their games are. And if The Witcher 3 is any indication, Cyberpunk is likely to be shallow and bloated with massive amounts of negative space and non-interactivity. TW3 aged about a decade the second Breath of the Wild dropped and showed how to actually design an open world, except one bolstered by absurdly dynamic and nuanced interaction.
Gallantin 03.24.20	You can tell dudes havent played many action games when they talk about Doom like this "Also, Nemesis is like a Nickelodeon cartoon compared to regular demons on this game, that's like 1997 lol" Again, what does this comparison mean, Doom is BY FAR the cartoonier game
budgie 03.24.20	🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️
ConcubinaryCode 03.24.20	I mean if doom guy faced nemisis he probably would be no big deal. But you're facing him as a normal person with a pistol. Also I've seen that cacodemon glory kill. That's literally like a cartoon. POINK
thedoom 03.24.20	Comparing Doom to The Last of Us and Cyberpunk is useless honestly. It's like comparing completely different genres of music, it's all down to personal preference.
Gallantin 03.24.20	Yeah, dumb comparisons, all three games (four if we include RE3R) are completely different genres. You got FPS, action adventure, RPG, and survival horror. All four genres and games will have different strengths and weaknesses that can't be applied to the others.
Gallantin 03.24.20	Doom Eternal is like plenty of things. Weirdly, it mostly resembles Japanese character action games. It's kinda like Devil May Cry crossed with Vanquish. Style based action shooter that encourages player expression alongside weird platforming you wouldn't usually expect. It's cool, it definitely has me more excited than Doom 2016 which got super boring super fast.
CosmicPie 03.24.20	Just got to Daeg Ranak's Agaddon Hunter.
TabulaRasa6 03.26.20	"Comparing Doom to The Last of Us and Cyberpunk is useless honestly. It's like comparing completely different genres of music, it's all down to personal preference." I didn't look above to see who compared these, but yeah. What you said.
neekafat 03.26.20	yeah it's a huge jam
Alondite 03.26.20	Comparing Doom to Cyberpunk and The Last of Us is perfectly fine. Being different genres with different core gameplay doesn't mean that aren't still built from the same core design concepts that define video games as a medium (mechanics, interplay, dynamics, etc.), and can be compared on the execution of those shared elements. I can't comment specifically on Cyberpunk yet, but The Witcher 3 being "different" from Doom doesn't excuse how shallow it is. It can still be "different" and be a deep game, but it isn't because it's poorly designed. CDPR is obviously more concerned with telling a film story than they are designing engaging gameplay systems. Most of TW3 was: Listen to someone talk, ride a mile across its giant, most empty, non-functional world, mash fast attack on some enemies, ride a mile back, listen to more talking, repeat ad nauseum. And the first The Last of Us was even worse. It actively encouraged players to avoid gameplay and actually interacting whenever possible, and played like dogshit when you actually had to fight something. No interplay, terrible AI, and no depth or dynamics to speak of. And that's when you weren't being forced to sit and watch people talk for long stretches. No matter what kind of game it is, there are things that ALL video games can do to be objectively deeper and higher-functioning, i.e. to be better games.
Gallantin 03.26.20	"Being different genres with different core gameplay doesn't mean that aren't still built from the same core design concepts that define video games as a medium (mechanics, interplay, dynamics, etc.)" Ah yes, all games are comparable because they have checks notes mechanics
Gallantin 03.26.20	Lol at your little objectivity speech there also You're clearly a MauLer fan
thedoom 03.26.20	@Alondite then how do you even begin to compare a game like Doom Eternal with for example Life is Strange? It would be completely ridiculous to claim one game is objectively better than the other...
Gallantin 03.26.20	Woah man, don't get him started. Both games have mechanics AND dynamics. It'd be dumb NOT to compare them. Let's face it, we're not smart enough to go toe to toe with this mind genius.
thedoom 03.26.20	I guess Life is Strange only wants to tell a film story and Doom has more enemy types so it’s not even a question really...
Wildcardbitchesss 03.26.20	“ And the first The Last of Us was even worse. It actively encouraged players to avoid gameplay and actually interacting whenever possible, and played like dogshit when you actually had to fight something. No interplay, terrible AI, and no depth or dynamics to speak of. And that's when you weren't being forced to sit and watch people talk for long stretches.” Yeah this whole paragraph is fucking stupid.
Alondite 03.26.20	@thedoom I'm not even sure I'd call Life is Strange a game, per se, because it doesn't really have interplay. Its choices are about as much a gameplay mechanic as is turning a page in a book. That's not a knock against it, just that it doesn't make sense to compare a game to something that is trying to be something else entirely. @Gallatin: So you're going to imply that a a deeper video game isn't better than a shallow one? Both The Witcher 3 and The Last of Us could be deeper games without having to sacrifice anything that they are at their core with more thoughtful design. They both leave a ton of design potential on the table. @Wildcard: Very informative. TLoU discourages enemy encounters when they aren't mandatory and has no stealth interplay, so exactly how is any of that wrong? Their AI is also about as intelligent as artificial dirt clods. Halo: Combat Evolved has better AI...in a game from 2001 on virtually archaic hardware. Naughty Dog are more interested in their cutscenes than they are their game.
Gallantin 03.26.20	Depth is subjective. And depth doesn't necessarily equate to quality. The gameplay depth of Doom may be deeper to me than that of Animal Crossing, but that doesn't mean I believe Doom is the superior game. "I'm not even sure I'd call Life is Strange a game, per se, because it doesn't really have interplay" Have you just looked up a series of design buzzwords without any idea of how to use them? Mechanics, interplay, dynamics. You're using them but I don't think you know what they mean.
Gallantin 03.26.20	"TLoU discourages enemy encounters when they aren't mandatory and has no stealth interplay, so exactly how is any of that wrong?" LOL what do you think this sentence means? What is "stealth interplay"? Interplay with WHAT? What do you want the stealth to interplay with? The game allows you to kill while in stealth. Bam, two gameplay mechanics interplaying. The game allows you to distract enemies in stealth, another two. The game allows you use sound and speed to your advantage, sightlines based on the location of Joel's chest while crouching, etc. There are dozens of mechanics interplaying in any video game every single moment. Do you know what you're even talking about? How are you comparing Halo AI to Last of Us AI? Both games wants its enemies doing different things. You can argue about the quality of TLoU's AI, but why this comparison? It makes no sense. In what way is Halo's AI better? By what measurement are you comparing their quality? The Last of Us isn't a stealth game. The unique thing about TLoU's stealth is that when it's broken, it doesn't feel like game over. It's not MGS or Splinter Cell where you feel the need to restart if you're caught. Stealth breaking in TLoU just means the setpiece is moving into another phase. Combat is not a consequence of poor design, it's another phase of that design. The combat in TLoU always feels pretty desparate. It's rigid and and the guns have low ammo counts at all times. It's actually one of the more meaningful third person shooter combat systems because of how its systems interplay. Broken bottles aren't used for distractions now, they're used as desparate weapons when you're out of ammo. Chest high walls aren't used for stealth anymore, they're used to stop you from dying in a couple of shots. You can dislike these games all you want, but please stop trying to sound smart in the most idiotic way possible.
Alondite 03.27.20	OK, well given that you've just described basic cover and shooting mechanics as if they are somehow evidence of TLoU's quality, incorrectly used the term "interplay" multiple times, believe that depth is subjective, and insulted me because I said a game you like was bad, I'm done having this conversation. It's clear that you lack the requisite understanding to even be having this discussion, and I've wasted my time having this discussion with people unfit to have too many times to waste my time here. For the record: Interplay: The back-and-forth interaction between player-executed mechanics and the game's response. Depth: Functionally unique game states with different interactive opportunities achieved by interacting with the surface state. The more unique states achievable through repeated interaction without reverting to a previous state, or ending the interaction, the deeper the interaction. It's literally measurable. The Koopa Paratroopa in Super Mario Bros can support up to 7 unique states of increasing depth by interacting with it in different ways. I'm not trying to sound like anything, I'm just expressing what I've observed to be true using the terminology that best describes it. But because you disagree, I'm inherently wrong and "an idiot," even though you've done nothing to prove otherwise and are just begging the question. And spoiler alert: It's OK to like mediocre games. Not sure why you're so threatened by liking a mediocre game that you have to insult me, but whatever. You exemplify the Dunning-Kruger effect. If you can get over your ego and painfully wrong assumption that you actually know what you're talking about and are interested in actually learning something, then here are the best game design resources available anywhere http://critical-gaming.com/critical-glossary/ http://critical-gaming.com/gamedesign101/ Don't expect another response from me, because frankly, I don't care enough to continue; Doom Eternal isn't going to beat itself on Nightmare.
Gallantin 03.27.20	"Interplay: The back-and-forth interaction between player-executed mechanics and the game's response." So you mean literally any action the player makes? You're saying that these games you dislike have no "interplay", i.e. these games have no mechanics that react the player's input? THAT'S what you're trying to say? I read that game development dictionary you linked that you've been quoting verbatim, you're so stupid you don't even understand what it means when it's telling you a dictionary definition of these words you're pretending to use. Reading this dictionary doesn't make you an expert on game design, especially when you misinterpret the definitions and examples it gives you. Depth is subjective, and the term depth is even arguable. Just because you read an article on a website that attempts to define it (again, subjectively), does not mean that article is the be-all end-all regarding the CONCEPT of depth. Depth is not an objective measurement here, it is a theoretical concept applied to an interactive medium. One could argue your definition of depth is actually breadth. Your obsession with this idea of depth being a indicator of quality is also bizarre. Jesus fucking christ imagine reading a decade old gaming blog and thinking you're a fucking game dev expert because of it. Better yet, imagine believing in objectively quality between subjective elements.
Gallantin 03.27.20	Lol i got more bothered by this than I needed to. It's my day off. I should be playing Monster Hunter.
ConcubinaryCode 03.27.20	I don't trust anyone that says naughty dog games are shit. Or anyone that can't grasp video games have different goals in the way they're executed and designed.
CosmicPie 03.27.20	IRON, Maykr is the second to last boss I reckon? I originally thought she would be the final, but it doesn't seem so.
teamster 03.27.20	I love this thread ..
ConcubinaryCode 03.28.20	Caved and bought this. Pretty content with the game so far. It's better paced with tighter level design and you get more options starting out compared to the last game. I wish the ammo count was a bit higher though. Also fuck the gargoyles
Wildcardbitchesss 03.28.20	couldn’t have said it better myself gallantin. dude must be playing the game on easy or something. No one that’s played on survival or grounded especially would talk shit on the gameplay. And half life alyx is GOTY. Jeff is fucking terrifying and probably the best horror sequence I’ve ever experienced in gaming.
Gallantin 03.28.20	Half Life Alyx looks fantastic but boy I cannot justify spending $1000 on a game
Wildcardbitchesss 03.28.20	I own a rift S and it was just under $400 last Black Friday. Totally worth it imo. Not even a big fan of the Half Life games, but there’s nothing like Half Life Alyx. It puts pretty much every other VR game to shame And there’s still mods to come
Gallantin 03.28.20	It's the only VR game I've seen that's led me to be even remotely interested in VR. I hope more big developers follow suit amd produce games of that quality for VR, because once there are enough games really worth it, I'll take the plunge.
ConcubinaryCode 03.28.20	I don't thi k the headset is what matters for HL: alyx, it's the controller that does.
Gallantin 03.28.20	The controller is definitely essential to it, but I feel like it is definitely meant to be experienced with the headset as well. It would be a neutered experience to simply play it with motion controls but not a full VR headset.
MO 03.28.20	unless they somehow create a port or a version of it to a console. i'll just watch a walkthrough of HL Alyx. fuck vr lol
CosmicPie 04.02.20	Not sure if it was a glitch or what, but I couldn't use the yellow gore key at the Super Gore Cell. Restarted the mission... same thing. It finally worked the third try. Don't know if it was a bug or not because I didn't kill all the major demons the first two tries. I revived at a checkpoint and they were gone... idk. But the third retry I made sure to blast everything.
JayEnder 04.02.20	Beat the Marauder my first try and I felt like such a Chad. Granted it was only on Hurt Me Plenty but still lmao. He's a fun challenge. The real most annoying enemy in the game is the FUCKING Archvile. Fuck that thing.
Wildcardbitchesss 04.02.20	Archvile is a punk bitch. I spent a fucking hour dying to one of those fucking things
JayEnder 04.02.20	I use my crucible every time I encounter one hahaha
Wildcardbitchesss 04.02.20	yeah no thanks I barely beat it on Ultra Violence, I'd punch a hole in my monitor on Ultra Nightmare
ConcubinaryCode 04.06.20	Fuck, just beat the icon of sin. That bastard was hard as hell mostly because the game straight up says fuck it and puts about 20 heavies in the area while you're avoiding the aoe fire. The ballista saved my ass so many times through the campaign though.
ConcubinaryCode 04.06.20	Also anyone use the frost, flamethrower than sawed off combo? That was a big one for me too.
south_of_heaven 11 04.06.20	Beat it the other day. Really mediocre. jk game is amazing and the best shooter I've played in years.
Element 04.06.20	game is amazing, marauder can suck my dick tho
ConcubinaryCode 04.06.20	They have way too much health. When I was fucking around with codes I could instagib any demon in the game with one shot. Marauder still took 4-5 shots. It's ridiculous. I also hate their stupid ghost wolves. That said I appreciate the ability to fly through levels to get those collectibles. Would've been nice to have fast travel from the start of the level though but that's just a nitpick.
Pikazilla 04.06.20	Marauders aren't hard if you know you should stay at mid-distance from them all the time.
ConcubinaryCode 04.06.20	They're not hard, they're annoying. It's hard to measure "mid distance too" since 80% of my time fighting them they'll either just throw a bolt or dog at you. I did find out the grenade falters them which is useful.
Gallantin 04.07.20	They'll only use the dog if you shoot their shield lol Don't shoot their shield
Gallantin 04.07.20	i.e. use AOE weapons to shoot behind them when their shield is up so you can stagger them for a 1-2 punch with the super shotgun and ballista
Gallantin 04.07.20	As for knowing what the right distance is: you have a super shotgun. You, presumably, know what distance works with that gun. Stay that distance away from a marauder to avoid theirs.
Gallantin 04.07.20	So basically you can use the BFG to shoot over their head and behind them, or use the rocket launcher to shoot to their side and behind them, then use your super shotgun and ballista in their face.
Element 05.10.20	marauders are just pace breakers, they just don't play well with the design that doom eternal facilitates.
Gallantin 05.11.20	Not really lol