This is the only album I like from this band

Album Rating: 4.5

just curious ... how is this derivative? [2]

It's not derivative I was trying to say something I can't put into words

Album Rating: 4.0

It's derinnovative

Album Rating: 3.5

derivative as in other bands derive their sounds from this?

Album Rating: 3.0

"This has nothing on Red Sky, or even Gardens. Not sure about their change in style. Disappointing."



dont forget the FACT that with fear... is even better than red sky :P

Derivative as in I mentally associate every atg metalcore ripoff riff with derivation.
This innovation spawned much derivation

Album Rating: 3.0

i mean its not really fair to blame them for that now is it

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"This is their best album lol"



absolutely incorrect

Album Rating: 4.5

they're more like an integral then

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ayy

Or what if this derivation lead to innovation like as I lay dying

I confused myself with my first comment so I have nothing more to add

Yep that's what I meant by this innovation led to derivation

Album Rating: 3.0

scoob are you ok buddy

I'm not sure

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"Here's a rule of thumb:







ATG - Innovation"



for their early shit yea, but this is just a distillation of the early 90s swedish sound to make it even more easily digestible



let's not pile on too much credit

Or what if this derivation lead to innovation
like as I lay dying
More like Soilwork..AILD not that much influence by them

Album Rating: 3.0

man early soilwork was so dope

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i dont consider those albums melodeath myself tbh