I'm not critical of them signing to a big label, but I do dislike the interview thing, and I just generally don't like the music

[QUOTE=manuscriptreplica]I'm not critical of them signing to a big label, but I do dislike the interview thing, and I just generally don't like the music[/QUOTE]


Thats understandable, and I was not saying you were being critical of them. I was just saying as a whole, every one is including my self are quite critical of bands nowadays, I personally think so at least. And some people are really anti-big label as well...

It's all cool :cool: I'm on the fence when it comes to big labels, and whether I would sign to one if I had the oppurtunity, it's a matter of being a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in a big pond I guess...

Album Rating: 4.0

[QUOTE=Bartender]Have you had no experience of "goth" kids? The ones who wear black lipstick, white makeup, black nail varnish, black clothes, and listen to Green Day, Marilyn Manson and Slipknot, and then (the really evil ones) CoF and Dimmu Borgir?



Maybe it's more a British thing, but it really can't be denied that a lot of them claim fanship of the band just because of the image.[/QUOTE]

Nope, luckily I've never had an experience like that. I agree a lot of those idiots are all about image, but I would say there are few since I've never seen any.

Britain seems to be full of them.

Album Rating: 4.0

I've never actually had a full-on experience with them, other than the trashy nu-metal kids with ridiculously oversized pants covered in chains, pale skin, and a Korn T-shirt. But I'm looking forward to see these people you are describing when I see Cradle live on December 10.

i may not be the biggest hardore Cradle fan, but i do have respect for them. the drummer is amazing, along with the guitarist and bassist. and whoever said the singer wrecks it for them, is wrong. i mean come on. who else can scream "guilded cÜnt" better than Dani? ;-)

i think cradle of filth is poppy. and i think they're poseurs.
but my girlfriend really likes them, so i have grown somewhat accustomed to it.

but i still think they're affected and shallow.

i'm listening to gilded cunt right now. it's not baaaaaad

but i still havn't quite been converted.

GOOD REVIEW THOUGH!

If Cradle Of Filth is poppy, then is like Blink-182 a soft rock band or something?

God, I seriously don't get why you call a band semi-popular "poppy" when they have no fuckin' elements of pop music at all.

They aren't even that popular, 90% of people wouldn't know who they are

The reason Cradle of Filth are pidgeon-holed as Black Metal is because they showed up at the same time as the Norweigian (sp?) Black Metal scene was getting pumping. They always have been different, they're more melodic, they're more intellegent and twice as arrogant, which i reckon is a good thing because it gives all of their music the feeling of a cocky swagger, not only thanks to Dani but the rest of the band fleshes it all out very nicely regardless of which of the lie-ups you look at.

I bought Mymphetamine as soon as it came out, mainly because I'm not cheap but I'm also too **** lazy to find decent sources to download it. I think this album kicks serious *** simply because for a change the whole album wasn't made in one particular style, it's a good representation of everything Cradle of Filth have done and shows off every member in some way. CoF aren't all about how "evil" dani is, people who used to be fans only "hate" them now because they've enjpyed some success and now they're not underground and pseudo-rebellios, seriously pull your head out of your ***, if the musics good, listen to it who cares if a band sells 1,000 albums or 1,000,000

I fail to see how they are more intelligent then other black metal bands, if you say because they signed to a big label or are more popular then I will kill you

Album Rating: 4.0

They really haven't done anything to merit being called more intelligent than any other black metal bands, except Cradle never really burned any churches down.



And the reason they are still connected to black metal is simple: The Principle of Evil Made Flesh. That album is black metal plain and simple. It may not be necro Darkthrone type stuff recorded with a single microphone hung from the ceiling, but it's definitely BM. I'll be reviewing that quite soon as well (along with some Lamb of God).

****ation And A Day is from where the 'pop' label has originated. Sony's press machine had them noticed by pretty much all, and like with Slipknot, kids jumped on the different-and-strange bandwagon. I've relaxed with regards to this subject after the album failed, which was a direct result of Cradle refusing to change their sound; it was a retelling of the Bible from Satan's perspective, and Sony was trying to sell to the mainstream -- they really had no idea what they were doing, and the guy that signed them said so himself. I read a quote on Kerrang by Dani Filth a while back:

"I don't care what the label expects, they can expect to get a f**king Cradle Of Filth album, and that's it," he shrieked to Kerrang.com today. "They wouldn't have signed us if they didn't like what we were doing and there's no point cumming in the ingredients. I think we'll try to take the best bits from all our previous stuff, basically. The songs are more like proper songs now though, they're going to be a bit simpler. We might de-tune on this album, too, just to get a heavier vibe to it."

I think the major record label deal served as a good opportunity to create an authentic Gothic atmosphere, and also as a test for Cradle, to see just how commited to they are to their messages. I'd say they passed.

Here's some other stuff from Roadrunner UK, their new independent label:

Cradle Of Filth have long been UK extreme metal's own Iron Maiden a prolific, consistent and reliable force that has only engendered animosity on such grand scale because they've had the audacity to sell lots of records around the world and display a frank disregard for pandering to either underground elitism or mainstream sensibilities. In the end, cynicism is easy. Making albums as good as 'Nymphetamine' patently is not.

EDIT: I can't believe this forum censors 'd a m n'. That is a joke, who moderates? Fundamentalists?

[QUOTE=Circastes]EDIT: I can't believe this forum censors 'd a m n'. That is a joke, who moderates? Fundamentalists?[/QUOTE]

More or less.

And as for that last quote you had, what else would you expect from the lable they're signed to?

To threadstarter, Sarah is not singing on Nymphetamine (Overdose), it's Kristina Espaenaes Krull from Leaves Eyes.
Sarah just sounds like a keyboard sample on this album.

Album Rating: 4.0

[QUOTE=Vitriolic Rage]To threadstarter, Sarah is not singing on Nymphetamine (Overdose), it's Kristina Espaenaes Krull from Leaves Eyes.

Sarah just sounds like a keyboard sample on this album.[/QUOTE]

Can you give me something official saying that? Cradle's official website has Sarah listed as the backing vocalist for Nymphetamine, so I'm going with that unless you can give me something saying otherwise...

[QUOTE=Vitriolic Rage]To threadstarter, Sarah is not singing on Nymphetamine (Overdose), it's Kristina Espaenaes Krull from Leaves Eyes.
Sarah just sounds like a keyboard sample on this album.[/QUOTE]


I thought her name was Liv Kristine?

Yeah, Im one of those people who wear baggy pants with a korn shirt, what's your point. Are you saying somebody that likes korn can't like anything but? The real posers whether you think so or not, are the ones who go around wearing classic rock shirts and/or korn shirts just because the name makes you look cool. I bought some Korn shirts because I liked them when they came out, when Take a Look... came out, I didn't pay any attention to them anymore. I got a Led Zep shirt because I enjoy their music, not because I knew there were 20 other people who liked them. The other day I seen a guy with a "Swan Song" shirt on and I asked him what his favorite song was, you can guess what he said...Stairway to Heaven, which isn't so bad, but then I asked what other songs he liked and he didn't know any other ones. Now, that is a sell out. Don't knock other bands and people on what they wear. Neo Goth kids are destroying metal culture...we must kill them all :D . By the way, if your one of those Goth kids who wear all black in summer, man, your a Dumb As s

Another point I'd like to make...
CoF got me started on the whole metal/blackmetal/anyother type genre. Now that I go and explore into these, CoF has to be my fav. Dani's voice gives variety and the music is melodic and flows in a nice way. I know many people like Cannibal Corpse, but to be honest, I don't care much for them because the instruments sound like crap and the the guys voice sounds like he swallowed a walrus. I know Dani doesn't have the best voice, but It's ahellava lot better than other bands out there.

P.S. None of the Goth Kids I see even know who Cradle of Filth is, but they all worship Kurt Cobain :upset:

Nymphetamine features vocal work by Sara Jezebel Deva (MORTIIS, KOVENANT) and Liv Kristine (THEATRE OF TRAGEDY and LEAVES EYES) and is a tactful amalgamation of various metallic styles presented with modern production that suits both the heft and complexity of this album. Cradle of Filth will not disappoint their fans with this release...(2004)

http://www.blackmetal.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?item=RRD61828CD
So both do the vocals, though Liv only does the title track stuff, Sarah does everything else.

Liv Kristine is a shorted version of Liv Kristine Espaenaes Krull.