oltnabrick
11.23.12 | some are good |
Havey
11.23.12 | Maynard rocks |
NationalRadio
11.23.12 | *Thom Yorke. You put Tom |
Insurrection
11.23.12 | trent reznor |
oltnabrick
11.23.12 | Thom Bjork |
huguitoescorza
11.23.12 | you have reason........trent reznor is fucking amazing!!!! |
apert
11.23.12 | to call kurt cobain a musical genius is ridiculouse, dude can play about 4 chords and thats it |
sniper
11.23.12 | miles davis is a great rock musician, agreed. |
bungy
11.23.12 | what band was bob dylan in???? |
bungy
11.23.12 | "to call kurt cobain a musical genius is ridiculouse, dude can play about 4 chords and thats it"
ugh people like you |
huguitoescorza
11.23.12 | Kurt Cobain and Nirvana Chages The World of Rock and Roll. |
apert
11.23.12 | not really |
Dolving999
11.23.12 | Trent Reznor [2]
Thomas Erak
Jesse Lacey
Will Swan
Casey Crescenzo
Brendon Small
Ben Weinman
Matt Pike
Omar Rodríguez-López
Robin Staps
Mikael Åkerfeldt
Ryan Primack
Josh Homme
Tom Morello
Just from the top of my head. |
Trebor.
11.23.12 | "to call kurt cobain a musical genius is ridiculouse, dude can play about 4 chords and thats it"
Implying people listen to Nirvana for technical guitar or that for someone to make genius music it has to have technical guitar |
Soaringmuse
05.26.13 | ^Regardless Cobain is certainly not #1. Where's Morrissey? |
Artuma
05.26.13 | haven't seen this list, cool
Mikael Åkerfeldt [2]
Steven Wilson
Mariusz Duda
Isaac Brock
Jeff Mangum
Peter Silberman |
SpiritCrusher2
05.26.13 | Dan Swano |
dsroka005
07.05.13 | if you are gonna say alexei laiho you should throw in Jari Mäenpää |
tommygun
07.05.13 | frusciante |
dsroka005
07.05.13 | frusciante yes |
Sleaper
07.05.13 | george harrison, noah lennox and Lou reed (early stuff) and a bit of brian wilson |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | 1. Kurt Cobain
I stopped reading right there. |
PunchforPunch
07.05.13 | Pat Meteny and john mclaughlin |
demigod!
07.05.13 | (His Opinion) |
PunchforPunch
07.05.13 | yeah this guy sucks opinion my ass |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | Opinions can be unjustifiably wrong too. |
zakalwe
07.05.13 | If there existed the most technically gifted musician ever seen who could do the literal impossible on the guitar it wouldn't mean anything if it didn't connect. Cobain connected with millions. All the silliness associated with metal was obliterated by a real person who rocked. |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | Nickelback connects with millions on a daily basis, let's call them geniuses too. |
demigod!
07.05.13 | shut the fuck up. if you can't appreciate the amount of emotion put into Kurt's songs (as well as the uniqueness of his songwriting and how he basically changed the alt rock landscape) you should at least be able to appreciate his massive influence on (probably) most of what you listen to. Have some respect, asshole. |
tommygun
07.05.13 | elliott motherfuckin smith |
benkim
07.05.13 | JOHN FRUSCIANTE! |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | What the fuck?
I'm not saying Kurt didn't make good music. But the reason Nevermind connected with a broad audience is because it was, in his own fucking opinion, a sellout pop record. The fact that you, or anyone, would call Cobain a "genius" because means that you need to buy yourself a fucking dictionary and look up the word.
He made alt rock popular, yes. With four chord rock songs and some of pretty melodies. But he wasn't a fucking innovator so don't tell me that just because YOU worship the ground he shat on means he's a genius, because frankly, you're wrong. |
zakalwe
07.05.13 | Well said Dem.
Sitar, Nickelback "connect" with millions on an entertainment slant. Of them millions who actually think "thank fuck for that finally a band I can relate to who say it how it is and genuinely mean it I have found a spokesperson for my generation."
Millions did with Cobain. |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | You mean like every girl in a club who screams "O MY GOD THIS IS MY SONG!!!" every time the DJ plays Rihanna? |
beefshoes
07.05.13 | Nice list but Phil Collins instead of Peter Gabriel?!
That is disturbing. |
zakalwe
07.05.13 | Yes but with more integrity and passion for more than just the song. A foundation to base them beliefs in a market full of Michael Jackson by an artist with a stronger ideal. |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | Woah, woah, WOAH!
Did you just say that Kurt Cobain is more of a musical genius than Michael Jackson?
Michael Jackson's target audience is the ENTIRE world. Regardless of race, religion and age. You see people crying hysterically at a Jackson concert? You're saying THAT's not connecting with an audience?
Cobain connects with disaffected (and usually white) teenagers almost exclusively. |
Lowder91bird
07.05.13 | Cobain was a great musician but no genius. I can name a few people off the top of my head who are musical geniuses that were not included such as Steve Hackett, Peter Gabriel, Varg Vikernes, Ihsahn, Devin Townsend, Luca Turilli, Annie Clark, Paul Simon, Robert Fripp, Freddie Mercury, Brian May, Yngwie Malmsteen, Neige, Paul Mcartney, Kai Hansen(maybe) Thats only a few. |
zakalwe
07.05.13 | And Tom and Jerry is funny no matter what age or creed. |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | True dat. And I'm not trying to denigrate Cobain. All I'm saying is what Lowder91bird just said. While Cobain is the creator of some great music, he's no genius. |
benkim
07.05.13 | Looks like people with different definitions of the word genius are arguing here. |
ButteryBiscuitBass
07.05.13 | lol |
Kman418
07.05.13 | jeff rosenstock |
Rev
07.05.13 | Ryo |
Puzzles
07.05.13 | scott stapp
chad kroeger
geddy lee
fred durst |
Sleaper
07.05.13 | loving this debate happening. To me nirvana are the most over rated band EVER. I know i might seem ignorant, but i really did not see anything innovative or creative from cobain.
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NapalmCrusader
07.05.13 | Cobain can be easily replaced ( nothing against nirvana cuz they were one of my first bands)but you should put jerry cantrell from alice in chains instead of kurt.
Also, instead of phil collins you should put peter gabriel.
Bob Marley, Miles Davis and Prince are good but they are in the wrong list cuz they aren't rock |
treeqt.
07.05.13 | wow what a thread |
danielcardoso
07.05.13 | Here's my opinion: Nirvana is probably SLIGHTLY overrated, but they, whether you guys like 'em or not,
have changed the world of music and they have also marked a generation that had no specific identity.
Kurt Cobain was never the most flamboyant guitarist and he certainly wasn't the greatest singer of all
time, but he suited Nirvana's sound. He was the right man for the band's style. |
danielcardoso
07.05.13 | By the way, Phil Collins is not a genius at all.
He ruined Genesis. |
treeqt.
07.05.13 | so that's what makes a genius for you ok |
zakalwe
07.05.13 | Cobain said in relation to the anger and antipathy he harboured "I am the product of a spoilt society"
He was idolized by the teenage masses and respected by those who understood about being a teenager.
The opening line "Teenage angst has paid off well now I'm bored and old" to the follow up to an overnight sensation that shook the mainstream and opened the eyes of many to alt music says it all.
The man was a confused mess that ended it all, but the impact he made was unbelievable at the time and still resonates today to the ones who were there and "got it"
The only thing I can compare it to was the hysteria that everyone felt upon 7 releasing No jacket required. Pfft.
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Lowder91bird
07.05.13 | Phil Collins didn't ruin Genesis, danielcardoso. Genisis got worse because of the direction the whole band chose to take after Gabriel and Hackett left. Remember that Collins also played drums while Gabriel was the singer. He was drummer since "Nursery Crymes". So don't blame Phil for making genesis worse beacause Mike ans Tony are to blame also. I still wouldn't say they were ruined until "Calling All Stations" came out. |
danielcardoso
07.05.13 | @Lowder91bird I guess you're probably right, but when he was the drummer he wasn't the leader, he didn't have to make the big decisions that influenced the band's direction, style and purposes. When he stepped up "in the hierarchy" the band started to go south. |
danielcardoso
07.05.13 | Oh, and speaking of "Calling All Stations"... In my opinion, "Calling All Stations" is slightly underrated. Don't get me wrong, it's only poor/average, but people make it sound worse than it really is. I mean, listen to the title track, for instance. It's a great song. I guess it's just a matter of opinion... |
InbredJed
07.05.13 | Neil Young, nice
where the f@$^ is Mike Patton and King Buzzo? |
Calc
07.05.13 | wit? |
ReturnToRock
07.05.13 | YES 1, I thought I was the only one dammit!
I see a distinct lack of Jim Morrison on this list though. |
InbredJed
07.05.13 | lol, Van Morrison more like |
ReturnToRock
07.05.13 | @Sitar I, as a massive and unabashed Kurt fanboy (yes we're on a first name basis), can't really explain the difference between Kurt Cobain and Nickel...oh wait, yes I can. FUCK YOU for even making that comparison!!!
Those girls at the club (and the people who 'connect' with Nickelback) don't have a care in the world. They were the bullies at school, not the bullied. They never heard someone say 'fuck it all, fuck this world, fuck everything that you stand for' or 'I'm just a teenage dirtbag baby' and feel they were singing about them. Cobain (I know the previous two songs are not by him, btw) also had that power of connecting with us outcasts and giving us a vehicle for our angst (Tourette's, anyone?) in a way Chav Croaker or Ms Wife Beater never have and never will.
Also why I've only just brought myself around to accepting Courtney Love (I bought her record and felt profoundly ashamed) or why I consider Dave Grohl a sellout. The Foos are Nickelback (the good version of Nickelback anyway.) Nirvana were never even in the same ballpark.
*calms down* |
danielcardoso
07.05.13 | The Foos are cool... |
ReturnToRock
07.05.13 | ...for soccer mums maybe. If you're Portuguese, Foo's today= Xutos & Pontapés today. |
menawati
07.05.13 | dunno about cobain being a genius, he was certainly in the right place at the right time tho |
Chrisjon89
07.05.13 | "Those girls at the club (and the people who 'connect' with Nickelback) don't have a care in the world. They were the bullies at school, not the bullied."
this is definitely not a fair assumption to make for everybody, no matter what examples you'd use. things are rarely that simple.
and list rules. i'd have alot of these on mine too. |
ReturnToRock
07.05.13 | I'm sorry. I refuse to acknowledge or even believe that some spoiled rich bro jock has gone through the same type of shit as me. |
treeqt.
07.05.13 | ok |
Lowder91bird
07.05.13 | I said Cobain was great but no genius and thats my opinion. But comparing Nirvana or even the Foo Fighters to Nickleback is just dumb. Both those bands are more original and have more talent and I think that its pretty close to fact, not opinion. |
tommygun
07.05.13 | cobain rocked hard but he wasn't no fuckin genius, just had a sweet set of pipes and an ear for a catchy tune |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | Look, the Nickelback comparison was not a serious comparison of talent, appeal and 'genius'.
But, the fact remains that a visceral emotional connection to Nirvana has very little to do with Cobain's musical genius or lack thereof. Cobain wasn't doing anything new or original, he just took punk rock and put some nice melodies to it. That's not genius. It's talent.
When I was a teenager, Linkin Park were the most popular angsty teenager catharses. I cannot tell you the number of times someone would play 'In the End' and EVERYONE would drop whatever they were doing to sing along. And they felt every word. It STILL happens with people my age. Are you going to argue that Linkin Park are geniuses? |
ReturnToRock
07.05.13 | ^Same with me (are you in your late 20s maybe?)
No, of course not. Neither are Wheatus or Slipknot. But Kurt...augh...I can't explain it rationally, I'm a fanboy!!! He was just different from those other guys (maybe because it wasn't a calculated effort to connect with anyone but himself? I dunno. He just WAS.) |
Calc
07.05.13 | "But, the fact remains that a visceral emotional connection to Nirvana has very little to do with Cobain's musical genius or lack thereof."
this literally negates rock's whole argument since its contingent on himself being an outcast or whatever. |
ReturnToRock
07.05.13 | Yeah, I don't really have an argument. Ignore the fanboy in the room xD |
NapalmCrusader
07.05.13 | Kurt wasn't an skilled guitar player but he had a lot of passion and a big part of his works are intense ( specially in albums like In Utero ). But compared to a lot of the other grunge bands ( Alice In Chains, Screaming Trees, Soundgarden, Mother love bone, even compared to projects like temple to the dog and mad season) Nirvana didn't have the same skill and magic than most of their contemporaries. Besides, the typical shitty attitude of Kurt was annoying as fuck. |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | Haha! Late 20-somethings represent!
And yeah, I respect Cobain's music (partly cos I'm a pretty shit guitarist, but if he can make good music then darn it, so can I!) but I'd stop well short of calling him a genius, that's all. I probably need to be more careful with the flippant Nickelback comparisons. :D |
ReturnToRock
07.05.13 | Yes you bloody well do! >:(
Yeah I knew you were my age, I was 16 when Linkin Park came about and it was pretty much as you describe with my friends, too.
The way you feel about Kurt is the way I feel about Sid Vicious, and why I say he inspired me to pick up bass :D |
zakalwe
07.05.13 | A ball sack once carved into his arm 4real when asked this stuff by a journalist.
The point was lost as he was ripping of the Clash.
I'm with ReturnToRock Cobain just was and the 4real deal. |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | I'm a huge Jerry Cantrell fan personally. The guy makes such layered and intricate music without actually playing anything difficult. Adam Jones too. |
NapalmCrusader
07.05.13 | I was 10 when Hybrid Theory got released and I loved it, in fact, I still hear that record several times. But despite of the notorious singing skills of chester bennington and the electronic effects made by Joe Hahn I won't call the geniuses and they have some flaws that they need to correct. |
ReturnToRock
07.05.13 | ^Hah young'un.
Also, re: Chester's "skills", listen to Live In Texas, specifically "Crawling". That's all I'm gonna say on the subject. |
Cygnatti
07.05.13 | yeah I seriously don't consider Kurt Cobain a genius... |
Cygnatti
07.05.13 | not sure if Bob Marley is either, he's just really good at what he does.
then again I know nothing about reggae so I could easily be wrong. |
JumpTheF**kUp
07.05.13 | rather mediocre geniuses |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | Chester has mad skillz, agreed. |
NapalmCrusader
07.05.13 | Actually live in texas is overrated, milton keynes is also weak but the worst were the performance of the ATS era ( specially puta de alcala and the madison square garden are lame). They have their best performances in rock am ring, also monterrey, docklands, milan and the summer sonic of 2006, live earth and t4. |
NapalmCrusader
07.05.13 | Only girl I have a huge crush used to recommend me a lot of reggae acts, when I graduate from high school I stopped listening reggae, is good but is not my cup of tea |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | I'm actually IN a reggae band right now xD. Marley is a great lyricist, and I like the fact that he writes lyrics in a very simple down to earth way. Plus, The Wailers are pretty diverse band. |
menawati
07.05.13 | "Kurt wasn't an skilled guitar player but he had a lot of passion and a big part of his works are intense ( specially in albums like In Utero ). But compared to a lot of the other grunge bands ( Alice In Chains, Screaming Trees, Soundgarden, Mother love bone, even compared to projects like temple to the dog and mad season) Nirvana didn't have the same skill and magic than most of their contemporaries. Besides, the typical shitty attitude of Kurt was annoying as fuck."
Really it was just an example of a band being in the right place at the right time, the press jumped on them, girlies were into Kurt, the whole image of them clicked with tons of people and their music was ok too. |
NapalmCrusader
07.05.13 | My only problem with nirvana is the kurt's attitude. I don't have problem with that. Besides their single were one of the first rock songs I loved so they have a place in my heart |
SitarHero
07.05.13 | What was wrong with Kurt's attitude? |
rockandmetaljunkie
07.05.13 | No Tony Iommi ?
neg |
GuanoBumbershoot
07.05.13 | Tom Morello is pretty awesome too |
NapalmCrusader
07.05.13 | Well, he Kurt's cobbain atittude was the typical generic angsty, left wing and whinny uninformed kid which I consider really annoying. he make a lot of songs but I dislike that side of his personallity |
beefshoes
07.06.13 | Peter Gabriel |
DiegoPujolT
01.15.14 | haha, Cobain would be at number 178 if you were more objective. No way he's more of a genius than Zappa, Lennon, Cornell Waters, Gilmour, McCartney, Wonder, Gabriel and many others. |
BenThatsMyJamin
01.08.16 | You just gonna go and put evil chuck and jason becker under freaking Kurt Cobain? Like I could understand if you hadn't heard them but if they're on here there is no excuse in the world that could possibly justify putting them below Kurt. Same with Hendrix, Zappa and Mustaine |
Asdfp277
01.08.16 | cringe |
onionbubs
01.08.16 | Robert Smith
list doesn't go in order, right? |
