johnny: i'm arguing that specific point because he tried defending it. saying you don't like something because it isn't challenging enough is extremely douchey tbh. something being 'challenging' doesn't inherently make it good, and 'accessible' literally means 'easily approachable.' idk how that could be used in a negative context.

idk :/ the approachability of it wasn't necessarily my beef with it, so I can't really elaborate on his angle I guess

Album Rating: 4.5

man gyro u sure are good at chirping and bitching



all you're doing is cherry picking and then guiding my criticism away from the point to make your auto-fart-asphyxiating self feel like a big fuckin' boy who can tie his shoes all by himself you two-faced twit



i liked the last album so much because it was challenging



this new one is not challenging, at all, which is why i called it overly accessible compared to what i enjoy hearing from her



which is in no way whatsoever the massive swooping generalization of all music that you decided you wanted it to be for the sake of being a brash insufferable dick about it.

yeah true, gyro would have a point if it was the first album of hers you heard

potsy i'm really not trying to come across as two-faced... i was legitimately confused and i think you were wrong to say that. i didn't want to turn it into a grammar war, i was just pointing it out. you challenged me on it so i challenged you back. obviously you have more valid criticisms of it, which is fine, but that one in particular is a pet peeve of mine. i still don't think you used it correctly (and if you did, again, what? like i get what you mean but it's not what you said)

no point in starting a war about it, just consider what i said and move on from it.

I sadly find myself on the Johnny/Potsy side of the argument. The new album is just... terribly disappointing compared to this one. I honestly was kinda hoping for a more poppy direction but I thought she would do something interesting with it, but I basically agree with johnnys comment 100%.

"Feel you" for example is such nondescript, boring track.

Holter in a recent interview for Fact magazine:

"I’m a very normal person, I’m not the most high level avant-garde listener to music. I get right to the basics. People don’t really portray me as that but that’s very much the way I am – I listen to songs, I listen to ballads, I’m into songwriting and that’s what I do."

So there seems to be a misunderstanding from people expecting something "difficult" or "avant-garde" from her work. That has never been her intent, as her discography makes clear.

The progression in her discography makes it clear imo that she isn't interested in being a "difficult" or "avant-garde" artist. Every release has been more soaring, catchy, and accessible than the past. So it's a bit odd that people are jumping on her now for not being the avant-garde artist she never wanted to be.

Haven't listened to the new one yet but a 'poppier' sound was pretty much what I was expecting and I was actually hoping for a bit more refinement in her sound which judging by some of these comments may well be the case.

idk i'm confused because I think the new one is easily atleast as challenging as this one if not more

I agree it's more focused and a little more singular style-wise but i feel like it's pretty damn intense and cluttered and loud too or is that just me

"It's definitely more "focused" in terms of style, it still has elements of all her previous work but they're all kinda mish-mashed together to focus on this one overall sound."

That sounds exactly like what I was hoping it to be like.

^ yeah. I'm not disappointed with the direction, just with the overall quality.

I would definitely recommend giving it another chance/s Ed, it grew on me a lot, I thought it was really boring the first few listens. Idk, by challenging I guess I just mean unconventional? There are some nice poppy songs here (Feel You, Sea, Everytime Boots) but for the most part I feel like the songs just really drift but are anchored by these huge, sharp, groaning string arrangements, it's just not very accessible imo

her new album reminded me of Bon Iver Bon Iver a lot in how it sounds, the progression from her last album, and how it grew on me since I found both to be boring and pretentious at first

Yeah as in it's more impressionistic and less direct than For Emma, just like I feel Have You In My Wilderness is more impressionistic and less direct than this

holy FUCK

are you just spouting incoherent nonsense or...?

"The progression in her discography makes it clear imo that she isn't interested in being a "difficult" or "avant-garde" artist. Every release has been more soaring, catchy, and accessible than the past. So it's a bit odd that people are jumping on her now for not being the avant-garde artist she never wanted to be."

this ^

"So it's a bit odd that people are jumping on her now for not being the avant-garde artist she never wanted to be."
I don't see anyone doing that. From what I've seen on other sites, a lot of people are praising her decision.