Muhlysa
01.23.19 | Nah |
guitarded_chuck
01.23.19 | boom roasted |
rabidfish
01.23.19 | just hope it gets a badass soundtrack like S1, because S2's was pretty disappointing in that regard (and all the others, too) |
Muhlysa
01.23.19 | Yesss Melvins anyone !! |
Muhlysa
01.23.19 | A history of bad man |
JeetJeet
01.23.19 | So far its a vast improvement over that trash ass season 2. |
Deez
01.23.19 | Its been great so far. |
Larkinhill
01.23.19 | Really good so far. |
Rowan5215
01.23.19 | show has always been made by its direction more than anything else, kinda thinking the difference in quality will be pretty stark when the Saulnier episodes are done but it's decent so far |
Chortles
01.23.19 | Ohh wow I forgot Saulnier was directing a few eps. Rad |
MO
01.23.19 | couldn't even get into season 1. it was just so miserable to the point that I needed to just get away from it lol |
Muhlysa
01.23.19 | I never watched season 2 . Should I keep it that way? I mean colin Farrell is such a tall drink of handsome . I mean I'd fucked Bobby Cannavale over him anyday |
JeetJeet
01.23.19 | Saulnier only directed the first two. |
Muhlysa
01.23.19 | Why cant he be in true detective. He was fucking dope in Vinyl ! Now theres a soundtrack that's insane |
JeetJeet
01.23.19 | Farrell's character is literally the only good part about season 2. The season as a whole is a convoluted boring mess with Vince Vaughn giving a laughably bad performance complete with terrible dialogue. |
Muhlysa
01.23.19 | Damn I didnt know the name saulnier but Greenroom ! |
Larkinhill
01.23.19 | Yeah Saulnier directed the first two and I noticed this past Sunday’s ep wasn’t directed by Saulnier, and wasn’t quite as good. Didn’t feel like that much happened — but I think things will quickly escalate in the next two Eps. |
Rowan5215
01.23.19 | oh are we past all the Saulnier episodes already? lmao that's a trip
I feel like Pizzolatto is a huge fucking asshole who just drives away all the great directors he works with and it's so goddamn frustrating. imagine a whole Saulnier season |
butcherboy
01.23.19 | I’ve got faith.. he’s taken his time, Mahershala Ali is a great actor, and David Mitch is co-writing.. the man is one of the best tv writers around |
Rowan5215
01.23.19 | Pizzo's writing is a grab-bag of nihilism, godawful hard-boiled detective dialogue and enough of a touch of Chambers/Lovecraft for Fukunaga to make some amazing horror imagery out of. he certainly has a level of talent in cohering all these elements into a somewhat whole season of TV, it must be said, but anyone who's seen S2 knows he's just not the auteur unforeseen genius level writer that S1 convinced us all he was. HBO has blessed this man with access to the best directors and actors you could possibly want and his material rises to the occasion... sometimes, but they're the reason we'll remember this show 10 years down the line |
DominionMM1
01.23.19 | didn’t a bunch of people write s2 because pizzolatto hadn’t finished it and hbo wanted it done asap? |
Muhlysa
01.23.19 | Shameless bump |
DominionMM1
01.23.19 | “just hope it gets a badass soundtrack like S1”
they’ve already included two mickey newbury songs so they’re off to a great start |
DrGonzo1937
01.23.19 | i'm enjoying season 3, but it isn't grabbing me like the first two.
you can hate on season 2 all you want, but at least that tried to do its own thing. this season is very "safe" imo, it rides very close to season 1's beats and formula, only now, instead of two timelines we get three!! wowzers |
DrGonzo1937
01.23.19 | " but anyone who's seen S2 knows he's just not the auteur unforeseen genius level writer that S1 convinced us all he was."
tbf, pizzo spent, like, 15 years writing the first season. he had about a year to write season 2 lol. and honestly, it's a solid season, it just has troubles wrapping everything up in 8 episodes. he should have either cut out a couple of characters or extended the season to 13 episodes or something |
DominionMM1
01.23.19 | i think this season isnt as much playing it safe as it is just more in line with pizzolatto’s style |
Rowan5215
01.24.19 | season 2 is indefensibly bad. literally we all know the line I can quote to demonstrate how insufferably terrible and self-indulgently tryhard shit that season was and I've never heard a single good defense against it. if there any saving graces in that season they're all thanks to the acting and not a single line of the writing
(Season 1 is far from perfect too but like I said, it's that perfect brew of acting and directing that elevates the less good moments and matches the great ones) |
Rowan5215
01.24.19 | "it rides very close to season 1's beats and formula, only now, instead of two timelines we get three!! wowzers"
yeah I do agree with this. feels like the pitch for this season was "what if s1... but alzheimer's???" *HBO executives applaud* |
Slex
01.24.19 | Well I think the new season is mesmerizing and has a much more grounded tone than the first. Also all the performances are exceptional but tbh Scoot Mcnairy is my MVP so far |
trilo
01.24.19 | s2 was ok. don't think it's the trainwreck people make it out to be, but it's definitely not good either.
this season rules so far though. not a big fan of him aping the timeline shit from s1, but this season seems much more plot centric than s1 (where the plot was mostly irrelevant) so it distinguishes itself from the first. i dig it |
JWT155
01.24.19 | S2 was one of the worst season's of tv I've ever seen, I don't even think there's anything redeaming about it. |
hal1ax
01.24.19 | dude what there's a new season? fuck.. at&t has sent me 3 warning letters already threatening to ban my IP for torrenting HBO shows but i may just have to nut up and get this new season handled |
hal1ax
01.24.19 | and yea i honestly hated S2 it was the most convoluted shit of all time |
Slex
01.24.19 | Season 2 was a jaw dropping pissing of the bed, out of context it's still egregiously awful, but then coming after S1? Holy fuck lmao |
rabidfish
01.24.19 | @hal get sum VPN, yo |
DrGonzo1937
01.24.19 | "and yea i honestly hated S2 it was the most convoluted shit of all time"
How was it convoluted? It wasn't the most fleshed out of stories, but I can't say it was difficult to follow. |
Muhlysa
01.24.19 | Still haven't seen season 2 not sure if I should bother. |
TheSpaceMan
01.24.19 | That's when the rats came. |
thecheatisnotdead
01.24.19 | Not like you really need to, since they're all stand-alone. |
Muhlysa
01.28.19 | Anyone seen episode 4 yet ? I'm just about to start it. Ugh I saw a reddit title that might have spoiled it |
Slex
01.28.19 | Yeah I watched it earlier. A bit slow but Ali's best performance yet |
Muhlysa
01.28.19 | He is awesome. I remember seeing him in Moonlight spectacular performance |
Muhlysa
01.28.19 | Just finished it. Ya slow but its ramping up! I enjoyed it |
GhostB1rd
01.28.19 | "at&t has sent me 3 warning letters already threatening to ban my IP for torrenting HBO shows"
Bruh. BRUH. Just pay up they deserve it for their content. |
GhostB1rd
01.28.19 | *said the guy who just streams all his music for free from YouTube* |
GhostB1rd
01.28.19 | *and has ad-blocker on top of that so that ads don't even play* |
Muhlysa
01.28.19 | You need a new system lmao |
GhostB1rd
01.28.19 | Don't fuck with my way of life. |
Muhlysa
01.28.19 | Eek |
Muhlysa
01.28.19 | Here's my hbo go password fuckoff |
Muhlysa
01.28.19 | Just kidding . But if you cant add to the discussion imma start deleting |
Deez
01.28.19 | I can't understand half of the old guys dialogue it's probably an accent thing but it's the first time it's ever happened to me and it's kinda ruining the 3rd season which is great |
DominionMM1
01.29.19 | yeah i have to turn on the cc for certain scenes |
Slex
01.29.19 | I always watch with subtitles so no problem here |
Rowan5215
01.29.19 | lmao I just copped that the show he's getting interviewed for in 2015 is called 'True Criminal'. fuckin brilliant |
DominionMM1
01.29.19 | anyone else see the pic of rust and marty in the teaser for ep 5? |
TheSpaceMan
01.30.19 | the most obvious direction this is going in is hoyt foods runs a pedo ring, the soul-of-a-whore mom somehow got her kids involved with it. the detective's wife is hinted to be in on it too since she teaches the kids and is manipulating the case. at least that what it feels like the show is screaming at us, esp given the parallels to s1, might just be a well played red herring in the form of a nod to s1 |
Rowan5215
02.01.19 | I /really/ enjoyed ep 4 but I hope pedo ring isn't the way this season is going because it's already played wayyyy too close to season 1 in terms of major plot beats
loving the theory that Amelia is the killer, give me a huge fuckin twist like that this season pls |
hal1ax
02.01.19 | "it's already played wayyyy too close to season 1 in terms of major plot beats"
100% agree. it's actually starting to feel a little tedious in that regard so yea i also hope they branch off into something more interesting and distinguished soon |
Slex
02.01.19 | Would hate the pedo ring/religion/conspiracy angle as well
This season has been much more intimate and way more plot heavy so Nic seriously has to deliver on the killer this season (failed miserably the first 2 seasons lol) |
hal1ax
02.01.19 | "the detective's wife is hinted to be in on it too since she teaches the kids and is manipulating the case."
hmmm... u think so? idk if i'm feeling this.. but the rest of what you said seems on point @space |
hal1ax
02.01.19 | wait how has the detective's wife manipulated the case? and how are we determining whether or not this manipulation is deliberate |
Rowan5215
02.01.19 | if you go into every Amelia/Wayne scene with the idea that she's working him for information they all start to look a lot more sinister, like the dinner scene last ep she gets a lot of information from him about his past without saying anything about hers except that she "made some mistakes" or something like that. episode before she distracts him from staking out the mall where Julie showed up by suggesting they fuck in the motel. episode before that when they meet in the bar she asks him "so did you look me up" with regards to him being a cop with a very intense look on her face. it's all speculation of course but what with the kids having this "aunt" who gave them toys out in the woods, it's not a huge leap that it could be the only female character we've seen who has a good relationship with the children in the show |
Rowan5215
02.01.19 | ppl are thinking that Wayne solved the case in '90 but the trauma of realising what his wife did caused him to blackout and lose all his memories of it, and in the 2015 timeline he's going to rediscover what he knows Memento-style |
GhostB1rd
02.01.19 | Wasn't there a hint that the boy slipped and fell and that his death was not malicious? |
Slex
02.01.19 | I'm pretty convinced that Will's death was an accident, yeah |
hal1ax
02.01.19 | oh fuck.... @rowan |
Rowan5215
02.01.19 | def possible but someone still moved him a fair distance from where he died, put him in that cave and posed his hands into a prayer emoji, that shit's definitely malicious |
hal1ax
02.01.19 | lol fck i need to rewatch this shit now |
GhostB1rd
02.01.19 | I mean it could be CYA cause it's really bad optics playing with kids in the woods that aren't your own. |
Slex
02.01.19 | The prayer thing is definitely weird but not necessarily malicious imo, to me, going on the notion that it was an accident, I'd see it as the 'killer's' creepy way of honoring him |
Rowan5215
02.01.19 | on another note I'm surprised no-one mention the Amelia/Lucy scene in episode 4, I thought that was fucking incredible. when she was rocking back and forth saying "god forgive me" was an amazing piece of acting and writing. soooo uncomfortable
Scoot McNairy has been killing it too, but everyone who's seen Halt and Catch Fire knew he would fuckin rule |
hal1ax
02.01.19 | hmm this may be a stretch but i guess in hindsight, in that scene where Amelia is having a heart-to-heart with, uhh, the soul-of-a-whore chick, like right as she's beginning to really build rapport she says something uncharacteristically obtuse and sets her off which then makes her suspicious of wayne / not amenable to divulging anything thereafter |
Rowan5215
02.01.19 | if we're running with the idea that Amelia is the killer then yeah you could definitely read that scene as her trying to pump Lucy for information/see if she knows or suspects anything. there's also been way too much dialogue about Lucy running around on Tom/having affairs for that not to be significant later, I'm thinking Tom prolly wasn't Julie's bio father |
Slex
02.01.19 | Scoot is giving the best performance this season imo, god he's incredible |
hal1ax
02.01.19 | i'm really hoping they don't use wayne's memory impairment to drive some gimmicky / trite plot twist. i mean obviously it's going to be an instrumental part of whatever happens i just hope it isn't some hamfisted m night shyamalamadingdong bullshit |
Rowan5215
02.01.19 | hal don't u know it's the Shyamalanaissance, we can't talk shit about him anymore |
GhostB1rd
02.01.19 | Didn't he make a movie about Mark Wahlberg being attacked by plants? |
Slex
02.01.19 | Never forget |
DominionMM1
02.01.19 | “Would hate the pedo ring/religion/conspiracy angle as well
This season has been much more intimate and way more plot heavy so Nic seriously has to deliver on the killer this season (failed miserably the first 2 seasons lol)”
i think the pedo ring conspiracy is just a red herring being thrown out there. while i think the plot points are similar it’s not entirely unexpected as this is part of a series written primarily by one person
and no he did not fail on the killer in season 1 |
rabidfish
02.01.19 | S1 fake and switch worked perfectly... From cosmic horror to fat ugly retard. I hate when they romanticize murderers and psychopaths. At the end of things, most if not all of them are just awful, awful people with absolutely no redeeming qualities what so ever. Fuck Hannibal Lecter. |
Slex
02.01.19 | It was a huge middle finger to the audience, which is thematically interesting on paper but fucking sucked in execution |
DominionMM1
02.01.19 | i just think that you needed something horrible and bizarre like childress and his house/maze to match the vile crimes that were committed. it really worked well with the lovecraftian lore in the first season.
i’m curious as to what you thought was bad about the execution |
Slex
02.01.19 | I loved the showdown itself, just... They took misleading the audience way over the top imo. Most people I know disagree with me as well so idk |
DominionMM1
02.01.19 | misleading? Do you mean making people think rust was the killer? |
rabidfish
02.01.19 | never took personal offense, i thought it was clever, made sense in the world and the rules of the world the show created for itself. Satisfying conclusion. |
Slex
02.01.19 | I mean the identity of the killer was never important whatsoever but they built it up so much. Rabidfish makes a great point and like I said, thematically that's an interesting and confrontational choice, but the actual reveal just fell flat to me |
rabidfish
02.01.19 | i remember just after it finished airing many people thought the ending was lackluster, too, but most of those people (at least, the ones i know) came around.
What were you expecting ,exactly? |
DominionMM1
02.01.19 | hm maybe because i binge watched the first season i didn’t find the reveal disappointing but if you were watching it week to week i guess i could see why it might be disappointing as you’d have time in between each episode to stew on everything that happened that week |
Slex
02.01.19 | I was absolutely obsessed with the Lovecraft elements and fully expected the show to go somewhere absolutely wild lol |
DominionMM1
02.01.19 | i mean in a sense they did. everything about the childress property was insane from the horder like house to the corpse in the shed to the tree lined tunnels to the cavernous throne room |
Slex
02.01.19 | Oh yeah, like I said, I absolutely loved the showdown itself, it was pretty awesome |
DominionMM1
02.01.19 | for me the first season is about as perfect as any single season of television. my only nitpick if i had one would be some of the meta dialogue but matty mac pulls it off so well that it’s not really an issue. |
Larkinhill
02.01.19 | Episode 5 is up on HBO Go apparently. Early because of the Super Bowl. |
StrikeOfTheBeast
02.01.19 |
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Faraudo
02.01.19 | "for me the first season is about as perfect as any single season of television. my only nitpick if i had one would be some of the meta dialogue but matty mac pulls it off so well that it’s not really an issue."
I re-watched it a couple of days ago for the first time since it aired, and while it's a great season of TV with incredible acting and amazing episodes, it's also a little bit overrated. |
Slex
02.01.19 | It holds up for me, and mcconna-however the fuck you spell it gives the best TV performance I've ever seen
Also holy shit sweet yeah new episode is out early |
DominionMM1
02.01.19 | woody’s performance was incredible too |
Slex
02.01.19 | Oh yeah absolutely, it does get looked over unfortunately but he was damn phenomenal too |
DominionMM1
02.01.19 | anyone else listen to the flat circle podcast? |
Larkinhill
02.02.19 | Season 1 is some of the best TV ever made. Will admit the climax was underwhelming though. |
trilo
02.02.19 | man the conversation at the end between wayne and roland in the newest ep was so good |
DominionMM1
02.02.19 | that’s one thing that really hope they focus on in these last few episodes. part of what made season 1 so good and season 2 so bad was the relationship (or lack thereof in the latter) between the protagonists |
GhostB1rd
02.02.19 | Dialogue between Wayne and Roland so far has been ace. |
hal1ax
02.02.19 | wait is ep 5 rly out rn ??? |
trilo
02.02.19 | they put it up for streaming early b/c of the super bowl i think |
Larkinhill
02.02.19 | Yup |
DominionMM1
02.02.19 | yeah i didn’t realize that until i saw this thread this morning |
Rowan5215
02.05.19 | kinda feel like nothing substantial happened in that episode, maybe just because 4 was one of the best episodes of the show
ending scene was pretty stunning tho |
Winesburgohio
02.05.19 | Ending scene made me feel things I didn't want to feel |
JeetJeet
02.05.19 | That call in the interrogation room + Wayne's realization that the backpack was planted seems pretty substantial. |
JeetJeet
02.05.19 | Gotta give props to Pizzolotto for going this far in s3 without any shitty dialogues between characters. The lines in s2 were so cringe and that was a huge concern of mine for s3. |
Rowan5215
02.05.19 | yea dialogue has been infinitely better this season, that exchange at the end! Roland's "it's alright, man" in response to him apologising for something he didn't remember doing wrecked me |
Slex
02.05.19 | Dorff's performance has been stunning too, he keeps finding ways to surprise me. That was one of the best scenes of the whole show to date. |
Rowan5215
02.05.19 | ya he's been one of the best if not the best performer
*TEASER SPOILERS HERE*
*LOOK OUT*
so uh that scene with Marty and Rust on Eliza's computer that was teased wasn't in episode 5? unless I completely missed it |
DoofDoof
02.05.19 | this season is great but people have to stop shitting on season 2 |
JeetJeet
02.05.19 | Sorry Doof but s2 will always catch slander as long as this show exists. There's no other way around it. |
DoofDoof
02.05.19 | It started slow but by the end season 2 was real good, maybe finished stronger than season 1 which had a 'just ok' ending compared to all the build up |
hal1ax
02.05.19 | yea it actually did have a decent last couple eps, i'll give u that. holistically it was really subpar imo though |
JeetJeet
02.05.19 | The majority of the season was a dumpster fire. Sure it became somewhat better but that's like making a turd sandwich and then removing the turd from between the buns and still serving it to someone. It went from being horrible to just not being actively horrible. I'll give it some credit tho. Velcoro was an awesome character and seeing Farrell completely kill that role was nice. Rachel McAdams was cool too. |
DoofDoof
02.05.19 | 1st season was 9/10, 2nd season 6/10 - anything else is going overboard in the ol’ criticism imo |
rabidfish
02.05.19 | weird, i always thought S2 had a solid start and then got progressively more boring and self-serious beyond parody. |
Rowan5215
02.05.19 | I really like Frank's death in s2 with the four hallucinations, not gonna lie. Velcoro getting a hint of how he dies in a dream is cool too, v twin peaks |
Slex
02.05.19 | Farrell is eternally underrated and gave it the ol college try for sure |
TheSpaceMan
02.05.19 | season 2 is closer to a 4 in my honest opinion. i get thinking it gets too much flak |
TheSpaceMan
02.05.19 | i like Frank's line about the suit |
Rowan5215
02.05.19 | Farrell is one of the best actors of his generation but he had some shitty fucking lines to deliver |
Winesburgohio
02.06.19 | i don't think any of the cast were bad (except McAdams and Kitsch) but as stated the dialogue was egregious and hammy, actually impressed that Farrell and Vaughn managed to wring some pathos out of that sophomoric shit |
Slex
02.06.19 | Uh.......hm. Vaughn's performance was alternately hysterical and very painful. Personally one of the worst I've ever seen, I genuinely felt bad for him. |
Rowan5215
02.06.19 | Vaughn was great! McAdams was also great, I'm surprised to see her singled out as a weak point tbh. Kitsch of course was vacuous and a black hole of talent *pulls blowjob face* |
JeetJeet
02.06.19 | Yea Vaughn could not pull off any of those lines. Seeing him stare at the ceiling and wax poetic about a fuckin ceiling stain was a real low point for the series. |
JeetJeet
02.06.19 | On the flipside there were some genuinely funny moments, like Ani coming back from the orgy emotionally shook and Velcoro's like "Want me to roll a joint?" |
JeetJeet
02.06.19 | Or Ani talking to her father about her sister
Ani: She's doing porn
Her Dad: Well...what is porn? |
Rowan5215
02.06.19 | I love Velcoro's "take a pain med" and Kitsch pops open the glovebox to like ten different types of alcohol |
Winesburgohio
02.06.19 | what you all have to understand is that i love Kelly Reilly a lot and actually kind of wish her and McAdams had their roles reversed |
Slex
02.06.19 | McAdams was pretty strong yeah, that baffles me. Kitsch was more nonexistent than overtly weak tbh |
Slex
02.06.19 | I thought Kelly Reilly's performance was awful too :/ different strokes for different folks I spose |
rabidfish
02.06.19 | oh yea kelly reilly is a total babe and i like her a hell lot more than McAdams. |
GhostB1rd
02.06.19 | You're no butt man, that much is certain. |
rabidfish
02.06.19 | bruh
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hal1ax
02.11.19 | that fuckin episode .. |
GhostB1rd
02.11.19 | Shoutout to his son for tappin' the #2 piece on the show thus far. |
Rowan5215
02.11.19 | this shit is goin full Twin Peaks, that last shot tho |
rabidfish
02.11.19 | I like these characters. I relate to them and feel for them, even when i don't agree with/understand their actions and motivations.
THIS IS GOOD TV. |
Rowan5215
02.11.19 | agreed. interrogation scene this ep was fucking insane too. scoot mcnairy is a god |
Deez
02.11.19 | great episode. Scoot is fantastic in this indeed |
JeetJeet
02.11.19 | Jesus those final few minutes...wow. |
trilo
02.11.19 | yo that episode tho |
dbizzles
02.11.19 | UGH I don't get to watch the episodes until Thursdays and it sucks because I've really been digging this season. |
Slex
02.12.19 | That episode was goddamned astonishing
Give Scoot all of the awards NOW, that interrogation scene was viscerally heart wrenching |
DominionMM1
02.12.19 | the landscaper outside the halfway house has something to do with it |
trilo
02.12.19 | yeah, it's the same kid who told roland and wayne about the dolls. sus |
DominionMM1
02.12.19 | this season has been so good thus far
only 2 eps left and a shitload of questions that still need answering |
hal1ax
02.12.19 | Scoot about to get shanked |
Winesburgohio
02.12.19 | scoot might have just supplanted ali damn what a performance |
DominionMM1
02.12.19 | dorff has been incredible too |
Rowan5215
02.12.19 | Scoot's scream was like Matthew-Lillard-in-The-Return levels of fucking uncomfortable |
hal1ax
02.12.19 | veins bulging from his head... and that look he gives as their intimation of his possible guilt dawns on him in the interrogation scene... like he's just lost in the ruins of his own psychic collapse |
Slex
02.12.19 | Dorff was mesmerizing in that interrogation too, you could see his pain. His relationship with both Wayne and Tom is v touching |
GhostB1rd
02.12.19 | This has been a return to form season. |
Slex
02.12.19 | Agree, this latest was one of the very best episodes the show has produced imo |
JeetJeet
02.12.19 | So anyone else subscribing to the Roland might be gay theory? I'm not yet but I've seen people make some compelling cases for it |
Slex
02.12.19 | Thought had never crossed my mind tbh
Tbh I hope he's not, he's so compassionate and delicate under his gruff exterior and idk I wouldn't be a fan of it being ascribed to him being gay.
I'll have to look into those theories tho |
JeetJeet
02.12.19 | Yea they're saying him & Tom might've had a thing at some point. Plus Roland got pretty defensive when Tom's homosexuality was brought up by Wayne. |
Slex
02.12.19 | Weird, I just read that as him being protective of Tom (Wayne was being pretty ignorant about it imo) but I suppose it could go either way. I just feel itd be a bit lazy to his character personally |
GhostB1rd
02.12.19 | Roland beelined for the hottest girl at the Church so either he has the best functioning override switch ever or he isn't gay. |
Slex
02.12.19 | Lmao good point yea |
JeetJeet
02.12.19 | Maybe he swings both ways. |
Rowan5215
02.12.19 | PSA to everyone itt loving scoot's performance this season: watch halt and catch fire you fuckin drudgeons |
GhostB1rd
02.12.19 | Watch everything but the last season of H&CF* |
Rowan5215
02.12.19 | ^ don't listen to this joker who can't appreciate art |
GhostB1rd
02.12.19 | I need my art to be accompanied by a serving of better than adequate dialogue. |
GhostB1rd
02.12.19 | That phone conversation between Joe and Cam was one of the worst written scenes I've ever witnessed on a television. |
Rowan5215
02.12.19 | so that bugs you but you're fine with Joe ripping his shirt open in the first season? or fucking dancing with glowsticks in the storm or whatever? those some wild double standards mane |
GhostB1rd
02.12.19 | S2>>>S1>S3>>>>>>>>>>>S4 |
Muhlysa
02.13.19 | Damn this blew up !! I havent checked in 2 weeks!!! |
Muhlysa
02.13.19 | Side note. One of my favorite songs on season 1 was Bosnian Rainbows- Eli. Not many songs to speak of on season 3. Its whatevers |
Slex
02.13.19 | Season 4 of Halt and Catch Fire is exceptional, every season is except parts of 1 |
rabidfish
02.13.19 | yea soundtrack has taken a massive step back. And they repeat the same 'bwooooom' Zimmer-like sound effect every 5 seconds. gets annoying fast. |
Rowan5215
02.18.19 | the soundtrack to the last 20 minutes this ep was exceptional
and imma just straight up say the acting this season is better than 1, so no-one's as iconic as McConaughey but the overall/supporting cast is just miles superior
(nice, freddie with the correct HACF takes) |
trilo
02.18.19 | that ep was flames |
Slex
02.18.19 | It was, the last 3 have been maybe the best this show has ever been |
TheSpaceMan
02.19.19 | yoo what the fuck this episode was so unbelievably good |
TheSpaceMan
02.19.19 | "and imma just straight up say the acting this season is better than 1"
nah its close tho. don't hate me, but I didn't really feel Tom's character aside from the interrogation scene... closer to a miss than anything ): the random side characters that they meet / interview etc are nowhere near as good as the s1 actors doing the same thing imo |
hal1ax
02.19.19 | How does Hoyt know what they did to his security guy ? |
TheSpaceMan
02.19.19 | pagers bro |
Slex
02.19.19 | They teased so much resolution for next week, I'm so nervous ugh |
hal1ax
02.19.19 | yo i forgot about pagers |
TheSpaceMan
02.19.19 | pagers and mtv gave it all away |
TheSpaceMan
02.19.19 | okay real talk, one possibility is that someone on the force got word that Wayne called for the flight records and relayed it to Hoyt. could also explain how Roland is 'retired' since Wayne used his name for clearance |
DominionMM1
02.19.19 | sounds plausible. Could be what roland is still so pissed at hays about in 2015
also: julie could be hoyt’s daughter |
Rowan5215
02.19.19 | "but I didn't really feel Tom's character aside from the interrogation scene... closer to a miss than anything ):"
delet this space
" the random side characters that they meet / interview etc are nowhere near as good as the s1 actors doing the same thing imo"
I mean fair enough there's no Charlie Lang this season for sure but the supporting actors like McNairy, Egojo, the dude who played Woodard etc have been absolutely killing it whereas s1 was basically Harrelson and McConaughey doing the most and everyone else had very little to do |
DominionMM1
02.19.19 | no love for michelle monaghan huh? |
Slex
02.19.19 | She's an amazing actress but her character was awfully written and it really showed |
Muhlysa
02.19.19 | Nic put the nix on them having a relationship together |
JoeTex
02.19.19 | "pagers and mtv"
& suede pumas |
TheSpaceMan
02.19.19 | but I didn't really feel Tom's character aside from the interrogation scene... closer to a miss than anything ): |
TheSpaceMan
02.20.19 | i'm like half a case through my ice cream man ipa because of this show and im not sure which one im more sad about ending soon |
JeetJeet
02.20.19 | Gotta give props to the junkie cousin for killing his role. |
GhostB1rd
02.20.19 | I'm on the Julie being Hoyt's daughter train. |
TheSpaceMan
02.20.19 | Same |
Muhlysa
02.24.19 | Last episode ! |
Slex
02.24.19 | So so excited, so so nervous |
Muhlysa
02.24.19 | Wayne is the villain!! I saw that theory smh 😰 |
Muhlysa
02.24.19 | The run time is 1:16 , I believe. Nic had to beg HBO to extend it |
Muhlysa
02.24.19 | We all know Wayne has a janky brain |
Muhlysa
02.24.19 | After the 1980 timeline obvi |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | No spoilers til everyone has watched. K 😜 |
Slex
02.25.19 | I think I might just make a spoilers thread then haha, I know I'm gonna be dying to talk about it |
hal1ax
02.25.19 | im so horny for this |
dbizzles
02.25.19 | Haven’t been this excited for a finale in a while. |
Slex
02.25.19 | Seriously, I can't wait |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | 🍾🍾🍾🥒🥒🥒☠ |
trilo
02.25.19 | finale was solid but after the last 2 episodes it fell a little flat for me tbh |
Slex
02.25.19 | Agreed
I felt just about the same as I did for the finale of season 1-I get that he's trying to subvert expectations but it's in such an overly self-conscious way that it's better on paper than in execution. It was still a very good episode imo. That 'twist' near the end personally felt a bit silly and out of place, as well |
trilo
02.25.19 | yeah and the exposition dumps just kinda solidified for me that the plot was really drawn out the entire season. i really liked how everything wrapped up from a character perspective though.
also what was with the music this ep? so often it was really ominous and nothing ever came from it. |
Slex
02.25.19 | Me and my roommate said the same thing lol, it made scenes really tense for no reason |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | Spoilers let flow please |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | I'm only 30 mins in tho so not reading just yet |
Slex
02.25.19 | So uhhhhhhh, what the fuck is Nic's obsession with landscaping people??? |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | They abduct children obviously |
TheSpaceMan
02.25.19 | so uh what happened to the wife? |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | Did you know Ali listen to music he thinks hes roll dictates. Then makes his own songs for each character. I need to find the article for better details. But that guy is extraordinary. |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | Watch .moonlight |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | She died right ? Maybe shes in a pink room. |
Slex
02.25.19 | Moonlight deserves ALL the praise it gets, spectacular movie
Yeah she died, I would guess just old age personally |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | So what's the best True detective?? |
Slex
02.25.19 | Season 1's finale was better so season 1 |
JeetJeet
02.25.19 | Yea that ending fell flat for me. Some nice moments but overall they kinda fumbled the ball. Oh well. |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | I need to rewatch season 1.... I just remember him in a church with the body and heavenly light. But I could be totally fucking wrong. I was drunk and high off my ass then and didnt reall |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | Watch shit closely |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | And for some reason on my phone once I reach a certain character limit I cant send and have to delete shit |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | Any one have that problem and solution |
hal1ax
02.25.19 | ehhhh.... that ep was pretty anticlimactic tbh. especially being as how 6 & 7 were like fuckn flawless |
Slex
02.25.19 | @Muhlysa I have the same problem, I just turn my phone sideways and then back to normal and the submit button shows back up for me lol |
Muhlysa
02.25.19 | Haha okay cool. What phone do you have ? I have an S9... hey but can we say that last fucking shot of Wayne going into the Bush was dope as hell . I camera shot that to hell. I'm gonna be doing soming with it definitely |
Slex
02.25.19 | Oh I honestly have no idea, it's a cheap piece of shit lol
Yeah I really loved that last shot |
Winesburgohio
02.25.19 | y'all mad K I N O |
Rowan5215
02.25.19 | loved it. beautiful, understated, subverted expectations with grace. whole lot better than S1's clumsy wrap-up imo |
Rowan5215
02.25.19 | y'all Roland with the dog I was CRINE |
dbizzles
02.25.19 | I endorse the final episode. Got some anxiety watching Wayne forget why he was where he was. Was tough. |
Slex
02.25.19 | @Rowan I would agree with you but that final twist was totally botched imo, just silly and corny |
DrGonzo1937
02.25.19 | Disappointing season |
trilo
02.25.19 | idk man the way the story wrapped up was pretty contrived. i'm not one to generally complain about conveniences in plot, but solving the mystery because he dropped the book on the right page was lame. and so was having everything explained over a 5 minute conversation at the table. show don't tell. when they found the pink room it was effective. when everything is just explained in some info dump it was pretty unsatisfying.
character wise it was excellent and as far as what actually happened to julie was good (i'm not of the opinion it needed to be some pedo ring or whatever). just the execution fell flat. |
DominionMM1
02.25.19 | i thought it was pretty good overall. certainly better than season 2. |
JeetJeet
02.25.19 | Last half of the finale legit played out like a Lifetime movie. Honestly makes me appreciate how s1 was wrapped up. |
DrGonzo1937
02.25.19 | Season 2 >> season 3 tbqh. I love slow burning tv shows, but even this pushed my patience. And the finale just completely dropped the ball |
Slex
02.25.19 | The writing here was exponentially better than 2, I didn't mind the slow burn at all, these people can actually act (@ Vince Vaughn, the lady who played his gf and Taylor Kitsch) |
DominionMM1
02.25.19 | i didn’t love the finale but at least this season maintained a certain cohesiveness in terms of vibe and atmosphere whereas s2 just felt clumsy and haphazardly arranged. not to mention that the acting this time around was light years ahead of its predecessor. |
Slex
02.25.19 | I truly truly hope Scoot Mcnairy at least gets nominated for supporting actor (Ali and Dorff deserve to be nominated too) |
DrGonzo1937
02.25.19 | The acting has never been an issue with the series (at least imo). But this just felt like a the last Jedi situation: subverting just for the sake of it. All I can say is, I hope they dont make anymore. The horse is well and truly beaten |
Slex
02.25.19 | I do agree that the subversion they attempted was done in a very clumsy self-conscious manner in the finale |
trilo
02.25.19 | yea i definitely can't get on board with s2 being better
for all of s3's flaws it's still a better season across the board |
TheSpaceMan
02.25.19 | I totally agree that the whole thing being played in a flashback over the table with June was just the lamest thing ever. That tug of war that killed the boy??? That was actually so laughably bad that I was irratated for the rest of it. Then he solves everything with the ghost of a wife that's never explained... plus that whole scene where he meets Lucy coulda used like an epic strings soundtrack or something I mean common it was so oddly not cinematic when it was the most daring twist the entire season. And the most hamfisted "oh hey I'm running into you with Lucy's daughter after everything seems played out" yet neither of them question it |
Rowan5215
02.25.19 | The ghost was his subconscious not literally a ghost... thought that was pretty clear |
Slex
02.25.19 | The ghost scene was horrendous, which is sad, because her monologue overall was strong writing. The twist was just absurdly deus ex machina and corny |
Rowan5215
02.25.19 | I don't see it as deus ex at all. We saw Ardoin back in ep 4 working the yard and the same girl with the scar on her face saying that someone needs to protect the lost girls out in the world, that a a pretty clear setup for this. On top of that the idea that everything would be okay if Wayne could just let it go has literally been a season-long theme |
Slex
02.25.19 | Okay, what about the magical book that magically turned to the right page |
GhostB1rd
02.25.19 | You know how fragile little kids are? They could easily be killed falling skull first backward into a rock. I'm convinced if I dropped my baby nephew from waist height he'd die. |
dbizzles
02.25.19 | 'Okay, what about the magical book that magically turned to the right page'
What about how many times he could have read or seen that page and had the same revelation only to forget it? Like, I understand what you mean- what a coincidence, right? But seeing how that could have happened at any time, it didn't seem all that convenient to the series ending. |
Rowan5215
02.26.19 | the book falling to the right page was kinda dumb. so was the whole green ears thing in S1 that cracked the case open after 15 years. let's not act like a lot of these problems haven't been inherent in this show since the beginning - the difference is this finale fully focused on character because the mystery has always been second fiddle and for me that's a relief |
Rowan5215
02.26.19 | like, I'm not gonna die on this hill or anything. Pizzo annoys me enough that I'm not gonna defend every little thing he does - there was some super dumb expositiony shit in this. but character-wise it was his best work and there were some breathtaking moments of that - I can't be bothered going back-and-forth on this for ages so imma just copy and paste something I wrote on another site re: that final jungle shot that sums up my whole take here
We zoom into his eye on the porch because it's his last thoughts within the context of this "story" he's been a part of all season. The end of Wayne's arc isn't that he finds Julie, it's that he finds her and doesn't pursue it (the look in his eye as he drank the water - he remembered her for at least a second), decides to stop telling the story and takes himself out of it. We've been leading this way for a few episodes now - in 7 he even tells Eliza "this story's over for me, miss" though of course at that point he's lying. The central idea of this season is the stories we tell ourselves and others - Wayne tells himself this conspiracy story to give something to solve, the nuns tell the story of the HIV to protect Julie, etc. etc.
So, here's the point I'm getting to - where would Wayne Hays choose to end his story? He'd like to end it on what we could assume is his best memory, he and Amelia walking out of the dark bar into the light together, still with a whole potential future ahead of them. But it doesn't always work like that, because some part of him is still in that Vietnam jungle. You can trace it all back there - his need to be withholding which unintentionally rubbed off on his children, his tunnel vision with regards to tracking someone who's gone missing at the expense of his family and career, the way he lashes out when people get too close to him, whether it's Roland sticking his neck out for him in '80 or all the times he pushed Amelia away. This whole season Wayne was stuck in the jungle, and if you like you can interpret that as a grim way to end, but I think the fact that he's finally actually seeing that is him coming to terms with the life's he's had and maybe moving past it. |
Slex
02.26.19 | Fair enough, we can agree to disagree haha
An interesting theory I've seen is that Hays died in that final scene, the first memory being heaven and the 2ND being hell |
trilo
02.26.19 | "But seeing how that could have happened at any time, it didn't seem all that convenient to the series ending."
well that's exactly why it was convenient. it happened at just the right time.
rowan is right that these kind of contrivances have always existed in TD. and tbh in storytelling in general. but it's extremely unsatisfying nonetheless. it's not even that hard to handle it differently either. |
Rowan5215
02.26.19 | I honestly find "book falls open perfectly" much more bearable than "man paints house, gets green ears, oh and the lady remembers the guy who painted her house 20 years ago luckily" but just me |
Slex
02.26.19 | Yeah but season I has Rust, the scene where he breaks down in the finale is my personal favorite TV scene of all time |
trilo
02.26.19 | i’m in the middle of rewatching s1 so i’ll have to see how i feel at the end. although i’m not really comparing the 2. s1 definitely had its plot issues though. |
Slex
02.26.19 | Definitely true |
Rowan5215
02.26.19 | Roland > Rust, fuck wit me |
DominionMM1
02.26.19 | i’ll just say you’re incorrect and leave it at that
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Slex
02.26.19 | I disagree as well but god I love Roland so much |
DominionMM1
02.26.19 | roland is a much more relatable character though |
JeetJeet
02.26.19 | "Yeah but season I has Rust, the scene where he breaks down in the finale is my personal favorite TV scene of all time"
And that very scene will probably never be topped by TD. Such an incredible ending and a great character moment for Rust. |
JeetJeet
02.26.19 | It'll never happen but I just want a 20 minute video of Rust & Roland in the same room, just talking. |
Insurrection
02.26.19 | great season. finale was a bit too exposition heavy and anticlimactic for my taste but i can't complain too much. they learned from their mistakes in s2 and gave us likable complex characters played by damn good actors and that's all i really wanted. i just wish the case itself was as engrossing as s1's |
Slex
02.26.19 | The way the writers and McConaughey pulled that moment off and made it completely believable truly surprised and moved me
If we're talking crossover tho, I wanna see Roland and Marty together: they would HATE each other and it would be physically and verbally brutal |
TheSpaceMan
02.26.19 | "The ghost was his subconscious not literally a ghost... thought that was pretty clear"
obviously, not saying otherwise |
Winesburgohio
02.26.19 | I would like to second Rowan's analysis, then plagiarise it. So glad there was no conspiracy arch; just fucked up people behaving in explicably fucked up ways. S/o to the emotionally mature dynamic of Wayne and Amelia, a beautiful and honest touch |
Slex
02.26.19 | Definitely agree about Amelia and Wayne, honestly all of the relationships this season were exceptional and deeply moving (my favorite being Roland and Tom) |
hal1ax
02.26.19 | agree with space. the accidental tripping over the rock thing was laughable and basically knocked the wind out of me for the rest of the ep. |
hal1ax
02.26.19 | well i guess it wasn't so bad... i mean it was definitely different and unexpected in how innocuous it was and i guess what really knotted me up was my expectation / anticipation being deflated.. idk maybe knowing how it ends now i'll rewatch it and enjoy that ending more who knows. |
Slex
02.26.19 | My roommate called it from the first episode that his death was an accident, savvy fucker lol |
Rowan5215
02.26.19 | "i’ll just say you’re incorrect and leave it at that"
nice that, like all the rabid and single-minded S1 fans, you can eloquently and cleverly build your case and refute my points with style. very impressive work there buddy
"the accidental tripping over the rock thing was laughable and basically knocked the wind out of me for the rest of the ep."
I thought this was obviously the way it was leaning since like ep 3, having said the actual flashback was pretty dumb for sure. what was that weird distort effect lol |
hal1ax
02.26.19 | "I thought this was obviously the way it was leaning since like ep 3"
haha really? damn dude you are way more clever than me then. can you elaborate on what so early on forecasted that sort of ending for you? |
Rowan5215
02.26.19 | I'm not sayin I'm some (true) detective I was just following some popular reddit threads, I think around episode 3 when Wayne and Roland had their breakthrough and realised that "it's all about the girl" people were wondering if Will just got killed in an accident. add that to as the season goes on you start to realise there was basically no motive for killing him, as in they really didn't gain anything other than drawing more attention to the case, as well that he was killed on an upturned rock in the woods rather than like hit with a bat or something. just started to wonder if it was an accident around then |
hal1ax
02.26.19 | hmm, well, if they were, say, pedophiles and solely wanted the girl, then wouldn't the motive for killing the boy be to cut a loose end? that's sort of what i was thinking anyway... your stuff all sounds legit though. um so i usually watch tv kind of stoned and am probably half retarded the entire time sooooooo yea |
JeetJeet
02.26.19 | offtopic, but I've been binging episodes of Fargo while waiting week to week for TD episodes, and I gotta say...Fargo is a waaaay better show lol |
hal1ax
02.26.19 | bruh s3 fargo was fucking astonishingly good |
JeetJeet
02.26.19 | Forreal man I fucking loved that season. Rewatching it now and there's soooo many details I missed out on. Plus Varga might be the most despicable character I've seen on tv. |
DrGonzo1937
02.26.19 | Yeah it’s great. S2 had a few questionably random moments, but the show as a whole is fantastic. Billy Bob is amazing in S1 |
hal1ax
02.26.19 | i actually think i like s3 more than s1... it's def more ambitious i think. but yea rewatching s3 really ossified my original feeling as to how special that season is |
DominionMM1
02.26.19 | "nice that, like all the rabid and single-minded S1 fans, you can eloquently and cleverly build your case and refute my points with style. very impressive work there buddy"
no points to refute there slick
"I honestly find "book falls open perfectly" much more bearable than "man paints house, gets green ears, oh and the lady remembers the guy who painted her house 20 years ago luckily" but just me"
yeah because remembering some weirdo creep with a ton of facial scars is completely outlandish. no one would be able to do something like that in the real world.
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dbizzles
02.26.19 | Meanwhile, I literally don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday. |
TheSpaceMan
02.27.19 | love ya row but for someone not trying to die on a hill you've setup tent and haven't moved since i've left |
GhostB1rd
02.27.19 | I remember stopping Fargo S3 at the episode with the cartoons and never finishing it for some reason. |
hal1ax
02.27.19 | go handle that breh |
JeetJeet
02.27.19 | yea you owe it to yourself to at least get to episode 8. |