Ah. I've listened to this and was not impressed tbh. For me, it's just too long. If they trimmed it down to one concise disc, my opinion would be more favorable.

Album Rating: 4.0

I agree

Album Rating: 4.3 | Sound Off

It's just too long? Stop the album when you're done listening. It doesn't mean that it's bad or deserves a lower rating if all the songs are good.

Album Rating: 3.0

Bring this precise avg rating system to the masses Willie!

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

Most of the staff doesn't like this, Willie?

Album Rating: 4.3 | Sound Off

Most of the staff are into indie/alternative (or whatever) and the few into metal tend to shy away from anything remotely mainstream.

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

Weak. Gotta get that staff diversity up (i.e. more metal).

What post-2000 metal albums would you consider "not generic" Viper?

i said it BEFORE WILLIE DELETED HALF THE THREAD

I'm definitely into albums that are more concise. Here their presentation is just not diverse enough for me (despite some extra elements this is still the style they've always played for most of the time). These tracks also tend to bleed into one another, which makes for a fairly monotonous listen. Still... the reason I don't like it a lot might be that I'm not really fond of this style of metal.

Album Rating: 4.5

oh well, at least I tried.

Album Rating: 3.5

Stop the album when you're done listening. It doesn't mean that it's bad or deserves a lower rating

if all the songs are good.



Album length despite good songs can hurt bands with a fatiguing sound(not saying Soilwork are do).

Lamb of God are big offenders IMO. I have a hard time getting through their records but I love

individual songs.

Only given this one spin so far, but I got a pretty good first impression. Let the First Wave Rise is my favorite song so far.

Album Rating: 4.0

"We need more staff like Willie and Crysis."



Hear, hear!!

Album Rating: 4.0

Hey, Skele! You really think figure number five is better than both Chainheart and Predators Portrait?

Album Rating: 3.0

this is pretty great. Way too long for anything over a 4. I've started to enjoy shorter albums/eps more in my "old" age.

jmh check out at the gates - gardens of grief

even willie's heard it

Album Rating: 3.0

yea i have slaughter of the soul. Its pretty awesome. Ill check out their other material at some point. Haven't listened to much swedish metal for a while. Mainly bc all the bands I liked starting sucking.

slaughter of the soul sucks, it's watered down sterile poo poo and a lame shadow of a band that was once righteous and supreme

Also gardens is an EP which is why I rec'd it