They didn't ever shy away from their message.

"If sermons had killer soundtracks."
now that's how you write a summary

"thrice is good christian music. hell, they're downright anti-evolutionist on a few tracks"

dang why? I'm a Christian but that's no reason to be ignorant

Album Rating: 2.5

@YoYo There are many intelligent professionals and scientists who aren't Christians and reject evolution as an adequate scientific theory. Check the documentary Expelled by Ben Stein (ya know, "anybody...anybody" from Bueller's).

Anyways...back to the music. Thrice is good, but come on there's so much more. Am I the only one jamming the good stuff like Theocracy, Neal Morse, Saviour Machine, Believer....The Prayer Chain?!?! I will say I liked the song "Scarlet", but this album is pretty average.

Album Rating: 3.5

Believer does has some badass tunes. Transhuman is a great album.

Album Rating: 2.5

dude, I'm glad you dig em, but Sanity Obscure and Dimensions are where it's at :]

Album Rating: 3.5

I've only heard Transhuman and Gabriel (the latter being a decent album as well) since I bought those albums for someone else.

Album Rating: 2.5

ah dude! Check Dimensions: http://youtu.be/zzEkaELKh_0

The last 4 part trilogy (I know, genius math skills) is AMAZING

yeah Ben Stein is hard to take seriously because of his voice but i'll look into it

Honestly evolution and modern science speak an argument for God for me rather than against Him. That complexity doesn't happen by accident.

By the way is this any good

Album Rating: 2.5

"That complexity doesn't happen by accident"

ditto

As to the album, nah...check out Dimensions instead :D

That complexity doesn't happen by accident.

If you take super small stuff that all has some tendency to stick to other super small stuff and get a buttload of it and throw it all together and watch it sit for 13 billion years, I'm pretty sure you'd get some complicated structures here and there.

Album Rating: 2.5

Dude, there's no legitimate proof of that concept whatsoever. "Evidence" would be a contrived setting ala the famous Miller-Urey experiment where they threw a bunch of organic chemicals in a controlled environment and made some amino acids. Congratulations, our top scientists put together impossibly small components of a single cell, the most basic form of life that is discovered to be more and more complex as science progresses. Time is just more chances, not magic.

But hey, maybe working on a simpler plain will do. I'll try throwing a bunch of legos into a bucket and mix it around and I'll tell you what I get ;] I'll take a week off work and school just so it has a chance!

13 billion years allows for quite a few "chances." And most of the universe isn't that complicated at all-- a lot of it's just stars and giant gas clouds, which are all pretty basic. The fact that we as humans think that we are pretty complicated and view the universe as being "cool" doesn't mean that we're actually that complicated at all,--in terms of what the universe is naturally capable of creating randomly given billions of years--or that we're significant in the universe in general due to our complexity. For all we know "complicated" structures like organic life could be ridiculously common, but we just found any of them yet.

Stuff seems too complicated to have happened by accident to me all the time, but then I remember how natural selection works, and remind myself that on this planet alone that process has been given hundreds of millions of years to slowly make cool stuff that my monkey brain has a hard time understanding.

So is this where I break out the popcorn? There are highly legitimate arguments to be made on both sides.

Album Rating: 2.5

Sure, snack up! Zaruyache, if THE WHOLE UNIVERSE isn't complex enough for you than I'm at a loss what is. What's your measuring stick, Meshuggah? lol if it's King Crimson maybe I'd agree with you there :D

Basically, for a theory that is supposedly based on pure science it seems very unscientific that it's held on nothing more than assumptions that "natural selection" and random motions creates things...out of nothing. Never been witnessed...no substantial experiments performed to confirm.

Oh, but a intelligent designer is out of the realms of experimentation and the scientific method (which we reinterpreted since some religious guy came up with it in the 1600s), so that's a no no!

It seems much more intuitive to believe that some law of nature itself allowed (nay, required) for
this iteration of existence to come into form--essentially from "nothing"--than to believe that some
infinitely complex, infinitely intelligent force--essentially a force of nature as well--created
this universe and then manipulated it to make it complicated enough so that we would specifically
notice such complicatedness, and marvel at it.

It makes a whole lot more sense, imo, to believe that this iteration of existence is only one of an
infinite number of existences that are different, vary in complexity, and that this universe only by
chance happens to be as complicated as it is (and is able to become this complicated based on the
laws of nature it was given).

tl;dr the universe is a whole lot cooler if you know the cool stuff in it became cool randomly and
not bc some dude made it that way

We can't ever really know for sure, can we? Idk, both ideas seem pretty cool to me. ;)

Album Rating: 2.5

"tl;dr the universe is a whole lot cooler if you know the cool stuff in it became cool randomly and not bc some dude made it that way."

I think you'd like free-form jazz Check it out.

I'll leave it there if you're not going to read anymore.

"I think you'd like free-form jazz"

you'd have to acquire a taste for it though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4sEcIHG0Yc