Listen to The Clash's first album and then tell me they weren't a punk band.

This post is from a music genre perspective.

At the time, they [b]were[/b], but by modern standards not so much, in my opinion (I'm going to have to put that on every freaking thing i say now so im not pulled over by the mikey79 opinion police). Take into account their other recordings.

/listens to first album

they aren't a punk band

/lies

[QUOTE=Schqwnbean]This post is from a music genre perspective.

At the time, they [b]were[/b], but by modern standards not so much, in my opinion (I'm going to have to put that on every freaking thing i say now so im not pulled over by the mikey79 opinion police). Take into account their other recordings.[/QUOTE]
The Vandals made a country album. OMG they must be country!!!!!

lol well on that one you have me beaten into the ground ;)

/me kisses sketchyjoes feet

[QUOTE=Twat_Out_Of_Hell]Not really, i listen to a lot of 'old' punk. To be honest, i think you'll find about 50% of the people in this forum would say that the clash aren't punk[/QUOTE]

thats sad....

[QUOTE=Schqwnbean]Oddly enough, i don't like the descendents or the casualties, but i do admit to having a fancy for bad religion.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I did think we were discussing music rather than how people think and act, but if we're moving onto mentality then that confuses things even more so. [/QUOTE]

That's convenient of you to say but I was responding to your confusing statement of classifying the Clash "beyond the genre" of music, which I read as something other than the music itself. And you say the Clash are punk....but not all that punk? So we're talking strictly the music now? Got it.

[QUOTE=Schqwnbean]The clash, the pistols, the ramones... everyone bangs on about them all the time... i never said they weren't punk- just not all that punk. Of course you may have the wrong end of my stick- im talking from a perspective beyond what genre the music is.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Schqwnbean]As people on this forum have confirmed, the sex pistols were manufactured, which is [b]not[/b] punk. But, looking at their attitudes to life and what they sang about, they are. Similarly, the ramones music, at the time, was definitely punk-rock (or punx rawk, wH@T eV@ U waN2cALL iT). By modern music standards, they are probably pop punk. By mentality, with the lead member being a republican, they are a mixture- part of 'punk' is an alternative view to life, almost similar to the hippies (but obviously NOT the same). This of course has been warped by the mass media and some modern bands (*cough* good *cough* charlotte *cough cough*) into sh1tty mess.
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I thought we were talking sound? You want to go back to the mentality issue now? I had no idea Johnny's politics was so central to the Ramones music. You'll have to read me some of Joey's and Dee Dee's lyrics to refresh my memory. As for the pistols, are we now talking music or attitude? I thought you wanted to talk about their sound? Manufactured or not-and this forum supposedly confirming their lack of authenticity doesn't give your statements any credibility whatsoever-they were the only band playing that style of rock at the time, a style that has been ripped off by generations of punk bands so I don't know where you going with the Pistols slagging.

[QUOTE=Schqwnbean]The clash's 'punkness' was always debatable, going on the music alone. But, as you quite rightly say, their mentality and appoach to things is punk, especially where they're from and what they sing of. Kinda like the specials really.[/QUOTE]

Attitude wise-the clash were punk in spades-we agree. Going by the music alone? Their roots are firmly implanted in punk as its obvious you've never even heard the S/T album or else you wouldn't be making statements like that. I mean think about it for a second, if the Clash's "punk" sound was debatable, yet they were one of the first group of bands playing that "punk" sound, then how is it possible they aren't "punk? You're a very confused kid. Lodon Calling encompassed various styles of rock music, including the punk sound.

[QUOTE=Schqwnbean]Not sure why you want conflict, but if you do, feel free to start another thread where we can discuss this further instead of flaming this thread all the time.[/QUOTE]

You're getting static from me because your opinions are grossly misinformed and based on heresay and conjecture. Yet instead of taking my criticism and swallowing it for your own good, you come back for more. You think those old bands suck and todays' bands are better. I get it. But if you're going to bash the "punkness" of those bands here or anywhere in the future with other people who probably know more about this subject than me, then be prepared to get clowned and laughed out of the conversation every single time. Guaranteed.

Have a good evening sir. :wave:

last time I checked, the thread title did not say, punk debate, so stfu. Arguing on the internet, how fun.

any way

clash=good music
settled

[QUOTE=chairman_of_the_board]any way

against me=good music
settled[/QUOTE]


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discussing the clash

against me = good agreed

Wow, this was awesome for me. Coming from a mainly Rock/Metal background I was looking for more punk albums. I remembered seeing the polls for this, so I thought I'd see if it was still here. Boy, the results were well done. Like how the albums got descriptions. very well done. Kudos to the guy who organized this. Now, I got a good hardy list of albums to pick up. :thumb:

Here and now, I fall on my knees before mike79.

Every arguement I come up with is flattened by you- and goddam it I'm not used to losing! I still think you're wrong, but I have absolutely nothing else to say so I concede complete and utter defeat.

Thankyou, and I will have a nice day :)

That was wicked man.

sex pistols were a punk band, ramones were a punk band


the clash were the clash, they werent anything in particular, they played everything

i think rancid-AOCTW should of been higher. the bass solo in maxwell ripped

[QUOTE=metty16]i think rancid-AOCTW should of been higher. the bass solo in maxwell ripped[/QUOTE]
Your user title is spot on. That solo sucks.

yeah thats a great list and that. could of any Millencolins albums, 'Pennybridge Pionneers' or "Life On A Plate" could of graced the list, those albums were amazing, not just saying that from a millencolin fans point of view. except that, a spot on list

Nice dude. I do think Dag Nasty's "Can I Say" should be on there though. Glad that DK won it. Also glad that Operation Ivy is 3. Nice dude

Well i think personally i could change it, but in all well done. this is a great effort, maybe gettin rid of AFI. im glad to see no ****ty try hard punk bands AKA simple plan. i like your interest in old school punk, and low amounts of post punk. DK are awesome, love political messages, Clash rock, Ramones invented rock and punk basically, and then the new school, like rancid and nofx. good stuff and stop ya whinging, unless ya wanna do one yaselves

nice list...glad to see some op ivy and rancid. would have liked more nofx, but its cool. good job.

The clash cant be that high in the list

[QUOTE=JBJRTS]The clash cant be that high in the list[/QUOTE]
They are. Get over it.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]They are. Get over it.[/QUOTE]

couldn't have said it better myself.

[b]98.Nekromantix - Return of the loving dead[/b]
More shi[b]t[/b] pseudo-psychobilly on Hellcat. Is this what passes for a great punk album these days? Everyone who voted for this is retarded.

i agree that the nekromantix should not be considered punk, but they are, and at ninety eigh place, i think that they should be the ones complaining, not rich little trannys like yourself.

[QUOTE=monkeypunk][b]98.Nekromantix - Return of the loving dead[/b]
More shi[b]t[/b] pseudo-psychobilly on Hellcat. Is this what passes for a great punk album these days? Everyone who voted for this is retarded.

i agree that the nekromantix should not be considered punk, but they are, and at ninety eigh place, i think that they should be the ones complaining, not rich little trannys like yourself.[/QUOTE]
They are punk in that they're psychobilly which is a sub-genre of punk however that isn't a great punk album. There are a lot of better ones that were left off. They shouldn't even be on the list.

I have no money, I'm 6'2" and 175lb and I don't enjoy dressing in women's clothing.

[QUOTE=blackkey]If you knew anything about rock, you would know those were not punk bands.[/QUOTE]

ha i completely agree. motley is nothing but ****ty *** **** rock

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]They are punk in that they're psychobilly which is a sub-genre of punk however that isn't a great punk album. There are a lot of better ones that were left off. They shouldn't even be on the list.

I have no money, I'm 6'2" and 175lb and I don't enjoy dressing in women's clothing.[/QUOTE]
okay, i apologize for my shot, and now that i understand where you are coming from, i agree with you. and oh, stop the intimidation bull ****.

The intimidation bulls[u]h[/u]it? You had a go at me.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]The people have spoken. You suck.[/QUOTE]
i agree.