[QUOTE=BassPlayer222]This is a great list.....you covered every punk band from the beigging of punk like Iggy and the Ramones...the middle like descendents...to even new stuff like rise against and anti flag. Its covered all the greats. Although i dont agree with some of the orders....Dead Kennedys definatly shouldnt be at #1...but thats just my opinion...all in all its a great list.....the best ive seen.[/QUOTE]

DK needs to be in the top 3 atleast.

Great job everyone, cookies all around
-joe, thanks for correcting me in the D'amned^3 review.

hah, im still mad that jawbreaker wasn't on there, Dag Nasty made it :/

you stole my frikin avatar hate

[QUOTE=StrangeDenial]now why would you say that?[/QUOTE]

Cuz in my opinion there a decent band but are overated....they belong in the top 20 but not #1. again thats just my opinion. Iggy or the Ramones should be at #1.

I would agree if I didn't think that the ramones suck.

The Ramones live stuff is a lot better than the studio stuff.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]The Ramones live stuff is a lot better than the studio stuff.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I know. Matt told me that too. I've heard them live but I just can't listen to them for more than 10 or 15 minutes. They bore me a lot. Don't get me wrong, they have some great songs but I'll never be able to listen to half of an album from the Ramones in a row.

[QUOTE=albert_bass]Yeah, I know. Matt told me that too. I've heard them live but I just can't listen to them for more than 10 or 15 minutes. They bore me a lot. Don't get me wrong, they have some great songs but I'll never be able to listen to half of an album from the Ramones in a row.[/QUOTE]

i agree...i just feal influence wise...without them....alot of bands might not have got to where they are.....iggy deserves to be #1 more

I think DK deserves to be number 1. I haven't met many people who listen to punk who dont listen to and like them. A lot of people dislike the Ramones and Iggy.

It was best albums, not influential. If you went influential the top 5 would be something like, judging by the posters in this forum.
The Clash
Sex Pistols
The Ramones
Iggy Pop
Velvet Underground or MC5 etc.

The top three need to be The Specials, Against Me!, and C'ock Sparrer, becuase they are the best bands ever. And maby Crass, but that would be based on their message as opposed to their music.

swap 19 with 8 and it'd be perfect.

nicely done. i don't agree on the order of a bunch of those records but you've pretty much hit most every single record that counts. some grossly over looked bands that could easily replace bands like horropops, aus rotten, etc:

velvet undergroud
mc5
ny dolls
government issue
richard hell and the voidoids
cramps
avengers
x ray spex
slits

[QUOTE=guns_of_brixton]This is where your post started to suck.[/QUOTE]

The clash, the pistols, the ramones... everyone bangs on about them all the time... i never said they weren't punk- just not all that punk. Of course you may have the wrong end of my stick- im talking from a perspective beyond what genre the music is. Also, I have no evidence but i've heard a lot about the pistols being completely manufactured- does anyone have anything to back that up or is it just a false rumour? I hope its just a rumour- of the three bands the pistols had the best album with never mind the b0ll0cks.

The pistols were as manufactured as any modern pop band, put together by a label

[QUOTE=Schqwnbean]

[b]Influential[/b] is [u]not[/u] the same as [b]good[/b]. yes the ramones, the pistols, and the clash were massive influences, but frankly they werent that great as bands, or even that punk! Didn't johnny ramone become a republican?!

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you know you're a total and complete douchebag? if it weren't for the ramones, clash or sex pistols, propaghandi, or none of the bands you listen to today would even exist today. and what makes one band more punk than the next?

He means punk by the music they play, and the Clash didn't play a lot of punk.

He's right, just because a band is influential doesn't mean everyone has to like them.

[QUOTE=Twat_Out_Of_Hell]He means punk by the music they play, and the Clash didn't play a lot of punk.

He's right, just because a band is influential doesn't mean everyone has to like them.[/QUOTE]

Oh no, not this again. ;)

I never implied he had to enjoy them. I will never imply anyone has to like any band. But he's not giving them their proper due. When he says influential is not the same as good, that's from his subjective point of view. I counter with, if they were no good, then how could they be possibly be influential? Enough bands had to have liked them for them to be these revered bands that they are today, no?

What again, is the definition of a punk band? Any band that must play fast and like the Ramones? You didn't say that but that's what I'm getting from you and schwqbean when he said aforementioned bands weren't "all that punk."

Well, punk in general is an aggressive form of rock, fast, simple and energetic (muscially).

It's debatable whether the clash are punk as in their music was so varied they didn't reallt stick to any genre in particular and included a lot of reggae in particular in their music.

What you're saying is true, for a band to be influentail they must be popular but that doesn't mean everyone has to like them. I think that's all they meant

[QUOTE=mike79]Oh no, not this again. ;)

I never implied he had to enjoy them. I will never imply anyone has to like any band. But he's not giving them their proper due. When he says influential is not the same as good, that's from his subjective point of view. I counter with, if they were no good, then how could they be possibly be influential? Enough bands had to have liked them for them to be these revered bands that they are today, no?

What again, is the definition of a punk band? Any band that must play fast and like the Ramones? You didn't say that but that's what I'm getting from you and schwqbean when he said aforementioned bands weren't "all that punk."[/QUOTE]

So, because I disagree with 'his holiness' mike79, I am a douchebag? Valid point there bud.

And I understand that modern punk wouldn't exist without them. I acknowledge they played an important role in the history of punk. But in my opinion they were nothin special. So they influenced many people. But to be an influence you don't have to be any good. I don't like the ramones (oooh thats going to make me sooo unpopular on here). I find their music repetitive and boring after 15 mins or so. Thats just me though, my opinion.

I think you're getting the wrong end of the sausage. Everything I post is my opinion. Not divine law. Isn't that the point of a message board- particularly a punk one? Expressing your opinion?

Thats kinda what i meant twat_out_of_hell. But influences don't have to be popular etc- people you hate influence you to be [b]not[/b] like them for example.

Why don't we just close these threads?

[QUOTE=Schqwnbean]So, because I disagree with 'his holiness' mike79, I am a douchebag? Valid point there bud.

And I understand that modern punk wouldn't exist without them. I acknowledge they played an important role in the history of punk. But in my opinion they were nothin special. So they influenced many people. But to be an influence you don't have to be any good. I don't like the ramones (oooh thats going to make me sooo unpopular on here). I find their music repetitive and boring after 15 mins or so. Thats just me though, my opinion.

I think you're getting the wrong end of the sausage. Everything I post is my opinion. Not divine law. Isn't that the point of a message board- particularly a punk one? Expressing your opinion?

And yes thats what i meant twat_out_of_hell.[/QUOTE]

And I'm gonna keep on calling you a total douchebag moron because:

A. I am in total agreement that nobody is forcing you to like anything yet you're trying to call me out on that.

B. In your previous comments, you were stating how "punk" bands were like the Clash, Ramones, Pistols when you don't know the history of the pistols and when its obvious the extent of your superficial knowledge of punk rock starts and stops with Casualties, Bad Religion and the Descedents type bands. Johnny Ramone was a Republican! OMG! Not punx rawk!

So yea, as your god, stop expressing your uninformed opinions until you have actual substance and legitimacy to back it up.

[QUOTE=Twat_Out_Of_Hell]
It's debatable whether the clash are punk as in their music was so varied they didn't reallt stick to any genre in particular and included a lot of reggae in particular in their music.
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No offense, but you need to listen to more old bands (pre 80s hardcore like Television, Talking Heads, The Slits, X Ray Spex) and learn more about the history when its obvious comments like "its debatable whether the clash are punk" are just uninformed when it was BECAUSE they were so varied and doing their own thing while still rocking your *** to the ground, they were punk as ****.

Not really, i listen to a lot of 'old' punk. To be honest, i think you'll find about 50% of the people in this forum would say that the clash aren't punk

[QUOTE=Twat_Out_Of_Hell]Not really, i listen to a lot of 'old' punk. To be honest, [B]i think you'll find about 50% of the people in this forum would say that the clash aren't punk[/B][/QUOTE]



Musically wise I can see that. But they did ALOT for the punk culture.

The Clash were first and foremost a punk band. Has anyone even listened to The Clash?

[QUOTE=Ihatehate]Musically wise I can see that. But they did ALOT for the punk culture.[/QUOTE]

definately

[QUOTE=Twat_Out_Of_Hell]Not really, i listen to a lot of 'old' punk. To be honest, i think you'll find about 50% of the people in this forum would say that the clash aren't punk[/QUOTE]

That's very surprising and very sad to hear that but I'd also be willing to bet the average age of those 50% who think the clash aren't a punk band is around 16 or 17. And this brings me back to something i referred to earlier, punk is heard by kids today as a particular sound, not as a particular mentality and approach to rock music which I'd contend is what punk was always about.

the clash?never heard of this band.are they any good?

[QUOTE=mike79]That's very surprising and very sad to hear that but I'd also be willing to bet the average age of those 50% who think the clash aren't a punk band is around 16 or 17. And this brings me back to something i referred to earlier, punk is heard by kids today as a particular sound, not as a particular mentality and approach to rock music which I'd contend is what punk was always about.[/QUOTE]

Definately, that's what makes the Clash a punk band. Their music was varied and they flittered in and out of genres but their style and ethos was punk

[QUOTE=mike79]And I'm gonna keep on calling you a total douchebag moron because:

A. I am in total agreement that nobody is forcing you to like anything yet you're trying to call me out on that.

B. In your previous comments, you were stating how "punk" bands were like the Clash, Ramones, Pistols when you don't know the history of the pistols and when its obvious the extent of your superficial knowledge of punk rock starts and stops with Casualties, Bad Religion and the Descedents type bands. Johnny Ramone was a Republican! OMG! Not punx rawk!

So yea, as your god, stop expressing your uninformed opinions until you have actual substance and legitimacy to back it up.[/QUOTE]

Oddly enough, i don't like the descendents or the casualties, but i do admit to having a fancy for bad religion.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I did think we were discussing music rather than how people think and act, but if we're moving onto mentality then that confuses things even more so. As people on this forum have confirmed, the sex pistols were manufactured, which is [b]not[/b] punk. But, looking at their attitudes to life and what they sang about, they are. Similarly, the ramones music, at the time, was definitely punk-rock (or punx rawk, wH@T eV@ U waN2cALL iT). By modern music standards, they are probably pop punk. By mentality, with the lead member being a republican, they are a mixture- part of 'punk' is an alternative view to life, almost similar to the hippies (but obviously NOT the same). This of course has been warped by the mass media and some modern bands (*cough* good *cough* charlotte *cough cough*) into sh1tty mess.

The clash's 'punkness' was always debatable, going on the music alone. But, as you quite rightly say, their mentality and appoach to things is punk, especially where they're from and what they sing of. Kinda like the specials really.

Not sure why you want conflict, but if you do, feel free to start another thread where we can discuss this further instead of flaming this thread all the time.