I'm sure this will yield nothing but spirited, insightful, and mature commentary

Uh oh - this a no bueno

Can't believe this guy was in our staff list

Wait, I thought this was already known for years

Not really surprised.

Wait, I thought this was already known for years [2]

"Marilyn Manson he's not cool,
Marilyn Manson went to Matt Hoopes' school.
Marilyn Manson he's not nice,
Marilyn Manson shows are overpriced."
- Relient K

me and the boys on our way to 1 his entire discography

lmao I just realized Caliggy's avatar is a Marilyn Manson album

oh and fuck marilyn manson, duh

To the surprise of literally no one.
I don’t even keep up with celebrity news and even I knew this shit.

Why am I not surprised...

So it’s official now. Considering his book was mostly a collection of him and his bandmates doing weird shit to female fans it’s no surprise that him and Twiggy were outed as sex predators.

no one is surprised lol

He done!

But Mechanical Animals is really good

IDC love his music

why

I get "separate artist from art" but his art is basically a depiction of what he's being accused of.

Did anyone really think Marilyn Manson was a normal guy?

no who shaves their eyebrows

shitty musician and shitty person all around. send him to the gulag

is this story new? Could swear I read about allegations from her a while back. Regardless, it's been pretty clear this guy is scum even way before this came out. I don't remember who it was but some of the previous allegations made against him are horrifying

@Colton She never outright named him as her abuser until now. Before this she just said she was in an abusive relationship and the timeframe matched up with her relationship with Manson at the time so everyone connected the dots.

Ay, I never listened to an entire MM song and I get to feel smug about it now.

He was good in Bowling For Columbine though.

That's kinda low key impressive - 20+ years on earth without ever hearding a MM song. Lucky boy.

Can’t say I’ve heard one either

wasn't evan rachel wood the one who pioneered the #metoo movement? if this news isn't at least four years old i'll be really surprised

there's more accusations im pre sure

Wasn't Wood an adult when she met and started dating Manson? How was there grooming?

This has been known

'Wasn't Wood an adult when she met and started dating Manson? How was there grooming?'

is this the semantics you're homing in on

It's not really semantics if you're constantly shifting the goalpost for when a person has sexual agency and consent.

Dude should absolutely be held accountable for abusive behaviour, but that's different from implying that the abuse stems from her not having agency in this situation.

lmao right ?! @obviously at zelen

plus 19 year old / famous as fuck 37 year old

also 'Manson told an interviewer in 2009: “I have fantasies every day about smashing her skull in with a sledgehammer”, and said he had self-harmed following the breakup. They reconciled, got engaged in 2010, and split again later that year.'

> constantly shifting the goalposts

> rape accusations

shrug

'Four other women – Ashley Walters, Sarah McNeilly, Ashley Morgan and Gabriella (with no surname given) – have also alleged abusive behaviour via public Instagram posts. McNeilly and Walters allege physical and emotional abuse, including behaviour they characterise as torture; Morgan alleges sexual and physical violence, and coercion; Gabriella alleges rape, physical violence and that Manson forced her to take drugs.'

for the new shit - so many goalposts for u sitar

'Manson told an interviewer in 2009: “I have fantasies every day about smashing her skull in with a sledgehammer”, and said he had self-harmed following the breakup. They reconciled, got engaged in 2010, and split again later that year.'


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"is this story new? Could swear I read about allegations from her a while back"

She had spoken about abuse previously (at least back in 2018), but never named her abuser.. it was widely speculated (correctly) that it was Manson.

Not really surprised by this

[2]

Not surprised [6]

Omg we have all condoned this by being silent about it for years, least we can do now is 1 all his albums

"Omg we have all condoned this by being silent about it for years, least we can do now is 1 all his albums"

Rape is cancelled

"Can't believe this guy was in our staff list" [2]

"Dude should absolutely be held accountable for abusive behaviour, but that's different from implying that the abuse stems from her not having agency in this situation."

bro i didn't even have agency to create the username and password for my own FAFSA account at 19 and you expect her to just walk away from fucking a total sociopath??

"bro i didn't even have agency to create the username and password for my own FAFSA account at 19"

You didn't have to get that real dude I'm having flashbacks now

snake [2]

SitarHero proving himself once again as worst contributor

Always a pretentious cunt, these horrible things match his stupid look and downright awful music. Rot in hell

I just can't believe the Rams would trade Goff and 1st-rounders for Stafford... What a bold move! Excited for the new personnel in Detroit tho, it's a brand new day.

rams are literally not gonna have a team in three years lmao

49er's fans on suicide watch with the new signups

"manipulated into submission" so basically he was Marilyn Manson and I let him have his way with me. But before we got engaged in 2010 or w/e.

yo I have a zoom class, this better not be a fuckpit when I get back, ya hear?

don't hold your breath

“so basically he was Marilyn Manson“
see, that’s the problem

your prof isn't gonna know you're reading this thread if it's a zoom class

Rose McGowan in her autobiography : "Manson patched me back together after the assault" (by Harvey Weinstein in 1997)

People are complex

Shame, my impression was that he was weird but smart and well-spoken.

obligatory manson's been well known as an overall shithead for years now so this finally coming out now is far from a surprise.

One thing to be a shithead and another to be an accused rapist

I thought the music was bad without the allegations

I am beyond shocked that a drug addicted rock star whose into S&M has had abusive relationships.

guess what, it wasn’t even a real class, I misread the schedule

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anyway, fuck Maryland Mansion

“Not really surprised.” [x2]

Dude always came across as a prick

he always came off as a Nazgûl

"People are complex"
People are manipulative

This dude had allegations made of him every other week lol

imagine passing this Nazgûl on the street and thinking to yourself “wow, people are so complex 🙂”

I demand that caliggyjack change his profile picture to someone who isnt a rapist. He needs to stop condoning this. This should be his next scandal after the reddit thing.

"bro i didn't even have agency to create the username and password for my own FAFSA account at 19 and you expect her to just walk away from fucking a total sociopath??"

Grooming has a pretty specific connotation related to pedophilia. While Manson should absolutely be held accountable for his physical and mental abuse of Wood and the other people who have also made allegations, comparing the sexual contact of an ageing and irrelevant "rockstar" with a young and successful actress who was an adult to pedophilia is rather strange to me. It infantilises her and creates the impression that 19 year olds are not capable of making choices of their own.

Honestly I've been thinking of changing it but I've been so lazy and I don't know how to match what I already got.

The Pale Emperor and Big Sean's Black Album worked well as a Yin and Yang thing and IDK how to make something to that effect

Or I might just use my old album covers... but that seems boring.

god damn thats one bad take sitar

"god damn thats one bad take sitar"

Which part?

imagine reading her statement and thinking "hmm what part of this can I take issue with? in what small way can I put the victim in the wrong?"

^ that part

but also the implication that anyone is seeing grooming and thinking 'oh marilyn was a paedo' - she was 19, he was a super famous 37yo. you yanks cant even drink until 21

god damn that’s one bad take sitar [2]

Also fuck him for doing this shit to people.

Like Dave Chappelle once said, we need to decide how old 19 really is.

Okay then let me try and be clearer. I'm not blaming her for his actions nor trying to insinuate that she was in any way complicit in her own abuse.

However, the accusation of grooming strikes me as strange given that the word has a fairly specific meaning which doesn't apply to their relationship, nor, in my opinion, should it.

honestly the semantics behind the concrete definition of "grooming" is nothing more than a red herring because abuse is still fucking abuse and there was an 18 year difference between them which gives manson a significantly higher capability of manipulation

don't you find it weird that you read a statement about someone being abused and your first and only thought is to focus in on the one thing you can take issue with the victim for?

I find it weird that you think someone can only have a single thought about something.

it was the only thing you said... "Wasn't Wood an adult when she met and started dating Manson? How was there grooming?"

Yes, because though I believe and support everything else she said about Manson's abuse, as I've stated multiple times, that particular part of her carefully worded statement sounded strange to me, so I voiced my thoughts about that.

in the future you should maybe not

Not surprised.

My brother worked at a venue where his father would routinely come to shows high and with hookers in tow.

One show a woman and her underage daughter (prob. between 15-17) asking for her own daughter to lose her virginity to Manson. She and her daughter were escorted backstage before the show. Who knows what ended up happening.

Take verything I saw with a grain of salt, but from my few interactions with those who directly dealt with Manson, none of this is surprising. He's a very mentally fucked up individual who's most likely done at the very least some very questionable things in his life.

@sitar nobody is saying you think she's lying but when you immediately hone in on the one part of her statement you take issue with it really makes it look like you're trying to discredit her. just fyi

He done!

But Mechanical Animals is really good [2]

In my own personal anecdote, I knew a kid who's dad was pre famous and pals w manson and manson was the kids idol

n the kid was a cunt so

I'm with Sitar on this one.

very brave of you bro take that stand against semantics

“She said an unnamed abuser, who she met in her late teens, made “threats against my life, sometimes with deadly weapons” amid alleged domestic abuse in which he also tortured and starved her, surveilled her phone usage and threatened her with blackmail.”

But she used the word grooming in a context that isn’t technically legally accurate so let’s only focus on that

Isn't these news like 20 years late

When the "semantics" allege that you were taken advantage of as a child, there's a whole world of different crime and context to account for.

Someone who dresses like he does on stage had to be hiding something

So Sitar’s first response is to place blame on Evan for her wording, making the discussion about him and his pedantic arguments, and gschwen’s first response is to role play as Manson’s lawyer. Good to know

Well Sitar sucks so

"So Sitar’s first response is to place blame on Evan for her wording, making the discussion about him and his pedantic arguments"

Lolwut?

There are plenty of first takes in thread. Why don't you compose of a list of everyone who wasn't immediately unquestionably outraged by this news and mail it to your senator?

agreed gschwen if someone's first take when they found out marilyn manson has been accused of rape, physical and emotional abuse, torture, and most importantly grooming, by multiple people, they are equally as fickle as sitar

no someone is a cool user

yeah agreed love that guy

I actually never knew of this shit before, but also, the fact that apparently this is common knowledge, on top of that 4.7 rev last year for his 2020 release is a jarring one

"Marilyn Manson he's not cool,
Marilyn Manson went to Matt Hoopes' school.
Marilyn Manson he's not nice,
Marilyn Manson shows are overpriced."
- Relient K

the most christian rock lyrics ever.

wusSUP, this is thiessen, you can go ahead and leave a message after th- *beeeep*

“hey thiessen, this is toby. look man, a song about Marilyn Manson will never, EVER be on a CD put out by Goatee Records. Period.”

*queue song about Marilyn Manson*

truly mad lads

“Grooming-infantilises her and creates the impression that 19 year olds are not capable of making choices of their own.”

Well when I saw the statement about grooming I also assumed she was underage but even finding out she wasn’t, the grooming can refer to him using his position could be seen as predatory too right? Ugh either way he’s an asshole fuck that guy

Oh no all 3 of the decent songs he's made in his entire career are ruined for me now :'(

I can only hope this finally puts an end to the sad spectacle that is Marilyn Manson in the 21st century

Maryland Mansion, Witch King of Angmar: Fool, no man can kill me. Die.

Evan Rachel Wood: I am no man!

oh no, my idol Marilyn Manson

I even removed several ribs to be just like him :-(

in hindsight, my tattoo was a bad idea

https://imgur.com/a/nK9UHLK

lmao ouch

a tattoo of a man with tattoos

now I should tattoo that image to my arm

very meta

I have a tattoo of the word tattoo.

a tattoo of a man with tattoos

The man is killing us man.

I have a tattoo of Rodrigo

Gulag [2]

"honestly the semantics behind the concrete definition of "grooming" is nothing more than a red herring because abuse is still fucking abuse"

This.

As someone who was in a mentally abusive (Though IDK if I should consider it abuse it was really tame compared to the actual abuse people go through) relationship for a time I can say "grooming" isn't always about age. The abusers will take their time to mold you into their psychological slave no matter how old or young you are. They will beat you down with comments and actions but twist it around to make it seem like it's your fault. People like this maintain their relationships because they can sound convincing. I can't imagine how many times I said to myself "it's not her fault I'm just [blank]" only to be verbally attacked again when I do exactly what she wanted. It doesn't help when you begin to understand the abuse either. All you end up doing is convincing yourself you can "fix" said abuser, that it'll all work out in the end, but that's what they want you to think. Then they sit there and cry that "I'll change I swear" or "I didn't really mean it" or they'll feign regret of their actions to maintain their hold on you. Suddenly your mind begins to imagine yourself as a burden and the abuser as the victim and it all just gets worse and worse and worse until finally you have to say enough and leave, even if you don't want to.

I guarantee you Wood knew what Manson was doing to her; knew that, logically, she could leave whenever she wanted; knew she was old enough to make her own decisions. But the mind doesn't work like that, your body screams to leave, but your mind and heart are coming up with 50 other bullshit reasons for you to stay. It's brainwashing, plain and simple. Wood has the physical capability to escape, but mentally, Manson (most likely) had her in a prison of her own self doubt.

gulag [3]

even if she wasn't legally underage, she was still a teenager and dude was pushing 40. it's not like she gained access to the fountain of wisdom in the 2 years since she legally became an adult

"there was an 18 year difference between them which gives manson a significantly higher capability of manipulation"

I love how you basically put her into a box of the "young dumb naive stereotypical girl" like her brain isn't fully developed enough to play mind checkers with the evil Manson.

@noler uh oh, you may regret that one soon as well. he has a scandal of his own thats bound to come up and get him cancelled sometime.

"of course. At one point I said "You know what? fuck her, fuck her and all the retarded Mexicans, I hope the country is destroyed by some natural catastrophe", and now this earthquake. I'm not sure If now I'm satisfied, but I feel bad for the rest of the Mexican population. So I think I learnt a pretty important lesson, be careful about you wishes, it might come true."

"I love how you basically put her into a box of the "young dumb naive stereotypical girl" like her brain isn't fully developed enough to play mind checkers with the evil Manson"

You can't honestly believe shit is as simple as that can you?

no one's brain is fully developed at 19 lol

I think people are giving Manson too much credit

lmao SitarHero really came into this thread like "damn why they keep moving the goalposts, how am i meant to know how old they can be before i can rape them now?"

"I love how you basically put her into a box of the "young dumb naive stereotypical girl" like her brain isn't fully developed enough to play mind checkers with the evil Manson."

are you trolling or is your reading comprehension really that fucked?

innit thats just a completely fucking jarring take

I need some girls to come out and say they fucked him just because he's a "rock star"

smh

smh... the horrific abuse had to be after they were engaged.

Hot take, celebrity musicians dating their fans is basically always grooming regardless of what the age difference is. Can't be on equal footing with someone who has a poster of you in their bedroom

"I think people are giving Manson too much credit"

IDK whether the allegations are true or not and honestly I'm not going to take sides solely based on accusations, all I am trying to say is that things are not black and white when it comes to abuse.

It's not about playing 4D-chess, it's about knowing how to tug at a person's heartstrings and make em dance on command. We are an extremely sensitive and susceptible species and this idea that as soon as we become an adult we can suddenly make logical and sound decisions is absurd. Adults aren't some peak of human efficiency equipped with the wisdom of Solomon, we're just older.

"IDK whether the allegations are true or not and honestly I'm not going to take sides solely based on accusations"

This is not a caveat you need to make my guy he's literally admitted to a bunch of this shit in interviews

2 based takes from komps

@Kompy I'm sorry I didn't want to talk about the allegations themselves, I just wanted to explain why people stay in abusive relationships.

Imma bow out now

Probably but Jack makes an excellent point and I’m sorry to hear he went through that, I’ve been there too. Sometimes it really doesn’t matter how big the signs are. It can be immensely obvious. But you can definitely dilute yourself into staying, even with full awareness of the problem at hand. Regular concepts of conventional logic might cease to apply, it truly does warp how the brain works and you start inventing reasons to stick around or pretend it’s not really that bad. I was young like these his victims were at the time and I like to think I’d be prepared and handle it better now but honestly maybe I wouldn’t. I’m sorry these girls had to go through all this trauma and I hope they get their justice.

didnt realize eyeswideshut was an idiot glad to have threads like these to expose the stupid people you shouldn't be associating with

Fuck Brian Warner. Trent Reznor in 2009 nailed it.

"As far as Manson goes, during the Spiral tour we propped them up to get our audience turned on to them and at that time a lot of the people in my circle were pretty far down the road as alcoholics. Not Manson. His drive for success and self-preservation was so high, he pretended to be fucked up a lot when he wasn't. He resented when he was up in the morning and wanted to work. Things got shitty between us and I'm not blameless. The majority of it though was coming from a resentment guy who finally got out from under the master's umbrella and was able to stab him in the back. He is a malicious guy and will step on anyone's face to succeed and cross any line of decency.

Seeing him now, drugs and alcohol now rule his life and he's become a dopey clown. He used to be the smartest guy in the room. Getting high deprives you of your creativity and, as a fan of his talents, I hope he gets his shit together."

Get his ass trent

It’s been well known for a long time that this guy is a garbage human

That said I get where sitar’s coming from the statement caused me assume she was underage when they started dating which would have added an additional layer of scum to the accusation

I mean his name is eyes wide shut, he’s clearly not very woke. It’s literally in his name.

if it’s a 20 year difference she’s allowed to say he was grooming her Jesus christ

like holy shit, just admit the guy is a scumbag and leave it at that. Not very difficult.

If I didn’t bother reading the thread I would have walked away from the article assuming he was a pedophile on top of being abuser, that’s all I’m saying

“Grooming has a pretty specific connotation related to pedophilia. While Manson should absolutely be held accountable for his physical and mental abuse of Wood and the other people who have also made allegations, comparing the sexual contact of an ageing and irrelevant "rockstar" with a young and successful actress who was an adult to pedophilia is rather strange to me. It infantilises her and creates the impression that 19 year olds are not capable of making choices of their own.“

Christ dude, it probably means he was talking to her before she was 18 and then they started “officially dating” when she turned 18. Do djent fans lack awareness about context clues or what’s going on here

https://lostmediawiki.com/Groupie_(partially_found_Marilyn_Manson_short_film;_1996-1998)

he shouldn’t have dressed like that if he didn’t want the exorcist called

Manson got dropped from his label

the exorcism worked

1999 america rejoices

and rural america weeps

lol

05 fuck em

Marilyn is a good old boy. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

Alright Sputnik watchlist updated to include:
SitarHero
gschwen
EyesWideShut

Am I missing anyone?

is this important or can i skip over it

you can watch me whip

tl;dr manson prob a weirdo abuser manipulator, surprise surprise. so nah you can skip

now watch me nae nae

put me on it porc

dear federal agents,
all my posts are serious
and i am a threat to society

thnks zaru

now watch me whip, whip

don't nae nae or i will

go beyond my legal jurisdiction and murder you

now watch me nae nae

LeddSledd you're going on a different watchlist but that's just the list of people I like to watch walk away naw'what'im'saying

move bitch get out the way

-trent reznor, 1994

hate to see you go but love to watch you leave 😤😫😤

^^^

oh my, porc 😳😳😳

“It’s getting hot in herre, so take off all your clothes” - porcupinetheater, right now

Based Trent let’s all listen to starfuckers

*hot in herre

ftfy

ty.

Yeah put on Trent and kick this predatory fuck to the curb, and then kick him many many more times while he’s in the curb

agreed

Returning to thread to ask that we pick someone else other than Trent.

Please...

For the love of God please...

No more Ghosts... I can't take much more

The watch me nae nae guy apparently murdered his cousin, timely mention of him itt

for a second i thought you meant marilyn mansons cousin

that truly would have boggled the mind

Crossover of the century material yea unfortunately not

RIP

(now watch me nae nae)

Marilyn Manson died of ligma

Submit news article

what’s ligma

Who's gonna tell him

👀

"05 fuck em"

What'd I do?

definitely gonna rock my manson shirt tomorrow

Watch me RIP, now watch me nae nae

(Kill it!)
(Okay!)
(Want me to do it?)

Silento’s ad-libs have been warning us

"Now watch me bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop"

these are clearly the onomatopoeia of gunshots. he's been planning this for years

Confirmed what we always knew, Big Shaq is the true inspirational, wholesome paragon of gunomatopoeia

POP POP KA KA KA

I don't give a flying fuck about Manson or his music, but I need substantial evidence from either side before even thinking about taking a stance on this.

Like there isn’t substantial evidence here corroborated by years of testimonials from different women. But thank you for chipping in with your objective standpoint not tainted by Marilyn Manson fandom you fucking warrior.

All these people that are so keen on justice for predators never seem to want to afford women the same

Im wondering what paris hilton has to say about this. Nevertheless, fuck this dude if it's true and I will now continue to not pay any attention to him

show me on the bear exactly what he did - asking for a friend

"I don't give a flying fuck about Manson or his music, but I need substantial evidence from either side before even thinking about taking a stance on this."

You can have a substantial percentage of my ass in your mouth instead

Quick everybody send all the evidence to his honour rockarollacola so that he can crack the mallet on this case STAT

"plus 19 year old / famous as fuck 37 year old"

The abuse allegations aside, are you supposed to only date other super famous people when you are famous because there will always be a power dynamic when you are at a level of stardom like Marilyn Manson is. I never understood that point. As for the age difference: That only seems to matter once allegations such as this come to light. Leonardo DiCaprio fucks a thousand 18 year olds every year and no one gives a fiddlers fuck. Focus on the shit that actually matters, the abuse.

she testified before a subcommittee of congress and the california senate to help further legislation to protect victims of domestic abuse, which seems like a long way to go just for a grift that didn't actually benefit her at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cobhBZmiihU

DiCaprio's gross too.
And the only people putting aside the abuse to focus on that particular detail are the Devil's Advocate morons like Sitar saying "of course I sympathize with the victims" before immediately launching into a pedantic argument trying to poke holes through everything the victims are saying

Tbh I've never understood the appeal of this guy's music, especially when there's so much better industrial out there. I tried to listen to Antichrist Superstar and Holy Wood, and they both bored the shit out of me

"DiCaprio's gross too.
And the only people putting aside the abuse to focus on that particular detail are the Devil's Advocate morons saying "of course I sympathize with the victims" before immediately launching into a pedantic argument trying to poke holes through everything the victims are saying"

What I am saying is, is that the abuse is horrible enough. You don't have to make up shit. There is no grooming to be found here, end of story.

ruh roh

Hey buddy how about you focus on the psychotic abusive rapist instead of nitpicking how Evan Rachel Wood could portray herself as a better victim up to your personal standards for fuck's sake

"The abuse allegations aside, are you supposed to only date other super famous people when you are famous because there will always be a power dynamic when you are at a level of stardom like Marilyn Manson is"

I kind of, uh, agree with this point even if I think that Manson is a monstrous shithead

People itt keep saying stuff like "this is terrible if it's true" bitch there IS NO "IF" MANSON LITERALLY FUCKING COPPED TO DOING MOST OF THIS SHIT

God damn how much evidence do you people need before you can just call a shitstain a shitstain

I definitely wouldn't trust someone who has an album literally titled Smells Like Children

I'ma go out on a limb and be controversial for a sec hang on

If you're fucking pushing 40 you shouldn't be sleeping with teenagers.

Whew glad I got that off my chest

The problem is that if not addressed, these details muddy the waters and make it possible for actual assholes to attempt to delegitimize stories like this. If we only could have honest discourse about stories such as these, we might not have this problem, buddy. Me addressing that here does no harm at all, so don't virtue signal.

you can still be groomed at 19, idk what to tell ya and that's missing the point

woah porc slow down, that take's a bit hot to handle

also, lol

https://i.insider.com/5c8929cadd086120820a26b2?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

i was just looking at that chart too lol.

This idiotic clown has been cosplaying the part of a sadistic weirdo for so long he actually fucked up and turned himself into a monster. Fuck em. Give the man a bottle and a razor and maybe he’ll do something good for once

And who are you signalling to, Reefa, Evan Rachel Wood? There's absolutely a massive age gap and power dynamic difference between Manson and Wood, and he exploited that with her and other people. Wood acknowledging that fact is to highlight a pattern of behavior and expose it in the hopes that he might be forced to stop cycling that pattern, so if you want to talk about the potential pros and cons of her calling what he did grooming I think the fucking pros take this one in a landslide

"If you're fucking pushing 40 you shouldn't be sleeping with teenagers."

That might be your opinion on the matter and I sympathize with that opinion but a 40 year old having consensual sex with an 18 year old is perfectly legal I am afraid.

"you can still be groomed at 19"

As per definition you can not. So that is just wrong.

DiCaprio is the real life McConaughey character from Dazed and Confused

That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age

Get bent, Reefa, nobody's arguing the legality, fucked up as that is. People use that tenuously legal status to perpetuate abuse and this is a fucking textbook case. Sorry she missed the complicated nuance of terms you disagree with to describe a very real pattern of behavior in what was certainly a terrifying and emotional moment. You're doing the Lord's work

u can still b vulnerable as hell at 19 my dude and law =/= ethical conduct

Its not illegal to jerk off a dog here i guess I'm ok with that too

Reef really stepping in to fill Gyro's shoes as sput's resident "guy who refuses to ever just take the fucking L"

Where's my cat

Again with the virtue signaling. I'm proud of you, pork, you truly are the moral guardian of sputnik. I wasn't addressing her specifically. I was responding to another user because the overall discourse online on topics like this bothers me and it does more harm than good in my opinion. You might think otherwise but that's no reason to get snarky. As for the legality concerning the age gap: If that bothers you, then you might want to get into politics and try to change the law. I don't know what to tell you. Is it the age of consent that needs to be raised or should there there be a maximum age difference? Anyway, you are clearly getting emotional and I have no intention in further dealing with your ad hominem so with that I'm out.

nobody should be allowed to sex ever

he abused the shit out of her too ya know

imagine having empathy wtf

maybe we’d be less weirded out by their precious daddy daughter relationship if he didn’t, ya know, abuse the shit out of her

This has been known for years, hasn't it?

No you see no one explicitly said it was Manson who did all this stuff before, it was just several women he had notably been involved with repeatedly talking about being caught up in a horrifying abusive relationship with a high-profile musician at the same time they were with Manson, but they didn't name names so who knows who the famous person who was abusing them at the same time they were dating Marilyn Manson really was?

No way of connecting the dots there, no sir, we definitely aren't trying to milk the last few drops from this former cash cow who should have been blackballed from the entire industry years if not decades ago, I'm sure the fact that he's almost pure liability at this point won't bite us in the ass

Lol jesus so much drama in here over the use of the word "grooming." TECHNICALLY sitar is right, that term is used to describe a child being set up for abuse and at 19 you are not technically a child. However I do agree with everyone else saying that you can basically be groomed in any situation with a fucked up power dynamic, age is irrelevant. If one person has an insane amount of influence in a relationship where the other person has almost none, this kind of ugly shit can happen and the term fits, despite the definition not really extending to situations that don't include kids. It probably should. You guys got way too bent out of shape at sitar for just trying to establish correct use of a word as it is defined, like holy shit lmao. Dude isn't victim blaming.

Anyway, least surprising accusation I have ever seen.

Because I'm sure they would have made their relationship status public before she was of legal age. Just because she was publicly dating him when she was 19 does not mean they met when she was 19. She has never specified what age she was when she met him. So you are ~assuming~ she is misusing the term "grooming", which makes the aggressively pedantic assertions and defenses that he DID NOT GROOM HER all the more arbitrary and sus. You don't even know that he didn't, so it's weird that your primary focus is still defending Manson from this one thing lmao.

Actually now finding articles saying they started dating when she was 18 which makes it even more likely that he could have ~literally~ groomed her

"so it's weird that your primary focus is still defending Manson"

Being overeager to bring out the pitchforks makes people say dumb shit like this. Who the fuck is defending manson? Manson can get fucked. I'm defending correct use of a word used lmao, AND I went as far as to say that the word's definition should be expanded to include situations beyond the involvement of children, like this one. And the only reason I'm focused on it is because you guys made such a huuuuge fucking deal out of it, it's literally like half the thread talking about this word, of course someone reading through would comment on it lol. And if she got involved with him at a younger age and the word was used accurately then hey that's good and all, but that's not the information we have on hand so making people out to be bad guys for not just assuming that to be the case is dumb.

I don't think Pots was responding to you specifically.

But the people who have been making a huge issue out of it are the devil's advocate people who've been trying to derail this conversation all over the place and insist on bringing it up OVER and OVER again. Some fascination with nitpicking rhetorical flaws in Wood's testimony for whatever lunatic reason

Durrzo the dictionary definition of grooming is not going to give you a blowjob so you can stop white-knighting for it like it will

Was responding to everyone in general nitpicking the term "grooming" just to be that guy

"that's not the information we have on hand so making people out to be bad guys for not just assuming that to be the case is dumb."

Exactly, you don't have the information here to say if she was ~literally groomed~ one way or another, so using it as a point of contention amongst the information that IS here is super fucking dumb and kind of implies a certain agenda, whether that is the intention or not.

Ah damn, another artist we can't listen to anymore

never liked this guy, this is just the icing on the cake : )

Anybody ever read Foucault's Pendulum? Great book but I feel like Umberto likes to sniff his own farts sometimes.

What a fucking suprise (Not).

Sucks to be a Manson fan I guess

damn there have been a lot of big text posts since zaru's last tldr
can i get an updated tldr

imagine my shock

bet some of y'all are smelly af irl

basically budgie, what's the deal with grooming ?!?!

is grooming like
you talk to a 10 year old for 8 years then plungify her




cause thats pretty much not cool and i dont like the thing of it

no no no!!! (well yes, also that)

oh budgie, you've just given the weirdos itt life again

plungify is a cool new word that I just learned hell yeah

"If that bothers you, then you might want to get into politics and try to change the law."

how the fuck is this a response to moral criticism lmao

this dude

lmao what a knob

anyway lower the age of consent to 14 please thanks

wheRE weRE the paREnts!?

Kids grow up so fast these days we can all agree on that. Doesn't matter what you believe, we all know kids grow up too fast. That's why we need to lower the age of consent to 14.

Kids used to start working at 12 dude. What are you saying?

shit should still be that way... I might have actually made something of myself by now

he was joking triple D

"how the fuck is this a response to moral criticism lmao

this dude"

Because laws are in large part derived from societies morals. Obviously there's no huge public outcry about age gaps in relationships and that is because society, at large, is ok with such age gaps as long as both parties are of age.

hold the phone one second, are you suggesting

that we live in a society

you're a dumb dumb putting that much faith in the morals of law

"you're a dumb dumb putting that much faith in the morals of law"

I wouldn't expect you to understand anything about the relationship between societies moral position and the law, shithead

my law degree proves worthless yet again

Obviously it does. Do you believe in the age of consent? Do you believe it to be too low? What's your position here?

my position is that putting that much faith in legal definitions of things is dumb dumb like u

u dumb dumb

"he was joking triple D" oh shit, sorry

You're taking a huge leap from "laws are reflective of the overall morals of the electorate" to "well laws are now our moral system".

lmao nice backtracking. You got your law degree on craigslist

someone overhead has already explained how unbalanced hugely exploitable power dynamics are heavily correlated but *rolls eyes* not identical to large age gaps in a relationship, especially when one party is a successful rockstar, why is this still being discussed actually nvm i wanna see generalisations about s o c i e t y vs phero's waste paper bin law degree alright off u go

gameofmetal [2]

johnny [2]

craigslist [2]

"You're taking a huge leap from "laws are reflective of the overall morals of the electorate" to "well laws are now our moral system"."

I literally didn't though. If there's a discrepancy between the moral consensus of society and the law, we typically try to elect lawmakers into positions of power who will enact different laws. I'm saying that's what he should strive for then.

The reality is that people have different systems of morals, most of which are internally inconsistent and incoherent but nonetheless how they view the world. In US elections all it takes is a little over half an electorate (not a whole populace) to elect someone. Idk why you think we have to solely appeal to law and if we don't like a law then we have to just shut the fuck up and hope we can eventually elect people that change said law, why the fuck can't we do that and also be outraged at shit that we can determine is bad logically?

Be outraged. You have my blessing. Not that you need it.

sputnik lies in flames and reefajones, patron st of very badass long dogschlongs, sleeps soundly once again. society breathes out contentedly and its shiny shiny status quo boots are looking especially squeakylick clean praise the lord

I was hoping for a closer from porcupine. I do think he is quite talented with words.

Am I a horrible being if I say that I hope he continues to release new music? I hope he does another album with Shooter Jennings to see where their collaboration can go next.

your only good take ever, reef

I have my moments, ya know

guys got terrible music and obviously a complete scumbag to boot, what else is new

Is anyone really surprised though?

"Am I a horrible being if I say that I hope he continues to release new music? I hope he does another album with Shooter Jennings to see where their collaboration can go next."

No, you're not.

You guys are dorks

For some reason it's very important for us dorks to say that we are not surprised by these news. I'm not entirely sure why.

Idk, but I'm not surprised tbh

"For some reason it's very important for us dorks to say that we are not surprised by these news. I'm not entirely sure why."

Manson's abuse has been speculated on for a while. When ERW testified in court about sexual assault from an ex a few years ago, people started suspecting it was MM due to their relationship and falling out being public.

"Am I a horrible being if I say that I hope he continues to release new music? I hope he does another album with Shooter Jennings to see where their collaboration can go next."

My response except replace Scooter with Tyler Bates.

manson schmanson I'll listen to his music when I feel like it

Scooter make good music

"Am I a horrible being if I say that I hope he continues to release new music? I hope he does another album with Shooter Jennings to see where their collaboration can go next."

Depends of how will be the final jugment. It will be another case of separate the person from the artist... Although it will be important to remember the reasons why.

Notable example is LOSTPROPHETS. Sometimes I come across one of their songs and love it for nostalgia ... then I remember what a piece of shit their signer is

Only way to handle this is shoving a razorblade up his and Vektor guy's ass and put em together in a cage

Interesting to look back three years ago at the reddit threads from when Manson threw Twiggy out for the exact same thing.

"For some reason it's very important for us dorks to say that we are not surprised by these news. I'm not entirely sure why."

we just want to leave evidence of our existence, nerd.

I'm simply here to leave a comment saying that my heart is with you CaliggyJack. (and MercySeat)
Sometimes you just don't notice how much you're being abused until you've had time to observe events from a natural state, removed from the influence of the abuser. This can be especially damaging if you already know BDSM is going to be involved; Just because somebody's submissive doesn't mean that they should be manipulated, or that their consent doesn't matter.
I've never really seen the appeal to Marylin Manson, but 4+ women who don't know each other making similar claims can be pretty damning. I can see why someone would want to question a singular accusation, because plenty of abusive people like to play the victim, and someone who doesn't abuse might feel more comfortable dropping exaggerated statements, but... yeah, this doesn't look good.

Btw, ReefaJones, I had to look up "virtue signaling" to be sure I knew what you meant, and it made me bust out laughing because it's literally you trying to imply that people speak out against rape for show. You really couldn't be more transparent with your argument. lmao

"because it's literally you trying to imply that people speak out against rape for show."

It's especially funny because, who cares what your reasons are for speaking out against rape? It's still good to speak out against rape.

I honestly thought you had to sign consent forms when you get involved with Marilyn Manson... like, you would think, right?

In the late 90s, this news would skyrocket his popularity, but in 2021, might kill his career, for sure.

Times they are a-changin, Mr Manson.

Hahaha dude complaining about virtue signaling is the wildest shit to me.

if u do rape u smol pp

"it's literally you trying to imply that people speak out against rape for show."

Yeah, that's exactly what I was doing lmao. Fuck off with this bad faith bull shit you clown

>we just want to leave evidence of our existence, nerd.

and also our uncanny ability to predict the future

a broken clock and so on...

I mean people love saying stuff like “i already knew this because i’m smart”, they just word it differently.
That being said, most, if not all of the information in the article was around before and lots of people “knew”. So the question why MM wasn’t “cancelled” earlier is a legitimate one to ask.

Good answer

thanks

I didn't know any of this shit about Manson until earlier this year. I don't really pay too much attention to the personal lives of celebrities unless it's something that really interests me (Johnny Depp shit for example)

@reefa so was this virtue signalling then?

"The problem is that if not addressed, these details muddy the waters and make it possible for actual assholes to attempt to delegitimize stories like this. If we only could have honest discourse about stories such as these, we might not have this problem, buddy."

Yeah I don’t give a shit about this dude at all so I don’t keep up with news about him so this is all new to me

Thank you, Blood on the Bancefloor

Everyone knew it was him when she talked about this and didn't name the abuser. He`s basically bragged about many of the things he did in interviews, on stage, and in his autobiography. He`s guilty as shit.

Now users started giving 1s to the new album because of this? Oh man

was probably a 1 anyway

definitely the worst thing to come out of this.

There's something a little pedophile about "heart shaped glasses" that it made me question about what was going on in his life.

idk why people always say sputnikmusic users are out of shape, seeing plenty of mental gymnastics in this thread

lmao

10/10

Congrats on 10K, Ghandi

congratulations on 527 Gwent!

Thank you

527 too many

bongratulations on 7502, Cold one.

Thank you. You’re gonna have to step it up

I've had this account 10x longer than you, maybe you spend too much time here

Not my fault my thoughts occur in my brain and manifest as the deeply articulate poetry they are with lightning speed

this song is about loving your slatts

^ this comment is not slime

wat

waddup doxxinjackson'sdangillydix

Noler has never experienced slatt

"slatt, or slime love all the time, is a word that has become incredibly popular amongst mid-teen aged girls."

This man just googled slatt

i did

and that was the first result

Not slimey bro

I bet I listened to young thug before you

“ John Slattery Jr. (born August 13, 1962)[2] is an American actor and director, best known for his role as Roger Sterling in the AMC drama series Mad Men.”

The picture search for "slime love" was very disappointing.

Great thread guys.

it’s a real roller coaster of emotions

i knew this was gonna be a shit show but holy fuck

It's Manson, it was to be expected

what if it came out tomorrow that Manson had sacrificed children to the devil?

be so much more badass and good for his image

Wanted to point out that in heart shaped glasses vid, Wood portrays a fan watching him perform while wearing Lolita sunglasses. And Mansons LP High End of Low is very open about the abuse in their relationship.

Imagine they use his own music videos as part of evidence

DUDE imagine if it came out that not only did he sacrificed children, but in fact, he even went so far as to EAT BABIES!!!

> Imagine they use his own music videos as part of evidence

That'd be pretty much like a Boondocks episode, lol

Wait is there even a lawsuit? I know it may be more complicated than this but they all need to sue/press charges against the bastard

I mean, one his vids depicts him murdering a Wood look-alike

"DUDE imagine if it came out that not only did he sacrificed children, but in fact, he even went so far as to EAT BABIES!!!"

That would be so much more badass and good for his image [x2]

Running to the edge of the world music video. Comments are already talking about it

https://youtu.be/6pzpIp9e4T4