You wouldn't give an album that rips off another album the same score.... if you're smart.

Album Rating: 3.5

Everything I say seems to be bouncing right off of you. Listen to me, dude. Yes, Norma Jean may have made a career of shamelessly ripping off Botch, but some people, for whatever reason, may enjoy Norma Jean more than Botch. Music is subjective.

"Everything I say seems to be bouncing right off of you. Listen to me, dude. Yes, Norma Jean may have made a career of shamelessly ripping off Botch, but some people, for whatever reason, may enjoy Norma Jean more than Botch. Music is subjective."

Right, but if you rate an album subjectively, you'd also know that this has been done time and time before, and that they're just re-hashing the same shit over and over again. It's called logic.

Album Rating: 3.5

And before we were just talking about albums in the same genre, but now we're talking about albums that rip off other albums. Stay on one subject man, there's a difference.



btw i dig your dig Maniac

Album Rating: 3.5

But just because they're re-hashing the same shit doesn't mean people won't enjoy it. It's sad but true.

"And before we were just talking about albums in the same genre, but now we're talking about albums that rip off other albums. Stay on one subject man, there's a difference."

These guys did rip off other bands. Everyone rips off other bands. ALl riffs, chords, etc have been done before. If they sound like the rest of the genre, it's nothing new and doesn't merit as high a rating. I'm not going to rate an album like this the same I would rate, say a MLIW album, a Verse album, or a GOrilla Biscuits album.

"But just because they're re-hashing the same shit doesn't mean people won't enjoy it. It's sad but true."

I didn't say you shouldn't enjoy it. I just said you should look at the rest of the genre when rating albums, for comparison purposes. There are albums I've enjoyed that I've also rated as a 2.5, because all of it has been done before.

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Album Rating: 3.5

There's a difference between ripping off other bands, and just belonging in the same genre as other bands, though. "Ripping off" is more specific.

"There's a difference between ripping off other bands, and just belonging in the same genre as other bands, though. "Ripping off" is more specific. "


You're not getting what I'm saying. If you don't bring anything new to the table, that's basically ripping off other people's sound. This doesn't bring one single new aspect to the genre. It's just doing what other bands have already done. That's basically "ripping off," or "re-hashing."

Album Rating: 3.5

"There are albums I've enjoyed that I've also rated as a 2.5, because all of it has been done before."



That's fucking retarded. If you enjoy the album, that should be all that matters. If you enjoy the album, don't give it a fucking 2.5. You can't always be 100% original.

"That's fucking retarded. If you enjoy the album, that should be all that matters."

Wow, I'm being civil with you and you still insult me. So let's get a bit dirty, shall we?

" If you enjoy the album, that should be all that matters."

No, it shouldn't you fucking waste of space. I rate albums with more than "Oh, this shit's so awesome because it has melody and I'm too dumb to understand anything else," in my mind. I rate things with the history in mind. THat's why the ratings have words like "classic," "very good," etc etc attached to them.

"If you enjoy the album, don't give it a fucking 2.5. You can't always be 100% original."

What the fuck does being original have to do with anything?

people assuming they know other peoples rating schemes itt

Like what you wanna like, rate how you want to rate. I was just trying to have a legitimate discussion, but YAB got offended and decided to throw a "retard" in there.

If you are trying to be as objective as possible with music, then you have to take into consideration how much effort was put into the music and whether or not it contains any artistic merits. Just because an album is enjoyable does not keep it from being average. Rewriting an old metalcore album for your whole career does not make you a good songwriter, enjoyable or not.

Album Rating: 3.5

"What the fuck does being original have to do with anything?"



You're acting like bands always have to bring at least one thing that's completely new to the table in order for their album to be worthy of a high rating. If that's a misinterpretation of what you've been saying, please correct me. If that is what you're saying, well, that isn't true. Bands can take the same formula that other bands of their genre that came before them used, and still use it just as well as the bands that came before them, making their album just as worthy of a high rating.

"Bands can take the same formula that other bands of their genre that came before them used, and still use it just as well as the bands that came before them, making their album just as worthy of a high rating. "

Same formula =/= recycling songs

"You're acting like bands always have to bring at least one thing that's completely new to the table in order for their album to be worthy of a high rating."

For me to have enough respect for them, they do. I'd apologize for misinterpreting your post, but you're a fucking moron.

" Bands can take the same formula that other bands of their genre that came before them used, and still use it just as well as the bands that came before them, making their album just as worthy of a high rating. "

Yeah, and this is why people look down on metalcore fans. Good job at perpetuating the stereotype.

doesn't it also depend on how you're rating the album, whether for its genre or not? like isn't there 2 ways/2 definitions for "rate/review"? for example if you were rating a metal album, you could rate it either as what the album does for its genre or just rate it based off of itself as a whole. idk if you get what i mean lol

Album Rating: 3.5

"Just because an album is enjoyable does not keep it from being average."



Okay, so what if there was an album that was extremely well-written, and completely original, with virtually no outside influences. Something like Spiderland. BUT, you don't really enjoy it. Are you gonna give it a high rating just because you think it's objectively good, even if you don't enjoy it?