King Crimson In the Court of the Crimson King
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tectactoe
December 17th 2019


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Technically, [his or her] would be the most grammatically correct term. "Their" is plural, and the subject is singular ("serious progressive rock fan"). I know the 'plural their' is becoming a sort of accepted substitute in today's gender-fluid conscious climate, but I'm not sure that it's technically "correct".

Ryus
December 17th 2019


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that "his or her" shit is annoying and tedious, plural their should be 100% accepted for simplicity's sake

Josh D.
December 17th 2019


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This is really important, keep going.

MiloRuggles
Staff Reviewer
December 17th 2019


3040 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Language done changed

Ryus
December 17th 2019


37183 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

"This is really important, keep going."



yep it is thanks for recognizing that

tectactoe
December 17th 2019


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It's only tedious if the piece in question is constantly referencing the subject via pronoun, over and over. In this case where it's once at the beginning of the review, "his or her" sounds fine and, again, is more correct.

I agree that if it becomes repetitive, especially in close proximity, 'their' reads and registers less clunky.

Source
December 17th 2019


19917 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

nah just say his

MiloRuggles
Staff Reviewer
December 17th 2019


3040 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Quit your bickering, ladies

e210013
December 17th 2019


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Thanks Milo.

DDDeftoneDDD
December 17th 2019


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"In [one's] private collection"?

I just wouldn t want to offend these sassy ladies x)

DDDeftoneDDD
December 17th 2019


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Although lets be honest here...no girl listens to KC, much less owns it in [her] imaginary private collection of albums.



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tectactoe
December 17th 2019


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Hahaha.

Didn’t mean to distract from your review, e. Kudos as always.

DDDeftoneDDD
December 17th 2019


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I'm not in my native here and want to learn. Would "one" solve the issue?

e210013
December 17th 2019


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About the grammatically correct terms, I'm not sure. This is even most difficult to someone, like me, in which English isn't the first language. But maybe Deftone is right.



DDDeftoneDDD
December 17th 2019


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Oh its fine by me as it is...I wouldn't change a bit...I read "his" as "your" private collection, and just assumed you are a dude...but since the question was on the table, I ask these natives (not indians, mind) if "one" avoids the gender issue, retains the singular form and remains grammatically correct x)

e210013
December 17th 2019


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Yeah. Today it seems be a bit problematic to talk about gender issues. Lol.

tectactoe
December 18th 2019


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To get "one's" to work, you'd have to rearrange the sentence a bit, because as a possessive pronoun, the first declaration of the subject should agree (that is, it should also be "one"). Something like:



"[One cannot be a] serious progressive rock fan without at least four or five KC albums in [one's] private collection."



This is "technically" okay, but not desirable, as the double use of "one's" sounds awkward and clunky. you could rearrange the sentence to have only a single "one" and it would sound better, something like:



"To be a considered serious progressive rock fan, one's private collection should contain at least four or five KC albums."



Again, that sounds less elegant than the original sentence, which would continue sounding just find if "or her" were added:



"No serious progressive rock fan can be without at least four or five King Crimson’s albums in his [or her] private collection."



Some might balk at the somewhat repetitive use of "or", twice in such a small sentence. Nothing wrong with it grammatically, but if you wanted to sound slightly more elegant, something like this would work:



"No serious progressive rock fan can be without [a handful] King Crimson’s albums in his [or her] private collection."



Again, you could also just use "their" and just about no one in the world would complain. I almost regret pointing it out, but I can never resist a moment of grammatical pedantry. (Sorry about that.) It is customary to not use "their" as a pronoun unless referring to a plural subject, but because of gender identify and fluidity becoming a more sensitive issue, many publications accept the use of "their" as a gender-ambiguous singular pronoun.



After all, language evolves, so it is only a matter of time before "their" is officially amended as an acceptable singular pronoun in a case where gender is unknown or all inclusive. (Hell, it might've been added already for all I know.)



Sorry for taking this train off the rails, gents.

sixdegrees
December 18th 2019


13127 Comments


yea

DDDeftoneDDD
December 18th 2019


22420 Comments

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Wtf is that rate?



Tks a lot tectac..I get it now! Although if you're upset with repeating "one" you should run that DsO interview ahah

MiloRuggles
Staff Reviewer
December 18th 2019


3040 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Haha my one? What have I started? I'm so sorry



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