Still think it gives off a whiff of wasted potential and sameness but it's very powerful stuff
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Album Rating: 4.0
agree with the sameness. while it is powerful and I appreciate that they're very empowering and raising awareness, the whole drama with Falls festival made my eyes roll a bit.
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nah imo it was valid criticism of falls fest
also is the closer on the new album about the death of georgia's dad and the closer on the last album about the death of georgia's stepdad?
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Album Rating: 4.0
some of it was some of it wasn't, i was more referring to the whole complaining part about them not being put main stage.
i know the closer on the new one is about her dad but not too sure about this one
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apparently they had more numbers than most main stage acts, so on that basis i think their criticism of the festival is valid. but becuz those numbers were only concretely evident on the day of the festival when all the bands were already allocated to stages, maybe its also valid to argue that falls just didnt know how big camp cope are (altho i dunno how the pros estimate attendance and whatnot). imo camp cope are in the right BUT falls can kinda get thru the blame for that particular issue this year and remedy the issue by booking CC to a main stage next year (+ book more ladies).
sorry to be gettin all political in the comments and stuff but i dont rlly have any friends who like music IRL so i can only rlly talk about music related stuff on the web
also
So many references to what the singers currently watching on the box on this album
haha never actually really realised this before (altho i recognise all the tv references) but its damn true. maybe someone noticed and said somethin to gmaq about it cuz theres 0 tv references on the new one as far as i know.
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Album Rating: 4.0
nah fair call man, though I agree that they probably should have been playing at perhaps a later time, I think they're doing incredibly well for a band that has existed for less than three years, and to kinda make a song and dance about it is perhaps a little disrespectful to bands who've been slogging it out for years and never really got that chance to appear at a festival like falls at all. I'm all for gender diverse lineups as long as there's no considerable drop in quality in artists booked in order to achieve the balance. Again this issue does run far deeper than who festivals book themselves and so I think for Camp Cope to perhaps attack the festival directly is kinda scapegoating a bit. Falls have had pretty diverse lineups in the past and it's not logistically possible to get it right everytime, but I'm sure after this a lot of festivals will be booking with these issues in mind.
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they seem entitled as hell honestly
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Album Rating: 4.0
they've done a lot of good things for the scene and stuff but that one thing seemed a bit entitled considering most bands above them on the lineup have been kicking around for 5+ years and they're relative newcomers.
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those bands only got there because of the patriarchy
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they seem entitled as hell honestly
nahhhhhh im not convinced you can raise a good example of their entitlement but if you've read up on them a bit and still maintain that opinion then i can respect that
to kinda make a song and dance about it is perhaps a little disrespectful to bands who've been slogging it out for years and never really got that chance to appear at a festival like falls at all.
imo this doesnt matter. if you're more popular / write better songs than a band thas been around for a million years, you should probably be on a bigger stage / better timeslot than the old band. your band being old means literally fucking nothing in this situation; festivals arent like "hmmm we should book this band cuz they've been goin hard for a while so lets reward them by givin em a slot" and concertgoers and listeners dont base their preferences on that consideration; they care about whether they think the band is good, first and foremost. camp cope had more numbers than a lot of main stage acts; therefore, they should get bumped up next year.
I think for Camp Cope to perhaps attack the festival directly is kinda scapegoating a bit.
i dont think camp cope are so stupid as to think that taking on falls festival is taking on all the gender inequality at music festivals in the world. i think they know that this is the norm everywhere, and they're just comin down a bit hard on falls to loudly, clearly raise an example of the issue. really, it coulda been any festival, but its probably irrelevant which one they chose to spotlight. i mean bein mad about their whole stage/time slot situation coulda sparked the whole thing but i dont think that makes their point less valid.
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I'm all for gender diverse lineups as long as there's no considerable drop in quality in artists booked in order to achieve the balance.
here's my theory: i think you can pretty much always achieve a 50/50 gender balance of really good artists on any festival. simple as that. however, i think the real issue lies in whether a festival is willing to book less popular artists in order to boost diversity. the whole thing with festivals is they're gonna book artists that they think people will wanna come to see. doesnt matter how fuckin great some artist you never heard of is; if you aint heard of a good number of the artists, you arent gonna fork out the ticket price to spend a whole day seeing bands you're not already interested in.
to emphasise: i dont think its about "quality" of the lineup. i dont think that a band getting booked to a festival necessarily means they're making the best music out of whatever stock of artists the festival is picking from. i think festival bookings are about how popular the bands are.
last thing: im not sayin all festivals gotta book perfectly balanced diverse lineups right now now now now cuz imo getting closer to gender equality and equality for all different kindsa people is an incremental process. if anything, the problems are rooted in visibility of diverse artists (in all areas, not just festival lineups) and what listeners gravitate towards, which all stems from social issues beyond the music world, BUT festivals still have a responsibility to help to promote diversity (if not perfect balance, then certainly some greater amount of diverse artists), and they should strive to do that.
**addendum: i dont mean to sound like im attacking y'all; just tryna be like emphatic and rhetorical and junk** ;)
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You're a solid person, dimsim
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Also, never listened to this band, what songs would you recommend for a first timer?
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awwww thanks CH
uhhhhh hard to pick a good first time recommendation but maybe the songs "lost" or "trepidation" from their first album? schoonda's key picks seem to be "trepidation" and "west side story" https://campcope.bandcamp.com/album/camp-cope
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Yeah, those songs aren't bad at all. I'll jam the album on my drive home, seems good though.
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cool cool if you're driving at night this might be a real mooooody one to put on tho
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Alas, I'll be driving at 1:30pm lol. But it IS super rainy and dreary outside, so I'm sure it'll have the same effect, haha.
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Album Rating: 4.0
not feeling attacked at all dimsim! it's good to be able to openly have a conversation about it.
Agreed on your point about festival lineups booking bands that will sell the most tickets, at the end of the day it's a business and you gotta make money. It's not always as simple or clear cut as many media outlets portray, scheduling and payment can be a big issue with things like this, but it's cool to see that many festivals are taking initiative and aiming for 50/50 balance by 2022.
I think the reason they were probably lower on the bill and not playing later has a lot to do with metrics on social media, example they only have 30k facebook followers, and that probably played a part in it, I'm sure there's more to it than that but I think that's definitely part of the equation.
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Album Rating: 3.0
wow fuck literally every one of y'all new album is tight
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Album Rating: 4.0
new record rules
the face of god is so crushing. really hope that one's not about wil
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