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Old 06-16-2004, 10:00 PM   #1
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Good, this thread will probably do more good in here than R/M. Less morons and newbs.
 
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I would ask for it to be stickied but I doubt JmE is going to think it's very important, and I'm pretty positive Kithkin won't.
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I didn't realize half those bands are considered Metalcore or Hardcore I always lumped it into one genre because I was too lazy to figure out who went where but you dumbed it down enough for me so thank you.
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Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore. Meaning they're more complex in the musical writings.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza

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Old 06-16-2004, 10:08 PM   #6
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I'm no expert on that so someone add more if needed.
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Old 06-16-2004, 10:08 PM   #7
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I remember you posting this in R&M.

I also remember it getting completely ignored with the exception of BuddyBigsby and I.
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Old 06-16-2004, 10:09 PM   #8
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I don't feel like typing out a definition of screamo, because I know someone's going to ask it in here eventually, so if you want one:

Go to the pop-punk forum.

Search for a thread titeld "REAL screamo"

Voila.
 
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For people's education we should also make a list of all of the professors on the subject who actually know what's going on. That way they won't be getting bogus info from some stupid n00b.
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We should have a thread like the metal forum has stickied, explaining all the genres that fall into this forum.
 
Old 06-16-2004, 10:12 PM   #11
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Grindcore Bands:
Pig Destroyer, Agorphobic Nosebleed, Cock and Ball Torture...

Sk8Ska, could you bold the word Grindcore on yours so people will notice that it's another explaination?
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I don't feel like typing out a definition of screamo, because I know someone's going to ask it in here eventually, so if you want one:

Go to the pop-punk forum.

Search for a thread titeld "REAL screamo"

Voila.
It just so happens that thread was bumped for some reason the other day. here:

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Ok, this is sort of a stupid thing to make a thread about, but it's been getting on my nerves more and more lately as I see the term screamo being thrown around to emo, pop-punk, and emocore bands like Thursday, Thrice, Poison the Well, Alexisonfire, and so on. Screamo is not this. Screamo is a really noisy, chaotic, and ultimately pretty unknown type of music. Some screamo bands are: Neil Perry, Kaospilot (hehe, norwegians), Orchid, Love Lost But Not Forgotten, and Pg. 99. I'm just getting into this form of music, is anyone else here into these bands?
Kaospilot
http://www.novarecordings.de/mp3/kaospilot_a_false_hollywood_promise.mp3

Neil Perry
http://www.novarecordings.de/mp3/neil_perry-split_7inch-white_trash.mp3
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what would you consider the Circle Jerks, then.

i've always considered them hardcore.
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Old 06-16-2004, 10:13 PM   #14
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Old 06-16-2004, 10:13 PM   #15
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Probably "Old Hardcore."
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Grind Bands:
Pig Destroyer, Agorphobic Nosebleed, Cock and Ball Torture...

Sk8Ska, could you bold the word Grindcore on yours so people will notice that it's another explaination?
You can copy paste my thing into the main post so more people read it if you want to. Also makes it easier to read.


Give me a minute and I'll copy paste some stuff off of fourfa.com for emo/emocore/screamo
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Emocore style has become broader over the years. In the beginning, these bands consisted mostly of people who played in hardcore punk bands, got burned out its limited forms, and moved to a guitar-oriented, midtempo rock-based sound with emotional punk vocals (i.e., no posed soulful crooning like pop music). The central aspect here is the guitars - distorted, strummed mostly in duo unison, with occasional catchy riff highlights. This becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound," along with the octave chords that show up in later "emo" music. Later bands bring in more pop elements, like catchy-riff based songs, pop song structures (listen to Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King" to illustrate this), and less-punk, more-smoothly-sung high-register singing (less yelling, straining, throatiness). Listen to Elliot or Chamberlain for an example of how alternative-pop this music has become. Yet those bands are undeniably still emocore. Also note most emocore bands play Gibson Les Paul guitars, with a few SGs, and use mostly Marshall JCM-800 amps.

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Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454
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Emo is one of the most misunderstood genres of all time. Started 1988 post-Minor Threat. One of the most recognizable and universal elements of emo shows up in the guitar sound of this style: the octave chord. The vocal style is usually much more intense than emocore, ranging from normal singing in the quiet parts to a kind of pleading howl to gut-wrenching screams to actual sobbing and crying. Lyrics tend toward somewhat abstract poetry, and are usually low in the mix and hard to decipher.

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Moss Icon, the Hated, Silver Bearings, Native Nod, Merel, Hoover, Current, Indian Summer, Evergreen, Navio Forge, Still Life, Shotmaker, Policy of Three, Clikatat Ikatowi, Maximillian Colby, Sleepytime Trio, Noneleftstanding, Embassy, Ordination of Aaron, Floodgate, Four Hundred Years, Frail, Lincoln, Julia, Shroomunion
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Old 06-16-2004, 10:18 PM   #19
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But that FourFa definition doesn't cover the modern stuff. Might want to elaborate on that.
 
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I'll do it.
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Old 06-16-2004, 10:22 PM   #21
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I think compiling this into one big thread is a good idea.
 
Old 06-16-2004, 10:25 PM   #22
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This needs to be stickied.

Hardcore is such an all spanning genre though, some bands sound like minor threat, some sound like hatebreed.
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Old 06-16-2004, 10:29 PM   #23
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Well, but Minor Threat are old school hardcore (or OG hardcore, as I like to call it), and Hatebreed are metalcore. There really is a difference.
 
Old 06-16-2004, 10:33 PM   #24
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To add to some of the definitions...

For metalcore add that since they're based of metal there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.
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Old 06-16-2004, 10:34 PM   #25
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The line between hardcore and metalcore is pretty blurry in some points.


Terror could go either way.
Cast Aside could go either way.
Hatebreed is metalcore but you could say they are very heavily influenced by hardcore.

etc....
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Old 06-16-2004, 10:40 PM   #26
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Well, Hatebreed are the true definition of metalcore. Unlike other "metalcore" bands (Bleeding Through, As I Lay Dying) which are 99% metal, 1% hardcore. Hatebreed are pretty 50/50. Seriously, listen to a real hardcore band like Blood for Blood or something... how much of that do you hear in BT or AILD? That's right, none.
 
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CORE OVERDOSE! There doesn't need to be so many sub categories. After awhile, it all becomes a private club.
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Then tell the bands to stop being original and making their own sounds, thus starting their own genres.
 
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man. i hate it when bands are creative and make good, original music.
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Then tell the bands to stop being original and making their own sounds, thus starting their own genres.
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