Practicing Near The Breakdown Point
 

Here is a graphic representation of a practice technique that ensures drummers achieve both dimensions of drumming excellence: speed and accuracy.

[url]http://jasonhorsler.tripod.com/id94.html[/url]

this is a lesson i give all my pupils so i decided to put it up neatly on my website rather than just scrawl it on paper for them during lessons. have a gander

j

Speed is a side-effect of control.


Oh whoops! I'm sorry... I didn't mean to summarise your 550 word article in 7 words.

don't worry ... you didn't

j

Thats not a bad lesson but it's a little long winded. You could easily cut it down and make it much more simple. I don't think the graph is all that necessary, it makes what you're trying to say seem more complicated than it actually is.
I do agree with you though: work up to your maximum speed, drop the tempo down to a place you feel comfortable and hold it there.


Speed and accuracy the only dimensions of [I]drumming[/I] excellence...? The excellence of r[I]udimental practice[/I], maybe but otherwise I'd have to disagree. I mean, does musicality count for nothing?

accurately capturing expression

[QUOTE=The Mites;15889124]Speed is a side-effect of control.


Oh whoops! I'm sorry... I didn't mean to summarise your 550 word article in 7 words.[/QUOTE]

Lol, man, you're a dick. All you do is rip on this guy.

[quote=The Mites;15889124]Speed is a side-effect of control.


Oh whoops! I'm sorry... I didn't mean to summarise your 550 word article in 7 words.[/quote]


[quote=The Mites;15889487]Kit Setup

I love big drum kit setups. There’s nothing quite like seeing a beefy drum-monster overloaded with testosterone. However, one thing I personally can not stand is long set up times. The trade-off just isn’t worth it.
The same thing goes for your choice of hardware, and this is rather a big issue, especially nowadays where you really are spoiled for choice when it comes to hardware. Some of the later products from DW and Gibraltar are the epitome of this.

Let me break this down:

Toms: You could have a couple; you could have a ridiculous Mike Portnoy amount. It doesn’t really matter. What matters is how many you personally feel comfortable playing on. I don’t feel comfortable playing with two floor toms. Other people are, and that doesn’t matter. What matters is that you will be carrying both those floor toms to and from your car before and after the gig/session.

With regards to placement, your tom-toms should descend in pitch from left to right. There are a good many great drummers who switch some of their toms around to make playing them more difficult or for aesthetics or whatever. In all seriousness, the drum kit is a hard enough instrument already and if you need to find ways of making it more difficult then you need to stop and reflect as to why you are playing in the first place. Secondly, you should never set up your drums or cymbals in a particular way that is fashionable, with that being the singular reason. Aesthetics is never a reason. The previous sentence should be our mantra. Remember it, tell your friends, spray-paint it on your school, tattoo it on your upper thigh. Just don’t forget it! You shouldn’t have to reach for your toms either; they should be at arms length so you aren’t thrown off balance when you play them. I strongly suggest watching Billy Ward’s DVD entitled Big Time for a fantastic source of drumming minus bullshit.[/quote]

"I'm better than you"

Oh sorry i didn't mean to summarize your however-many-word article into 4 words.

Anyway...awesome lesson. I should really start doing this...and by "this" i mean just practicing rudiments and stuff like that in general. All I've been doing lately is just groovin around the kit and playing with my band...not actually WORKING on anything.

[QUOTE=NUTHA JASON]accurately capturing expression[/QUOTE]

I do not understand how you percieve your "diagram" as accurate when there are no units of measurement.

[QUOTE=enemytopublic2]"I'm better than you"[/QUOTE]

The article I wrote had no hint of self-superiority whatsoever.

you crack me up enemy. lol

[QUOTE]I do not understand how you percieve your "diagram" as accurate when there are no units of measurement.[/QUOTE]

you would need units of measurement mites.

...What?

you would need units of measurement mites.

Wow. I obviously said "...What?" because I didn't [I]hear[/I] what you said despite the text-based medium. :rolleyes:

Maybe you could try explaining what your sentence means?

[QUOTE=The Mites;15894773]Wow. I obviously said "...What?" because I didn't [I]hear[/I] what you said despite the text-based medium. :rolleyes:

Maybe you could try explaining what your sentence means?[/QUOTE]

or maybe he's just ****ing with you because you're a dick?

rofl

lolololololololololllll

What makes me a dick? Because I challenge the thread-starter's proclamations?

I guess all members of parliament are dicks too then... :rolleyes:

Hey guys, MX members are now official members of the parliament, so it's ok to be dicks to each other!!

There's ways to "challenge" someones thoughts and ideas without being a sarcastic asshole, unless that's just who you are. If that's the case, then my apologies.

Anyways...at least he is trying to positively contribute to the Lessons thread and appears to be about one of two or so people that have so far.

Uhhhh....

So what you're saying is...

[B]Practice and you get better...

[/B]My dear lord, the revelations that are now unfolding.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by [B]sLarkin20[/B]

[I]Hey guys, MX members are now official members of the parliament, so it's ok to be dicks to each other!![/I]

[COLOR="Red"]Here's where you are being hypocritical. You use sarcasm to counter my previous statement, and then in your next paragraph you associate sarcasm with being an "asshole". Furthermore, no we are not members of parliament but we are human beings all the same and should challenge the information we are given unless it coincides with our own logic and reasoning.[/COLOR]

[I]There's ways to "challenge" someones thoughts and ideas without being a sarcastic asshole, unless that's just who you are. If that's the case, then my apologies.[/I]

[COLOR="red"]I hereby decline your apology.[/COLOR]

[I]Anyways...at least he is trying to positively contribute to the Lessons thread and appears to be about one of two or so people that have so far.[/I]

[COLOR="red"]There is a diference between trying, and achieving. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Anything else mate?

[QUOTE=Wicked Train of Thought;15897468]Uhhhh....

So what you're saying is...

[B]Practice and you get better...

[/B]My dear lord, the revelations that are now unfolding.[/QUOTE]

What he is saying is make sure you practice at a speed you can handle while using correct technique. It's good advice that every drummer can benefit from.

[QUOTE=The Mites;15897690]Anything else mate?[/QUOTE]

No. Apparently I was right when classifying you as a sarcastic asshole as you just claimed to be. That was all my post was meant to accomplish really, which it did. Thanks mate!

[QUOTE=double stroke roller;15897997]What he is saying is make sure you practice at a speed you can handle while using correct technique. It's good advice that every drummer can benefit from.[/QUOTE]

Alright that's cool, but think about what you just said. You literally just summarised his article, just as WToT and I have done.

The overall message is good advice. That's just plain obvious. The initial point was that he wrote an article in 550 words, and [I]you[/I] just summarised it in 14 words.

My second point was that he tried to make his "technique" (which most people call practicing) appear to be scientific, by using a graph which for some reason(!) didn't have any units of measurement.

[QUOTE=sLarkin20]No. Apparently I was right when classifying you as a sarcastic asshole as you just claimed to be. That was all my post was meant to accomplish really, which it did. Thanks mate![/QUOTE]

My response didn't utilise sarcasm. Furthermore, to "classify" is to group it based on particular facts. You think that i'm a "sarcastic asshole", and that is your opinion, not a fact.

there are two types of people on this forum. mature people who can decide whether a post can be useful to them and even post a coherent comment (or not) and then there are guys like mites (interesting parasitic name there - the irony makes me smile everytime i read it) who have nothing better to do, no one to do it with or something. i don't care if they are 15 or 50 they need to do some serious growing up. but its okay if they don't because i'm not posting here for them but for the folks that might find my ideas useful.
so mites, thanks for bumping my threads and making me smile.
but really you are nothing but a clanging gong to me, an empty pitcher...

j

ps: Shikata ga nai

tbh BB, there's no reason to have units of measurement on that graph, because he's showing relative speeds, not exact

and while i would not have made a graph, i don't think it's a bad thing that he did, that could be very useful for people that don't know this already (the don't practice to fast part)

all of Jason's stuff is focus'd to beginner drummers, of course it's going to look easy to you, and you just have to sit around and critique him for trying to help beginners get a good foothold

[QUOTE=NUTHA JASON]there are two types of people on this forum. mature people who can decide whether a post can be useful to them and even post a coherent comment (or not) and then there are guys like mites (interesting parasitic name there - the irony makes me smile everytime i read it) who have nothing better to do, no one to do it with or something. i don't care if they are 15 or 50 they need to do some serious growing up. but its okay if they don't because i'm not posting here for them but for the folks that might find my ideas useful.
so mites, thanks for bumping my threads and making me smile.
but really you are nothing but a clanging gong to me, an empty pitcher...

j

ps: Shikata ga nai[/QUOTE]

Please refrain from using personal attacks. You have called me immature, sLarkin20 has called me a "sarcastic asshole", stevensonmat2 has called me a "dick".

I'm not attacking anyone personally, i'm attacking the content of your argument. Please refrain from personal attacks as this adds no value to the discussion.

Mods, although these members are breaking the rules, please do not close this thread as I would like to see where it develops.

Although irrelevant, I have already explained the history of my username. It does not imply that I am a parasite.

Please not also that the language used on these forums is English.

[QUOTE=lmldrummer]all of Jason's stuff is focus'd to beginner drummers, of course it's going to look easy to you, and you just have to sit around and critique him for trying to help beginners get a good foothold[/QUOTE]

I support Jason trying to help beginners. I support education in general, as it is a basic human right. However I challenge his methods.

[QUOTE=The Mites;15898255]Alright that's cool, but think about what you just said. You literally just summarised his article, just as WToT and I have done.

The overall message is good advice. That's just plain obvious. The initial point was that he wrote an article in 550 words, and [I]you[/I] just summarised it in 14 words.

My second point was that he tried to make his "technique" (which most people call practicing) appear to be scientific, by using a graph which for some reason(!) didn't have any units of measurement.



My response didn't utilise sarcasm. Furthermore, to "classify" is to group it based on particular facts. You think that i'm a "sarcastic spatula", and that is your opinion, not a fact.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I summarized it in 14 words but that summary doesn't give the reasons why it works and sometimes people need to understand the reasons behind something before they are willing to try it. That is why Jason used 550 words.

[QUOTE=The Mites;15898462]Please refrain from using personal attacks. You have called me immature, sLarkin20 has called me a "sarcastic spatula", stevensonmat2 has called me a "dick".

I'm not attacking anyone personally, i'm attacking the content of your argument. Please refrain from personal attacks as this adds no value to the discussion.

Mods, although these members are breaking the rules, please do not close this thread as I would like to see where it develops.

Although irrelevant, I have already explained the history of my username. It does not imply that I am a parasite.

Please not also that the language used on these forums is English.



I support Jason trying to help beginners. I support education in general, as it is a basic human right. However I challenge his methods.[/QUOTE]

Being as you called YOURSELF a sarcastic asshole when you "declined my apology," I don't think that could be considered a personal attack. Whether or not that was sarcasm I wouldn't know, as this is the internet. So I assume you are being serious.

Jason took his personal time to write an article/lesson obviously geared towards newer players in an attempt to contribute to this community and like I said before is one of, I believe, two people that have actually submitted a lesson since the new thread has been made.

Saying you "summarized" his article in 7 words is more or less useless because those 7 words alone would teach new players nothing. I could summarize the Bible in one word, maybe with God or Jesus or something, but that doesn't really get the whole message across to someone who has never read or heard about it before now does it?

Don't try and pretend to be nice about it now and act like myself and the others here were wrong for calling you out on being a sarcastic asshole, as you clearly labeled yourself in the earlier post. There's ways to be unnecessarily rude to someone without using "offensive" names towards someone like, for example, in the way you replied to Jason's post.

I declined your apology because the nature of your response was sarcastic and thus your apology came across as insincere.

You can't summarise The Bible as "God" or "Jesus". God/Jesus is a word, not a summary.

No more posts about this for me. I wouldn't want you to get offended by anything else I have to say about you and have you report it again.

can we take this to the stronghold please? Jason's thread is getting spammed for no reason.