GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | This is a scientific poll.
The results will shape official governmental policy for the next generation. |
Larkinhill
07.31.19 | Should be $18/hr imo. And even that will be struggling if you’re in a big city. |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | Heartless. |
Gyromania
07.31.19 | yeah if you look at the cost of living in a city like toronto, vs the min wage, it's pretty fucking dumb. i live in windsor and min wage is just barely enough to afford a 1 bedroom apartment here. ($14/hr) |
StrikeOfTheBeast
07.31.19 | To make end's meet, it should be at least $15/hour and substantial hours. Any less is a struggle. |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | Too low. |
StrikeOfTheBeast
07.31.19 | Depends where you live to. Southern states are generally more affordable. Living somewhere in NY requires at least double that just to rent a place (I'm from there so I would know). |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | It needs to be at least three times higher. |
madrigal30
07.31.19 | $20/hr |
StrikeOfTheBeast
07.31.19 | A lot of retail united pages are actually arguing for $33/hour, but I don't see that happening in the near future. |
WretchedCacophony
07.31.19 | So if you're paying an 8 person crew at McDonald's to make $3 burgers (arbitrary value) $16 each, you're paying 128$ an hour for those employees. If you don't make $300/ hour in sales, which is 100 orders, then you're not even breaking even (operating costs, price of food, etc). And if they find that they're not able to cover their operating costs, they have to increase the price of their product.
Money is only as valuable as we make it. If we give people MORE money then the value will DIMINISH. I would think that this topic has been beaten to death already. Minimum wage is not the answer for people in poverty |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | Wrong.
It needs to be AT LEAST eight times higher. |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | Well I mean I don't wanna get too technical on you but the Sun is what's ultimately losing. |
Pikazilla
07.31.19 | So if you're paying an 8 person crew at McDonald's to make $3 burgers (arbitrary value) $16 each, you're paying 128$ an hour for those employees. If you don't make $300/ hour in sales, which is 100 orders, then you're not even breaking even (operating costs, price of food, etc). And if they find that they're not able to cover their operating costs, they have to increase the price of their product.
Actually, that is not a good example. Most food outlets rely on beverages to get their revenues up. And those don't exactly take long to "make". If you actually look at the cost breakdown of one burger or any food for that matter, the ingredients make up for at least 60% (even higher in proper restaurants). |
Pikazilla
07.31.19 | Also, I genuinely do not understand how one can lead a comfortable life without making at least 5-6k a month. Even more so if you are married and with kids. |
StrikeOfTheBeast
07.31.19 | "Also, I genuinely do not understand how one can lead a comfortable live without making at least 5-6k a month. Even more so if you are married and with kids."
Actually it's possible: live with a decent person who pulls their weight, be a renter, and don't have kids. Also live a simple life. |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | Any rational person knows the minimum wage should be able to support a family of four on no more than 40 hours / week with guaranteed retirement at age 55. |
Pikazilla
07.31.19 | Step 1: Get a kitten
Step 2: Make an instagram account for said kitten
Step 3: ???
Step 4: MONEYZ |
Keyblade
07.31.19 | "Any rational person knows the minimum wage should be able to support a family of four on no more than 40 hours / week with guaranteed retirement at age 55."
hell yea |
Pikazilla
07.31.19 | Jokes aside, I agree with you GhostB1rd. So many things today are overpriced, it's unbelievable. I am sure many companies/producers could easily sacrifice some of those 1000%+ markups to boost their workers' salaries. |
PunchforPunch
07.31.19 | Abolish min wage |
StrikeOfTheBeast
07.31.19 | Punch is onto something. |
Pikazilla
07.31.19 | Abolish benefits to immigrants |
StrikeOfTheBeast
07.31.19 | Abolish minimum wage + abolish benefits to immigrants = abolish immigrants
So Trump was right all along eh? |
PunchforPunch
07.31.19 | Minimum wage laws hurt those people who need it most. Here in my country, the ones who screams about raising min wage buys shit they can't afford with credits + interest such as 250cc Ninja bike, like wtf, these are low skilled jobs, factory guys - wtf they need a ninja for. It also hurts employment rates for undergraduates. |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | Any wage less than $200/hr. is basically akin to slavery. |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | Or, at a minimum, indentured servitude. |
Keyblade
07.31.19 | implying u wouldn't want to bring those back if u could |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | Peeps forget whitey had some backbreaking contracts at that stage in history. |
Keyblade
07.31.19 | was a pretty sweet deal compared to what their black counterparts got tho I gotta say |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | Yeah any savvy businessman knows you don't lease, you gotta buy. |
BerryGarlicia
07.31.19 | Ghost is literally the “what’s inflation?” Incarnate right now |
Gyromania
07.31.19 | WretchedCacophony makes a great point. it isn't minimum wage that needs to be increased, rather the cost of things needs to be adjusted. inflated housing market, cost of products rising, etc. |
deathofasalesman
07.31.19 | It should be $23/hr
More people would be willing to spend their income and grow the economy |
Sinternet
07.31.19 | How do you propose reversing inflation in several different indexes and having that be more efficient than raising a singe metric? Generally I agree, those are what is very much causing income inequality and poverty, but it seems considerably harder to have the same impact in a close timeframe by doing so. I often see policies like rent control floated around, but these are so easily breakable, when you just get landlords charging the max they can (same thing as when tuition fees were introduced in the UK, universities all charged the maximum fees they could and stil do). A lot of these problems are super complex and hard to make a meaningful impact on. |
Gyromania
07.31.19 | oh sinternet just stop |
Sinternet
07.31.19 | uhh what? i just replied to your post |
Gyromania
07.31.19 | lol i'm just jesting |
Gyromania
07.31.19 | the problems are definitely more complex than most people let on, but we could definitely be doing more to lower the poverty line and make living affordable and enjoyable for the maximum number of people. a lot of government spending is entirely useless and could be of far better use to put back into the system. |
Trebor.
07.31.19 | "Minimum wage laws hurt those people who need it most. Here in my country, the ones who screams about raising min wage buys shit they can't afford with credits + interest such as 250cc Ninja bike, like wtf, these are low skilled jobs, factory guys - wtf they need a ninja for. It also hurts employment rates for undergraduates."
a yes, the classic ninja bike trap. If only not for that glorious bicycle poverty would be a thing of the past |
Trebor.
07.31.19 | Rent control is a lot more important than minimum wage increases but yeah should def be higher anyway
Used to be that companies would actually like you know pay their employees but in the last couple decades the amount of total jobs that have become minimum wage jobs has gotten completely out of control. Jobs that used to pay more are now minimum, and tons of new jobs are in the service industry which are predominatly minimum wage. It's easy to say "oh just learn a skill and get a higher wage job," but there straight up just aren't enough non minimum wage jobs to go around so a lot of people get left behind. The "just get a better job" argument really only works if you only care about yourself |
zakalwe
07.31.19 | Nice shiny buildings owned by foreign investors is the way forward. |
ConcubinaryCode
07.31.19 | The better question is what is the correct age of consent? |
Sevengill
07.31.19 | "It needs to be at least three times higher."
at least...THREE TIMES higher!
gold star reference |
Sevengill
07.31.19 | older than Conc, clearly |
ConcubinaryCode
07.31.19 | 😏🤙 |
Gallantin
07.31.19 | It's like $16 or 18 in Australia I think.
Everyone should automatically just get free housing and basic living expenses though, regardless of wage. |
ConcubinaryCode
07.31.19 | Could we ever live in that utopia? |
Josh D.
07.31.19 | At this point 20 would be more accurate. |
Snake.
07.31.19 | remember back in 2016 when all of those annoying bernie chuds salivated over the fact that he wanted to raise the minimum wage to $15/hr even though that's barely an affordable living wage |
ramon.
07.31.19 | minimum wage should be the minimum agreed |
WretchedCacophony
07.31.19 | didn't realize this thread would be a trollfest. I forgot where I was so I'll show myself out (: |
GhandhiLion
07.31.19 | Double the minimum wage for a decade to accelerate automation.
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GPooch21
07.31.19 | $0.00 |
Josh D.
07.31.19 | Of course some dumbass brings up McDonald's. Their CEO makes over 20 mil/a year, god forbid we lower that a tiny bit to make sure his employees can survive. Shut the fuck up. |
Calc
07.31.19 | what is minimum wage now? $7.25 or something in the US? |
StrikeOfTheBeast
07.31.19 | el correcto. |
artiswar
07.31.19 | If you raise the minimum wage too high then small businesses can no longer afford to pay their employees and go out of business, while the big corporations like McDonald's can eat the extra cost and absorb those left unemployed. It actually helps them in the long run, not hurts them. |
Calc
07.31.19 | true, can't tell ya how many restaurants and other small businesses that rely on unskilled labor closed when Seattle raised the minimum wage to $15. If they didn't do that they simply made those folks part time. It's too expensive to maintain and turn a profit at the same time |
DominionMM1
07.31.19 | the federal min wage is $7.25/hr but roughly 30 states have a higher min wage largely depending on cost of living |
RunOfTheMill
07.31.19 | Can anyone explain to me why Georgia's minimum wage is 5.15$/hr
like how is that legal if the federal minimu wage is 7.25$/hr?? |
DominionMM1
07.31.19 | most employers in georgia are subject to fsla standards which requires them to meet the $7.25/hr threshold. i believe the $5.15/hr thing is designed for very small local businesses that don’t generate much revenue. not sure what the effects of this are though. |
Trebor.
07.31.19 | If a small business can't afford to pay their workers a livable wage then they shouldn't be able to stay open |
dctarga
07.31.19 | Here in Oakland it's $13.80, but just across the bridge in SF it's $15.00. Both of which are way too low for trying to live anywhere within 30mi of the Bay.
Which is why I have an 80mi commute one way even though I make a decent amount more than minimum. Hooray California! |
zakalwe
07.31.19 | If minimum wage was 15 quid, a Greggs pastie would skyrocket to about £22.50. |
RunOfTheMill
07.31.19 | dctarga that sounds fucking awful fr |
dctarga
07.31.19 | Yeah, the only thing that keeps me sane is that I work 4 10.0hr days and have 2 weekdays off, so I only have to deal with traffic for 3 days. Plenty of time to jam music and listen to podcasts at least lol. |
Calc
07.31.19 | "If a small business can't afford to pay their workers a livable wage then they shouldn't be able to stay open"
what a myopic and shortsighted opinion, nice. |
Keyblade
07.31.19 | feel for u dude. commuting seems fun at first but quickly grinds u down |
zakalwe
07.31.19 | When you leave the filth of the city behind, step off the train into space and ‘normality’ it’s fucking exhilarating tbh |
Rawmeeth38
07.31.19 | 25 ¢/hour |
ffs
07.31.19 | $420.69 |
Rawmeeth38
07.31.19 | ^^^ |
zakalwe
07.31.19 | You know how you Americans love your food. You can’t just have a main meal it’s all sides of this, nibbles of that, further plates of something or other. Minimum wage goes up that’ll little lot will cost you about 230 dollars.
|
StrikeOfTheBeast
07.31.19 | Believe it or not, Nauru is the most obese country in the world. That doesn't excuse the overeating of my fellow 'muricans though. |
Rawmeeth38
07.31.19 | Need the appetizers and sides man |
DominionMM1
07.31.19 | it’s all about the all-you-can-eat wings my guys |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | "gold star reference"
Uh yeah, I was pretty surprised anyone was taking me seriously when I was quoting Derek Zoolander but alas, here we are.
The correct wage is $0.00, you dingbats.
Almost all of you have failed the test.
I award no gold stars for performance, but one for effort to sinternet. He tried. |
Deathconscious
07.31.19 | "Their CEO makes over 20 mil/a year, god forbid we lower that a tiny bit to make sure his employees can survive."
Maximum wage laws are a good idea. |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | List Closed for Posting by User |
StrikeOfTheBeast
07.31.19 | ok idiotican lol |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | Aight, boutta fuck y'all niggas up with some truth up in dis bih:
Mickey's has 200,000+ employees.
Divide that 20 million by that and we've got an extra 100 dollars per employee per year. Divide that by 2000 hours a year, and paying their CEO $0 a year would allow an increase of a nickel an hour.
You've solved it you dumbasses. |
DominionMM1
07.31.19 | i’m floored by this revelation |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | #beanie4prez |
DominionMM1
07.31.19 | #feelthebean |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | That's racist. |
GhandhiLion
07.31.19 | Here is the facts guys
https://youtu.be/HwcHRyvrNCE |
Deathconscious
07.31.19 | Whoa bro, you really just dropped that truth bomb on me ahrd. |
GhandhiLion
07.31.19 | No recovery for you |
DrMaximus
07.31.19 | The min wage should be whatever a business wants to pay its workers |
StrikeOfTheBeast
07.31.19 | Droppin' truth bombs like Vietnam |
TheSpaceMan
07.31.19 | anyone who thinks you can just up minimum wage and thatll make living off a minimum wage job affordable is a genuine idiot |
GhostB1rd
07.31.19 | JesusHitler is literally the only person in America who legally makes 0.50 an hour cause the employer was like, "Your honor, come ON" and he was like "Yeah, I can see it." |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | raising the minimum wage is basically a bandaid that falls off after a minute. if it even ends up being a living wage, it'll never stay that way for long |
TheSpaceMan
08.01.19 | "Trebor.
07.31.19
[Report this Post] If a small business can't afford to pay their workers a livable wage then they shouldn't be able to stay open"
yeah they wont because people wont work for them. why should they be obligated to pay you what you deem a livable wage to run their shitty failing small business? |
StrikeOfTheBeast
08.01.19 | O O F |
Nerdurosis
08.01.19 | 0.01 |
anarchistfish
08.01.19 | No wage |
Metro0092
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Deathconscious
08.01.19 | "No recovery for you"
None at all?? |
iglu
08.01.19 | 200 credits |
StrikeOfTheBeast
08.01.19 | "None at all??"
You could recover by getting a mediocre minimum wage retail job. It's not much, but it's something. |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | depends how many mouths u have to feed |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | Guess what percentage of individuals working in the U.S. earn the minimum wage. |
Meridiu5
08.01.19 | Im proud at how woke and far right sputnik is
There's no reason why it should be higher than 7$ |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | lol wtf 60% of ppl earn minimum wage aka "if I could pay u less u know damn well I would". that's actually wild |
PunchforPunch
08.01.19 | treb coming out as a neolib corporate shill, I like it. |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | @ Key
You misread that dawg.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2017/home.htm
Read up. |
MO
08.01.19 | should be 1000 per hour fuck it just throw basic economics out the window woooooo |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | yea I did read that wrong. was gonna say that was comforting but then in reality like I said it doesn't really matter what minimum wage is
it could be $100, but if u can't live on it then what's the point |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | The point is barely anybody makes it, and those who do are usually part-time teenagers using it for extra cash while studying or whatever. It's not a life sentence, and the average person who does enter the workforce at that level stays there VERY briefly before ascending the pay scale.
It's important to get your bearings correct on this. |
MO
08.01.19 | "it's always nice to see the oldhead metalheads sticking to their tried and true "i know nothing about politics or economics but i watched me some bloomberg once WOOOOO" hot takes"
guess that explains why I'm slaying at life. Good input kiddo!! |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | People are approaching this from the perspective of "I'm a high school student on Sputnikmusicdotcom and my local Pizza Hut said they'd only pay me $7.25 an hour. Woe is me." |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | that's my point, minimum wage is a red herring from all angles |
EoinCofa
08.01.19 | minimum wage will not be applicable soon enough
A.I., Droids, Drones, etc will take care of those jobs. Ex Machina here we come. |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | sach you already know you and I disagree strongly on metrics to determine the wellbeing of a nation's poor. I use things like life expectancy, square footage per person, access to utilities, presence of appliances, etc. and everything both domestically and internationally has skyrocketed in the past century alone and by 2100 the average poor person is going to be living like nobility of yore. |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | "thing is, if you set a low enough minimum, everyone can earn above it quite easily, however, that doesn't mean they'll earn enough to be able to survive comfortably."
lol this is exactly it. Ghost is just really good at hammering adjacent issues to obfuscate the real point |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | Those who "fall through the cracks" of capitalism over time become equivalent to the inner circle under a socialistic model. The best phone in the world that a Sheikh had not three years ago is now free with the purchase of a basic phone plan (which, btw, is subsidized in America). The poorest among us lag the richest by a historical blink. |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | the old fox news, if u have a smart phone ur not poor throwback |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | lol wtf right on cue haha |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | You can't just disregard technological innovation and act like that's a rational thing to do.
Pick anything you want. Medical care. Food access. ANYTHING. It's unrecognizable just one century ago. In another century the leap will be even bigger than the last.
"tHiS gUy Is sO pOoR hE dOeSn'T eVeN hAvE a RoBoT bUtLeR." - Beanie Saunders circa 2100. |
Tyler.
08.01.19 | redacted |
TheSpaceMan
08.01.19 | minimum wage hugely drives the value of the dollar, as unfortunate as it is, so upping it just scales everything. you're just adding a 0 to every monopoly bill and playing the same game. theres an issue here but thats not how you fix it |
TheSpaceMan
08.01.19 | i also think the argument that living standards are higher now is pretty weak when millions are living in debt to keep up with those standards. im all for a hard working life, but its placing a lot of people into overdrive to keep the system cyclical |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | sach we have stuff like CHIP, Medicaid, teaching hospitals, taxpayer covered ER visits, etc. Where are these people that are sane and lucid that have no access to care? |
TheSpaceMan
08.01.19 | 'so, in theory, you can counteract any effect raising the wage floor would have upon the dollar through effective legislation'
perhaps, but even at an unconscious level most people determine any type of work that requires prerequisite to be worth doing cause it pays more than 'unskilled' labor. so to keep that carrot there, it will creep up too. plus the age old conservative argument that the guy paying his employees now wants to charge more for their product to compensate has got to have some truth to it. |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | Anyway, gotta get some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs.
Be back at it tomorrow night, gents. |
TheSpaceMan
08.01.19 | I think the issue is the view society has on the labor itself, not the lack of legislation governing its payout. |
Dedes
08.01.19 | Just put your nose to the grind weaklings
I'm gonna be working 70 hours next week to being in that cash flow |
Dedes
08.01.19 | Btw I definitely think the minimum in big cities like NYC should be much higher than some random small town |
Dedes
08.01.19 | I dont know who/what you're talking about
|
Dedes
08.01.19 | In regards to the first comment |
TheSpaceMan
08.01.19 | 'there's a weird belief amongst managerial types that they could do EVERYTHING within the business without any help, they only employ help to make it easier'
there are few things in life that bother me more than unappreciative leaders |
Dedes
08.01.19 | You know I'm not being serious right
Working 70 hours fucking sucks lmao
|
Dedes
08.01.19 | Life sucks and were all on this sinking boat
May as well make it the best we can my dude.
Idk, maybe that's defeatist but I'm just sticking to my own path right now so I'm not gonna even PRETEND like I have some big answer to this. |
Dedes
08.01.19 | Of course man
I definitely want to do little things i can do directly to help the downtrodden, but on a government scale the issue is very complex and multifaceted and i cant pretend to know SHIT lmao. |
Gallantin
08.01.19 | We should bring back the guillotine |
Dedes
08.01.19 | Someone give this man a presidency |
Gallantin
08.01.19 | I don't think a violent revolution is necessarily that far off everyone's radar rn
It's where we're headed |
DrMaximus
08.01.19 | A violent revolution would be the most counterproductive thing obviously. of course there are many problems that need to be fixed but the idea that a revolution and destroying society with the goal of rebuilding it to make it better would be an absurd one. |
Funeralopolis
08.01.19 | Biggest issue isn't even minimum wage it is housing prices |
Gallantin
08.01.19 | Again, when we live in countries that have enough houses to home every single person, housing should be free for all. Nobody should have to trade labour for shelter and survival. Landlords are a parasite. |
zakalwe
08.01.19 | Entitled |
Gallantin
08.01.19 | Yeah, everyone is entitled to shelter and housing, agreed. |
zakalwe
08.01.19 | You going to build it are ya? |
Gallantin
08.01.19 | It's already built. There's more than enough housing (at least in Australia) to house the entire population and then some. |
zakalwe
08.01.19 | Squatters rights over here in the UK. They really add character to the gaff. Lovely people. |
ian b
08.01.19 | $420/hr
ian b presidency 2036 vote for me |
Gallantin
08.01.19 | They seem nicer than you |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | "You can't just disregard technological innovation and act like that's a rational thing to do.
Pick anything you want. Medical care. Food access. ANYTHING. It's unrecognizable just one century ago. In another century the leap will be even bigger than the last.
"tHiS gUy Is sO pOoR hE dOeSn'T eVeN hAvE a RoBoT bUtLeR." - Beanie Saunders circa 2100"
the point is that what good is a cheap robot butler in 2100 when u can barely afford a roof over ur head and/or medical costs?
u can buy a decent smartphone for $100. it's more powerful than PC's that cost thousands of dollars even 10 years ago
but you'd have the exact same capacity to afford necessities as u did 10 years ago despite being able to now incidentally afford far more computing power than u did then. which is why it's such a conveniently arbitrary metric to measure poverty. why take an honest look at household income vs cost of living when u can just point to the red herring of technology? |
Gallantin
08.01.19 | Imagine believing being able to put yourself onto debt on a phone plan for 2 years means that somehow the impoverishment of the lower class doesn't exist |
Pon
08.01.19 | Average house in Australia costs 650k but we don't know how good we have it that appliances got cheaper nahm'sayin? |
Gallantin
08.01.19 | I'm payin $50 a month over two years for a phone but dang that new home is just outta reach |
Pon
08.01.19 | If you put your spare change in a jar and stopped buying nekrogobliconik goatwranglerz patches you could afford a house
priorities bro it's all priorities |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | dude the average house here in TO costs $900k, or $2300 to rent a 1 bedroom apartment, it's actually crazy |
zakalwe
08.01.19 | Globalism |
Pon
08.01.19 | I'm fairly sure the average house in Sydney comfortably tops $1M now
A lot of money to live in our worst major city |
Gallantin
08.01.19 | On my 30k a year salary i can afford a house in approx. 300 years |
zakalwe
08.01.19 | Sydney is incredible. Mosman Bay brings a tear to the eye at how beautiful it is. I have no doubt the houses are about a trillion quid but even so it’s one of the best cities on the planet. |
Feather
08.01.19 | hoppin in more the memes |
PunchforPunch
08.01.19 | 30k? dude what are you doing |
sexilexi
08.01.19 | 0 |
RunOfTheMill
08.01.19 | Toronto is retarded - I've had people tell me they're happy sharing an apartment 4-ways paying 1600$-1800$ for a room each. How the fuck is that liveable |
RunOfTheMill
08.01.19 | I share an apartment with my gf and one extra for 1700$ total in Montreal, and that's pretty expensive for here |
Keyblade
08.01.19 | bro you'd have a stampede over here for $1700 lol |
ian b
08.01.19 | used to live in a house until the IRS basically pillaged and raped the entirety of south florida after Hurricane Irma lol. now i'm in a decent apartment for $1650 a month, which is actually pretty good for around here. on the other coast though, it's getting insane. i mean, their loss because they're gonna be the first to go once the water starts rising over Florida but i digress lmao |
Gallantin
08.01.19 | "30k? dude what are you doing"
It's not actually a salary I get paid on an hourly basis for a low-level leadership position of a grocery store night team and my last year's earnings were a lowly $30k |
iglu
08.01.19 | "minimum wage will not be applicable soon enough
A.I., Droids, Drones, etc will take care of those jobs. Ex Machina here we come."
I was just hearing about that today, sounds like a lot of unemployment in the near future. |
Dedes
08.01.19 | Christ you guys live in some costly regions.
A fairly good apartment wont rack you up more than a grand a month here but maybe the difference between small towns and big cities are just that vast. |
Egarran
08.01.19 | Did someone say Christ? Abandon material wealth, work only to further divinity in all things. God will care for your needs. |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | "why take an honest look at household income vs cost of living when u can just point to the red herring of technology?"
*speaking about the U.S.*
Home ownership rates have been steady for 50 years, the average size home has more than doubled in that timeframe, is insanely more equipped, has much nicer material quality, etc.
It's like saying a car price has risen more than inflation, when any car you get now from Hyundai is better than Bentleys of less than a generation ago.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Everything is way nicer than its counterpart in decades past.
Life expectancy is 10% higher now than just 50 years ago, DESPITE people being way more obese. It's apparent that medical access and treatments have improved significantly for even the poorest Americans.
The reality is that expectations change. A poor man's life today is infinitely nicer than an upper class person's life in 1900. |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | And ditto for a poor person's life in 2100 versus an upper class person's life in 2000.
And again for the century thereafter. |
Egarran
08.01.19 | It's about $17 in Denmark but then again you have to pay 40% tax, because we live in a socialist nightmare, but then again education and healthcare is free because we live in a socialist dream state. |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/08/why-do-danish-americans-do-better-than-danes.html
Feel the beanie.
Buy the book if you want all the data, but the highlights are all you need to stop being a smartass. |
Egarran
08.01.19 | Didn't even know I was being a smartass. Remember we all want the same thing. There is no need for this eager division, my friend. |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | I'm not your friend, guy. |
KjSwantko
08.01.19 | Just make it a million dollars/hour. I mean if we're gonna pretend economics don't matter, let's just go all the way and ensure everyone is a millionaire. |
ramon.
08.01.19 | Everyone should just move to Geraldton, Western Australia. Great beach life. Two McDonalds branches. Sand dunes. Casual racism. Nice houses are cheap as fuck. Local cinema takes EFTPOS. Farmers sound funny. |
GhostB1rd
08.01.19 | Houses are cheap af in the South and Midwest.
"BuT I wOn'T bE iN tHe CiTy ThO"
You can't afford that city life, bb. |
TheSpaceMan
08.01.19 | @Gallantin are you being serious? have you actually thought this through?
what about every single person who currently owns the houses? the people who built those houses waiting for a return on their investments. the banks that loaned mortgages to people who havent paid off their homes. the people who spent half their paychecks and then some to own their beautiful houses. should only houses be free? apartments, the shittier form of a home, shouldnt be though right? your idea is entitled and so beyond impracticable that I feel like youre joking. |
GhostB1rd
08.02.19 | Here's my feasible plan:
- A Bugatti in every (4-car!!) garage, minimum 10,000 sq. ft. per (free!!) home, all you can eat A-5 Wagyu is complimentary at every grocer, everybody gets 2 weeks comped on a super yacht during peak season (gotta ration obvs.), free entertainment of any kind from birth til death...
Beanie wants free shit for everyone. I'm promising free LUXURY for everyone. Don't be a fascist. Don't vote for Beanie and his draconian austerity. |
Gallantin
08.02.19 | "what about every single person who currently owns the houses? the people who built those houses waiting for a return on their investments. the banks that loaned mortgages to people who havent paid off their homes. the people who spent half their paychecks and then some to own their beautiful houses. should only houses be free? apartments, the shittier form of a home, shouldnt be though right? your idea is entitled and so beyond impracticable that I feel like youre joking."
Lol fuck all thw fuckheads who bought two houses whilst thousands starve locked away in detention centres and others are homeless or fighting oaycheck to paycheck against abusive landlords. |
Gallantin
08.02.19 | Alsp DOUBLE FUCK the banks lol jfc |
Gallantin
08.02.19 | "Oh no the poor banks who wont see returns on their exploitative mortgages"
Lol fucking hell some people are bootlickong cowards |
Egarran
08.02.19 | You feel so sorry for Americans and Brits these days. They have willfully allowed intense populist corruption into their system.
And what do they do? Constantly feign surprise and then talk, talk, talk. How their leaders manage to keep the population defanged is a wonder - when the massive injustices are right there in front of them.
I suppose Steinbeck's explanation still holds up:
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
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zakalwe
08.02.19 | ‘How their leaders manage to keep the population defanged is a wonder’
Drugs
Booze
Shiny products
Criminalise expressive language and thought
Treat the criminal as victim
Treat the victim as criminal
The worship of false idols
Promote nihilism
It all contributes |
Egarran
08.02.19 | True. Sports and gambling are up there too.
Then comes the question: Why do people ignore this manipulation, or even proudly swear allegiance to it?
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zakalwe
08.02.19 |
Ignorance is bliss
People have too much to worry about as it is.
Thick as fucking shit
There’s literally fuck all you can do about it
It’s the same old story.
New boss same as the old boss. |
StrikeOfTheBeast
08.02.19 | The upside I do see to "minimum wage" is that it seems to encourage some people to pursue a better, higher paying career whether it be a trade or something that isn't an eight dollar and hour job at McDonald's twenty hours a week. |
Egarran
08.02.19 | >encourage some people to pursue a better, higher paying career
The beatings will continue until morale improves. |
DominionMM1
08.02.19 | randy blythe will be our economic savior |
TheSpaceMan
08.02.19 | "Oh no the poor banks who wont see returns on their exploitative mortgages"
dude, you like actually just see things at face value and completely self centered, and its incredibly concerning . fuck banks theyre corrupt as fuck, but do you realize how instantaneously the economy of your country would collapse if the banks got mortgages severed? you're legitimately the least sensible person i've ever heard drop political and economic opinions, by a huge margin. thats a pretty intense title to wield |
TheSpaceMan
08.02.19 | am i the only one who thinks this guy is either still getting rides to school from his mom, or just gives 0 thought to anything he's posted in this thread? |
Gameofmetal
08.02.19 | Im not reading 200 comments but hopefully someone here realizes that it depends on location and wages should vary depending on the cost of living wherever you are. |
Gallantin
08.02.19 | "but do you realize how instantaneously the economy of your country would collapse"
Well no shits its not a revolution if we leave everything as-is |
EoinCofa
08.02.19 | “it depends on location and wages should vary depending on the cost of living wherever you are.”
TRUE |
GhostB1rd
08.03.19 | "am i the only one who thinks this guy is either still getting rides to school from his mom, or just gives 0 thought to anything he's posted in this thread?"
You have to remember the average Sput user has yet to develop any marketable job skills or pay any meaningful amount of taxes. |
zakalwe
08.03.19 | The average sput user is yet to develop a set of bollocks tbh |
DominionMM1
08.03.19 | “Well no shits its not a revolution if we leave everything as-is”
ok so you’ve destroyed the current system; what now? |
Gallantin
08.03.19 | Raise Lenin from the dead |
zakalwe
08.03.19 | ‘ok so you’ve destroyed the current system; what now?’
Well from each according to their ability to each according to their need obvs.
Once this is in place there will never be any hate, competition, disparity, want, requirement, assistance, necessity or any sort of problem whatsoever.
I say this because the human being is a race and is therefore exactly the same on a psychological level. It’s only outside programming that derails us so if there is a system in place that disposed of any necessity to impose control we will all co-exist with one another peacefully.
Obviously there would still be requirements for drugs, promiscuity and an outlet for primal urges and by these urges I mean sexual relations with dolphins.
It’s all so easy and it could be brought about in about a week if we wanted it to....I know I do
🌈 🐬 💦
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TheSpaceMan
08.03.19 | Dolphins are mammals zak, is that okay? |
Pon
08.03.19 | Dolphins are evil, we are just lucky they lack fingers let alone opposable thumbs |
Egarran
08.03.19 | Zak's best post right there ❤
Remember kids, we are three days away from utopia. Or doom.
What side are YOU on? *Points accusingly* |
zakalwe
08.03.19 | ‘Dolphins are evil, we are just lucky they lack fingers let alone opposable thumbs’
See it’s this sort of attitude that will get us nowhere and completely sickens me. I am attracted to and like to fuck dolphins. When me and Duncan (my current dolphin partner) have made love there is a connection there that goes beyond the mere earthly bond of shared experience.
He nuzzles his bottlenose into my neck and clicks into my ear and I understand the true meaning of love. Of course it helps that Duncan is an absolute bombshell. |
Egarran
08.03.19 | Hell, you don't have to convince us. |
MrHarrison
08.03.19 | I mean, changes from country to country surely. The minimum wage should be enough to cover rent, food, bills, etc. if you're working a 40 hour week. |