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Album Rating: 3.5
Yeah Jamie FII is actually pretty great, I'm close to 4ing it. And Dereks contributions are pretty underrated, has some very enjoyable stuff. Plus he uses an actual Hammond B3 for the recording. I might have to 4 it just for that. mmmm I love me some organ.
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Dude the prechorus of New Millenium, DAT wah wah
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I came to read some FK discussion and I have DT instead.
Just joking. Nice to see some actual music discussion for a change. I would be glad to join you, but I never liked DT. Tried a couple of records and some tracks here and there, never clicked with me.
If prog rock bands started to record 30-40 minutes albums, I might jump in the ship, but these days I do not have the time or the interest in hearing 70 plus minutes opus of instrumental wankery. No offense there.
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@Omair: Yeah love that bit, New Millenium is a great song.
Haha not quite sure how we got onto DT, Zettel.
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Idk, most of FII didn't click for with the exception of Hollow Years, Peruvian Skies, and Trial of Tears. Those ones are great.
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Btw, my next Flower Kings review is Retropolis.
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Haha Zet yeah had to b*tch about DT.
Nah man I feel you brah. Old school prog was when albums were 45ish minute albums. I discovered prog with modern bands and was awe struck. But when I went back to the 70s stuff my mind was blown. That was the era. Those guys were doing things that modern bands are still afraid to do. But I guess they could because the genre was kind of flourishing back then.
Going in order I see, Nightmare
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It should appear in 2-3 days.
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Those guys were doing things that modern bands are still afraid to do
That is probably why the most "progressive" music is found in electronic music nowadays. Perhaps there is modern prog rock that is pushing the envelope, but I have not found it, during my intermittent search in the genre. Not that music has to "push the envelop", for sure, but I was under the impression that prog rock was about that.
I met a guy that was under the opinion prog rock killed the true spirit of rock 'n roll. I think I talked about this with Jethro, but the underlying idea was that prog rock was an academic approach to music. People looking for immediacy and something to relate and connect with found, instead, these epic works whose meaning had to be slowly deciphered and assimilated, even demanding some technical knowledge to be fully appreciated.
To an extent I agree with the above and certainly that is one of the reasons prog rock remains, for the most part, a niche genre. But who said that rock only could have one specific approach? It is all good as long as you can find some artistic expression in there. The endless possibilities of music is what makes it all the more interesting. 70s prog rock has some truly gems that have not, at the very least, been topped in modern days. Why not? Interesting question.
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I must add that The Mars Volta have done some very, very interesting stuff and, to my ears, it is prog rock that tries to move forward and has its own vision.
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"I met a guy that was under the opinion prog rock killed the true spirit of rock 'n roll"
Yeah and then prog got killed by punk. I guess every generation has a group of rebels that want to do things differently. Yeah prog is accused of being too pretentious and too academic, and those points definitely apply to quite a few bands.
But there's so much you can do with the instruments rather than sticking with the way things have been done for so long (like rock n roll). I mean the sounds you can get from the instruments is incredible, the bass can sound like a guitar and a guitar like a keyboard, etc. I don't understand how people limit themselves to certain techniques on their instruments when there's so much room for experimenting. I think prog was about that, breaking the 'standard' song structure and seeing how much they could distort it. Sometimes it has poor results, other times magnificent.
2 different prog bands can sound completely different and it takes a while to determine that its prog, while a lot of other genres are instantly recognisable (from what I've heard). And prog is pretty diverse eg. Mars Volta, Karmakanic, Dream Theater, King Crimson and TFK are all prog.
Yeah essentially the word progressive was more relevant in the 70s when the music was actually pushing the envelope, but then it became a typical genre tag and had embraced certain unique characteristics which bands had to adhere to. So in essence the term progressive can't be applied according to its actual definition of moving forward, but its just become a genre tag now. And prog "elements" are actually emanant in a lot of genres now, so theres a bit of prog around in other genres.
I don't want to come off sounding like a genre fanboy so imagine me saying this in a 3 piece suit, on my brown leather sofa sipping some tea, with my legs folded (obviously).
That was friggin loong. If you had trouble falling asleep, just read this.
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Prog rules.
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You know it was easier if I just said that.
p/
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It's a wide world that prog rock has gotten around to. Brittain, Italy, U.S., Sweden, Germany, Finland, much of Europe, Canada, and someday it will reach throughout the whole world.
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@Omair: You make a lot of sense.
"but then it became a typical genre tag and had embraced certain unique characteristics which bands had to adhere to. So in essence the term progressive can't be applied according to its actual definition of moving forward, but its just become a genre tag now"----That is basically it. Personally, I do not care if music is truly "progressive" or not as long as it is "good" and personal, but like your words imply, maybe the spirit of progressive music simply just moved to another genres. Between The Buried And Me, for better or for worse, sounds modern and is in many ways progressive music; maybe Kayo Dot is the new progressive music, or post-rock in general.
If prog rock in general stopped sounding "edgy", other forms of music picked up that spirit. I agree with you.
I don't want to come off sounding like a genre fanboy so imagine me saying this in a 3 piece suit, on my brown leather sofa sipping some tea, with my legs folded (obviously).
It could not be another way ;-)
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Really good work for reviewing this album, man. Have a well deserved POS.
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Thanks, man. The Flower Kings need a lot of reviews to fill the studio collection in, so I very much game to do that.
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Go West Judas rules
Excellent review
Interesting thread (I wish my English was better, so I could participate to it)
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All that matters is p/. Btw I love 'p/' Jethro :-D.
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P/ is all that matters. Jamie Twort was the instigator of that P/ by the way.
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