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Album Rating: 1.0
Get off his dick, no one's talking to you lol
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sorry i don't ride the dick of bad Bathory impressions.
i like my music to have at least a tad originality in it.
also South of Heaven this should be right up your alley, its taking the idea of Slayer's repetitiveness in guitar shredding and applying it into a compositional sense. i guess you're tastes make no sense since you don't like Converge though.
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Get off his dick, no one's talking to you lol We're both probably the only two people on here who like Orthrelm, or at least don't go "lol this sounds like people who can't play" like faggots (i.e. you)
I really don't care if you don't like it, but the review is obviously awful because the guy who wrote it doesn't understand anything about the music whatsoever
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At least I don't throw around the word faggot.
Anyway, let's back up a step here.
Moonsorrow ripped off Bathory, therefore they are unoriginal, therefore you don't like them. This much I gathered.
But then pixie is saying someone has no musical sense because they don't like one particular band that a good amount of people do like (Converge). I've caught similar flak for thinking Opeth isn't all that wonderful.
So there's a contradiction here. You're in the minority for liking this stuff, so your defend yourselves. But then you attack someone else for being in the minority for NOT liking something...
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They're attacking him because he didnt approach the review fairly at all. It's the reviewers fault for going into this album expecting something it was never supposed to deliver.
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Someday, sometime, there will be this one thread where no one bashes someone else purely on personal taste, and the world will be happy.
Shit, what the fuck am I talking about? No there won't.
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Cocaine: I agree.
Jack: Yeah, that's the thing about music in general. When it comes down to it, personal taste is all that matters. To me, this sounds like bad music played terribly; to them, it sounds like awesomeness. To most people, Opeth sounds like divinity. To me it sounds alright. To me, Moonsorrow sounds like godliness; to them, it sounds like cheap imitation. Who's to say really. So I just put down what I feel and work from there.
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"But then pixie is saying someone has no musical sense because they don't like one particular band that a good amount of people do like (Converge). I've caught similar flak for thinking Opeth isn't all that wonderful.
So there's a contradiction here. You're in the minority for liking this stuff, so your defend yourselves. But then you attack someone else for being in the minority for NOT liking something..."
no, because i don't really care if south of heaven doesn't like Converge. i just think it is odd that he doesn't considering he is such a big Slayer fan. your logic is just stupid in general.
what i'm saying is that there is artistic merit to Orthrelm. i'm not saying i really really enjoy them and that they are constantly put on, but saying they are random noise is complete idiocy as this is a hell of a lot more complicated than something like Moonsorrow, Opeth, etc. I assume the reviewer heard it was 'grindy' and went into something he didn't know anything about and then criticized it because he didn't know anything about it.
i am different than that because i'm actually aware of what music is attempting to do because i expose myself to a plethora of various genres and ideas. i think i'd give this album a 2.5 or 3 because it isn't the most enjoyable thing, but at times it is interesting to hear such concepts played in this type of context. i think i gave 'Ov' a 3.5/5 on RYM, but as a pure artistic statement that album is almost unrivaled in the past few years.
really it is all about context and most of the sputnik user base doesn't understand that. therefore i criticize them about it. saying you like Moonsorrow because of their 'compositions' proves you don't even comprehend what is going on here because Moonsorrow isn't making 'compositions' they are making metal songs.
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"Moonsorrow isn't making 'compositions' they are making metal songs"
How is a good, long metal song not a composition?
Now you're contradicting yourself.
Anyway, I was just using your words, I think what Moonsorrow makes is epic masterpieces. Once again, this is personal taste. If you think they (Orthrelm) have artistic merit, fine. I'll leave that alone.
I also have exposed myself to a large variance of styles and genres, and I can tell you right now that this is no more or less complicated than Moonsorrow, Opeth, ect. This, again, is personal taste, and has nothing to do with content, or context or anything of the sort. And why does someone that likes Slayer have to like Converge? That's stupid logic as well. This Message Edited On 01.17.08
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Insults are supposed to actually be insulting just so you know It was more of a crappy attempt at a joke than an insult. I couldn't care less what you like or dislike.
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1. because there is a difference between making songs that have sweet riffs and making a musical composition that is actually theoretically complex.
2. they are more complicated than Opeth and Moonsorrow because like i said they aren't a combination of riffs, they are an actual composition.
3. because as Converge has said again and again they are basically just a hardcore band with left over Slayer riffs. the bands are very similar especially in Converge's early days so it makes little sense not to be a fan of both. their fan bases are even almost identical in their devotion.
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Thank you.
See, stuff works much better when you calmly explain it. Now explain something else to me.
What in the hell do you mean by "actual composition" versus a "combination of riffs"? Cause that sounds like pretty much the same thing to me, or rather that a combination of riffs is what produces a particular band's composition, which is what makes up a given song.This Message Edited On 01.17.08
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there is an inherent difference between a composer such as Reich or Glass to use two text book examples of minimalism and Moonsorrow. Moonsorrow's music could be considered a 'composition' in the basic sense, but in terms of actual theoretical composition they have very little in common with anyone that labels themselves as a composer. bands like Orthrelm and Kayo Dot kind of pierce themselves in between these two mediums so they are rigidly composing their music but they also have alot of tendencies to dip into realms of 'pop music' or what most people consider contemporary.
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Okay, bro, you're selling me. What I'm getting of what you're saying is, Moonsorrow has an idea for a sound they wanna create, a specific build up to, and combination of musical elements. They want the guitars to go like "THIS" and the drums to go like "That", and these combinations of sounds are a basic composition that creates the type of sound, and therefore the type of music they want to make. With Orthrelm, they have a series of notes, a very specific progression of sounds, as opposed to one uniform collection of them, and they use "metal" instruments (electric quitars, drums, ect) to produce those notes. So though it might sound disharmonic, it's actually following a calculated set of tonations.
In short, I'm having trouble grasping this, which would explain why it sounds like noise to most people, and in the end, it's not my thing, but seeing as you're a staff reviewer, you should probably write one for this CD and try to explain some of the stuff you're telling me.
On a side note...give Moonsorrow a chance. Their latest CD, V: Hävitetty, is one of my favorite CDs of all time. You seem to be of the idea that music can be many things, IS many things, and that it requires an attentive ear to differentiate between so many offerings. You might actually like them if you listen with same attentive ear and open mind that makes you appreciate these guys. As we speak, I am browsing for other material from Orthrelm and from Kayo Dot. I hated Opeth at first, but after many listens of various songs/albums, I kind of like them now. Perhaps the same will be true of these guys. Perhaps the same will be true of you with Moonsorrow.
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So, according to some people, I'm supposed to like this soley for the fact that the album is a composition of music. OK... But as said, I think the album is random and directionless, incredibly stupid and hollow. Just the same thing over and over, for sixteen minutes. Is it music? Sure. Is it good? Not to me. I know these guys are talanted at playing, but they need to make more structured and solid songwriting attempts for me to like them. But I guess my opinion makes me an idiot, stupid, etc. Anyways, I'd like to answer this comment...
the band isn't into blast beats, shredding, etc.
Ummm...I can plainly see that they aren't into blast beats, because there is none on the album. Where did I say that they had to have blast beats, in order to make them good? Did I accidently imply that? If so, where, because I would like to correct it. As for not being into shredding...dude, that's exactly what the guitarist does through all the sixteen minutes that there is to this album.
But people, tell me, why is my review bad? Is my review awful because I don't justify MY opinion, or yours? Seemingly, I don't get the music. But instead of being all "badass" over the internet, making stupid comments that spit on me and my review, just tell me what there is to get, so I can at least get a bigger picture of what these guys do. It probably won't change what I think, but I want to see where you guys are coming from. I know at least one person has done this, and I appreciate that.
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Every single song has at least one sweep in it, one high-register sweep, and it sounds the same. It's not exactly, to the dot perfection, but the leads are so similar in their structure and fret positions that they sound very much alike.
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When I was reading this review I kind of figured this was some sort of minimalist composition that Epilogue was just misunderstanding. After hearing what pixies and burton had to say about Orthrelm I think I'm going to check them out.
-The itunes samples for their album with the insanely long and weird name seem abrasively awesome.This Message Edited On 01.17.08
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I've listened to this quite enough to know that the only thing I like is...
1)The talent the guitar player has.
And that's contradicted by the fact that I think this album shows only the fewest aspects of what he can do, as far as guitar-playing-wise. But I see absolutley no way of me understanding the songwriting techniques these guys have. As said, it sounds to me like a 16 minute jam. I guess you have to be in a paticulary crazy mood to enjoy this, but I doubt that it will change my mood about this album anyway.
And no, I wasn't expecting Opeth in any way, shape or form. I believe that there will be one band that sound like Opeth, and that is Opeth. Opeth doesnt come to mind when I'm searching Avant-Garde music, sorry.
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If this review had been of either of the sessions Mick Barr did with Zach Hill, I would be aghast. But it's not, so I'm not, and reading the aimless banter in the comments has been entertaining.
Carry on!
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The song they have on the split with Behold... The Arctopus is pretty sweet.
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