Trebor.: New Smash Bros. Most Wanted Characters

Trebor. 01.14.13	Namco is co-developing the game, so if they pull a fast one and put Naruto in the game I will off myself right away
Trebor. 01.14.13	That was on Sega Genesis wasn't it?
Hospital 01.14.13	sora would be sick, any FF char welcomed, bomberman fuck yeah
Trebor. 01.14.13	23. Glover 24. Sami from Advance Wars
MuhNamesTyler 01.14.13	holy shit toe jam and earl
Cygnatti 01.14.13	I would fucking love a Red Mage. They need to take either Ness or Lucas out, I just want one of them and be super awesome because I hate choosing between the two. They say Falco or Flaco might not won't be in this game. If there was someone to replace him it'd be Krystal. They might off Wolf too, even though he's a really cool character and plays nothing like Fox.
Cygnatti 01.14.13	They should also replace Marth with the new FE guy, Chrom I think.
Trebor. 01.14.13	They won't off Wolf Offing Falco would make sense, but a lot of people seem to like him
Hospital 01.14.13	btdubz nice banner pilot
Trebor. 01.14.13	REPLACE MARTH GET THE FUCK OUT Marth is my favorite character since Melee and he's the original Fire Emblem prince my word They would be more likely to replace Ike
AtomicShane 01.14.13	bayonetta would be dope
ZilbelPing 01.14.13	Holy shit i would have never thought of any of these. Banjo-Kazooie would be sweet
Cygnatti 01.14.13	They're very likely going to get Ike outta here. I personally love playing Marth, but I still want to see moar FE characters. Lucario is a done deal, but a new Pokemon trainer might be cool.
Trebor. 01.14.13	They really do need more female characters who are actually fighters and make sense unlike Peach, I mean Zelda kind of makes sense because she mostly uses magic attacks and turns into Sheik who is a bad ass
Cygnatti 01.14.13	I want more "evil" chars, the only ones we have are Bowser, Wario, Ganon, Wolf, and I think that's it.
Cygnatti 01.14.13	Peach is fucking sweet in the smash series though. That floating in the air thing, and that crown smack f-air is just damn.
Trebor. 01.14.13	It seems like Snake is coming back considering he wasn't in the Sony knock off game
ZilbelPing 01.14.13	I'd say Taki from Soul Calibur.
ZilbelPing 01.14.13	whoops, I meant talim
Deathconscious 01.14.13	Geno from Super Mario RPG would be cool
owen 01.14.13	Rayman, Travis Touchdown and his brother Henry, Conker, Okami, Jack from madworld&anarchy reigns, Bayonetta, Simon Belmont
larrytheslug 01.14.13	they shouldnt have axed mewtwo
FigNewtns 01.14.13	mr. resetti more oldschool characters like mr. game and watch always wanted to see one of the 3 accompany characters from kirby's dreamland 2 but that's kind of a stretch knuckles/tails (not a rehash of sonic either, he was fucking terrible in brawl) lucario probably wont come back, i'll bet they'll use that zoroak pokemon (either way i wish mewtwo would come back) ditto bomberman & megaman
ZilbelPing 01.14.13	Oh damn Conker. I forgot about him.
owen 01.14.13	I mean amaterasu from okami
FigNewtns 01.14.13	cassandra from SC tbh
owen 01.14.13	Now i have an even better idea; the killer 7
ZilbelPing 01.14.13	Turok
North0House2 01.14.13	13 made me laugh so hard hahahaha. When my bro and I were kids we'd always post crap about Tom Nook on the town bulletin board. Ahhh good times.
dammets 01.14.13	king krool is mandatory that's for sure. Paper mario would be a good idea too. there also needs to be a metroid character.
Trebor. 01.14.13	Like a space pirate or something?
Deathconscious 01.14.13	paper mario could be interesting.
Scoot 01.14.13	cloud strife would be dope
dammets 01.14.13	well no, like an actual character. can't really think of anyone though. pls none of the charatcers from prime 3. i dont know why people like them so much. maybe dark samus, but that would prob be too similar to samus. maybe ridley, but that was already discussed to death when brawl came out
Trebor. 01.14.13	How could Ridley even work, he's a huge dragon?
dammets 01.14.13	the less non 1st party nintendo characters the better. sonic and snake worked out, but more is just really pushing it
dammets 01.14.13	yeah thats what i meant, the idea was talked about during brawl, and that it wouldnt work
theacademy 01.14.13	way better chance of capcom/tekken characters than square/rare characters
dammets 01.14.13	also needs pokey/porky from earthbound.
Trebor. 01.14.13	I really hope they don't put Tekken characters, and putting Capcom characters that are already in Marvel Vs. Capcom would be lame Besides Megaman
theacademy 01.14.13	im not saying what i'd prefer, i'm just telling you what's what, homie.
demigod! 01.14.13	21 will likely not happen because im pretty sure Rare owns the rights to the Kremlings, hence why they weren't in DKC Returns. Same with Lankey, and Conker for the people wanting him. also fuck yeah Earthworm Jim. I also wouldn't mind playing as Cackletta or Fawful from Mario and Luigi 1, though i couldnt really see it happening
dammets 01.14.13	putting actual characters from ff1-6 is a terrible idea to be honest. a generic black mage would be cool though
theacademy 01.14.13	demigod is mostly wrong
demigod! 01.14.13	explain
Trebor. 01.14.13	umm Kremlings were in the first DK country and Nintendo owns the rights to all DK characters, Rare were a second party there's no way they'd let them have the rights to them
theacademy 01.14.13	nintendo owns the kongs and kremlings conker i'd be inclined to agree
Trebor. 01.14.13	For some reason DK 64 isn't on the virtual console though :(
theacademy 01.14.13	maybe because of its fucking annoying ending
demigod! 01.14.13	oh i had no idea nintendo owned them i hadn't seen them in a game in so long i assumed they were hanging in limbo thought that was the only reason for those damn tiki people in DKC Returns
demigod! 01.14.13	DK64 is pretty annoying in general but carries hard nostalgia
theacademy 01.14.13	square characters, tekken characters, and metal gear characters id rather have in Playstation Allstars. Mixing mario and the beloved bubbly nintendo universe of my pre-pubescence with the equally as beloved playstation universe of my pubescence feels kinda weird.
theacademy 01.14.13	also i would like them to bring back pichu
dammets 01.14.13	frantic factory level rules hard. so dies hideout helm theme
Trebor. 01.14.13	yeah but Final Fantasy I-VI characters are more Nintendo than Sony
demigod! 01.14.13	agreed, i think they should stick with the more cartoony and light-hearted characters for Smash Bros. I mean it was jarring enough to see Snake fighting giant birds with hammers and little space dudes we don't need fucking Cloud or Kazuya running around in there too
Trebor. 01.14.13	Of course not Cloud that shit is Sony
dammets 01.14.13	wasn't there a final fantasy fighting game? that used 1-6 characters and im not sure if that game was even on a nintendo console
theacademy 01.14.13	no, they're really neither... theyre square all the way they just (to me) seem to fit in more with playstation.
auberginedreams 01.14.13	sora would be really cool but i seriously doubt it since the main games in the series are on playstation. plus it's pretty much all nintendo characters in SSB, just because sonic and snake were in brawl people think that there are going to be all of these third party characters.
theacademy 01.14.13	basically 123 what demogod just said
theacademy 01.14.13	sora would be 100x better in playstation allstars just think about all that keyblade meter
demigod! 01.14.13	Kefka would be kind of neat cause he blurs the line between cartoony and serious villain
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	It's gonna be a Long long time before a new smash bros game even comes out
Atari 01.14.13	cool list can't fucking wait for this game. also cool to see somebody that appreciates wolf link everybody usually bitches about wolf link/midna.
theacademy 01.14.13	b u45
demigod! 01.14.13	probably not that long, i mean Brawl came out what, a year after the Wii launch?
Atari 01.14.13	"It's gonna be a Long long time before a new smash bros game even comes out" nintendo is shooting for 2013 i think
theacademy 01.14.13	yea but also remember how much better melee was than brawl. (basically a billion times better) id rather they take their time and get it right.
demigod! 01.14.13	agreed, i still play Melee over brawl
Trebor. 01.14.13	End of the year bro early 2014 if it gets delayed like Brawl did Nintendo is going all out at E3 this year, new Zelda as well which they're saying is bigger than Skyrim
theacademy 01.14.13	i gave my brawl disk away cuz lol why would i ever need it
Atari 01.14.13	new Zelda as well *mini stroke
theacademy 01.14.13	all you need is a melee disk + some trill wavebirdz
Trebor. 01.14.13	"yea but also remember how much better melee was than brawl. (basically a billion times better) id rather they take their time and get it right." They took way more time with Brawl though, Melee came out 3 years after the original and Brawl came out like 6 or 7 years after Melee
demigod! 01.14.13	Nintendo is gonna make E3 its bitch this year wow
theacademy 01.14.13	yeah but the time b/w two games is less significant than the time between the system's release and the game's release. altho not sure if they just got lucky with melee
Atari 01.14.13	don't see how brawl sucks. played that shit non stop in 2008/2009
theacademy 01.14.13	nintendo hasn't won E3 in like 5 years
demigod! 01.14.13	its fun but its nothing compared to melee. i still play it though, mostly when theres people over the only thing i really hated about it is subspace emissary but yeah everyone hates that so
theacademy 01.14.13	biggest deal for new games is obviously a push between last of us and between: two souls. then there's like 10 miles of dead birds everywhere. then all other games.
theacademy 01.14.13	beyond two souls*
theacademy 01.14.13	i preeeeed it as well
auberginedreams 01.14.13	"new Zelda as well which they're saying is bigger than Skyrim" lol i doubt it, a huge world doesn't even make much sense in the context of a zelda game. plus it seemed like they were moving towards a more streamlined game design with the last game (i haven't played it yet since my wii is broken but that's what i read.) it would be cool if this was true but i doubt it.
Atari 01.14.13	every zelda game in existence rapes skyrim
demigod! 01.14.13	hes right though
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	"Nintendo is gonna make E3 its bitch this year wow" How is that when both other systems will have next gen console announcements
Atari 01.14.13	HIGH DEF ZELDA (that's all that needs to be said lol)
demigod! 01.14.13	i was mostly exadurating, i dont really keep up with the game industry these days but given that its the first year with the Wii U im hoping/they should have a great E3
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	Well I'm guessing the Xbox whatever they call it the 720 or something, but probably some exclusive games for it including bungies new game Destiny
demigod! 01.14.13	Yeah new Bungie game's concept art looks sweet
demigod! 01.14.13	if that happened andcas then insta-GOTY
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	"they should make a zelda movie. actually never mind. they'd just fuck it up." If the Super Mario Bros movie wasn't made, or made better we would have a Zelda and a Metroid movie already
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	I know there was that's what I said....
Cormano 01.14.13	"Holy fuck No More Heroes is like the only awesome M rated hardcore game on the wii" you've never played madworld have you?
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	Either way, the criticism for that movie is why Nintendo is scared to make movies now
Relinquished 01.14.13	female trainer with recent gen pokemon would be cool, they better keep all the current characters though because I'm beast at each one of them
Relinquished 01.14.13	btw Brawl > Melee because copy characters are lame. I was sad Mewtwo was out but Lucario isn't that bad.
Deathconscious 01.14.13	brawl sucks.
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	Nah it's all about original smash bros
Trebor. 01.14.13	I've been playing the shit out of Brawl lately getting myself hyped up
Trebor. 01.14.13	Original Smash Bros. is a terrible game
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	Don't take sarcasm well do you?
Trebor. 01.14.13	How the fuck am I supposed to know if you're being sarcastic on the internet if you don't use words like da and stuff like I do
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	You don't react well to things do you?
demigod! 01.14.13	original smash bros has aged horribly
pmmets07 01.14.13	every pokemon
theacademy 01.14.13	did u guys know that as of 2012 xbox 360 outsold the wii in the U.S. fucking idiot americans.
theacademy 01.14.13	like i meant to say the 360 passed the wii. 360 owners are like the E! channel scum of game owners.
ITsHxCTOASTER 01.14.13	Whoa Tom Nook would be cool as hell, too bad I don't think I'll like this game so it doesn't matter anyway
Trebor. 01.14.13	Xbox guys who shit on the Wii are the worst agreed
Chortles 01.14.13	1 so much
ChopSuey 01.14.13	Peach, Lucas, Pit and a couple others are my least favorite characters from Brawl, so I wouldn't mind if they get replaced
Chortles 01.14.13	always been hankering for lanky to be in smash bros too, his moves would be so sweet. plus he was always my fave kong
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	And where's B.O.B. on this list? Earthworm Jim would be sweet
Atari 01.14.13	dude i've never heard of B.O.B. other than through you viral lol earthworm jim would be sweet [2]
Propose 01.14.13	megaman x is the greatest series ever, i wanna play as megaman dammit
demigod! 01.14.13	agreed
feanaro 01.14.13	will probably suck. nothing compares to melee.
ViralOblivion 01.14.13	So? He would be sweet has like 8 different weapons and can have a helicopter ability and i believe he had one melee attack haha
demigod! 01.14.13	i wanna play as X or at least Zero
Atari 01.14.13	"So?" I'm not saying B.O.B. wouldn't be a cool character, just that i'm guessing a lot of people don't know about him. I'm a fucking nerd and i've never heard of him lol
ILJ 01.14.13	New Smash Bros? Oh fuck me yes. If it comes out on Wii U I will literally buy one just for that game.
demigod! 01.14.13	first 3 X's rule, classic snes gamign
demigod! 01.14.13	it's the best by far but 2nd and 3rd are still good
Atari 01.14.13	"If it comes out on the Wii u" it's not even a question of IF but WHEN
demigod! 01.14.13	man getting hyped for new Smash Bros games will never get old :'] makes me feel like a kid again
Cygnatti 01.14.13	"I mean it was jarring enough to see Snake fighting giant birds with hammers and little space dudes we don't need fucking Cloud or Kazuya running around in there too" ...Fox was in the original game... and King D3 is in kirby's game it's like the bubbliest, cartooniest franchise on the game.
Hoppip 01.14.13	I'd get Wii U and 3DS just for this game.
demigod! 01.14.13	" ...Fox was in the original game..." your point? He's cartoony as fuck, I mean he's a Fox who flies a space ship. I was saying that Snake being in that game was very bizarre and out of place, and that the series doesnt need anymore super serious characters like that
Cygnatti 01.14.13	it seemed like you were saying that Fox was out of place as well as Snake.
Aids 01.14.13	wavedash/jump-canceled-shine/back-air boom yer dead bitch FALCO'D
Trebor. 01.14.13	I love Snake but I hate him in the game, I hope he's out, same with fucking Ice Climbers like who the hell actually likes them
Aids 01.14.13	I want them to bring Mewtwo back but I know they won't. I would also love Banjo-Kazooie but that will also never happen. Wolf Link/Midna is a lock, and there will be at least one more pokemon character. Whatever happens though, it will rule. Smash for lyfeeeeee.
ILJ 01.14.13	" it's not even a question of IF but WHEN" I knew it'd come out on wii u i was just hoping they'd release it on just the wii too but oh well, I'll get it anyway. I played the fuck out of brawl.
4N4LB34D5 01.14.13	Geno, Mallow, and Booster. /thread
Atari 01.14.13	yeah ice climbers suck. snake might be cool if they made him different in the wii u (different controls/specials)
demigod! 01.14.13	I would love for Geno to be in it, but sadly I'm pretty sure he's owned by Squeenix and will probably never see the light of day again /tears
Aids 01.14.13	dude they would never get rid of snake or ICs. Snake is the second best character in Brawl and ICs are like the most entertaining to watch someone play at a high level. Have you ever seen someone desync them and chain-grab someone from 0% to death at like 130% with an upsmash? Shit is cray. Never get rid of Nana and Popo. NEVER.
demigod! 01.14.13	Ice Climbers are underrated, they can pull of some serious rape face shit.
Atari 01.14.13	did anybody else like mr. game and watch in brawl?
Trebor. 01.14.13	Aids you're taking all the fun out of the game
Trebor. 01.14.13	My sister is really good with Game and Watch, whenever a bot is Game and Watch they're awful though
demigod! 01.14.13	mr game and watch is always awesome and apparently Aids is a super pro tourney level smash bros player lol
Shogun 01.14.13	Shulk, Reyn and Dunban from Xenoblade! also, its highly doubtful we will see it this year, its only been in production for a year.
Atari 01.14.13	i always pissed off my friends when I was mr. game and watch lol
Trebor. 01.14.13	A Xenoblade character is highly likely
demigod! 01.14.13	the magnitude move he does can be so overpowered lol. His final smash in brawl was stupid as hell though
toxin. 01.14.13	Cool list Treb, agree on the ones I know (which sadly isn't too many) and honestly guys idk what you're talking about, any character can be played at a high caliber, even the shit ones like Ganondorf and Link. They prob have lower ceilings but lol at the thought of any of us plebs ever reaching them
Atari 01.14.13	so is xenoblade really THAT good?
Aids 01.14.13	there are better videos but I'm in a rush. Melee is obviously way better for combos but you can mess shit up with ICs in Brawl too. This is a good desync'd chain-grab and it ends with a forward-air spike, pretty damn cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knJkrXLHRKo
Trebor. 01.14.13	Implying Link is shitty, well compared to Young and Toon Link yeah
Cygnatti 01.14.13	atari, look at this vid and you will see the light. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSkCGa_J5wY
demigod! 01.14.13	Majora's Mask and his other forms should be a boss in the new smash bros.
Aids 01.14.13	"Aids you're taking all the fun out of the game" whaaaaat dude I love this game more than I love life, all three versions. I'm not super good but I like watching videos of people that are haha. I might go to the next Vancouver area tournament but I'll get raped. Different strokes I guess. tldr: smash bros is the best video game series ever
Atari 01.14.13	can't check youtube links at work sorry chipmunk : (
toxin. 01.14.13	Link is pretty shit though in Brawl. He's majorly slow, both in terms of movement speed and attack speed
Cygnatti 01.14.13	aids I'm a fucking beast a ssbb and if you want a fight (in bed) then you got one! >:/ except that I don't have a wii anymore. x_x
Aids 01.14.13	Cygnatti knows
larrytheslug 01.14.13	watching pros play melee is fun
Cygnatti 01.14.13	dammit atari, get outta work already!!! ice climbers are good and incredibly scary mofos
Shogun 01.14.13	also, talking about the evolution of the series, what are the chances of the new game being in 3D? The multiplayer in Kid Icarus Uprising was fucking amazing, and with more intuitive controls it could certainly work in SSB.
Aids 01.14.13	who do you main? I play Marth and Falco for Brawl, but I mess around with Lucas, Lucario, Pokemon Trainer, Wario, Game and Watch, and Sheik. Have you heard of Project M?
demigod! 01.14.13	Toon Link ftw pro level smash bros is too much for me, ill stick to street fighter haha
toxin. 01.14.13	btw sweet link Aids I think that's why IC were ranked so highly in melee (#4?), I believe the chain grab got nerfed in Brawl and even despite getting nerfed it can still do that
Cygnatti 01.14.13	"did anybody else like mr. game and watch in brawl?" Yeah, he's fun. he has the strongest set of smashes in the game.
Aids 01.14.13	song selection is shit but fucking FALCO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZ85p5yyxY Melee
toxin. 01.14.13	btw no more GC controller... gonna have to use the classic controller which is not as kool
Cygnatti 01.14.13	"btw sweet link Aids I think that's why IC were ranked so highly in melee (#4?), I believe the chain grab got nerfed in Brawl and even despite getting nerfed it can still do that" actually no, IC got nerfed in almost every way, except in recovery (I think) AND except in chaingrabbing as they can 0-death any character if they get a grab and if the IC are good enough
Aids 01.14.13	wait that's the wrong video
Keyblade 01.14.13	banjo and kazooie, and rayman for me
toxin. 01.14.13	is that right? I thought I read otherwise... hm let me look it up
larrytheslug 01.14.13	that aint falco
Cygnatti 01.14.13	flaco is a beast
Aids 01.14.13	i gotta go but you guys know sup one of my favourite melee matches right here, two of the game's best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoob08ssmvs
toxin. 01.14.13	they're ranked higher in Brawl you're right the chain grab is apparently godly in Brawl, damn. I have a nasty habit of getting chained anyways (not infinitely though) so yeah
Aids 01.14.13	gotta skip to like 1:45 before it starts haha, shit is intense
Shogun 01.14.13	Also, I thought Goemon was a Konami IP?
Aids 01.14.13	guys did you hear that Metaknight got banned at tournaments? (well, it's up to each individual tourny organizer, but if they don't ban him then the tournament isn't seen as "legit" on smashboards)
Trebor. 01.14.13	http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214428 It's easy to see why Metaknight got banned damn
toxin. 01.14.13	goddamn Aids that's ridiculous I thought Metaknight has been banned since Brawl competitive started?
theacademy 01.14.13	aids wins thread so hard fuck everyone else here
Cygnatti 01.14.13	MK isn't banned in singles tourney anymore because the experiment proved to be extremely counterproductive. In doubles, however, 2 MK's are legal. 1 MK and 1 anyone else is acceptable, and VERY preferable.
toxin. 01.14.13	oh really wow this is what happens when you don't keep up with the metagame
Trebor. 01.14.13	You guys killed my boner This is almost as bad as when people talk about playing Pokemon competitively ughh making games sports
demigod! 01.14.13	i know right, casual smash bros >
Trebor. 01.14.13	I'm not casual, I just don't play it like it's fucking baseball
toxin. 01.14.13	dude pokemon competitive rules though so much fun gives you such a different perspective on the game
Aids 01.14.13	"MK isn't banned in singles tourney anymore because the experiment proved to be extremely counterproductive. In doubles, however, 2 MK's are legal. 1 MK and 1 anyone else is acceptable, and VERY preferable." oh nice, I'm glad they changed that. I thought it was kind of stupid. I heard about the 2MK rule for doubles though. It's fine though cause MK/Snake is like the best combo since Jiggs/anyone in Melee. aww thanks acad, but if Justin were here (ITSHXCOASTER or whatever the fuck his username is) he'd be laying down the law. He's been to tournaments (plays Falco in Melee) and he's been answering all my technical questions are I try to get back into the game. ok now i DO have to go to work, but I wish I could stay and chat smash :'''(
Trebor. 01.14.13	idk I play video games to get away from people, not to play with a bunch of people ick
demigod! 01.14.13	that whole comment went right over my head, and i've been playing Melee since it came out damn
toxin. 01.14.13	god if wii online weren't shit sputnik brawl games would be a blast
Trebor. 01.14.13	Does anyone know if Wii U online is good, or is it shit like the wii? Are there even any games to play online yet?
bach 01.14.13	Hmm.....Magolor?
bach 01.14.13	I haven't connected mine yet, treb. I might find out in a couple days.
larrytheslug 01.14.13	does anyone play mario kart wii? that has decent online capability
Trebor. 01.14.13	Yeah I've played Mario Kart online, it's all right. People always want to play the same 3 levels though
Cygnatti 01.14.13	"god if wii online weren't shit sputnik brawl games would be a blast" THIS THIS THIS
YankeeDudel 01.14.13	lol at people playing any smash brothers after 64
Atari 01.14.13	i've never played smash bros. online. just played with friends and it was fun as hell quit bitching people.
larrytheslug 01.14.13	it was so disappointing playing ssbb online only to have shit connection. everything moved in slow motion basically XD
GreyShadow 01.14.13	wolf link and midna, and majora's mask link (would work like pokemon trainer, if anything it could just be the goron, zora, and deku scrub with a fierce diety transformation for a FS) would be pretty cool. Id love to see some more playable Pokemon and Zelda characters.
Atari 01.14.13	what did i just say?
Cygnatti 01.14.13	"it was so disappointing playing ssbb online only to have shit connection. everything moved in slow motion basically XD" if you have an ethernet cable or something like that, smash online gets really fast. it effects any and all participants in the battle.
bach 01.14.13	lol at people playing any smash brothers after 64 It's outdated.
demigod! 01.14.13	anyone who actually plays the N64 one for any reasons other than nostalgia is hipster scum
Cygnatti 01.14.13	doubles brawl is super hype guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSInr-scVU0
toxin. 01.14.13	"lol at people playing any smash brothers after 64" are you ever not a fucking tool? ----------------- Yeah when I played SSBB, I had some shit internet plan of like 6mbps, which was fine for PS3 gaming (esp. with like the 18 ms ping I had) but I guess awful for Brawl online. I haven't tried it with my new, faster internet but I don't think connection is the problem. With SSBB, the problem is always ping, and I think this is more a system issue. When you play SSB for hours locally then you have a feel for move delays, and anything past, maybe, 25 ms will absolutely fuck your game up
feanaro 01.15.13	oh wow look at aids it's almost like he watches competitive smash or something
theacademy 01.15.13	watching competitive smash brothers is basically the best thing youtube has given us.
Masochist 01.15.13	Megaman should've been in Brawl. He makes perfect sense for a Smash Bros. game (maybe they thought he'd play too close to Samus?)
Cygnatti 01.15.13	he'd probably play nothing like Samus tbh they just have that charge shot in common, just like how it was for Mewtwo and Lucario.
demigod! 01.15.13	mewtwo and lucario were the exact same, only difference is that lucario is gay and yeah I'd prefer Zero over Megaman because knowing Nintendo if Megaman was in the game he'd probably end up just like Samus. that said he'd be fun as hell to play as either way
Cygnatti 01.15.13	"mewtwo and lucario were the exact same, only difference is that lucario is gay" wat
Cygnatti 01.15.13	that's like saying ness and lucas are exactly the same which is dumb because ness is a lot more similar to fucking diddy kong or mario than he is lucas, except for that their special moves the similar. but special moves are like 15 % of what you'll be doing anyways.
demigod! 01.15.13	well im not a smash-head at all but at face value they seem identical
CrimsonLies 01.15.13	They need mewtwo back hmm and maybe add a few other pokemon.. I would also like to see Shadow being a playable character this time, tails as well
demigod! 01.15.13	Knuckles > I would love to play as Knuckles.
Cygnatti 01.15.13	knuckles or tails probably won't get either though
Calc 01.15.13	CALLING IT!!!! Some lead character from a "Tales of" game (Lloyd Irving or Yuri Yowell) will be in this game!!!!!
dathvada321 01.15.13	quality albums and character suggestions on this list. i think they should add the shadow emperor or whatever his name is from twilight princess
Aids 01.15.13	I'm seeing a lot of "lol 64>" or "Brawl >" and honestly, I can't decide between the three. I love them all equally, but all for very different reasons. Smash 64 I main Fox, Pikachu, and Jiggs Melee is Falco, Sheik, Jigggs Brawl is Marth, Falco, Poketrainer fuck me I love smash bros, gonna go play some project M yeeeee (Project M is a new version of smash created by fans. They imported the physics from Melee into Brawl, to essentially create "Melee version 2". The current demo version is 2.5 and it's so much fun. A lot of the attacks have changed, and some of the characters play very, very differently (noticably: Lucario, all the Poketrainer guys, Falco/Sheik everyone else got their Melee movesets back). Basically, I am the hugest nerd in this thread just by virtue of knowing of Project M) and yeah casual smash rules obviously, but it's nice to get competitive every once in a while
Aids 01.15.13	"watching competitive smash brothers is basically the best thing youtube has given us." acad we are such kindred spirits. I swear we should be pen pals or something.
demigod! 01.15.13	Luigi was always my favourite overall smasher. for Brawl i'd probably choose Olimar and Toon Link but im casual as fuck so hey what do i know lol.
theacademy 01.15.13	64 mario melee pichu brawl (nobody really because it wouldn't feel right to betray pichu)
bach 01.15.13	For melee, my character has always been Kirby. And in Brawl, Mr. Game and Watch. Bitches loves Mr. Game and Watch.
bach 01.15.13	In 64, Pikachu
demigod! 01.15.13	Game and Watch and Kirby are favourites too, and Pichu is so fun i wish he was in brawl.
bach 01.15.13	He hurts himself when he shocks foes. I can't bring myself to do it ;_(
CrimsonLies 01.15.13	I want metal sonic as well
theacademy 01.15.13	pichu lives on the edge. he bled for each and every attack he put forth. i respected the fuck out of pichu... he was like a brother to me, and i'll never give up on him as long as i live.
AngelofDeath 01.15.13	Needs: Any Final Fantasy character Raiden (MGS) Alucard (Castlevania) Knuckles (Sonic) Female Pokémon Trainer Megaman Bomberman Banjo and Kazooie or Conker Rash (Battletoads) Samurai Goroh or Black Shadow (F-Zero) Kalas (Baten Kaitos) Cress (Tales of Phantasia) Ray Mk II (Custom Robo)
demigod! 01.15.13	I would fucking love for Banjo, Kazooie, Conker or any Battletoads to be in it, but sadly I'm pretty sure Microsoft now owns their souls.
Winrar 01.15.13	ctrl + f "machamp" 0 results really guys?
bach 01.15.13	Serious Sam.
JrmyPrks 01.15.13	ugh. so hype for this game already; heard the roster may be cut, though.
feanaro 01.15.13	Get rid of Sonic and Snake. Add no more 3rd party characters. Bring back Mewtwo. Add some obvious shit like Paper Mario, Ghirahim, and Dark Samus. Make the game play essentially like Melee or Project M. Done.
pmmets07 01.15.13	winrar with all due respect i put "every pokemon," machamp very included.
demigod! 01.15.13	Paper Mario would be sweet yeah. also Fawful and maybe Skull Kid from Majora.
larrytheslug 01.15.13	ive been all about that project m thingy lately... dont really care about a new smash for the time being. theyre running out of characters to even include in the game anyways that arent just totally obscure
Aids 01.15.13	"Make the game play essentially like Melee or Project M. Done." they won't though, they took out directional air-dodges and l-cancels etc. on purpose because they didn't like how the competitiveness of Melee was alienating new players. I think this is stupid for a number of reasons. Hyper-nerds (which smash bros players are) will always discover advanced techniques to separate them from beginners, and a learning curve always exists (though it is definitely much, much, MUCH steeper in Melee/ProjectM than in Brawl). They're not gonna go backwards on that policy. They may decide that nerfing the game to the point where NO advanced techniques exist is equally stupid though, so hopefully they're done making major changes. Brawl is shit tonnes of fun even if you can't wavedash of l-cancel and the new one will rule too. We'll always have Melee/Project M for hyper-gaming. pretty sure you can l-cancel in 64 actually, which means that Brawl is the least competitive of the 3. hmm....
larrytheslug 01.15.13	the pace is much different; fast in melee vs slower in brawl. youre also way more floaty in brawl. thats the main difference. no wavedashing in brawl either, which isnt really a big deal if you just play for fun.
theacademy 01.15.13	wow grow the fuck up potato
Aids 01.15.13	"what is the difference in physics between melee and brawl doesnt make a difference to me" in Melee: -all characters fall much faster, meaning it's easier to kill yourself by doing the wrong move off the edge -you can air dodge in a direction (no direction in Brawl, you just go invisible for a bit), which means that you can short hop, then air dodge diagonally downwards. This creates a "wavedash" which is an advanced technique that is hard to do consistently, but necessary to learn to play the game at the highest level -you can cancel any lag on aerial moves by hitting L or R right before you hit the ground. (some moves have close to a full-second of lag if you hit the ground before the animation is finished, so learning to cancel them increases your speed greatly) This means that, with good technique, you can link moves into consecutive hits and combos, giving your opponent little opportunity to get away. there are other small differences, but those are the big ones.
Aids 01.15.13	btw I don't expect casual smashers to know any of this stuff. I have tons of friends that I smash with and they don't know any of this stuff. but I figured, hey we're already nerding hard about music, might as well nerd hard about smash!!
larrytheslug 01.15.13	aids knows his shit! wombo combo!!!
demigod! 01.15.13	lol Aids you must absolutely rape your friends when you smash with them then. I'm the same way when i played Street Fighter with my non-SF buds.
Aids 01.15.13	THAT WAS ZERO-DEATH!!!! THAT WAS ZERO-DEATH!!!! WOBBLES JUST MADE A 3 STOCK COMEBACK FINISHING WITH ZERO-DEATH CHAIN GRAB!!!! ZERO FUCKING DEATH!!!! I forget which video that's from but damn I love watching competitve smash tournaments get hyped. Like, every time someone hits a Ken Combo: "woah....woooooah......WOAHHHHHHHHH!"
Aids 01.15.13	"lol Aids you must absolutely rape your friends when you smash with them then. " nah I don't wavedash or shit like that haha. Sometimes I l-cancel, but we mainly just play free for alls in Brawl with millions of items. It's the only way. I'd never go nerd unless I was playing against someone that wanted to learn.
Aids 01.15.13	or a marth chain grab on FD hhhhhhhheeeeey! hhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeey! hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!! hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!! (dash-dance to tipper'd f-smash) hhhhhhhhheyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aids 01.15.13	"yeah im not very game nerdy" neither am I, this is my one thing. I've never owned an xBox or Playstation and I hate first person shooters. Smash is the only video game I have ever cared about even close to this level. I'm not usually a huge gamer nerd, but I make an exception for Smash Bros. oh and Pokemon. I EV train every time, even though it takes fucking forever.
Aids 01.15.13	"what the fuck does any of that even meeaaan" that was more for the guy who said "wombo combo" but it's just me trying to relive certain matches that are legendary in the smash scene, like Ken vs. anyone or Mew2King vs. Dr. Pee Pee. buuuuuut since you asked ;) Ken Combo is a string of attacks with Marth which ends in the opponent being spiked (shot down of the edge with no chance of recovery) a chain grab is just grabbing/throwing someone and then immediately doing it again. Only certain characters can do this, and only against certain other characters on certain stages. zero-death just means your opponent raped your face and took you from 0 damage to death without you inflicting any damage on them.
demigod! 01.15.13	look at dat wall of nerd
theacademy 01.15.13	hi animatronio!
Keyblade 01.15.13	just noticed banjoo & kazooie and rayman were already on the list, good one treb. can't wait for the new smash, gonna buy a wii u just for it probably
demigod! 01.15.13	same here key most likely i mean Brawl was pretty much the reason I bought my Wii, that and Virtual Console
Keyblade 01.15.13	had my wii for a while before i got brawl, but when i did it quickly became the best game i have. which is no small feat as i have both zelda games, galaxy etc etc
Aids 01.15.13	I'd consider buying the Wii U (90% of that decision would be cause of smash) if it was way cheaper or I wasn't way broke "look at dat wall of nerd" yeee, and proud of it!
demigod! 01.15.13	i didnt even buy mine it was a christmas present solid arguement tho potsy and @Key Galaxy 2 is still my fav Wii game, havent played the new Zelda tho despite having it on loan from a friend for months
Keyblade 01.15.13	still need to get galaxy 2 damn aids by the time new smash comes out the price for the wii u would have dropped
Gyromania 01.15.13	good suggestions, but i heard they're not going to add any new characters, but instead allow players to play with all characters from games 1-3.
demigod! 01.15.13	that's just lazy...but acceptable.
toxin. 01.15.13	"mewtwo and lucario were the exact same, only difference is that lucario is gay" broo Lucario rules. Don't get me wrong, Mewtwo rules harder but Mewtwo is too good to be beaten the fuck up by some punk ass kid Ness. Also Lucario is actually good in the games, Mewtwo was awful. Anyways we had a spectacular 3 hour Brawl fest in my suite today. m/ college has its perks.
Aids 01.15.13	yeah Mewtwo and Lucario are such differnet characters. The Neutral B move is the only similarity. I want them to bring Mewtwo back but, yeah, make him actually good, like he deserves (most badass pokemon, come on). keyblade - galaxy 1 is way better, but 2 is still more of the same fun, if that's what you're after. It's laid out like the old school games though (where you move from level to level on a map) so there's no like "home-level" that you can wander around in a la the castle from Mario64 or the weird ship thing from Galaxy 1. "good suggestions, but i heard they're not going to add any new characters, but instead allow players to play with all characters from games 1-3." I heard this too, but I think that was just a rumour. They might still do this (which would only mean reintroducing Pichu, Mewtwo, Doc, and Roy, oh and Young Link) but I saw a pretty strong rumour mill starting out about Wolf Link/Minda being included. I also think Waluigi is a lock (if they're putting in new characters) and I'm surprised he hasn't been mentioned yet.
toxin. 01.15.13	they jump similarly and extremespeed looks and acts a lot like teleport they definitely modeled Lucario after Mewtwo but they play so differently also aura sphere> shadow ball true story
demigod! 01.15.13	i actually thought Galaxy 2 was an improvement on the original. i mean, it's got fucking Yoshi! plus the lack of home world was nice and refreshing for a 3D platformer.
Aids 01.15.13	"aids by the time new smash comes out the price for the wii u would have dropped" yeah, and hopefully they can time it around May 14 (my birthday) so I can convince my parents to buy it for me! haha I'm 23 and still trying to get my parents to buy me Nintendo games.
AngelofDeath 01.15.13	Best games for Wii are Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime 3.
Gyromania 01.15.13	^nailed it.
Gyromania 01.15.13	aids: dude mewtwo is pretty far from being the most badass pokemon
Aids 01.15.13	"they jump similarly and extremespeed looks and acts a lot like teleport they definitely modeled Lucario after Mewtwo but they play so differently also aura sphere> shadow ball true story" that's true actually, yeah, but didn't M2 have weird Ness-like double jumping? that's a pretty huge difference in playstyle if you ask me. but yeah, Lucario is M2's replacement, which is too bad because I loved using Mewtwo. "i actually thought Galaxy 2 was an improvement on the original. i mean, it's got fucking Yoshi!" yeah, Yoshi rules, but they used up most of their good ideas in the first one so it feels way more like a sequel than it should. I also like walking around and discovering in RPGs, and there is none of that in this one. I know that wasn't amazing in 1, but it was something and I liked it. I hate this: Congrats you completed _____ now you can go do _______ ! It's like, fuck bitch just make some weird map and scatter that shit all over the place, I'll figure out the order myself. omg I need to play Banjo Kazooie right now erghghdghdfh why did I leave my 64 with the parentals?!?!?!!!!?
demigod! 01.15.13	u fucked up bro, Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie is my favourite series of all time.
Aids 01.15.13	"aids: dude mewtwo is pretty far from being the most badass pokemon" disagree hard. Others may be more hardcore or intimidating, but Mewtwo is a freak of nature, an experiment gone TERRIBLY WRONG and also he's the original legendary. No one can beat him (it?)
demigod! 01.15.13	Mewtwo is the most tragic pokemon
Aids 01.15.13	"u fucked up bro, Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie is my favourite series of all time." same (well, top 2 with smash). how did I fuck up? I wasn't meaning to imply I didn't like it, I fucking love it. oh you mean fucked up by leaving the N64 yeah I know :( next time I go home, gonna grab that shit. my SNES too, omg.
Keyblade 01.15.13	banjo kazooie is one of my all time favorites. fuck it, i'm popping that badboy in right now
demigod! 01.15.13	i never owned a snes :[ but ive had plenty of experience through emulators and i can safely say its my fav console. also i have BK and BT on my 360, HD Banjo bitchez!!
MeatSalad 01.15.13	Goemon would be badass, I'm thinking K. Rule, travis touchdown and maybe waluigi are shoe-ins though. I mostly just want megaman and bomberman
toxin. 01.15.13	"that's true actually, yeah, but didn't M2 have weird Ness-like double jumping? that's a pretty huge difference in playstyle if you ask me. but yeah, Lucario is M2's replacement, which is too bad because I loved using Mewtwo." Yeah you're right, he did the little loopy thing. I think I keep assuming Lucario does the loopy thing cuz he looks like a Mewtwo type player and therefore they must have the same jump... totally missed the mark on that one. idk Mewtwo was my 4th character in Melee after Marth, Young Link, Falco, and I just thought he was bad. Slow, floaty, etc. When I played Lucario I thought he was way more exciting and dynamic (plus his aerials kick ass!) even though the whole aura thing has lost its novelty. Maybe I'm just biased because I can play Lucario competitively with my friends and with Mewtwo I just couldn't. Maybe more of a reflection on my skills but I never heard of a professional Mewtwo player
MeatSalad 01.15.13	Mewtwo was sweet mostly because of nostalgia
toxin. 01.15.13	"Mewtwo is the most tragic pokemon" "I NOW UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF ONE'S BIRTH THAT MATTERS BUT RATHER WHAT ONE DOES WITH IT" lol that line always felt contrived as fuck even though that movie r00lz
Aids 01.15.13	no you're completely right: Mewtwo is impossible to use at a tourny Lucario is way better and actually has a decent spot on Brawl's tier list. He can combo really easily, and has lots of quick punishes too. Also he's really floaty (which I like, for his kind of playstyle) and has multiple options in the air. Just wait until you play Project M -- they made him sooooooooooo much better and soooooooooo much more badass in every way. His neutral air attack is this like spinning leg kick now omg it's insane. And his upB damages. and also if you get one of a certain few comobos (I know one is jab/tilt/grab/aerial) you get a bonus charge that turns any of his B moves into a way more powerful version of that move.
Winrar 01.15.13	>go to brawl tournament >90% of players use falco >be only pikachu player :
demigod! 01.15.13	that movie is so cheez i love it though
larrytheslug 01.15.13	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=capoDHrZJng mewtwo combo video. takes way more skill to use than many characters, but when mastered, he's pretty unstoppable giovanni take notes
toxin. 01.15.13	damn how do I get Project M? I remember having Brawl+ and that was sweet enough, but Project M sounds awesome
Keyblade 01.15.13	all you need is an sd card bro and boom just follow the instructions. gonna try it myself soon too. charizard is incredibly badass in it btw (all the pokemon are seperate characters too in it)
toxin. 01.15.13	@larry the problem is who you're facing I mean sure against some nub damn he might look sweet. But throw him against Ken and then lol btw forgot to mention yeah I like floaty characters too (I end up killing myself as Falco a lot because I don't recover quickly enough lol) but Lucario has a good enough aerial game to warrant that. Idk Mewtwo's was shit if I remember which is what made being in air so awful when playing him
toxin. 01.15.13	nvm apparently these dudes he's facing are really good, damn props to this guy
Winrar 01.15.13	Can i get project M through wii emulation? I can run brawl fine.
toxin. 01.15.13	sweet gonna look into project M unfortunately my wii is at home and my suitemate whose wii we play on is the type of dude who cringes at the thought of bricking his wii thru homebrew so I don't think it's an option. Maybe over summer though assuming I don't have anything better going on
Keyblade 01.15.13	it's barely homebrew bro and you won't brick the wii. and it's always reversible too.
Aids 01.15.13	Project M can be downloaded for free here (it's legal too): http://projectm.dantarion.com/ that website explains everything well, but I'll briefly give you the run down. You need an empty SD card with LESS THAN 2GB (idk why), download the files onto that. Now, load brawl, and go to the stage creation part. You have to delete all your custom stages (I know I know, suck it up), including the three default ones. Then, reset the Wii, load the SD card, and when Brawl opens, go to Valut-->Stage Selection. The Wii will think for a minute, then start glitching out (don't worry). Eventually you'll have the option to "Launch the Game" and you can take it from there. Glitches: -saving replays does not work, they're working on sorting that out -if you leave the SD card in your Wii while playing Brawl, your Wii will crash (hard) on the stage selection screen, so take it out unless you're playing Project M. It also fucked up Super Mario Galaxy for some reason so, yeah just leave the SD card out unless you are using it. They haven't added all the characters yet (notable ommissions include Metaknight and Samus) but this version has Diddy, ZSS, and Ivysaur (which were not in 2.4). Oh yeah Squirtle/Ivy/Char are all separate characters now and they're SO. FUCKING. GOOD. I think I'm gonna main Ivysaur (he has solarbeam and stun spore now!!!!!!). Enjoy!
larrytheslug 01.15.13	i need project m 2.5 still runnin the older version @xtoxin ...yeah, taj's mewtwo competed hard with silentspectre's captain falcon in one match ive seen before. i mean, no one is near as good as his mewtwo, but still..its got some pretty sweet combos and is super elusive with the floating and the teleport and whatnot.
toxin. 01.15.13	Keyblade I homebrewed my Wii about two weeks after getting it lol I don't question people's authority over their stuff tho and that guy would ahve a problem. And lol I don't even have any custom maps (had to delete them for SmashStack version of Homebrew!) so that's not an issue. This is great though holy shit. Aids you really have me interested, which only makes me more frustrated that I'm off in college with nothing to game with besides my DS.... sigh
Aids 01.15.13	dude 75% of smash bros I have played in my life was done while away at Uni. Find someone with a Wii (or 64, or gamecube, we rocked all three) and game hard. Uni for me was like 60% partying, 30% smash bros, 10% school work. I wonder why I dropped out?.......
Keyblade 01.15.13	show you friend this dude "In other words, the mod does not corrupt your Brawl data and if you want to play Brawl, you just need to remove your SD card that contains the Project M files. The entire process leaves absolutely no trace, is 100% brick-safe and is completely reversible. The most you could ever experience is a freeze if the game files are not in the proper directories.Of course, installing Project M correctly should not cause freeze issues."
Aids 01.15.13	edit: yeah, what he said. I does literally nothing to your Wii, completely failsafe.
Aids 01.15.13	I just noticed they fixed some of the bugs, the current download version is 2.5b (I have 2.5) so you will probably be able to save replays and not have cpus glitch out near the edges when you're using tether recovery
toxin. 01.15.13	"dude 75% of smash bros I have played in my life was done while away at Uni. Find someone with a Wii (or 64, or gamecube, we rocked all three) and game hard." yeah dude like I said my suitemate has it and we just played 3 hrs today but the dude is too uptight to do anything like project M so w/e I'm content just balling with vanilla Brawl but I'll ask him about it and see what he says but it doesn't look too promising he's all super Christian and stuff
Emim 01.15.13	wouldn't make sense, but having a superhero or two would be awesome. or they could just bring back the best character: DR FUCKING MARIO
Emim 01.15.13	BETTER IDEA BETTER IDEA Goku
Aids 01.15.13	"but it doesn't look too promising he's all super Christian and stuff" explain to him that the people that made Project M got permission from Nintendo and Lavasoft (or whatever that software developer is) to do this. You have to legally pay for Brawl to be able to play it. All it is, is some extra lines of codes that create a different game, but only when the SD card is in the Wii. There's no reason to be against it in any way. It's brilliant that gamers are (maybe) starting to explore creating perfected versions of their favourite games. "BETTER IDEA BETTER IDEA Goku" there was this one download for Project M that had all sorts of alt costumes for Capt. Falcon like Goku and Blaziken and Captain America, etc. etc. Lucas was kid goku haha. Another great thing about project M (possibly): we could have as many alternate costumes as the coders decided to include.
demigod! 01.15.13	blaziken would be sweet in the new smash
Keyblade 01.15.13	"they should also just fuck the bullshit and instead of making mewtwo playable again just make mew" yesss that would be awesome
demigod! 01.15.13	mew is the best pokemon so yes agreed
Emim 01.15.13	"dr mario is the shittest character of them all" you don't have to be stupid on every front, you know
Emim 01.15.13	except for that one like three posts ago where you think dr mario is bad. great track record so far
demigod! 01.15.13	nintendo should just go ahead and make a pokemon fighting game i mean its 2013 and still no pokemon fighting game wtf and Dr Mario is pointless and dumb
Emim 01.15.13	sure if you're a pleb
Aids 01.15.13	"nintendo should just go ahead and make a pokemon fighting game i mean its 2013 and still no pokemon fighting game wtf and Dr Mario is pointless and dumb" agreed on both, though Dr. Mario is "TECHNICALLY" a better character than Mario in Melee. I would cum in my pants for a game that was exactly like ssb but with all the pokemon.
Cygnatti 01.15.13	dat punk ass kid ness is a beast!