Kendrick Lamar DAMN.
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dreamgauze
May 3rd 2017


910 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

But what is good taste? Being familiar with a genre is cool and all, but does familiary reflect expertise? And is something within a genre in good taste only because a musical elite the genre believes it to be good?

dbizzles
May 3rd 2017


15193 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

@Collective hahahahaha

TheCollectiveFacade
May 3rd 2017


1276 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

im serious, i am a big fan of GKMC

dbizzles
May 3rd 2017


15193 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Hey, me too dude.

TheCollectiveFacade
May 3rd 2017


1276 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

ya i saw the 4.5

Azertherion
May 3rd 2017


510 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

"does familiary reflect expertise?"

I've read an article about it some time ago, sadly it's in french, and translating it would take too much time.



There are two factors about it. Familliarity and listening. The first one is about understanding how a certain genre works, the second one is about being alble to discern the elements about music in a more profund way.



There are no good or bad tastes; the taste is the result of your feelings while comtemplating art. It's not about it being good or bad; it's just there. As you said, one likes what he likes.



However artistical quality isn't immediatly determined by your immediate feelings when comtemplating art. Being able to ear nuances, subtlety, variations, etc...in music takes time, and requires experience.



There is no "musical elite" apart from the ones you consider as such. If you think that one's expertise is worthy given it's experience on a subject, you'll consider him as elite, however there's no assurance that he's constently wrong nor right.

As I said, "pure" objectivity is unreachable. There's no insurance that quality even exists; however empirical assumptions leads us to believe that art tends to a greater beauty that it sometimes reflects, and this reflection is due to the artwork's style.



A inexperienced reader reading "In Search For Lost Time" won't probably find it remotly interesting while Harry Potter would easily become his favourite book. However experienced readers are categoric; "In Search For Lost Time" is surprinsigly enough richer and overall better than Harry Potter. Not because the Harry Potter saga is bad (it is not), but because In Search For Lost Time's style is simply superior in every points. Of course "experienced readers" is once again subjective; it's determined by whoever you trust to be an expert.



All in all there's no proof that In Search For Lost Time is better than Harry Potter, yet believing the countrary would be a quite naive opinion. Everything resides in this paradox.



dreamgauze
May 3rd 2017


910 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

All this hence why I'm not every anal about ratings, music, entertainment... The objective goodness (which is not wholly factual) of any single piece of art is personally too trivial a matter for me to focus on whenever I listen to music.



I look for music based on my emotions, how I'm feeling and what I'm really feeling musicially at the moment.. My feelings on certain albums and artists are different in certain enviroments, my ratings don't really mean much because ultimately my taste or distate for certain things depend on time and environment. Perhaps my lack of insight into the objective qualities of music lessens the relevance of my opinion, but ultimately I'm into music just out for myself, finding sounds that appeal to my ears.

dreamgauze
May 3rd 2017


910 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

The objective quality of, for example, a written piece in a specific genre is still a strange concept. Are we judging its nuance and qualities comparatively to the pieces that came before itself in its genre? Is it objectively bad or good to some degree because it distances itself or otherwise to the stylistic qualities of its predecessors?

rabidfish
May 4th 2017


8690 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

yea I ain't reading all that.



y'all probably wrong about it, tho

dreamgauze
May 4th 2017


910 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

TL;DR

Musical style and technique is objective, your familiarity with a certain genre makes the value of your opinion more relevant, but taste is ultimately subjective.

rufinthefury
May 4th 2017


3962 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"A inexperienced reader"

dreamgauze
May 4th 2017


910 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Didn't say I agreed with everything Azer said but there was some good insight

rufinthefury
May 4th 2017


3962 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Anyone who quotes Kant is a cunt



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SUWK_pWrbw

Azertherion
May 4th 2017


510 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Implying you understand anything about Kant

rufinthefury
May 4th 2017


3962 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Implying it matters

Azertherion
May 4th 2017


510 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

Yeah, pretty much what I thought someone who declares "only idiots quote Kant" would say.

Wolfhorde
May 4th 2017


15387 Comments


Yeah Idk this is not as good as TPAB. And this rap/rnb singo whatever intersection shit is super lame.



dreamgauze
May 4th 2017


910 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

For me it's more concise and relistenable than TPAB. Plus this shit has Duckworth and that song is stellar as fuck

Wolfhorde
May 4th 2017


15387 Comments


Idk, there's just quite a bit of stuff here annoying me. I don't like the beats, the bass is way out there. I don't dig the singing. On PRIDE Kendrick sounds like he's about to take a nap, on some songs he sounds a bit nasal/too high in the pitch and generally this whole thing just lacks energy and direction for me.

I mean, Kendrick was never a rapper who had super high levels of energy behind his music in the first place but that's not his strength either. This album just sounds kinda haphazard to me.

guitarded_chuck
May 4th 2017


18070 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

hiP hOp



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