TheGuy: best black metal album?

Alastor 03.24.18	I think the world has agreed on 5.
parksungjoon 03.24.18	7 isnt black metal 12 is lol where tf is any enslaved, where is nattens madrigal
Hawks 03.24.18	10 is the best. Also take 12 off of this list it's an eye sore on a list full of otherwise classic bm albums. Abbath's solo stuff is hot garbage.
Thalassic 03.24.18	12 isn't the worst thing out there, but it doesn't even belong in the same conversation as the others on this list
bgillesp 03.24.18	13, 2, 6 are super great
Hawks 03.24.18	It's bad bro, like really bad. Especially for Abbath's standards.
TheSpirit 03.24.18	Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
parksungjoon 03.24.18	spirit noooo
TheSpirit 03.24.18	:[ i'm sorry
Thalassic 03.24.18	@Hawks Yeah it does stink, but compared to stuff like FFDP...
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	"I think the world has agreed on 5." Nah, not even the best Bathory.
InFlamesWeThrash666 03.24.18	Thy Mighty Contract
parksungjoon 03.24.18	snox stfu the return is the worst of the first 5
Ocean of Noise 03.24.18	1 is 1 forever.
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	Best black metal album ever is a tie between the following: Bathory - The Return of the Darkness and Evil Beherit - Drawing Down the Moon Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales Mystifier - The World Is So Good That Who Made It Doesn't Live Here Master's Hammer - Ritual Darkthrone - A Blaze In the Northern Sky Hail - Inheritance of Evilness Inquisition - Into the Infernal Regions of the Ancient Cult Cultes des Ghoules - Henbane Martyrium - L.V.X. Occulta Teitanblood - Death Negative Plane - Stained Glass Revelations Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas Necromantia - Promo Tape '90 Order from Chaos - An Ending In Fire Serpent Noir - Erotomysticism It's a very tough call, honestly.
parksungjoon 03.24.18	morbid tales isn't black metal either
parksungjoon 03.24.18	jesus fucking christ when will people learn that just because something influenced a genre its not necessarily part of that genre
parksungjoon 03.24.18	by your logic slayer and kreator would be death metal bands which theyre not
ConcubinaryCode 03.24.18	1 or 10 yea
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	Technically it's a mix of all the extreme metal styles at the time: death, black, and thrash. But considering it's one of the most defining albums of extreme metal in general, I'd say it's more than acceptable to include in a list of black metal. It's almost wrong not to include it.
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	"by your logic slayer and kreator would be death metal bands which theyre not" Slayer's first album is black/speed, their second is death/thrash. Kreator's first two are basically black/death metal.
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	I made a list about it: https://rateyourmusic.com/list/IakSakkakh/the-true-history-of-black-metal-part-i-the-first-wave/
TheSpirit 03.24.18	im about to add you on RYM snox, you better ADD ME BACK
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	I could maybe do that.
parksungjoon 03.24.18	"I made a list about it: " just because you say something doesnt mean its true lmao
parksungjoon 03.24.18	im outta this dumpster fire
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	"just because you say something doesnt mean its true lmao" wait waitiwaitqwWAIT so you're saying i;m nOT the Governor of Mayonnaise?
osmark86 03.24.18	List misses Altar of Plagues - Teethed Glory and Deathspell Omega - Fas
Alastor 03.24.18	https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=1037591&listid=157775
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	I don't know if that list really encompasses "the world"
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	If we're going for pure objectivity from Sput-Majority's opinion, then the charts indicate that Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane is the best black metal album ever
Alastor 03.24.18	on this very objective site it's Rain Upon The Impure: https://www.bestblackmetalalbums.com/top_100_black_metal_albums.php
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	shit their name sounds like they're the real deal
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	never got into ruins of beverast. too doomy. didn't gel well with me
Alastor 03.24.18	but yeah, the 'most objective source' would probably be rym, where it is Filosofem. But they have a weighted rating system, otherwise it'd be Light's Bane too.
Astral Abortis 03.24.18	RYM says Filosofem is best bm ever EDIT: lol beat me to it
Avagantamos 03.24.18	Paracletus is the one BM album on the verge of a 5 for me so I'll go with that
TheFirstLemur 03.24.18	In terms of purish black metal Buzum - Hvis lyset tar oss Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse Paysage d'hiver - Winterkalte Ulver - Bergtatt The Ruins of Beverast - Rain Upon The Impure One of them for me
combustion07 03.24.18	3 is probably my favorite. Megiddo- The Devil & the Whore is a close second
Casavir 03.25.18	Filosofem is overrated and the fact that RYM has it as their top black metal album says a lot about the site.
Deathconscious 03.25.18	i dont see an issue with Filosofem being rated #1. it wouldnt be my personal #1 but its up there.
budgie 03.25.18	park celtic frost is totally black metal
Doctuses 03.25.18	Behemoth's Sventevith is surprisingly good
Deathconscious 03.25.18	i agree with park. i dont consider so-called first wave black metal to be black metal at all, except for Bathory.
budgie 03.25.18	well you just categorized it as first wave black metal
Deathconscious 03.25.18	hence the "so-called".
budgie 03.25.18	you can call it first wave black metal or so-called first wave black metal but it's still a category :]
BenThatsMyJamin 03.25.18	Deafheaven - Sunbather
Dedes 03.25.18	First wave black metal is proto-black metal really. It's not wrong to call a band like Celtic Frost black metal but it wouldn't be wrong to think they weren't either. I think my personal favorites are stuck between Taake-Nattestid Sir Porten Vid and Dissection - Storm of the Lights Bane. Also lesser known but I'd put Macabre Omen- Gods of War up there too.
Deathconscious 03.25.18	@budge w/e, thats not how i categorize it. you know what im saying. yeesh, so pedantic.
budgie 03.25.18	exactly, you say that's pedantry but isn't the not-calling-proto-black-metal-black-metal thing also pedantry? i just wish there was some name for the category of not-first-wave-black-metal oh light bulb moment, let's just start calling it not-first-wave-black-metal? is that cool with everyone but then people are going to be like nope that's not-not-first-wave-not-black-metal not not-first-wave-not-black-metal
Deathconscious 03.25.18	probably thrash because thats basically what it is. no need to come up with a new name. simmer down.
budgie 03.25.18	yeah all the bands that fall under old school black metal definitely could be called thrash, but there's a commonality shared that separates them from, you know, bonded by blood or something i get not calling venom black metal but they still fit in a group with mercyful fate, celtic frost, sarcofago, early sodom etc, thus first wave black metal
Sevengill 03.25.18	Nightside, Winterkaelte, or Likferd
Deathconscious 03.25.18	Mercyful Fate i especially dont understand being called black metal.
Dedes 03.25.18	Yeah that's stretching it really far. Influential no doubt but ehhhhhhhhhhh.
budgie 03.25.18	i definitely lump mercyful fate's s/t EP in with old school black metal
Astral Abortis 03.26.18	First wave black metal is the only true black metal. Second wave is falses black metal
Deathconscious 03.26.18	Lol
Astral Abortis 03.26.18	also first wave black metal and thrash are definitely not the same thing. comments like that come from a place of IGNORANCE. there's a big difference between In the Sign of Evil and Agent Orange
budgie 03.26.18	there is a big difference yeah, that's why "first wave black metal" is a valid genre
InFlamesWeThrash666 03.26.18	it's that time of the year eh
Astral Abortis 03.26.18	For sure budg, dunno why second wave "purists" get so up in arms about the genre having two distinct but equally valid periods
InFlamesWeThrash666 03.26.18	I think it's because you write stuff like this: First wave black metal is the only true black metal. Second wave is falses black metal
Astral Abortis 03.26.18	That was clearly facetious
budgie 03.26.18	cmon thrash i thought you were on our side
InFlamesWeThrash666 03.26.18	I'm on your side budgie mate but i can definitely understand why someone would say that first wave bm is not a genre. It's a style that has more to do with the feeling it gives and not the musical composition...And not everyone feels music the same way,that's why opinions differ..At least that's how i see it
osmark86 03.26.18	trvth and false in bm is such a tired argument. surely a genre has to evolve in order to stay relevant? I feel like the same reiterated argument is stirring up shit in the hip hop community as well with the whole real vs fake hip hop, is mumble rap valid sort of debate.
budgie 03.26.18	yeah thrash that's how i see it, it's not a genre it's a style, perfectly worded
Evreaia 03.26.18	Winterkaelte is easily the best BM album out there.
osmark86 03.26.18	have to give a shoutout to Castevet's Obsian too. fantastic album that is very overlooked imo.
Egarran 03.26.18	That 1. and 2. generation label has always been a bit nonsensical. Imo the first wave was bathory and darkthrone et al and the second was dimmu and cradle et al. And that was 20 years ago.
Astral Abortis 03.26.18	First wave was 80-93
Egarran 03.26.18	Fuck the bm consensus, I define my own generations m/
Astral Abortis 03.26.18	Kay
Egarran 03.26.18	That's how you shut them up, kids.
budgie 03.26.18	calling darkthrone first wave is weird considering they basically define second wave with transilvanian hunger
Egarran 03.26.18	Indeed. Those generation labels are close to useless.
Sevengill 03.26.18	genres aren't boxes, they're characteristics. there's nothing more frustrating than people getting hung up on it.
Astral Abortis 03.26.18	Well honestly the first two darkthrone bm albums could be considered first wave if we take the ripped off Bathory and Celtic Frost riffs at face value, then decide on Trans Hungo as the first and defining second wave album
Deathconscious 03.26.18	Brand New is black metal.
Scoob 03.26.18	Nightside eclipse then sotlb
budgie 03.26.18	i don't think soulside journey could be considered bm, do you mean a blaze & funeral moon?
Astral Abortis 03.27.18	Thats why i said their first two bm albums
Doctuses 03.27.18	De Mysteriis
GUNGFUHAMMERFIST 03.27.18	good list. probs 2
budgie 03.27.18	but soulside is their first album
Maco097 03.27.18	From the list Emperor.
Astral Abortis 03.27.18	Which is why i specified their first two black metal albums and not their first two albums...
Deathconscious 03.27.18	lol
JoeTex 03.27.18	bad brains
Eons 03.27.18	Kénôse by Deathspell Omega
budgie 03.28.18	my b didn't see that
TheSpirit 03.28.18	"For sure budg, dunno why second wave "purists" get so up in arms about the genre having two distinct but equally valid periods" NO. ONLY NORWAY. FOREVER. THEY STARDED IT.