Contender for most senselessly doomer thread on Sput rn

Shock and awe, Mort is involved lol

false grind aka whitebelt grind, sass grind, spazzgrind.


when a bunch of core kids in the 2000s found grind, basically

Sad life for anyone gatekeeping grind lol, what a time that must have been.

Hey don’t be mad at me cause I don’t like your precious daoboys

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Nah silly, pointless -core doomerisms are just sorta tired and evidence of a lack of care/exploration of the genre in the modern day, but by golly do y'all like to flaunt your "I didn't age past the 90s" taste when decrying the state of the category.

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fr though I love every whitebelt grind band I've ever heard

Mars I’m sorry but metal really is in a sorry state these days, and it’s not that there hasn’t been anything good since the 90s - there definitely has - but there just hasn’t been much innovation or growth in the genre which is exactly why some people don’t care as much about it any more

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couldn't you say the same for modern hip-hop though? all modern genres are over saturated, you think it's a problem more specific to metal than other genres?

tbh if you view most genres in the window of innovation, I feel like you inevitably run into a brick wall of essentially everything being a retread or a refinement of a previously-established sound. It's the nature of art as a whole; we've been alive and painting, drawing, sculpting, playing music, etc for quite a while now to the point where discovering something totally original is nearing impossible. And with how some music discourse goes, even *if* you create a somewhat unique concept, people will strive to classify/compare and gatekeep originality.

It depends on how you approach the music industry I suppose. I still find that things are entertaining, even if the advancements aren't as grand as before. There's just not enough room for massive momentum shifts like the olden days. I definitely get how that can be unappealing so no fault by the end of the day. It just gets very old in -core circles since most of those that make statements like that gave up on the genre years ago and made zero effort to explore the scene, just decided to settle in their ways and complain like old dudes barking to get off their lawn lol

Totally disagree that there is not room for massive momentum shifts. I think music as a whole is in a lull right now. Not just being a doomer. Look at the top rated albums on this site and rym over the past decade and then compare it to the decades before. There’s been a consistent drop in highly rated album releases. Not saying this is evidence alone. But I definitely feel it and it makes sense with the decline of an outrageously profitable music industry and the ebb and flow of artistic creativity which historically has always fluctuated.

As far as room for momentum shifts, there is always infinite room for this. Look at bands like xiu xiu, have a nice life, isis, etc. there was never music like this before they came out and there will never be music like it again. The room for artistic exploration is an infinite as the capability of the human mind. It just requires opportunity to meet innovation or whatever that cliche is and I think that the opportunity portion has just been lacking but maybe it’s just me and my taste not evolving with the music. Working on solo venture right now so not like I’m just whining and not trying to push things forward

Simply having opinions isn’t gatekeeping. Of course genres are all bound to inevitably exhaust themselves. When I was growing up there were new metal genres popping up every single day, it was exciting and fun to explore. Now days it’s not fun for me anymore because of exactly what you said. Everything feels like a retread of something better. It is what it is. There are always exceptions of course, but for me metal is well passed it’s prime and I don’t see what the genre has left to do to evolve. We are moving more and more into the age of electronic, and for the most part electronic and metal hybrids have been pretty terrible so there’s not really anywhere else to go.

Other newer genres have a much higher ceiling open to them in terms of innovative potential and are therefore a lot more fun to explore right now. A lot of what you are trying to apply to the entire music industry really doesn’t apply to newer genres like electronic.

Just calling people having a conversation about why metal doesn’t appeal to them much anymore a bunch of old men barking to get off their lawn is just a bit rude and defensive. None of us are standing in your way of continuing to enjoy exploring new metal etc. If anything what comes across as a gatekeeping to me is saying people aren’t allowed to have opinions on metal if they don’t like modern metal because nothing is ever new or original anymore (not true)

Yeah agree with anode

Not what I said at all, people are welcome to have opinions on whatever they choose. I called out a specific practice of people routinely talking down to the modern scene because older works were better--THAT is gatekeeping. Calling it what it is isn't gatekeeping.

And I personally agree with what you all are saying, since I believe music has plenty of room to explore, but I concede that there's a lot to surf through and it doesn't seem as outwardly as explosive as before. I have full faith metalcore is making strides and don't really get the sense it's stagnating at all. The scene feels more vibrant and active than it has in a while.

Metal being past its prime is also a pretty bold take but considering your hard stance against it, there's not much to talk about there.

bit confused as to why i was called out for doomerism


bruh i just dont like modern metalcore as much as you do

@mars but none of that is happening here and you came in guns a blazing with the doomerism accusations so I’m not sure how you got on to that subject without it being an accusation

I guess it depends what your definition of “prime” is. It a certainly not a bold take if your definition is “height of creativity and influence”

Also we are speaking in general terms about metal, of course each sub genre isn’t going through the exact same process

im also very happy to see metalcore to continue to have popular releases. just wish i could join the hype parade. just not a big fan of what ive heard. has nothing to do with comparisons. i like old asking alexandria for christ sakes. not much gatekeeping to be won there.

but yeah im not so pessimistic about metal ceiling being low. tons of innovation to be had. would love for some depression-core or something to come out haha

thats fair potsy