Yeah I watched a mini doc on this album and I'm pretty sure Pots is right. I know for sure that his family released some of these tracks and they were never intended for this album. Despite that I think there's a mostly coherent undercurrent throughout, but the whole thing does seem a bit unfinished to me in a way. That said, some of my favourite albums ever are posthumous releases.

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3 comments ago you said "none of the instruments were recorded". just pointing out to you with evidence that's factually wrong and idk why you're doubling down on this weird hill.

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Instruments not being recorded foesnt mean nothing is recorded

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gyro, is the mini-doc you're talking about Brion's interview on Zane Lowe? that's what I was referring to earlier which seems to have been misinterpreted, he says he got the files for I Can See from the family and he hadn't heard them before, but there's absolutely no indication it wasn't intended for this album. given that Mac had planned this trilogy possibly as far back as 2017, I don't see any reason to believe they had to scrape tracks together for this

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How do you make such huge leaps in logic? Who said anything about scrapping shit together? They may have had a whole albums worth of intended material but they still chose to use this other material? All of your defenses hinge on strawmanning very simple statements not sure why you are so invested

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Honestly I'm sure you are capable of using google and you've pretty much already admitted everything I said is true but then back pedalled out of there trying to change everything to fit your argument but I'm at work I cant help you much more rn

If this supposedly planned trilogy is ever released I hope the last album has more rapping in it. This and Swimming were good but I really wanna just hear Mac spitting his ass off again

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you've straight up made "facts" out of shit you've misinterpreted and used em as the basis of this whole bizarre rant. dunno if that's like a thing you need to do to justify some hot takes, you seem very heated bout this, which is a shame because when we actually talk like adults about stuff we disagree on I tend to get a good perspective and thoughts from you. really don't have the mental energy to go back and forth on this childish shit tho, pce

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Dude ur so afraid to be wrong you ignore obvious social cues just to make yourself feel "intellectual"(???) I may have slightly exaggerated the amount of instruments that weren't finished for dramatic effect, that's what 'hyperbole' is, something you use constantly when conflating all the shitty music you like. But you've admitted yourself recording was unfinished, and tracks were used from sessions outside of circles sessions thus establishing the release is hella posthumous. But ur so obsessed with being the authority on mediocre music that you had to blow pedantic smoke up your own ass doing mental gymnastics trying to make urself look like a cool guy

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idk, as a certified cool guy i think rowan's well on his way to earning the backwards baseball cap promotion



hell keep it up and next year we'll let him one strap his backpack

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This is probably the only thing by this guy I actually really like but yeah it definitely sounds unfinished. I can't really dock it for that considering but ehn.

Blue World is an ace track

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Hand Me Downs was superb

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"Who the fuck cares what thundercat said wtf"



I DO

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Hey Rowan you're missing, I believe, an "is" in the summary or something. Thanks for writing, I want to listen to this and hope I enjoy it as much as you did!

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In love with parts of this album, blue world is one of those gems damn.

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Alright sweet, sweet Rowan you conceited little shit, I have some time to humor this romper room fuckery now so here’s some quotes directly from one of the articles i was referring to to begin with for clarity and some personal explanation in terms that might trigger you less:

(https://variety.com/2020/music/news/mac-miller-ariana-grande-vocals-album-circles-jon-brion-1203473585/):

“I mean, that was a pre-existing track. There were a few songs the family gave me that he’d been working on independently that I thought fit thematically with what we had worked on. ‘I Can See’ was one of those… I played some things on those tracks to make them feel like the others, but those vocals were already there. It wasn’t like an executive decision or anything.”



“the whole plan was he was going to go on tour and then, when he came back, we’d go into a large room and I would bring the instrument collection. We basically had an album’s worth of complete songs we had done together. The only things that were left undone were things that we needed to do in a bigger room than I had in Burbank.”



““When I heard ‘Once a Day’ on that plane, it was like a knife in the heart,” Brion said. “I cried even when I was in the room with him recording it. And then, later when I was back in the room adding a guitar part or something to finish it, I would have to listen very closely to the vocal and it would just pulverize me.”

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Now I’ve E-KNOWN you for some years now and I’d hazard a guess that you aren’t autistic, so I find it hard to believe you would think that what I meant about the entire collection of instruments being recorded post-humously was: “No recording was done whatsoever, just a bunch of vocals suspended in thin air waiting for all the music, duh”. I’m guessing that that was just your fanboyism turning you insufferably pedantic for some sort of ego trip. I understand that you have an impressive PHD in Easy Mac Google Article Reading Comprehension, but surely someone as over-dramatic as yourself understands ‘hyperbole’.



So based on the mass amount of information on this album out there within a quick google search you can establish that not only were recording and production incomplete when Lil Mill died, but so were mixing and mastering. Post humous releases often are as simple as just a quick remix/master to otherwise completed b-sides and rarities etc. That itself is even beyond the state of completion this was. You can also establish from the vast expanse of readily available information that Brion was heavily involved in virtually every aspect of the album from its conceptualization to its organization, enough so that he was called on to put together - as best he could - the finished product that Miller would have wanted the album to be. So you’re deadass sitting here on your dumpy ass trying to tell me that these extra songs that were not part of Brions sessions with Mac, given to him by Mac’s fam, were more likely just completely unbeknownst to him rather than not a part of their sessions for the album? You think he wouldn’t know Mac was hitting up his ex Ariana fucking Grande for vocals for a song to specifically be used for the album they were working on together? You’re absolutely delusional if you think that’s a better interpretation given all the information about Brion’s level of involvement that’s readily available.



This album is a product of Brion and others taking the bones of an incomplete album and using all of their first-hand knowledge of working on it with Mac to finish recording, format, compile, mix, and master it to match their best interpretation of his vision for it. You think Mac wouldn’t have been involved in those stages if he weren’t around? You think this is an exact replica of what it would have been? This is a posthumous release, derived of previously unfinished songs and material including select songs from who-the-fuck-knows-where that are almost assuredly not a part of the sessions for the album.

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Gang Starr just last year released one of the best posthumous releases of the decade. Seems like desperately refuting that this is a glorified posthumous release is a weird hill to die on (your fav expression of all time, i know), when it does nothing to detract from it’s impactfulness. In fact saying otherwise mostly just detracts from the insane level of work and consideration Brion gave this to bring it to fruition. If posthumous releases were always this honest and involved they’d be received a lot more positively.



So in summation, go splash around in the kiddy pool where you belong, turbo-nerd. Don’t be such a fucking loser about such weird shit. This is wayyyy too much Mac Miller information to be cool I can't believe you made me do this.