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toxin.
December 7th 2012


12895 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"And Desires' verses absolutely make the song for me. The simple-yet-extremely melodic bass and vocals are killer."

Yeah! I agree. It's also good to hear a break-up song that sounds inspired, versus repeating cliches and platitudes like "who needs enemies when we've got friend?"

Ecnalzen
December 8th 2012


7058 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

The intro and chorus are what does it for me on Desires. Probably Anberlin's heaviest riff I've heard. I likes.



I see you taking shots at To The Wolves, toxin. Uncool.

toxin.
December 8th 2012


12895 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Dude, c'mon, To The Wolves is so disappointing. The chorus is just a huge cliche, the melody is nothing to write home about, and the solo is one of those tremolo solos I feel we complain about too often.



Like I said before, I love the pre-chorus(?) of "Thought it was me and you against the world/ but you left me to the wolves" and the verses are pretty good too. But the chorus and solo leave much to be desired

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


7058 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I don't know, but I love that song. The chorus does fall flat. I really like the lead guitar, but I wish the rhythm guitar was

doing something more. Feels a little lifeless. Prechorus kicks so much ass tho.



I think Closer is my fave from that album.

toxin.
December 9th 2012


12895 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

My fav is probably Pray Tell. That song works on so many levels and is one of my favorite Anberlin songs. I also really love Art of War but the lyrics are the biggest letdown of any Anberlin song.

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


7058 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

Art of War is cool too. Never really thought much of the lyrics, but the music rules. Also really like Down and Impossible is pretty great too.



Does Down remind anyone else of Unwinding Cable Car? I think they are in the same key, maybe that's why it reminds me of it.

JakeStallion
December 9th 2012


419 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

My favorite on DITW is a tie between Art of War and Down, or I'd Like to Die if bonus songs are included. Art of War's lyrics are nothing special, but everything else about the song just resonates with me so well. When the synth comes in the intro, it sends a shiver down my spine every time. It's so well executed.

tiesthatbind
December 9th 2012


7381 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

I think the Down/Cable Car comparison has been made before multiple times actually. The riff is kinda similar but otherwise the song has a different vibe so I never thought of it sounding that much the same.

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Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


7058 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I just noticed it the other day. I hear you, Cable Car has a little more of an uplifting, kind of energetic feel to it and Down is very somber. I just looked and they aren't in the same key, so its not that.

toxin.
December 9th 2012


12895 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

The lyrics are pretty bad so I advise you continue to not think about them much. Down is awesome too, I think I like it more than UWCC. But there's definitely a similarity between it and UWCC. I don't think it's key---I played both on guitar and they have different chords. Down is G Major (but played w/o D Maj which is why it sounds minor) and UWCC is C# minor but don't quote me on either of those.

toxin.
December 9th 2012


12895 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

And yeah, UWCC is definitely uplifting and Down isn't really, but I can't help but feel they're really similar in some sense or another. Even past the whole raw acoustic thing

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


7058 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

You are right on UCC, but Down is in E minor. G major is the relative major (same key signature) of E minor tho, so you were close.



You may have just got theory'd.

toxin.
December 9th 2012


12895 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Are you sure? I'm like 98% sure you play a b minor chord in there and I'm 97% sure that the fifth step

in a minor is still major, so you should be playing B Major, not b minor if it's in E minor.



Then again my theory's rusty after almost two years of not doing any, and I'm much better at looking

at sheet music than basing it off of what chords are played in a song.

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


7058 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

If I remember right that is something did back in the classical music era. You don't have to make the 5th chord a major chord, its an accidental and was used to get back to I, the tonic.



The main chord progression in Down is this: Em Bm C G









toxin.
December 9th 2012


12895 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"If I remember right that is something did back in the classical music era."

Hm, what do you mean "that"? It's not just a technique---i ii(dim) III(aug) iv V VI vii(dim) is (again this may be incorrect, since I'm getting fuzzy) intrinsic to a minor key, which is what this is.



You're right that they could've used an accidental to make the normally Major V into a minor v. I have no experience in writing songs so at this point it's less grounded in theory and more based on my own speculation, but I haven't heard of anyone using the fifth step as minor---it just goes against my training as a pianist that you always leave the 5th step alone. The easiest way is probably to hear what the last note of the song is since that generally ends up being what key it is (well major or minor is to be determined) so I'm gonna do that



(btw I love that I can have these discussions on Sputnik!)

toxin.
December 9th 2012


12895 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

never mind it doesn't sound like the song ends in tonic

but the main riff or whatever does end in E so you're probably right

I'm intrigued on their use of b minor though

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


7058 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

If you make the 'v' of E minor (which is a B minor chord) a V, it would add an accidental into the key signature. It would change the v (a B D F# chord) to a V (a B D# F# chord), which would be out of the E minor key signature (which is just an F#).



In the classical era of songwriting, they used the V in a minor key signature to go from V to I for the resolution. In a modern style of composing, you don't have to do this.



It's actually i ii (dim) III iv v VI VII for a minor scale. You are thinking of a Harmonic minor scale with the III (aug) V and vii (dim).



That was fun, lol.

toxin.
December 9th 2012


12895 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

thaaaaaaat would explain everything!

natural minors are jokes on pianos. Like no one plays them because they sound like absolute shit. Well they probably do now in contemporary because I'm pretty sure contemporary composers create music just to piss you off. But yeah.



I need to take a modern music theory class and get with the times. Damn, thanks for the daily dose of knowledge!

Ecnalzen
December 9th 2012


7058 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

I haven't really written anything for piano (just simple stuff). I've written music for guitar and string quartet, but that's about it. I like composing. It's fun, just haven't done it for a while.



To be honest, you might have trouble finding a specific modern theory class. Most music schools seem to be pretty hard up on the classical, romantic, baroque periods, etc. The school I went to pretty much just glossed over anything that happened after the 1900s.

Chortles
December 9th 2012


19064 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

tl;dr?

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