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JakeStallion
December 9th 2012


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My favorite on DITW is a tie between Art of War and Down, or I'd Like to Die if bonus songs are included. Art of War's lyrics are nothing special, but everything else about the song just resonates with me so well. When the synth comes in the intro, it sends a shiver down my spine every time. It's so well executed.

tiesthatbind
December 9th 2012


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I think the Down/Cable Car comparison has been made before multiple times actually. The riff is kinda similar but otherwise the song has a different vibe so I never thought of it sounding that much the same.

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


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Album Rating: 4.0

I just noticed it the other day. I hear you, Cable Car has a little more of an uplifting, kind of energetic feel to it and Down is very somber. I just looked and they aren't in the same key, so its not that.

toxin.
December 9th 2012


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Album Rating: 4.5

The lyrics are pretty bad so I advise you continue to not think about them much. Down is awesome too, I think I like it more than UWCC. But there's definitely a similarity between it and UWCC. I don't think it's key---I played both on guitar and they have different chords. Down is G Major (but played w/o D Maj which is why it sounds minor) and UWCC is C# minor but don't quote me on either of those.

toxin.
December 9th 2012


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And yeah, UWCC is definitely uplifting and Down isn't really, but I can't help but feel they're really similar in some sense or another. Even past the whole raw acoustic thing

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


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Album Rating: 4.0

You are right on UCC, but Down is in E minor. G major is the relative major (same key signature) of E minor tho, so you were close.

You may have just got theory'd.

toxin.
December 9th 2012


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Are you sure? I'm like 98% sure you play a b minor chord in there and I'm 97% sure that the fifth step
in a minor is still major, so you should be playing B Major, not b minor if it's in E minor.

Then again my theory's rusty after almost two years of not doing any, and I'm much better at looking
at sheet music than basing it off of what chords are played in a song.

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


6825 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

If I remember right that is something did back in the classical music era. You don't have to make the 5th chord a major chord, its an accidental and was used to get back to I, the tonic.

The main chord progression in Down is this: Em Bm C G





toxin.
December 9th 2012


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Album Rating: 4.5

"If I remember right that is something did back in the classical music era."
Hm, what do you mean "that"? It's not just a technique---i ii(dim) III(aug) iv V VI vii(dim) is (again this may be incorrect, since I'm getting fuzzy) intrinsic to a minor key, which is what this is.

You're right that they could've used an accidental to make the normally Major V into a minor v. I have no experience in writing songs so at this point it's less grounded in theory and more based on my own speculation, but I haven't heard of anyone using the fifth step as minor---it just goes against my training as a pianist that you always leave the 5th step alone. The easiest way is probably to hear what the last note of the song is since that generally ends up being what key it is (well major or minor is to be determined) so I'm gonna do that

(btw I love that I can have these discussions on Sputnik!)

toxin.
December 9th 2012


12805 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

never mind it doesn't sound like the song ends in tonic
but the main riff or whatever does end in E so you're probably right
I'm intrigued on their use of b minor though

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


6825 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

If you make the 'v' of E minor (which is a B minor chord) a V, it would add an accidental into the key signature. It would change the v (a B D F# chord) to a V (a B D# F# chord), which would be out of the E minor key signature (which is just an F#).

In the classical era of songwriting, they used the V in a minor key signature to go from V to I for the resolution. In a modern style of composing, you don't have to do this.

It's actually i ii (dim) III iv v VI VII for a minor scale. You are thinking of a Harmonic minor scale with the III (aug) V and vii (dim).

That was fun, lol.

toxin.
December 9th 2012


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Album Rating: 4.5

thaaaaaaat would explain everything!
natural minors are jokes on pianos. Like no one plays them because they sound like absolute shit. Well they probably do now in contemporary because I'm pretty sure contemporary composers create music just to piss you off. But yeah.

I need to take a modern music theory class and get with the times. Damn, thanks for the daily dose of knowledge!

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


6825 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I haven't really written anything for piano (just simple stuff). I've written music for guitar and string quartet, but that's about it. I like composing. It's fun, just haven't done it for a while.

To be honest, you might have trouble finding a specific modern theory class. Most music schools seem to be pretty hard up on the classical, romantic, baroque periods, etc. The school I went to pretty much just glossed over anything that happened after the 1900s.

Chortles
December 9th 2012


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Album Rating: 2.5

tl;dr?

Digging: Cocteau Twins - Treasure

toxin.
December 9th 2012


12805 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Ah I've seen. I mean the thing with piano is you study the greats of the past and tend to start thinking like them. It didn't even cross my mind that modern artists would use natural minor because literally minor in piano thought = harmonic minor (at least however far deep I went to, it's not like I'm a piano buff or anything. Only about 10 years of formal training)

And yeah I'd think so too but I know my college offers a lot of courses on modern music theory. This quarter there was The Beatles and the next one there's like Bjork and Radiohead I think. It's pretty cool and so I hope they might have some classes on music composition or something in modern rock and jazz or something like that. Not sure, but I'm optimistic it exists. But that's pretty cool that you write music, but how do you write it if you can't play it? (e.g. you obv can't play string quarter). I'm guessing online tools?

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


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That's awesome. Your school has a leg up on mine, lol. Some schools are just stuck in the past and turn their noses up at anything considered modern or non classical.

Well, you basically have to do some reading on the instrument and find out what the instruments limitations are and write it in something like Finale or another music sampled program (there are a few I used in college but I can't remember the names) and then have your composition teacher tell you all the things you are doing wrong and fix it for the next week. That was my experience anyway.

I had a terrible time writing for stings (violins, violas, cellos, etc.) at first, so I started arranging piano pieces for string quartet to help me figure things out. That way I had a blueprint to start out with and then I could just fill in any blanks and change a few things here and there to my liking. Then I started getting decent at writing my own stuff.

toxin.
December 12th 2012


12805 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Damn, I never responded, sorry man.
Yeah, I think it's probably because I go to a pretty big university, so naturally more classes are offered.

And ah, I see. Yeah, I've done a few things on Finale, but that was mainly using it to transcribe stuff for guitar class for extra credit. Haha at the composition teacher bit. That's all really cool though, sounds like something I want to do. Unfortunately there's like 50 things that I want to do so I'll probably never get into it. Maybe senior year in college or something I'll just take a class on composition if it's offered just as a relax class.

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On topic of Vital, these B-Sides are really damn good. Maybe Lost Songs Pt 2 will actually be good lol

toxin.
December 12th 2012


12805 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

No Love To Speak is just gorgeous, holy shit Vital would be a 5 if it replaced Innocent.

JakeStallion
December 12th 2012


398 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

"Maybe Lost Songs Pt 2 will actually be good lol"
Hey man, I love Lost Songs. The Haunting is one of the best songs ever. I also love the covers on that album. "Baby Please Come Home" is an awesome song to jam around the holidays. Gets me so pumped for Santa.

JakeStallion
December 12th 2012


398 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

If ANY of the B-sides replaced Innocent, the album would be damn-near perfect. Anberlin's b-sides are always flawless.



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