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Ahem. COOOOOOOOOONVERGEEEE!!!.

Im done.

[QUOTE=munk]lol dont get hostile (unless you really are just 14 then ill understand)

my point is, i play guitar (and a few other instruments) and i have grown an appreciation for well done, thought out music. but to the point, my friend is very much into all these "Core" bands, (made me download that am/pm song by her favorite band american nightmare) and i just sat here listening to it like wow, this sucks.

i guess im being hypocritical, i probably would have loved music like this when i was little because its all obnoxious and ****, but i dunno, its not really music and its pretty silly when people compare openly non melodic "noise" to music.

i suggest you guys check out a few bands like Godspeed or Mogwai, Explosions in the sky, Mum, and A silver mount zion, they are whats called "post rock" or "advanced", very melodic, listening to Godspeed and listening to am/pm by american nightmare, the contrast between beauty melody and progressiveness and the blandness and noise of am/pm, is just awe inspiring.[/QUOTE]

I've known about those bands for a while. The only good post-rock that I've heard is Explosions in the Sky and Pelican, and I like some Mogwai. G!YBE and A Silver Mt. Zion just don't do it for me.

SCREAM-O Bands:
A Static Lullaby, Finch, Funeral For A Friend, The Used, Story Of The Year (borderline), Newer From autumn to ashes, thursday, my chemical romance, etc.

I'm just curious, what would you consider the Deftones then? As far as their sound is concerned anyway. I was just wondering.

[QUOTE=munk]lol dont get hostile (unless you really are just 14 then ill understand)

my point is, i play guitar (and a few other instruments) and i have grown an appreciation for well done, thought out music. but to the point, my friend is very much into all these "Core" bands, (made me download that am/pm song by her favorite band american nightmare) and i just sat here listening to it like wow, this sucks.

i guess im being hypocritical, i probably would have loved music like this when i was little because its all obnoxious and ****, but i dunno, its not really music and its pretty silly when people compare openly non melodic "noise" to music.

i suggest you guys check out a few bands like Godspeed or Mogwai, Explosions in the sky, Mum, and A silver mount zion, they are whats called "post rock" or "advanced", very melodic, listening to Godspeed and listening to am/pm by american nightmare, the contrast between beauty melody and progressiveness and the blandness and noise of am/pm, is just awe inspiring.[/QUOTE]

I am 14 and have a very wide range of music - i listen to most of the 'core' bands as descibed in the thread, to mogwai, explosions in the sky, and other melodic post rock, but my taste in music also reaches classical, jazz, pop/rock, and ska. I am sick of constantly being catogorised as an obnoxious teen who only listens to non melodic noise and nu-metal. Sure, I enjoy noise bands (converge, norma jean and the like...) but don't you all think that it is time to stop analysing sub-genres, criticizing people for their music taste, and stereotyping young music fans, and time to start paying attention to what really matters - the musicians, what they stand for, and whether or not the music is what you like?

[b]ATTN: EVERYONE[/B]

[QUOTE=FinchBulldog]SCREAM-O Bands:
A Static Lullaby, Finch, Funeral For A Friend, The Used, Story Of The Year (borderline), Newer From autumn to ashes, thursday, my chemical romance, etc.[/QUOTE]

This is false information this kid just got from MTV, please disregard it.

Just as well, I used to think that the only thing "core" bands had going for them were their drummers, they are some great guys. Now I listen to the music for the pure energy of it. Zao's 5 Year Winter really makes you want to move. On the same line, Symphony In Peril are just as good, they are some talented guys to write the way they do. I just think it's crazy how some of them are even able to go so far as to write songs that just don't have any repeating factor. Almost like a story. It has a beginning and an end, just continuous new riffs, no chorus, no repetition, at least not all the time. Then again, I play guitar, and I like to listen to guitars, all kinds of them. It's just incredible what they do sometimes.

Sorry, just had to post my 2 cents. I've been watchin' for so long that I gave up keepin' quiet.

[QUOTE=FinchBulldog]SCREAM-O Bands:
A Static Lullaby, Finch, Funeral For A Friend, The Used, Story Of The Year (borderline), Newer From autumn to ashes, thursday, my chemical romance, etc.[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: This si the funniest thing I've ever read in my life. :lol: :lol:

This forum is really intresting I never could tell the two metalcore and hardcore apart, but this really helped me understand. Because Im slow and
what would Glassjaw be considered?

GlassJAw kind of have their own thing going on. They have a little bit of emo going on too, but DFelon could better explain this than I.

Older Glassjaw would mix their hardcore and metal influences into something pretty unique. These days they are still making amazing music in my opinion, but they brought a poppier sound into the music and ditched most of their metal influences.

Click here if you would like to hear one of [i]the[/i] best metalcore bands:

The I Collective
[url]http://www.theicollective.com/tic_-_01.mp3[/url]
[url]http://www.theicollective.com/tic_-_02.mp3[/url]

These guys go to/used to go to my school. Unfortunately, they broke up because they're a bunch of drunken idiots.:(

Good band, good live show. The singer would sometimes go out into the middle of the pit and start beating the s[color=white]h[/color]it out of kids in the middle of a song.

Holy crap how do they get that "Wiffa Wiffa Wiffa" sounds like a spinning speaker effect.

Woah they're awesome. Are there names to these tracks?...I'm the kind of nerd who likes to have things organized correctly.

Haha, I've heard of The I Collective before. I didn't know they broke up though, that sucks.

The first songs "Scourge" and the second is "Diane". Diane isn't very good, they have much better songs than that one. I have one of their EP's, I should put it on the computer and send it to you guys.

Bigsby - You probably heard them from me.:)

there seems to be 2 directions of metalcore , 80s metal and grind - and their kinda nowhere near similar enough to put in the same subgenre - on the one hand you have the real rythmically broken up chromatic/****ed up jazz chord based everytime i die/curl up and die style stuff - then on the other side you have the bands like darkest hour/as i lay dying/atreyu style stuff thats basically a punked up version of 80s metal which raspy vocals, lots of shreddy riffs - well theres more to it than that but it kinda rules hard - its basically like the music you had on the last level of old early 90s shooting games (like zero wing, man that game ruled).

Yeah I know, I'm to lazy to fix it.

what bout dead kennedys and suicidal tendencies. are they hardcore then?

Not DK and I haven't listened to ST in over a year so I donno.

why isnt DK hardcore. i was always under the impression that they were...

I thought DK was considered hardcore punk... Minor Threat, Black Flag, Bad Brains etc.

They'e Punk/Punk Rock (what ever floats your boat)

They're really don't have anything in common with hardcore of those days. When you compare bands like Minor Threat and Black Flag to Dead Kennedys you should notice some big differences. Such as the general tone of the amp, the chords played, the style of vocals. Jello really doesn't do any sort of scream.

Also I've herad Jello himself call them punk rock.

Dead Kennedys are a surfcore (hardcore influenced by surf and punk) band and ST are a hardcore/metal band, they switched between those two genres. But, yeah, thyey're both Hardcore bands.

Yeah, there are definately some differences... but for some reason I was always under the impression that they were slumped into that category.

I think of them as a hardcore band that did something really different from everyone else.

thats funny how that 14 year old (will) was the most rational person on this thread, i stand some-what corrected.

[QUOTE=will]Sure, I enjoy noise bands (converge, norma jean and the like...) but don't you all think that it is time to stop analysing sub-genres, criticizing people for their music taste, and stereotyping young music fans, and time to start paying attention to what really matters - the musicians, what they stand for, and whether or not the music is what you like?[/QUOTE]This is why I made this thread, hardcore bands aren't looking to be known as amazing musicians. They are in it for the hardcore scene, playing shows, seeing kids dance their hearts out, engaging in pile ons, etc. They stand for every show they play.

[QUOTE=iHATEgc]This is why I made this thread, hardcore bands aren't looking to be known as amazing musicians. They are in it for the hardcore scene, playing shows, seeing kids dance their hearts out, engaging in pile ons, etc. They stand for every show they play.[/QUOTE]

sounds like something i musta missed out on, but anyway now that iv alienated everyone, i was wondering if you guys would review a song i made, i think it would best be described as 'grindcore'..

dl link

[URL=http://members.aol.com/qish/The_F---_S----SODOMY.wav]the f*** s*** - SODOMY![/URL]

...the name needs work i know

I want my minute and fifteen seconds back.

You need to add Post hardcore/Screamo, I dont really know a good definition of it, but someone here probably does

[QUOTE=Gotkookie]You need to add Post hardcore/Screamo, I dont really know a good definition of it, but someone here probably does[/QUOTE]

seriously, listen to this band

this is what real post hardcore sounds like:

[url]http://listen.to/wpp[/url]

to describe it

very VERY weird sounds coming out of the guitars
fast tempo drums
a combination of yelling and screaming, the vocals are very disorganized and crazy
and some cool melodic breakdowns every here and there

If every form of hardcore is welcome in this thread also New York Hardcore belongs in here.
Some NYHC bands:
Madball, Sick of it All, Agnostic Front, ... Could anyone fill this list up?

[QUOTE=Gotkookie]You need to add Post hardcore/Screamo, I dont really know a good definition of it, but someone here probably does[/QUOTE]

Cirlce Takes The Square is a good screamo band.

[url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3081&mode=song_hifi[/url]
[url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3085&mode=song_hifi[/url]
[url]http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1710&song_id=3086&mode=song_hifi[/url]

[QUOTE=cbmartinez24]Gray Matter is emo?[/QUOTE]

i dont think so, but i am not expert at all this.

[QUOTE=iHATEgc]**Decided to bring this into the Punk Forum. If it turns into a spam/agrument thread then close it as soon as possible. It's meant for education and actual discussion.

This is for those of you who throw around the the phrase hardcore far too often.

Metalcore is often mistaken for Hardcore on these boards. Here's the difference.

Hardcore is punk influenced music that sometimes has a heavier sound and sometime's doesn't. It sometimes have breakdowns and some don't, this depends more on the age of the band. Some are straight edge, some aren't. But most have honest sincere lyrics about issues that they themselves face.

Metalcore is obviously metal influenced and because they're of this there is more complexity in the writings of guitar, more noted riffs added to it than hardcore has.. Some say that it has punk influences...but that depends on what band you are talking about. Metalcore has a lot of breakdowns, most of which have the "JUN JUN JUN" sound which some double bass. Metalcore was a lot better a couple years ago before more and more band's started learning that you can tune into drop-C, use only thin picks, and get a drummer who knows his double bass.

Hardcore bands:
American Nightmare, Black Flag, Comeback Kid, Floorpunch, Ten Yard Fight, No Innocent Victim, Dodgin Bullets, With Honor, Gorilla Biscuits, Mouthpiece, Sworn Enemy, Sworn In, Over My Dead Body, Minor Threat, Mental, My Luck, The Promise, Throwdown, Stretch Arm Strong, Terror, Until The End, What Feeds The Fire, Some Kind Of Hate, Champion, Count Me Out, Without Warning, Most Precious Blood, Modern Life Is war, Scrotum Grinder, No Warning...

Metalcore bands:
On Broken Wings, Scarlet, Every Time I Die, This Day Forward, The Bled, Scars Of Tomorrow, Love Is Red, Cataract, Bleeding Through, Norma Jean, Nora, As I Lay Dying, Beauty To Ashes, Thirty Called Arson, Unearth, With Resistance, Botch, Underoath, Himsa, Evelynn, Darkest Hour, Atreyu, It Dies Today...

[B]MORE[/B]

Grindcore in its purest form consisted of short, apocalyptic blasts of noise played on standard heavy metal instrumentation (distorted guitar, bass, drums). Although grindcore wasn't just randomly improvised, it certainly didn't follow conventional structure, either; while riffs could sometimes be picked out, pure grindcore never featured verses, choruses, or even melodies. Grindcore vocals sounded torturous, ranging from high-pitched shrieks to low, throat-shredding growls and barks; although the lyrics were usually quite verbose, they were very rarely intelligible. Some bands in this catagory can also be known as Mathcore. Meaning they're more complex in the musical writings.

Grindcore bands:
Napalm Death, Dillinger Escape Plan, Death, Carcass, The Locust, The Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, Cock and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed...

Emo style has become broader over the years. In the beginning, these bands consisted mostly of people who played in hardcore punk bands, got burned out its limited forms, and moved to a guitar-oriented, midtempo rock-based sound with emotional punk vocals (i.e., no posed soulful crooning like pop music). The central aspect here is the guitars - distorted, strummed mostly in duo unison, with occasional catchy riff highlights. This becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound," along with the octave chords that show up in later "emo" music. Later bands bring in more pop elements, like catchy-riff based songs, pop song structures (listen to Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King" to illustrate this), and less-punk, more-smoothly-sung high-register singing (less yelling, straining, throatiness). Listen to Elliot or Chamberlain for an example of how alternative-pop this music has become. Yet those bands are undeniably still emocore. Also note most emo bands play Gibson Les Paul guitars, with a few SGs, and use mostly Marshall JCM-800 amps...Emo has recently evolved into something more complex since the D.C. era. Bands have adopted to more obscure lyrics along with intricate riffs and interesting vocals.

Emo bands:
Rites of Spring, Embrace, Gray Matter, Ignition, Dag Nasty, Monsula, Fugazi kind of, Fuel, Samiam, Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music, Elliot, Friction, Soulside, early Lifetime, Split Lip/Chamberlain, Kerosene 454[/QUOTE]
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