GeebaGooba: Plane Shot Down Over Ukraine

PappyMason 07.17.14	Just seen this. Damn, that's terrible.
stranger 07.17.14	time to nuke russia further into the stone age amirite
menawati 07.17.14	no americans confirmed, was just something on twitter, all the airline has said so far is 4 french, but anyway who cares where they are from their lives are all valuable
Dunwich 07.17.14	Malaysia Airline is cursed.
ChoccyPhilly 07.17.14	Bit annoying when I heard the news saying "We're looking to see if American passengers were on board"! I mean, for fuck sake. So everyone else doesn't matter all of a sudden? Worst thing is that this is the live news in the UK
zakalwe 07.17.14	Some 230 Palestinians and one Israeli have died in the nine days since Israel launched its Operation Protective Edge. And so it goes.
ChoccyPhilly 07.17.14	But if one American is on board, the whole world loses its shit. Not saying I don't like you guys, I just think your government are selfish twats
menawati 07.17.14	cant see why americans would actually use that route to KL tho
NordicMindset 07.17.14	well both are tragedies no doubt
menawati 07.17.14	not to barack it seems
stranger 07.17.14	there's an unspoken formula in american media. in terms of covering people dying, white ppl > black ppl, men > women, americans > non-americans, etc. watch cnn and shit and it's pretty obvious that this is the way things are, whether it's intentional or not. america (the book) has a chart outlining this and it's brilliant.
NordicMindset 07.17.14	Malaysia Airlines has to be some sort of coincidence
stranger 07.17.14	"not to barack it seems" you're sort of an idiot. do you not understand that for the commander in chief, the circumstances change dramatically if there were americans on board? he's not president of the world.
ChoccyPhilly 07.17.14	Definitely, but Obama says he's sorry for anyone harmed in it and doesn't make any keen action. This is all whilst his secretaries are trying to find out if any Americans are on board (none) and I bet you if one was, he'd be all like "In the name of justice, this is wrong and we will do whatever we can in out power to find the culprit etc."
menawati 07.17.14	i was just about to say it's the same in most countries futures
ExplosiveOranges 07.17.14	"Not saying I don't like you guys, I just think your government are selfish twats" True dat.
GeebaGooba 07.17.14	I think it's ridiculous that they're reporting if there were any Americans in the UK but of course Americans are curious about that.
ChoccyPhilly 07.17.14	Of course, but that's all I've heard from the news right now. The astonishing thing is that the nationality of the majority of people killed in the crash is overlooked and that's what is annoying me
menawati 07.17.14	"do you not understand that for the commander in chief, the circumstances change dramatically if there were americans on board" of course but you'd think he'd focus on the awful loss of life in general before he talks about finding out if americans were on board instead of the other way round
stranger 07.17.14	that's becoming apparent @futures
ChoccyPhilly 07.17.14	Sorry, didn't mean to get so worked up
GeebaGooba 07.17.14	This is what the terrorists want. For us to fight among ourselves. Let's all just get along fellas.
NordicMindset 07.17.14	I never said that...???
anarchistfish 07.17.14	"no americans confirmed, was just something on twitter, all the airline has said so far is 4 french, but anyway who cares where they are from their lives are all valuable" but god only cares about american and israeli citizens
titanslayer 07.17.14	Choccy we can't just get involved with everyone else's wars all the time. Isn't it kinda selfish to think that we should help if we weren't attacked?
anarchistfish 07.17.14	russians probably did it
stranger 07.17.14	yeah because standing there lamenting the loss of life accomplishes so much
menawati 07.17.14	well fking hell i dunno if it really was a long range surface to air missile and fired by rebels who were supplied by Russia with the kit and it's proved then all hell is going to break loose and it wont just be the americans kicking up a storm
NordicMindset 07.17.14	we don't even know if it actually was shot down yet
anarchistfish 07.17.14	"shut up hong. pretty sure they're doing the same in the uk right now. trying to see if there were any brits on board." they haven't mentioned it. all they've mentioned is the french some fucked up shit going round liveleak atm
NordicMindset 07.17.14	I have never used Liveleak before
NordicMindset 07.17.14	also it's not loading rn
ChoccyPhilly 07.17.14	Good argument made was that The Ukrainians have no reason to do such a thing, if anyone thought it was them. They're already the victim in this Russian-Ukraine conflict, so doing something like this would cause other countries to fall out of their favour, which is something I'm sure they don't want
BMDrummer 07.17.14	Wow, this is fucking awful.
menawati 07.17.14	"we don't even know if it actually was shot down yet" some guy was saying the damage looks consistent with what the warheads do and it came down in pieces but yes i suppose still not sure yet
zakalwe 07.17.14	Just flash em a smile and whap out your jugs geeba. Your beauty alone will bring world peace
jefflebowski 07.17.14	sounds like an accident to me, unless someone has a convincing reason why either ukraine or ukranian separatists would shoot down a passenger jet
ChoccyPhilly 07.17.14	I think it was an accident too, but it kind of highlights that the Russia-Ukraine conflict is at alarming highs and who knows the consequences of this incident
menawati 07.17.14	well yeh no motive anywhere unless for terrorist actions so if shot down then was mistaken for military plane
GeebaGooba 07.17.14	Apparently some Russian separatists claimed to shooting down what they thought was a Ukrainian cargo plane right after the plane was shot down but since removed whatever they posted online about it.
anarchistfish 07.17.14	idk is there any reason it would just blow up in mid air? and there's loads of possible explanations for why it might be shot down. mistaken identity, thought it was a transport plane, who knows
jefflebowski 07.17.14	mistaken for military plane seems the most likely, but you'd think they'd be 100% sure before blowing it up
henryChinaski 07.17.14	pretty fucked up.
menawati 07.17.14	"you'd think they'd be 100% sure before blowing it up" well trained militaries arent always 100% sure and they fire so cant really expect that of rebel forces
PappyMason 07.17.14	pretty fucked up [2]
anarchistfish 07.17.14	all sounding very fishy what's being reported
zakalwe 07.17.14	Even when their "100% sure" the yanks still fuck it and fire on their own.
ChoccyPhilly 07.17.14	"you'd think they'd be 100% sure before blowing it up" I'm assuming each side are pretty paranoid of spy planes, so perhaps that could be the reason all this happened
Tunaboy45 07.17.14	When the fuck is this going to end? Oh wait, when everyone's dead. Truly tragic.
henryChinaski 07.17.14	As far as I know the separatists don't have any planes. I doubt the Ukranian army would shoot at a plane of that size. Well, who knows...
Skull917 07.17.14	this can being used as an excuse for something ugly
MrSirLordGentleman 07.17.14	The russians are anything but idiots, they know that taking down a civil airplane will bring them many international troubles
DikkoZinner 07.17.14	Condolences to the families of those on board.
GeebaGooba 07.17.14	its obviously a conspiracy people. there was no plane shot down the government just staged this as a false flag attack so we can rally support to attack russia open your eyes sheeple
Gwyn. 07.17.14	"mistaken for military plane seems the most likely" as good an explanation as any I guess
anarchistfish 07.17.14	"20:27: BBC Monitoring reports more from the conversation between militants allegedly intercepted by the Ukrainian Security Service. The conversation starts with Igor Bezler, a key militant, apparently telling a Russian security official by phone that the pro-Russian militants have shot down a plane. 20:23: The Ukrainian Security Service SBU has published on its Youtube account what it says are intercepted conversations between pro-Russian militants in which they say they admit shooting down a civilian plane, BBC Monitoring reports." (BBC)
zakalwe 07.17.14	Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Fish
wacknizzle 07.17.14	Trigger happy Ukrainian separatists with a surface to air missile launcher, I doubt they could tell what it was a 33,000 feet, let alone give a fuck. Hopefully they'll pay for it
anarchistfish 07.17.14	surely not even russia can get away with something like this
menawati 07.17.14	if that is true and not cooked up by SBU the only thing they could have used is a long range SAM supplied by vladimir
Skull917 07.17.14	well, isn't that convenient for ukraine
owen 07.17.14	"23 Americans" What does this have to do with anything? it's a Dutch plane
zakalwe 07.17.14	The Menawati who came in from the cold
wacknizzle 07.17.14	Yeah, either way the launcher came from the Russians
menawati 07.17.14	well ye Zak, if parroting back what you hear on tv is george smiley level espionage then i'm a real secret squirrel
zakalwe 07.17.14	A double bluff if ever there was one dude. Cocktail?
anarchistfish 07.17.14	im surprised you people arent reading this stuff yourselves tbh
henryChinaski 07.17.14	Seems like a great idea to give these amateurs such weapon systems.
menawati 07.17.14	well i watched for a bit and it just kept repeating same stuff probably should check again
osmark86 07.17.14	must be a mistake by separatists as some of you have already mentioned. they've been pretty active taking down Ukrainian aircraft as of late. this could get ugly.
GeebaGooba 07.17.14	Since this seems most likely to be Russian separatists who thought they were taking down another Ukrainian plane, will Russia finally step in and get these crazy mofos under control?
menawati 07.17.14	"will Russia finally step in and get these crazy mofos under control?" they've already been arming them for ages to cause chaos in the region it would be quite a u-turn
jefflebowski 07.17.14	zak bringing the le carre references, classy
henryChinaski 07.17.14	Why do airlines still overfly that area anyway? Just curious...
GeebaGooba 07.17.14	Israel has also just started their ground offensive in Gaza according to ABC. Everything's fucked.
anarchistfish 07.17.14	how reckless do you have to be to make a mistake like this
ButteryBiscuitBass 07.17.14	'But if one American is on board, the whole world loses its shit. Not saying I don't like you guys, I just think your government are selfish twats' Yes, because BBC news totally didn't mention the idea of Brits being on board...a lot.
anarchistfish 07.17.14	most of them were dutch anyway
NordicMindset 07.17.14	"He gave a breakdown of the known nationalities of the 280 passengers: 154 were Dutch, 27 were Australians, 23 were Malaysians, 11 were Indonesian, six were from the United Kingdom, four were from Germany; four were from Belgium, three were from the Philippines and one was Canadian. Authorities were still trying to determine the nationalities of the other passengers." There.
anarchistfish 07.17.14	Putin must be so pissed right now
TheBarber 07.17.14	holy shit 154 Dutch
TheBarber 07.17.14	Putin is probably jamming "I Don't Want To Set The World On Fire" right now, seing the nationalities the E.U must be pretty damn pissed atm
conesmoke 07.17.14	That's terrible. The world is fucked and there's nothing we can do about it.. I'm guna smoke a cone. m/
Gmork89 07.17.14	Bad day overall as far as humanity goes.
TheBarber 07.17.14	yep time for some post-apoc jams until even the ashes of the earth are wipped out
anarchistfish 07.17.14	was probably some dumb af russian rebels who managed to get their hands on this this missile launcher because russia wasn't paying attention to who they were giving them too 90% sure that's what gonna turn out to have happened
Dunwich 07.17.14	"A site attributed to a separatist leader suggests rebels may have shot down MH17, but it has since been taken down and details remain unclear. It features a comment saying "We just downed an An-26 near Torez. It's down somewhere near Progress mine," which suggests rebel forces may have believed the passenger jet to be a Ukrainian military transport plane. The page, on the VKontakte social network, is attributed to Igor Girkin, who goes by the nom de guerre Strelkov and is the self-proclaimed military commander of the rebels. The page has been posting for rebels affiliated with Strelkov for weeks, and has some 130,000 followers." A screengrab from a VKontakte page attributed to Igor Girkin, known as Strelkov among east Ukrainian rebels. Photograph: /VKontakte The post continues "We had warned them not to fly in 'our sky'" and says "here is video confirmation of the "downed little bird." The linked video is the same as that used in media reports on the crash. The post also says "a residential sector was not caught" and "Innocent people were not harmed." Rebels have previously shot down an An-26 jet on 14 June, killing 49 Ukrainian military servicemen."
anarchistfish 07.17.14	they fucked up bad
TheBarber 07.17.14	"Innocent people were not harmed." rofl
anarchistfish 07.17.14	""Bezler - "We just hit an airplane. The group "Minyora." It fell on Enakievo. Geranin - "Airplanes? Where - airplanes?" Bezler - "We went to find and photograph the downed plane." Geranin - "How many minutes ago?" Bezler - "About 30 minutes ago." Grek - "Yes, Mayor" Mayor - "So, these 'Chernukhinskie' hit a plane. From the Chernukhinskovo area. The Cossacks, that are at Chernukhino" Grek - "The airplane fell from the sky in the area of the Peter-Paul Mine. The first "two-hundred." They found the first "two-hundred." It's civilian. Mayor - "Well, what now?" Grek - "Basically, there were civilians on board" Mayor - "Were there a lot of people there?" Grek - "Well @#$%, the wreckage fell all over the field" Mayor - "Which board?" Grek - "I'm not sure yet, I haven't been next to the beginning part yet. I just look there, where the first bodies fell. There are internal brackets, chairs, bodies" Mayor - "Do they have any weapons at all?" Grek - "None at all. Just civilian things. Medicine, toiletries, toilet paper..." Mayor - "Do they have documents?" Grek - "Yes, there's an Indian student from Thompson University.""
anarchistfish 07.17.14	unconfirmed obvs
ScuroFantasma 07.17.14	This could turn out really badly
ExplosiveOranges 07.17.14	This HAS ALREADY turned out pretty badly.
ScuroFantasma 07.18.14	"This HAS ALREADY turned out pretty badly." yes, but I'm not talking about the plane crash specifically, I mean the aftermath. Who will blame who and what the consequences will be.
Sleaper 07.18.14	Putin is so fucking lucky no americans were on board.
TheMoonchild 07.18.14	I heard. Absoultely terrifying.
TalonsOfFire 07.18.14	Who would do this, it seems so random. I don't think Putin, Malaysia, or The Ukraine would want this for any reason, but probably not just a stupid mistake, people are calling it a terrorist act
tommygun 07.18.14	fuck earth
ChoccyPhilly 07.18.14	Likely to be mistaken for a spy plane, but I get the feeling that more 'security' is going to be introduced over here in the aftermath of this
PorcelainRain 07.18.14	Yeah America (the book) is awesome.
PorcelainRain 07.18.14	fuck earth (2)
North0House2 07.18.14	This could have horrible implications for the (admittedly extremely unstable) global political climate at the moment. So many countries are on edge, this totally doesn't help. So sad.
anarchistfish 07.18.14	"Putin is so fucking lucky no americans were on board." holy fuck no one cares i always feel a bit dumb when i hate on americans but frankly you bring it on yourselves
FourthDyke 07.18.14	@fish user sleaper is from australia
jefflebowski 07.18.14	edit: post out of context
FourthDyke 07.18.14	pawpnbawtlez
anarchistfish 07.18.14	then why does he care
MO 07.18.14	ugh fuck this thread
Sleaper 07.18.14	AUSSIE FOR LYF MOIT. 27 aussies on board which is brutal.. 154 dutch.. FUCK i care because if yanks WERE on board.. they would be some serious conflict happening with the US
FourthDyke 07.18.14	why are you acting like anarchistfish?
beefshoes 07.18.14	Stories like this are why I hate mainstream media. All that they care about are political and financial gains, and good ratings. More innocent Palestinians have been murdered over the last two weeks compared to the plane crash. Only a single Israeli death has been recorded, yet the media continues to frame the conflict as Israel vs Hamas. They're doing the same with this by framing it as Russia vs the US, when we shouldn't even be involved. It's most likely that it was a group of Russian separatists, which is completely different than the Kremlin doing it.
jefflebowski 07.18.14	i don't think anyone seriously believes putin orchestrated this, it was a bunch of rebels with a very powerful weapon and not much forethought
North0House2 07.18.14	The real question we should be asking is: How many Mongolians were on this plane? Obviously this is a conspiracy to kill off the Mongolian people. OPEN YOUR EYES.
beefshoes 07.18.14	That's what makes mainstream media so pathetic. I've heard countless pundits mindlessly suggest that it was Putin.
NordicMindset 07.18.14	Why would Putin do this with all the repercussions?
TalonsOfFire 07.18.14	Yeah I don't think this was Putin it's not really in his best interests...
beefshoes 07.18.14	Exactly. I can see Neo cons like McCain using rhetoric like that, but it's just extremely infuriating to me when pundits and journalists do it.
FourthDyke 07.18.14	infuriates me when liberal media acts like the liberal media
beefshoes 07.18.14	By liberal, hopefully you mean Neo-liberal. There's nothing liberal about any of the major networks aside from some of the social stances that MSNBC's pundits repeat like warped records. They're all almost identical when it comes down to actual policy. That's probably a result of every network being owned by a select few corporations.
jefflebowski 07.18.14	^very much this this was in nobody's best interests, clearly suggesting a terrible mistae by someone
Sleaper 07.18.14	this was just a horrible horrible accident. I don't believe this was purposely done. Wrong place at the wrong time. However, many respected airlines such as Qantas, British airways, American airlines, Singapore airlines etc do not fly this route for obvious reasons. They go through turkey. If anyone is to be blamed, it is Malaysian airlines for running the risk of going through a war zone.
henryChinaski 07.18.14	Since the blackbox has been brought to Russia we probably won't get to know the whole truth anyway...
anarchistfish 07.18.14	depends which one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26971387
Chrisjon89 07.18.14	"If anyone is to be blamed, it is Malaysian airlines for running the risk of going through a war zone." can't say I completely agree with this, but obviously a big risk. it's frightening/ridiculous to think the plane would be fired upon before being identified. but such awful news in any case. dunno where it goes from here.
anarchistfish 07.18.14	ICAO had declared the route safe so I wouldn't blame the airline Russians trying to use this to further their own agenda is disgusting
Chrisjon89 07.18.14	“This tragedy would not have happened if there were peace on this land, if the military actions had not been renewed in southeast Ukraine. And, certainly, the state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility for this awful tragedy” - that's apparently from a statement put out by Putin. which reads as disgustingly dismissive and cowardly deflection, particularly that last sentence. absolutely devastating reading about who was on board
jefflebowski 07.18.14	putin surprisingly deciding to omit mentioning it was probably one of his StA missiles that shot the plane down in the first place
osmark86 07.18.14	"And, certainly, the state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility for this awful tragedy" well ain't that convenient. supply weapons and turn the other cheek.
Chrisjon89 07.18.14	yeah that statement is one of those politician roundabout ways of pointing the finger at someone else while not denying it either. i still can't believe this happened
Chrisjon89 07.18.14	i see/hear that kind of deflection all the time between parties in Australian politics but over issues that pale in comparison to this.
GeebaGooba 07.18.14	i just shit my pants
ZombieParty 07.18.14	R.I.P to all the people on board
anarchistfish 07.18.14	Putin just bullies everyone. Such a despicable cunt but I can't help but admire it sometimes
henryChinaski 07.18.14	Putin is a piece of shite.
anarchistfish 07.19.14	this is basically his defence http://youtu.be/mOy2vnrWYXY?t=1m30s
beefshoes 07.19.14	United Russia as a whole just fucking sucks. The newest variety of the Communist Party probably isn't much better, but any sort of change towards the centre and away from the fringe would be fantastic for both Russia and Eastern Europe.
ConcubinaryCode 07.19.14	RIP. I'm not getting caught up in this discussion past that.
Greenpaw 07.19.14	RIP. I'm not getting caught up in this discussion past that. [2]
henryChinaski 07.19.14	"but any sort of change towards the centre and away from the fringe would be fantastic for both Russia and Eastern Europe." Definitely, but there are also a lot of people in that region who want the Soviet Union back.
beefshoes 07.20.14	That wouldn't be a terrible thing if they actually practiced democratic socialism. That'll never happen in Russia though. The prospect of it is naive considering the fact that they've lived under totalitarianism/oligarchism since Russia's birth.
24gadjet 07.31.14	I'm actually glad America is staying out of this, shit doesn't need to be escalated any further. Dont know whether to be proud of the fact that Abbott confronted Putin or embarrassed, he's a fuckwit PM either way
Snake. 02.23.17	oh damn
Deathconscious 02.23.17	Wow, a funny alt. We havent had one of those in a long time.