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JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
November 30th 2023


60384 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

NERD DISCOURSE ALERT why are Tortoise tagged as jazz, are they not v much more in the jazz fusion camp?

GhandhiLion
November 30th 2023


17643 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

They are not in either camp

GhandhiLion
November 30th 2023


17643 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

White Ward #1 jazz album of 2022!!!

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
December 2nd 2023


60384 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

jazz-rock is more adjacent to fusion than it is "jazz" though, no?

GhandhiLion
December 2nd 2023


17643 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Perhaps. Though tortoise isn't jazz rock.



All jazz-rock is influenced by jazz. But there are a lot of jazz-rock albums that are also jazz fusion.

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
December 2nd 2023


60384 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

well what genre is Sarah, Mencken, Christ, and Beethoven if it's not jazz-rock

GhandhiLion
December 2nd 2023


17643 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

https://youtu.be/_3no8bpFT1M?si=xFh7iCPihlFbrvbd



Some songs come close, but they are still more accurately described as post-rock than jazz rock.

GhandhiLion
December 2nd 2023


17643 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

"Sarah, Mencken, Christ, and Beethoven "



Probably post-rock like most other songs

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
December 2nd 2023


60384 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

other than post-rock, which is moot for all these tracks -_-

that track's melodic vocab (and to a lesser extent the t/t's) leans p clearly into jazz influence, just need an appropriate tag for it. similar story (though v different sound) on parts of Standards

GhandhiLion
December 2nd 2023


17643 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Yeah it's influenced by jazz for sure. As well as some electronic dub derivative genres probably.



wdym by "need an appropriate tag for it"? Here on sput?

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
December 2nd 2023


60384 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

Well, it already has a jazz tag on sput - so more of a question of whether that's appropriate, or would be better (expediently) denoted by fusion

(I now have a Jazz pie slice and look like a colossal poser for it - am playing damage control here)

GhandhiLion
December 2nd 2023


17643 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

It would be better with neither so the charts are more accurate.



Time to encourage people to stop using tags everywhere for any detectable influence then!



Or in the case of jazz, when instruments associated with jazz are present.

JohnnyoftheWell
Staff Reviewer
December 2nd 2023


60384 Comments

Album Rating: 4.7

*cries in Bark Psychosis*

Ryus
December 2nd 2023


36750 Comments

Album Rating: 2.0

dont remember why i didnt like this prob will check again



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