not gonna bother reading through the 500 + or so comments about this album, but is the title a cheap shot at metallica?

Album Rating: 5.0

That's arguable seeing as Megadeth's was originally created to spite Metallica.

But no, I'd imagine that Dave was over the whole thing by 1990.

Album Rating: 4.6

but is the title a cheap shot at metallica?

dunno i guess i was thinking the album title was pose to be telling metalica to rust.....cause metalica got metal in it...i dunno...

leave me alone

It's a pun on the popular phrase "rest in peace"

oh man i never woulda figured that out

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

This album is wayy overated. Only good thing about it is TNP, holy wars, and the guitar playing. Volcals are wayy to boring and whiney. Rarely listen to this album all the way through.

You fail at being a thrasher go listen to Avenged Sevenfold

Album Rating: 5.0

i agree. this is nearly a classic for me

Album Rating: 5.0

It is as classic as classic gets.

This album is wayy overated. Only good thing about it is TNP, holy wars, and the guitar playing. Volcals are wayy to boring and whiney. Rarely listen to this album all the way through.

Album Rating: 5.0

epic fail

Album Rating: 4.5

whenever I grasp back to this record, I'm never disappointed.

this is their most progressive record, and certainly one of their 3 best, epic and classic !

my two favorites on here: "Hangar 18" and the often overlooked "Lucretia"

^Yeah, gotta love those records you can just keep "grasp[ing] back to" again and again.

Album Rating: 4.5

Yes, I dwell in hell, but it's a hell that I can grip



I tried to grasp this record....but I slipped.

Album Rating: 5.0

yeah this album pretty much rules

Album Rating: 4.5

When did this record come out? This is a collection of leftovers from the 'Risk' sessions, right?

Album Rating: 5.0

came out 1990 i believe. i don't know much surrounding this album, i just know i love it

This is a collection of leftovers from the 'Risk' sessions, right?

Album Rating: 4.5

Nah, I was just fa-fa-foolin'. I know all abouts the 'Rust'. It's a monster. I think that both 'Rust in Peace' and '...And Justice For All' are the pinnacle, the masterworks for both Megadeth and Metallica, respectively....I wanna know if you guys have noticed a few of the trends that I've detected in relation to these two ginormous, parallel careers. First off, despite however great Mustaine is in his own right, the guy still questioned his own talent/worth and consistently looked towards Metallica for musical 'direction' from the late 80's, all the way through the late 90's. I'll explain myself and you guys tell me if on the mark or off-base.



The first three Megadeth albums were spent establishing a distinctive sound for the band, while trying to conjure up as much quality Thrash Metal as possible. At this point, Dave is only taking cues from Hetfiled/Ulrich in detached sort of way. He sees the standard which Metallica has set for the genre and aims to put out product which can compete with that benchmark. IMO, he falls significantly short of the mark for a while. Yet, there is still several noteworthy pieces which can be found on all three early recordings. Secondly, just as a generality that applies to all Metal bands, the tendency is towards more 'progressive' music as any Metal band matures. The more experience a band establishes in the studio and live settings, the more confident it becomes in tackling larger projects...larger, more complex songs. A band's chops become tighter and the degree and scope of musical knowledge widens significantly. So, where does improved musicianship, coupled with a increased body of musical knowledge lead the Metal practitioner?......To Progland, of course



Part II below

Album Rating: 4.5

Between 1988 and 1990, you have the optimal, prime envrionment for both bands to move into more progressive territory. But, and I think this is important here, Metallica makes the move 'first'. Metallica delivers '...And Justice For All' in 1988 and, all of a sudden, the band is receiving great accolades from the press for their serious musicianship and compositional skills. This, I think, is the first example where Dave looks towards his former bandmates for a future gameplan. He has already established the tools necessary to pull off an album of great complexity, but witnessing the success which Metallica has with this new, intended direction prompts Mustaine into trying it for himself. Now, I'm not implying that any copying or mimicry is taking place. Just that Mustaine, like the rest of the Metal world, holds Metallica in great esteem at this juncture in time and the guy aims to recreate this level of success for himself.



Megadeth puts together 'Rust In Peace', an album that creatively and instrumentally can finally compete with what Metallica has to offer. But, while both records are now, and will forever be the most progressive titles in each bands' discographies, the two releases are built on disparate musical philosophies. Metallica's is, for the most part, heavy, slower tempoed, groove based fare, and Megadeth's adheres more consistently to stereotypical Thrash Metal. But, both still share several elements and both are extremely progressive, especially relative to what's going on in music during the late 80's. It should also be noted that, in parallel, Queensryche has also gone through a lenghty evolution, resulting in their largest and most progressive album - Operation: Mindcrime.



But, the progressive business ends with this era. Too bad too. Because, I'm sure that every fan who has taste would have liked to have another round of albums on par with the three that I just mentioned. Metallica had become a big, bloated, musically academic machine and now seeks to reign it all in and streamline their sound. They put together an excellent album that deliberately does away with all of the bits which are now seen as extraneous. Metallica releases The Black Album, which is much more accesible than all previous efforts....but, in all fairness, the record buying public moves much more in the direction of Metallica, than the band moves towards the mainstream. The album shoots to Number One on the charts.



Part III below