zakalwe: The Wasp Factory

zakalwe 09.11.16	Fucking unbelievable book. Iain Banks/Iain M Banks is essential. A massive loss.
Sinternet 09.11.16	why would it be banned?
Tunaboy45 09.11.16	I'll be getting onto it soon
Tunaboy45 09.11.16	@sinternet dark as fuck even by today's standards
Sinternet 09.11.16	ehh folks dont really ban books these days
ZippaThaRippa 09.11.16	Doesn't sound very fun
Relinquished 09.11.16	he means if that were still the case then it would be
zakalwe 09.11.16	Franks outlook and destruction as a result of his upbringing would send the media into meltdown if it was a 'new book' which they'd only heard about and hadn't read. Makes American Psycho look like the hungry caterpillar.
Tunaboy45 09.11.16	^ speaking of which, I've almost finished AP
zakalwe 09.11.16	Frank Cauldhame would have Bateman for brekkie.
Tunaboy45 09.11.16	he'd probably slit his throat before bateman could finish talking about his brand new Ralph suit and $700 ray bans
zakalwe 09.11.16	"Two years after I killed Blyth I murdered my young brother Paul, for quite different reasons than I'd disposed of Blyth, and then a year after that I did for my young cousin Esmerelda, more or less on a whim. That's my score to date. I haven't killed anybody for years, and don't intend to ever again. It was just a stage I was going through."
Egarran 09.11.16	It's fantastic. I'm also a huge fan of his Culture novels.
zakalwe 09.11.16	Yeah I've re-read nearly all the culture books. Use of Weapons several times and it's still me fave. The non fiction stuff I've yet to get stuck into. I think I'm going to go for Whit or The Bridge next.
Egarran 09.11.16	I've read Walking on Glass, later transformed into The Bridge (cool), Espedair Street (good and funny) and Steep Approach to Garbadale (sorta boring).
Tunaboy45 09.11.16	Wasp Factory Crow Road Whit that's my current iain banks reading list
zakalwe 09.11.16	Oh yeah and Crow Road. I remember people raving about the televised version in the 90s and I couldn't be arsed with it probabaly cos I was a brat.
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	Read this years ago, my mum was a huge fan of Banks. 'The Bridge' is another good one.
zakalwe 09.11.16	If I'd read this at school I think I'd have gone round the bend.
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	I didn't read this in my school days, probably aged about 22-25. I can't even remember what order I've read the 15 or so Banks books I've read. I think 'Player of Games' was my first
Tunaboy45 09.11.16	been avoiding the Crow Road miniseries because i want to read it first
zakalwe 09.11.16	Top 5 culture. Use of Weapons Excession Consider Phlebas Look to Windward Player of Games
EyesWideShut 09.11.16	havent read it in years but yea i digged it.. crazy how you could kill someone with a giant kite.
Tunaboy45 09.11.16	Culture and Dark Tower are two series I will definitely get round to eventually
EyesWideShut 09.11.16	@Zakalwe you should look into The End of Alice by A.M. Holmes.. another book you'd probably like.
zakalwe 09.11.16	Nice one eyes, I'll check it. Yeah the kite offing is lol.
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	Zak I've only read 'Use of Weapons', 'Consider Phlebas' and 'Player of Games' out of that list. I've also read 'Surface Detail', 'Algebraist' and 'Matter'. His other novels I've read 'Wasp Factory', 'Crow Road', 'Stonemouth', 'Whit', 'Complicity', 'The Bridge' and 'Dead Air'. I don't think I've read 'Feersum Endjinn' but I've heard a bit about it and that makes me wonder if maybe I did read it :/
zakalwe 09.11.16	The Algebraist gets some stick but I absolutely loved that. Yeah I haven't read Feersum, inversions, against a dark background or The State of the Art from his SF. Only other Iain Banks I've read is Transition.
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	I'm quite lazy with reading and get into it in phases, if I'm really into my music and watching some series in the evening I just don't really find time to do it. The last time I binge read was after a nasty breakup and I had to move back in with my folks for 4 months - I must have read 30 books in those few months.
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	Yeah I liked the idea in the Algebraist that you had 'slow' species who lived millions of years and were almost on a different plain to humans and similar short lived creatures
zakalwe 09.11.16	Sounds like a breakdown mate. Reading, tunes, sput, the missus, watching footy, walking, pub. That's it for me I just can't watch tele now except for GoT it's just fucking shit.
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	Ha, yeah it was pretty much a self enforced breakdown, I'd just go running and read books. I couldn't hack sitting there and watching the telly with the parents, dark times. Was listening to 'Adore' by the Pumpkins, 'Father Son Holy Ghost' by Girls (great breakup album) and 'Black Gives Way to Blue' by Alice in Chains :D
zakalwe 09.11.16	Sounds like you needed an almighty kick up the arse :D What was your thoughts on whit? The blurb appeals.
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	I don't watch regular tele now, just box set series - often old ones. Deadwood, Hannibal, Justified, Sopranos, Breaking Bad - the usual drill. The only exceptional terrestrial show in the last decade was 'Utopia'
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	'Whit' I must have read a fair time ago now, I find Banks's non sci fi stuff really good, but it's been 10 years or so so I don't know what I'd make of that one today. 'The Bridge' is the most memorable of his regular novels, it's somewhere between his two writing modes to be honest, almost like a sci fi. Recommend it. Have you ever read any Houellebecq? Some of his stuff is very close to sci fi ('The Possibility of an Island') and gets into weird cult groups and apocalyptic scenarios for humanity.
zakalwe 09.11.16	Apocalypse, cults and humanity. Can't go wrong. I'll check.
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	Just type in Michel Houellebecq into google images and prepare to see the ultimate embodiment of a cranky French arsehole. The man's a legend. His latest about moderate Islam being voted into power in France ('Submission') is a great read too. His sense of humour is a bit misunderstood.
zakalwe 09.11.16	Sounds like a superb read. Right up my street..
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	The subtext being that the prospect of a religion he labelled the most 'dumb' in the world taking over France has become more attractive than maintaining the current pathetic status quo. He thinks France is in a world of shit - and the rest of the western world isn't far behind them.
zakalwe 09.11.16	Well he's bang on
DoofusWainwright 09.11.16	Hope you dig, I've read pretty much everything he's released now
Egarran 09.11.16	Just finished Look to Windward. It wasn't the best, but it's ok. Basically, the more about minds flying around the galaxy being awesome, the better. The two last Culture novels are so fucking good.
Tunaboy45 09.11.16	you'd probably like Marabou Stork Nightmares zak, got that trademark scottish misery you love with some surrealism to boot
zakalwe 09.11.16	Scottish miserabalism is life tbh. @Eg. Minds, sarcastic drones and SC agents is heaven.
Typhoon24 09.11.16	the uncle's suicide lol this book was funny af