ScuroFantasma
10.17.16 | My heart for Grande disappeared in the list |
Polyethylene
10.17.16 | Elvis taking early rock music styles made by black people, and sanitising them into a product more palatable to a white audience seems to encompass all three of those things. Just check out how much more raw the original 'Hound Dog' and 'It's Alright Mama' songs were |
brobama420
10.17.16 | Definitely Pink Floyd - Animals |
YakNips
10.17.16 | https://slipmatrecords.bandcamp.com/album/porcupine-demo
kendrick lamar
g.l.o.s.s.
for capitalism i have no idea |
ScuroFantasma
10.17.16 | Thanks guys, I'll definitley follow up on those. Agreed hard Poly on the whites covering black songs, that does cover all criteria basically. |
po0ty
10.17.16 | Capitalism, Modernism and Race is an insanely wide area of discussion.. |
po0ty
10.17.16 | I think The Beatles would be an obvious band to cover however |
climactic
10.17.16 | leftover crack |
G0atC0re
10.17.16 | So what's your angle on this? Capitalism, Modernism and Race is an extremely broad and complex set of ideas. |
ScuroFantasma
10.17.16 | Well I'm actually only selecting two of those three, and that's narrowed down from a lot of other possibilities, but basiclaly I'm discussing how Western music in the twentieth century reflects the ideas of Capitalism, Modernism and/or Race. I'm not entirely decided on which two of those three I'm going to do yet, probably the first two. And it's a 2000 word essay so plenty of room to get deep, but it is a little narrower than I made it first seem since I just wanted a few suggestions of music I might not be familiar with that deals with/is affected by these topics. Automatically punk, early rock and roll, and Blues came to mind, pop music as an industry for capitalism too. |
TheSpaceMan
10.17.16 | wouldnt it be easier to address the music industry itself and how its built to conform to a capitalist model? |
TheSpaceMan
10.17.16 | "leftover crack"
if this is a band name its amazing because there is never such a thing |
ScuroFantasma
10.17.16 | It would be, and I plan on touching on that particualrly for the capitalism part, but it is more about art reflecting society |
TheSpaceMan
10.17.16 | oh shit my b I just saw the title thru the home page didnt see the other two topics |
TheSpaceMan
10.17.16 | but yeah talk about streaming services and how they're viewed as a service rather than product, how radio doesn't allocate royalties to artists and doesnt need permission, and how downloads and physical media is treated like a product with the label being a client distributor for the artist, all to fit in our westernized economy by giving monetary value to music (: |
ScuroFantasma
10.17.16 | All really good points, thanks man. I hadn't even considered streaming services tbh. |
TheSpaceMan
10.17.16 | its a huge topic in the music industry if you really think about it. its not really selling a product but rather a service, so how much royalty does an artist deserve when a lot of it comes from the work put in by the service to maintain the program on top of the fact that the consumers arent actually receiving the songs/albums for their own use. its hard to find an even consensus on that one for obvious reasons and I think it boils down to free market agreement between the artist/label and the streaming service... something very much capitalist in nature. just tryna help get some thoughts flowin on the topic |
ScuroFantasma
10.17.16 | Appreciate it man! I actually wrote an assignment on the topic of music piracy last year which also meant I needed to look into alternatives that pay the artist and everything I read indicated that streaming services have a pretty abysmal return for musicians. What was interesting for me was that iTunes of all things only took about 30%, record labels took 60% and then the artists got 10% of that. But you don't need a label to out your stuff on iTunes interstingly enough. |
DoofusWainwright
10.17.16 | The first thing that came to mind was that Papa Roach song 'Between Angels and Insects' D:
That's what happens when a nu metal band watches Fight Club twice in a week I guess |
ScuroFantasma
10.17.16 | Haha |
Egarran
10.17.16 | First thing that came to my mind was Brutal Truth.
"Smell the power, smell the health
Smell the poverty of Americas wealth
Money smells of evil, greed
Capitalist wants and pumped up needs" |
ScuroFantasma
10.17.16 | Awesome, by the name alone that sounds promising |
zakalwe
10.17.16 | The Clash |
Keyblade
10.17.16 | paris |
ArizonaIcedOutBoys
10.17.16 | early swans |
Sinternet
10.17.16 | eww capitalism |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
10.17.16 | Not that this helps for your assignment but Frank Turner is the only guy I can think of off the top of my head who writes music in favor of capitalism. |
ScuroFantasma
10.17.16 | It could potentially, it's not an assignment on how bad capitalism is, just about music's reflection of it so that might be a good inclusion seeing as how those points of view are probably a bit scarcely represented. I'll look into it. |
Sinternet
10.17.16 | get some billy bragg in ya |
Cygnatti
10.17.16 | shape of punk to come |
zaruyache
10.17.16 | NOFX for sure. |
Sinternet
10.17.16 | most punk really |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
10.17.16 | His stuff with Mongol Horde basically comes down to "lol communism" |
Sinternet
10.17.16 | propagandhi are pretty good for that too |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
10.17.16 | Might be worth looking into career changes, too, as Reznor starting out vs. Reznor today is a total 180 on the merits of capitalism and attitude towards power structures. |
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd
10.17.16 | d e l e t e d |
laughingman22
10.17.16 | throbbing gristle-20 jazz funk greats because it's like a big ol parody of capitalism and the bands moto was 'industrial music for industrial people' |
BallsDeep
10.17.16 | Immortal technique immediately comes to mind (anti-capitalist)
also this is the 21st century brah |
Rolling Girl
10.17.16 | Anti-Flag and Strike Anywhere have response to capitalism. They probably cover the other topics but I can't think of specifics off the top of my head. |
DisdainfulChemist
10.17.16 | KISS |
Nazzadan
10.17.16 | The KISS solo albums are a great study in capitalism |
eliminatorjunior
10.17.16 | Thanks for the shout YakNips |
ScuroFantasma
10.17.16 | Thanks a bunch everyone!
"also this is the 21st century brah"
Yes |
Davil667
10.17.16 | Rage Against The Machine
probably cover all topics mentioned by you. |
Masochist
10.17.16 | I immediately thought of Bad Religion, who speak on topics of Religion, politics, and the economy all the time. One of their most popular songs is called "American Jesus," and the titular religious metaphor is the desire for money. They have quite a few more that deal with consumerism, including what is probably their biggest hit, "21st Century Digital Boy."
There's also (and I really, really can't believe I'm about to suggest this on Sputnik) a Newsboys song called "Fad of the Land" that talks about people's desire to own the latest electronic gadgets, and is one of the least overtly religious songs from them so it's a bit more accessible than most of their material. |
TheSupernatural
10.18.16 | I wrote a paper 4 years ago about music as a political movement through the 20th century. Focused on Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, Dead Kennedys, and Rage Against the Machine. |
ScuroFantasma
10.18.16 | Thanks guys :). @Supernatural that's interesting, definitely considering mentioning those last three artsists to some degree. |
Egarran
10.18.16 | "Rage Against The Machine"
Damn, how could we forget.
The Christmas Number One campaign was pretty amusing. |
DarkSideOfLucca
10.18.16 | 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love you for 1.
Marry me |
Egarran
10.18.16 | Marriage is a capitalist orgy! |
DominionMM1
10.18.16 | rage, nwa, and public enemy all come to mind immediately |