Album Rating: 4.0

'eh maybe we differ on what qualifies as mainstream but thats not that big for me. maybe upcoming in their niche but there's plenty of artists doing similar numbers. 'mainstream' when it comes to pop metal stuff would be like architects or something'



Architects are basically as big as any metal act will get over here though, there's probably only BMTH who have gotten bigger in the past decade.

you claim that emotionally vulnerable heavy music was not there and yet the entirety of my skramz jams tells me otherwise. or that rejections of 'machismo' tropes in heavier music didn't exist as if descenedents didn't spawn a thousand imitators making raw but relatable hardcore for the masses of dork punks 30 years before anyone even accidentally said the word djent

Album Rating: 4.0

@demon: we didn't stop

meat loaf died and mcr stopped releasing music for like 8 years

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QXcO94xu3Q

scattarberain a deep cut

"Architects are basically as big as any metal act will get over here though..."

aside from more traditional metal, well yeah, they are the mainstream. i dont think they've been as big as bmth ever were at their peak but maybe thats just me being more involved in that kinda stuff back then. point being though that there's a certain league in which metal bands can be 'mainstream' and that is really only when they become ubiquitous in their genre. when you think djent, you think meshuggah and periphery. when you think pop metalcore, you think architects or bmth. this band managing to play medium-sized venues in their home country i don't think counts as mainstream.

Album Rating: 4.0

'Yeah I didn’t twig / read but 2k isn’t ‘big’, not by my definition'



For a metal act in the uk? Let alone one that's only been going for a few years? I'd have to check but I'd doubt there are any metal acts who started out in the last decade who are doing shows bigger than the Hammersmith Apollo...

Album Rating: 4.0

@sint: respectfully, i did not claim it wasn't there. it was far, far harder to find, and relegated to a niche as opposed to being something that was widely accepted. and even when it was "mainstream" to hear emo on the radio, kids who liked it would get bullied, told to cut/kill themselves, called slurs. "Emophobia" as I'd dub it, was its own form of queerphobia because people were being bullied for having the balls to not conform to societal gender roles. It wasn't till more recently that it was more socially accepted to have a conscious eye on your emotions like that...

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

MCR fucking sucks, not my kind of emotional band

Album Rating: 4.0

'aside from more traditional metal, well yeah, they are the mainstream. i dont think they've been as big as bmth ever were at their peak but maybe thats just me being more involved in that kinda stuff back then. point being though that there's a certain league in which metal bands can be 'mainstream' and that is really only when they become ubiquitous in their genre. when you think djent, you think meshuggah and periphery. when you think pop metalcore, you think architects or bmth. this band managing to play medium-sized venues in their home country i don't think counts as mainstream.'



I can only comment on what they're doing here in the UK though as I don't know America.



Would you say Biffy Clyro aren't a mainstream band because they headline 100k cap festivals here in the UK but don't play anywhere near as big shows in America? Or Arctic Monkeys years ago (idk if they've gotten bigger in the US recently or not)?

Album Rating: 1.0

‘meat loaf died and mcr stopped releasing music for like 8 years’

fair enough, lol

I’ll tell the wife to check Sleep Token then (or selfishly, maybe I won’t - because I’d rather listen to those artists)

Album Rating: 4.0

@demon: mcr is my favorite band and when i heard the foundations of decay i was jumping for joy. i'm still hoping it's not a one-off and they drop more.

Album Rating: 1.0

Worth noting that a lot of prog/djent bands do big business on the technical side of the music industry- sponsorships from gear brands, online clinics, NAMM stuff etc



And maybe I'm off here but this is not the kind of album that will impress my guitarist friends

Album Rating: 4.0

lowkey i think i'm the black sheep of the "djent" fan community in that i'm less in it for the polyrhythms and more in it for their take on the "emo" inflections I've come to love. And the theatrics I love from the likes of MCR are here too so of course. I'm also slightly tiring of the same v-c-v song structures so hearing what I love but in a more unique structure helps.

Album Rating: 0.5

"he'd always try to downplay Reznor's success and shit on the idea that he's one of the best vocalists of the 90s next to Cobain, Staley, etc. by out of nowhere saying "sKiNnY pUpPy bEtTeR" which, maybe they are, but I doubt the vocals are as conducive to what I look for."

don't think i've ever seen anyone say Reznor is one of the best vocalists of the 90s (which is most definitely a take worth shitting on) as opposed to admiring his talents as a producer and crass moodboard artist, to which end his voice is just one tool among many. not sure why you're so attached to this comparison? it also projects Skinny Puppy as an underground/obscure/otherwise leftfield comparison, which (even as someone who doesn't give two shits for industrial) is mainly your own ignorance talking

"why is everybody pretending that, on a very basal level, discounting all musicianship and vocal performance, that this album doesn't /sound/ like absolute shit? the production is fucking terrible, and not in a "it's so good it sounds fake" way, no, it just fucking sucks. literally done-by-someone-without-ears tier suck. physically painful."

re. this + Kompys comment oh yeah absolutely sure - could most definitely have doubled down on this angle but didn't want to overflog the horse (and the vox/songwriting/melody dept grates on me slightly more so i went for that). did not mean to imply that the polish/clean prod make it sound remotely Good, i fuckin hate this sound do not get me wrong lol

Album Rating: 2.0

If this project “emotionally moved you” then you gotta go touch some grass



Sorry that’s kind of mean.

Album Rating: 3.0

yeah but it's not even good at sounding polished

it's just low quality sound throughout

like someone took a 128kbps rip and did their damnedest to dress it up but they fucked up the bass and treble at multiple points and made it worse

Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off

I'm beginning to gather that some of the people who frequent this site are kind of mean to each other. Hope everyone's having a nice day either listening to or avoiding sleep token, whatever be their preference

great review johnny

Album Rating: 1.0

syco your Nobel Peace Prize is on its way