what bout dead kennedys and suicidal tendencies. are they hardcore then?

Not DK and I haven't listened to ST in over a year so I donno.

why isnt DK hardcore. i was always under the impression that they were...

I thought DK was considered hardcore punk... Minor Threat, Black Flag, Bad Brains etc.

They'e Punk/Punk Rock (what ever floats your boat)

They're really don't have anything in common with hardcore of those days. When you compare bands like Minor Threat and Black Flag to Dead Kennedys you should notice some big differences. Such as the general tone of the amp, the chords played, the style of vocals. Jello really doesn't do any sort of scream.

Also I've herad Jello himself call them punk rock.

Dead Kennedys are a surfcore (hardcore influenced by surf and punk) band and ST are a hardcore/metal band, they switched between those two genres. But, yeah, thyey're both Hardcore bands.

Yeah, there are definately some differences... but for some reason I was always under the impression that they were slumped into that category.

I think of them as a hardcore band that did something really different from everyone else.

thats funny how that 14 year old (will) was the most rational person on this thread, i stand some-what corrected.

[QUOTE=will]Sure, I enjoy noise bands (converge, norma jean and the like...) but don't you all think that it is time to stop analysing sub-genres, criticizing people for their music taste, and stereotyping young music fans, and time to start paying attention to what really matters - the musicians, what they stand for, and whether or not the music is what you like?[/QUOTE]This is why I made this thread, hardcore bands aren't looking to be known as amazing musicians. They are in it for the hardcore scene, playing shows, seeing kids dance their hearts out, engaging in pile ons, etc. They stand for every show they play.

[QUOTE=iHATEgc]This is why I made this thread, hardcore bands aren't looking to be known as amazing musicians. They are in it for the hardcore scene, playing shows, seeing kids dance their hearts out, engaging in pile ons, etc. They stand for every show they play.[/QUOTE]

sounds like something i musta missed out on, but anyway now that iv alienated everyone, i was wondering if you guys would review a song i made, i think it would best be described as 'grindcore'..

dl link

[URL=http://members.aol.com/qish/The_F---_S----SODOMY.wav]the f*** s*** - SODOMY![/URL]

...the name needs work i know

I want my minute and fifteen seconds back.

You need to add Post hardcore/Screamo, I dont really know a good definition of it, but someone here probably does

[QUOTE=Gotkookie]You need to add Post hardcore/Screamo, I dont really know a good definition of it, but someone here probably does[/QUOTE]

seriously, listen to this band

this is what real post hardcore sounds like:

[url]http://listen.to/wpp[/url]

to describe it

very VERY weird sounds coming out of the guitars
fast tempo drums
a combination of yelling and screaming, the vocals are very disorganized and crazy
and some cool melodic breakdowns every here and there

If every form of hardcore is welcome in this thread also New York Hardcore belongs in here.
Some NYHC bands:
Madball, Sick of it All, Agnostic Front, ... Could anyone fill this list up?

Gray Matter is emo?

[QUOTE=Gotkookie]You need to add Post hardcore/Screamo, I dont really know a good definition of it, but someone here probably does[/QUOTE]

Cirlce Takes The Square is a good screamo band.

[url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3081&mode=song_hifi[/url]
[url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3085&mode=song_hifi[/url]
[url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3086&mode=song_hifi[/url]

[QUOTE=cbmartinez24]Gray Matter is emo?[/QUOTE]

i dont think so, but i am not expert at all this.

[QUOTE=iHATEgc]**Decided to bring this into the Punk Forum. If it turns into a spam/agrument thread then close it as soon as possible. It's meant for education and actual discussion.


This is for those of you who throw around the the phrase hardcore far too often.

Metalcore is often mistaken for Hardcore on these boards. Here's the difference.

Hardcore is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face.

Metalcore is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass.

Hardcore bands:
American Nightmare, Black Flag, Comeback Kid, Floorpunch, Ten Yard Fight, No Innocent Victim, Dodgin Bullets, With Honor, Gorilla Biscuits, Mouthpiece, Sworn Enemy, Sworn In, Over My Dead Body, Minor Threat, Mental, My Luck, The Promise, Throwdown, Stretch Arm Strong, Terror, Until The End, What Feeds The Fire, Some Kind Of Hate, Champion, Count Me Out, Without Warning, Most Precious Blood, Modern Life Is war, Scrotum Grinder, No Warning...

Metalcore bands:
On Broken Wings, Scarlet, Every Time I Die, This Day Forward, The Bled, Scars Of Tomorrow, Love Is Red, Cataract, Bleeding Through, Norma Jean, Nora, As I Lay Dying, Beauty To Ashes, Thirty Called Arson, Unearth, With Resistance, Botch, Underoath, Himsa, Evelynn, Darkest Hour, Atreyu, It Dies Today...

[B]MORE[/B]

Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore. Meaning they're more complex in the musical writings.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, Cock and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed...

Emo style has become broader over the years. In the beginning, these bands consisted mostly of people who played in hardcore punk bands, got burned out its limited forms, and moved to a guitar-oriented, midtempo rock-based sound with emotional punk vocals (i.e., no posed soulful crooning like pop music). The central aspect here is the guitars - distorted, strummed mostly in duo unison, with occasional catchy riff highlights. This becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound," along with the octave chords that show up in later "emo" music. Later bands bring in more pop elements, like catchy-riff based songs, pop song structures (listen to Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King" to illustrate this), and less-punk, more-smoothly-sung high-register singing (less yelling, straining, throatiness). Listen to Elliot or Chamberlain for an example of how alternative-pop this music has become. Yet those bands are undeniably still emocore. Also note most emo bands play Gibson Les Paul guitars, with a few SGs, and use mostly Marshall JCM-800 amps...Emo has recently evolved into something more complex since the D.C. era. Bands have adopted to more obscure lyrics along with intricate riffs and interesting vocals.

Emo bands:
Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454[/QUOTE]
YOU SUCK!!!!!! Go away!!!!!!

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this doesnt have to do with the thread, but check out this awesome melodic hardcore band. [url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/bands/10051/[/url]

[QUOTE=IhateUsernames]Cirlce Takes The Square is a good screamo band.

[url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3081&mode=song_hifi[/url]
[url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3085&mode=song_hifi[/url]
[url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3086&mode=song_hifi[/url][/QUOTE]

ya i know, i have their cd :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Gotkookie]ya i know, i have their cd :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Ah yes, you made a thread earlier this week.

Nice job, iHATEgc. (sorry for the late "nice job" but I've been away.)

EDIT: You too, Sk8Ska and BuddyBigsby.

Thank you, I see my copy paste skills are highly praised.

y0uz dA kIngf 0f c0Py pAstE gAnGsta!1!

[size=5]Post-Hardcore[/size]
In the early-to-mid '80s, several bands in the United States came to life that were inspired by the do-it-yourself ethics and the cathartic, guitar-heavy material characterized by the hardcore punk bands that predated them. These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of "loud fast rules." These bands often used more than three chords and they also creatively built and released tension rather than airing their dirty laundry in short, sharp, frenetic bursts. Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with a whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp. Along with Hüsker Dü, Naked Raygun was one of the first U.S. post-punk bands of the early '80s that merged melodic influences with punk/hardcore. These were the first two bands (Husker and Naked Raygun) in 1981. With other bands in the Chicago scene such as the Effigies, Breaking Circus and Man Sized Action followed by later bands such as Fugazi, Quicksand, Dag Nasty and Mission Of Burma. Another important influence on many of these bands was U.K. post-punk from the late '70s and early '80s; Gang of Four, Public Image Limited, Joy Division, and Wire played a significant role in many of the bands' musical growth.

DFelon gone got served.

Hey buddy, are the bands Envy, The Blood Brothers and The Locust considered screamo?

Also, I don't get how Throwdown is hardcore. They have alot more metal and harsh screams then some of those bands under Metalcore.