Jazzcore
 

This might be the wrong section, but does anyone listen to jazzcore? I've been very intrigued by the jazzcore that I have heard, unfortunately that is very little, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend some interesting jazzcore bands.

Jazz + hardcore?

Yeah, some examples of jazzcore bands would be great.

please, enlighten us

with sugar on top...

Candiria is the only one that comes to mind...although the Dillinger Escape Plan comes close at times, and Refused played with it a TAD on their monumental "Shape of Punk to Come" album. I'm not really much of a hardcore guy, though...the vocals ruin it for me. Jazz HAS been mixed with prog/death metal....sort of, with bands like Cynic and Atheist (or anything Sean Malone related).

Plot to blow Up the Eiffel Tower

[QUOTE=Leftover Jello]This might be the wrong section, but does anyone listen to jazzcore? I've been very intrigued by the jazzcore that I have heard, unfortunately that is very little, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend some interesting jazzcore bands.[/QUOTE]


I don't think you're in the right forum, check the R&M forum for this

Det_Nosnip gave a good list tho

I don't really know much about jazzcore. I've only really seen/heard one good jazzcore band, which was upsilon acrux. I bought their cd and it is one of the most remarkable things I have listened to. It happened that plot to blow up the eiffel tower was at the same concert, but they weren't as much a jazzcore band as a hardcore band whose singer randomly took solos on his sax.

I checked out candiria and dillinger escape plan, but that's not really what I'm asking about. One band that I have heard in association with jazzcore a lot is Magma, but I know nothing about them. If anyone knows anything else thanks.

Maybe Refused, maybe Alex Scolnic (sp?) trio. I haven't heard alex scolnic's new stuff but I have heard that it is like that.

the only thing i can think of that would be remotly close would be some of Miles Davis' stuff in the late 70's w/ John Mcglaflan(sp?) and some Mahavishnu Orchestra


that Magma band sound pretty bitchin.

you also might want to check some of Bill Bruford's solo albums

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That has nothing to do with hardcore.

I wholeheartedly recommend you check out Ephel Duath. Fantastic band.

just because it has 'jazz instruments' dosent make it jazz....

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That has nothing to do with hardcore.

I wholeheartedly recommend you check out Ephel Duath. Fantastic band.[/QUOTE]

indeed

[QUOTE=Leftover Jello]I don't really know much about jazzcore. I've only really seen/heard one good jazzcore band, which was upsilon acrux. I bought their cd and it is one of the most remarkable things I have listened to. It happened that plot to blow up the eiffel tower was at the same concert, but they weren't as much a jazzcore band as a hardcore band whose singer randomly took solos on his sax.

I checked out candiria and dillinger escape plan, but that's not really what I'm asking about. One band that I have heard in association with jazzcore a lot is Magma, but I know nothing about them. If anyone knows anything else thanks.[/QUOTE]Could you send me some Upsilon Acrux over AIM or tell me where I could DL some to take a listen?

Naked City is the only band I've come across that can live up to the "jazz" part of this classification. I haven't looked very hard, though.

[url]http://www.goldenbrownrecordings.com/offminor/images/cadaveric.mp3[/url]

try this, off minor are a great band

Off Minor are really cool.

Here is a link to an Upsilon Acrux song

[URL=http://www.epicenesoundsystems.com/mp3s/upsilon-acrux_court-zolex.mp3]http://www.epicenesoundsystems.com/mp3s/upsilon-acrux_court-zolex.mp3[/URL]

OK, I listened the Upsilon Acrux and the Off Minor songs, and I am not hearing the jazz.

I did not find those grooves to be groovy, first of all. Second, there is no soloist or lead instrument. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but jazz does feature soloists: part of the point is to hear the soloist interpreting the changes of the tune and improvising. If you listen to Miles Davis, you could imagine him improvising a solo over those changes, then it would be more like jazz - but you would need a better bass player.

In the Upsilon Acrux, I heard changes, but it sounded honestly more like they had found about 2 notes that worked over each change and were sticking to those 2 notes. Jazz players construct melodies out of scales and intervals over a complex harmony, not a dissonant but simple harmony. It sounds more like what me and the guys called experimental music, and not honestly that great either.

The Off Minor just sounds like hardcore to me, I don't hear what is jazzy about it whatsoever. I mean, I have a pretty **** loose definition of jazz compared to some people, and I still am not hearing it. I think that hardcore and jazz might actually be antithetical, considering that hardcore is anti-solo and jazz is defined by the soloists.

[QUOTE=quatre07]just because it has 'jazz instruments' dosent make it jazz....[/QUOTE]

I assure you, neither Miles Davis, Mahavishnu Orchestra, or Bill Bruford have ever been involved in any hardcore. Jazz/rock fusion, yes, but hardcore, no.

And it's spelt John McLaughlin. :lol:

Nomeansno? Thats all that comes to mind when I hear "Jazzcore"

btw...Anyone have The version of Bitches Brew recorded by Nomeansno they could send me?

does 'blues-core' exist? that would be quite interesting.

[QUOTE=cicatriz]does 'blues-core' exist? that would be quite interesting.[/QUOTE]

John Spencer Blues Explosion?

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I wholeheartedly recommend you check out Ephel Duath. Fantastic band.[/QUOTE]

Yes, they certainly are.

[QUOTE=Joel_DK_Clash]Nomeansno? Thats all that comes to mind when I hear "Jazzcore"

btw...Anyone have The version of Bitches Brew recorded by Nomeansno they could send me?[/QUOTE]


I have it. My AIM name is Alex27782, and I use that same username for soulseek.

Check out Nation Of Ulysses. They aren't jazzcore in terms of hardcore and jazz but they are postpunk and jazz. They were around from 1990 to about 1994. Most of their recordings don't sound too jazzy, though they do a bit because the singer plays the trumpet in various parts with a definite bluesy feel, as do many of the instrumental sections (they were described as a band which every member plays a different song at once to combine into one song). Some songs that sound jazz/blues like are "N.O.U. Future Vision Hypothesis" , "Depression III" , "The Sound of Jazz to come", and other songs off of the album "Plays Pretty for Baby" and "The Embassy Tapes."

NOU also has a very interesting story to say in their short history. Anyone that needs info on them can im me at "presLdentO fvLce"

[QUOTE=Leftover Jello]Off Minor are really cool.

Here is a link to an Upsilon Acrux song

[URL=http://www.epicenesoundsystems.com/mp3s/upsilon-acrux_court-zolex.mp3]http://www.epicenesoundsystems.com/mp3s/upsilon-acrux_court-zolex.mp3[/URL][/QUOTE]

It could sound better if the recording was a bit tighter. I imagine there would be more of a 'groove factor' playing live.

Even for jazz influenced music, it sounds a bit random. It may have sounded better if they'd jammed on some of those grooves for a bit longer and had more build ups and stuff.

Sounds like they're trying way too hard to be an experimental band. I think give them a bit longer to develop and they could really be a hot prospect. I hear a lot of interesting ideas without the good execution.

[QUOTE=defkennedys][url]http://www.goldenbrownrecordings.com/offminor/images/cadaveric.mp3[/url]

try this, off minor are a great band[/QUOTE]

More groove than the Upsilon Crux track.

I can see the Fusion style in the verse, the vocals are spoiling it a bit for me though. Might sound cool with a sax solo in that build up after the first verse.

Sounds a bit less random, they haven't tried to cram 101 ideas into 3 minutes. I'm not sure if you'd quite classify this as jazzcore, or simply hardcore with a jazzy inlfuence, it sounds quite cool though. Maybe some more melodic vocals might sound nicer.

Does anyone know of any 'jazzcore' or hardcore bands that have managed to get the jazz influence into the breakdown as opposed to the twinkly versy bits? I'd be interested to hear that.

I don't think I've ever heard a jazzcore band, but I'd like to. As long as it wasn't just hardcore with a trumpet or something gimmicky like that.

[QUOTE=cicatriz]does 'blues-core' exist? that would be quite interesting.[/QUOTE]

it does now :lol: