Jazzcore

Leftover Jello · 03-10-2005, 01:14 AM

This might be the wrong section, but does anyone listen to jazzcore? I've been very intrigued by the jazzcore that I have heard, unfortunately that is very little, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend some interesting jazzcore bands.

pedro durruti · 03-10-2005, 01:15 AM

Jazz + hardcore?

spastic · 03-10-2005, 01:48 AM

Yeah, some examples of jazzcore bands would be great.

punkjazz · 03-10-2005, 01:52 AM

please, enlighten us

manual_Combat · 03-10-2005, 02:31 AM

with sugar on top...

***Det_Nosnip*** · 03-10-2005, 04:19 AM

Candiria is the only one that comes to mind...although the Dillinger Escape Plan comes close at times, and Refused played with it a TAD on their monumental "Shape of Punk to Come" album. I'm not really much of a hardcore guy, though...the vocals ruin it for me. Jazz HAS been mixed with prog/death metal....sort of, with bands like Cynic and Atheist (or anything Sean Malone related).

DeathHawk · 03-10-2005, 11:49 AM

Plot to blow Up the Eiffel Tower

the2stranger · 03-10-2005, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leftover Jello

This might be the wrong section, but does anyone listen to jazzcore? I've been very intrigued by the jazzcore that I have heard, unfortunately that is very little, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend some interesting jazzcore bands.

I don't think you're in the right forum, check the R&M forum for this

Det_Nosnip gave a good list tho

Leftover Jello · 03-10-2005, 06:05 PM

I don't really know much about jazzcore. I've only really seen/heard one good jazzcore band, which was upsilon acrux. I bought their cd and it is one of the most remarkable things I have listened to. It happened that plot to blow up the eiffel tower was at the same concert, but they weren't as much a jazzcore band as a hardcore band whose singer randomly took solos on his sax.

I checked out candiria and dillinger escape plan, but that's not really what I'm asking about. One band that I have heard in association with jazzcore a lot is Magma, but I know nothing about them. If anyone knows anything else thanks.

Silvermedalmafia · 03-10-2005, 06:44 PM

Maybe Refused, maybe Alex Scolnic (sp?) trio. I haven't heard alex scolnic's new stuff but I have heard that it is like that.

Omega Red · 03-10-2005, 06:44 PM

the only thing i can think of that would be remotly close would be some of Miles Davis' stuff in the late 70's w/ John Mcglaflan(sp?) and some Mahavishnu Orchestra

that Magma band sound pretty bitchin.

you also might want to check some of Bill Bruford's solo albums

FillInTheBlankHere___ · 03-10-2005, 09:05 PM

^^^
That has nothing to do with hardcore.

I wholeheartedly recommend you check out Ephel Duath. Fantastic band.

Omega Red · 03-11-2005, 03:36 PM

just because it has 'jazz instruments' dosent make it jazz....

xhaereticusx · 03-11-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FillInTheBlankHere___

^^^
That has nothing to do with hardcore.

I wholeheartedly recommend you check out Ephel Duath. Fantastic band.

indeed

ColdFire · 03-11-2005, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leftover Jello

I don't really know much about jazzcore. I've only really seen/heard one good jazzcore band, which was upsilon acrux. I bought their cd and it is one of the most remarkable things I have listened to. It happened that plot to blow up the eiffel tower was at the same concert, but they weren't as much a jazzcore band as a hardcore band whose singer randomly took solos on his sax.

I checked out candiria and dillinger escape plan, but that's not really what I'm asking about. One band that I have heard in association with jazzcore a lot is Magma, but I know nothing about them. If anyone knows anything else thanks.

Could you send me some Upsilon Acrux over AIM or tell me where I could DL some to take a listen?

***Zappa*** · 03-11-2005, 06:34 PM

Naked City is the only band I've come across that can live up to the "jazz" part of this classification. I haven't looked very hard, though.

defkennedys · 03-12-2005, 07:45 AM

http://www.goldenbrownrecordings.com/offminor/images/cadaveric.mp3

try this, off minor are a great band

Leftover Jello · 03-12-2005, 01:00 PM

Off Minor are really cool.

Here is a link to an Upsilon Acrux song

[URL=http://www.epicenesoundsystems.com/mp3s/upsilon-acrux_court-zolex.mp3]http://www.epicenesoundsystems.com/mp3s/upsilon-acrux_court-zolex.mp3[/url]

Pesky · 03-12-2005, 01:18 PM

OK, I listened the Upsilon Acrux and the Off Minor songs, and I am not hearing the jazz.

I did not find those grooves to be groovy, first of all. Second, there is no soloist or lead instrument. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but jazz does feature soloists: part of the point is to hear the soloist interpreting the changes of the tune and improvising. If you listen to Miles Davis, you could imagine him improvising a solo over those changes, then it would be more like jazz - but you would need a better bass player.

In the Upsilon Acrux, I heard changes, but it sounded honestly more like they had found about 2 notes that worked over each change and were sticking to those 2 notes. Jazz players construct melodies out of scales and intervals over a complex harmony, not a dissonant but simple harmony. It sounds more like what me and the guys called experimental music, and not honestly that great either.

The Off Minor just sounds like hardcore to me, I don't hear what is jazzy about it whatsoever. I mean, I have a pretty **** loose definition of jazz compared to some people, and I still am not hearing it. I think that hardcore and jazz might actually be antithetical, considering that hardcore is anti-solo and jazz is defined by the soloists.

FillInTheBlankHere___ · 03-12-2005, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by quatre07

just because it has 'jazz instruments' dosent make it jazz....

I assure you, neither Miles Davis, Mahavishnu Orchestra, or Bill Bruford have ever been involved in any hardcore. Jazz/rock fusion, yes, but hardcore, no.

And it's spelt John McLaughlin.

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Leftover Jello Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 464	Jazzcore This might be the wrong section, but does anyone listen to jazzcore? I've been very intrigued by the jazzcore that I have heard, unfortunately that is very little, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend some interesting jazzcore bands.

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Omega Red Omega Distoryer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Boston/San Diego Posts: 11,206	the only thing i can think of that would be remotly close would be some of Miles Davis' stuff in the late 70's w/ John Mcglaflan(sp?) and some Mahavishnu Orchestra that Magma band sound pretty bitchin. you also might want to check some of Bill Bruford's solo albums Last edited by Omega Red; 03-10-2005 at 06:49 PM.

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*Zappa* Tatiana Ali! Supermod Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Alongside Posts: 9,992	Naked City is the only band I've come across that can live up to the "jazz" part of this classification. I haven't looked very hard, though. __________________ "The present-day composer refuses to die"— Edgar Varèse "I don't want to sell my music. I'd like give it away because where I got it, you didn't have to pay for it"—Captain Beefheart Golden rule for music: "if it sounds good to you, it's bitchen. If it sounds bad to you, it's sh[i][/i]itty."—Frank Zappa

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03-10-2005, 01:15 AM	#2
pedro durruti incendiarism Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: zemzem Posts: 8,664	Jazz + hardcore?

03-10-2005, 01:48 AM	#3
spastic FreeMusicNo1 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,596	Yeah, some examples of jazzcore bands would be great.

03-10-2005, 01:52 AM	#4
punkjazz myspace.com/lastdawnrock Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Colombia Posts: 201	please, enlighten us

03-10-2005, 02:31 AM	#5
manual_Combat euphoria = bass Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Taiwan Posts: 350	with sugar on top...

03-10-2005, 04:19 AM	#6
*Det_Nosnip* Coltrane minus Coltrane Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 16,531	Candiria is the only one that comes to mind...although the Dillinger Escape Plan comes close at times, and Refused played with it a TAD on their monumental "Shape of Punk to Come" album. I'm not really much of a hardcore guy, though...the vocals ruin it for me. Jazz HAS been mixed with prog/death metal....sort of, with bands like Cynic and Atheist (or anything Sean Malone related).

03-10-2005, 11:49 AM	#7
DeathHawk Uriel Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,935	Plot to blow Up the Eiffel Tower

03-10-2005, 06:05 PM	#9
Leftover Jello Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 464	I don't really know much about jazzcore. I've only really seen/heard one good jazzcore band, which was upsilon acrux. I bought their cd and it is one of the most remarkable things I have listened to. It happened that plot to blow up the eiffel tower was at the same concert, but they weren't as much a jazzcore band as a hardcore band whose singer randomly took solos on his sax. I checked out candiria and dillinger escape plan, but that's not really what I'm asking about. One band that I have heard in association with jazzcore a lot is Magma, but I know nothing about them. If anyone knows anything else thanks.

03-10-2005, 06:44 PM	#10
Silvermedalmafia Goin crazy on Caroline St Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Neither here nor there Posts: 6,368	Maybe Refused, maybe Alex Scolnic (sp?) trio. I haven't heard alex scolnic's new stuff but I have heard that it is like that.

03-10-2005, 09:05 PM	#12
FillInTheBlankHere___ Look, a 3-headed monkey! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 2,327	^^^ That has nothing to do with hardcore. I wholeheartedly recommend you check out Ephel Duath. Fantastic band.

03-11-2005, 03:36 PM	#13
Omega Red Omega Distoryer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Boston/San Diego Posts: 11,206	just because it has 'jazz instruments' dosent make it jazz....

03-12-2005, 07:45 AM	#17
defkennedys SAMEPARADE Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: england - **** york Posts: 160	http://www.goldenbrownrecordings.com/offminor/images/cadaveric.mp3 try this, off minor are a great band

03-12-2005, 01:00 PM	#18
Leftover Jello Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 464	Off Minor are really cool. Here is a link to an Upsilon Acrux song [URL=http://www.epicenesoundsystems.com/mp3s/upsilon-acrux_court-zolex.mp3]http://www.epicenesoundsystems.com/mp3s/upsilon-acrux_court-zolex.mp3[/url]

03-12-2005, 01:18 PM	#19
Pesky Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 70	OK, I listened the Upsilon Acrux and the Off Minor songs, and I am not hearing the jazz. I did not find those grooves to be groovy, first of all. Second, there is no soloist or lead instrument. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but jazz does feature soloists: part of the point is to hear the soloist interpreting the changes of the tune and improvising. If you listen to Miles Davis, you could imagine him improvising a solo over those changes, then it would be more like jazz - but you would need a better bass player. In the Upsilon Acrux, I heard changes, but it sounded honestly more like they had found about 2 notes that worked over each change and were sticking to those 2 notes. Jazz players construct melodies out of scales and intervals over a complex harmony, not a dissonant but simple harmony. It sounds more like what me and the guys called experimental music, and not honestly that great either. The Off Minor just sounds like hardcore to me, I don't hear what is jazzy about it whatsoever. I mean, I have a pretty **** loose definition of jazz compared to some people, and I still am not hearing it. I think that hardcore and jazz might actually be antithetical, considering that hardcore is anti-solo and jazz is defined by the soloists.