Paradise Lost enter the studio

2019-10-16 by Simon STAFF | 43 Comments
English metal band Paradise Lost unveiled a nugget of information to their fans today, regarding an update on where they are with a successor to 2017's Medusa. The Facebook post reads as follows:

"As a few of you may have already heard; we are almost done writing the new album, and we will head into the studio with Jaime Gomez Arellano at Orgone Studios again at the end of the month!

'Follow' us on Instagram for updates: instagram.com/officialparadiselost"


More updates to follow, but suffice it to say, new material could be heading our way as early as next year.

Tagged: Paradise Lost

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EvoHavok
October 16th 2019
7702 Comments


Sweet.

Pikazilla
October 16th 2019
6478 Comments


Awesome news.

InFlamesWeThrash666
October 16th 2019
9300 Comments


Will rule

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insomniac15
Staff Reviewer
October 16th 2019
4902 Comments


Really curious which direction they'll take, Medusa was awesome.

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TheNotrap
October 16th 2019
12299 Comments


Nice, I hope the band keeps the vibe from the previous album.

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bloc
October 16th 2019
58359 Comments


Always thought these guys were incredibly overrated

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Sabrutin
October 17th 2019
6507 Comments


Same producer as TPW and Medusa eh, I'm not super hyped honestly.

"Always thought these guys were incredibly overrated"
Influence aside I can see it, from what they gave us they are neither exceptional musicians nor songwriters. However if you vibe with their idea of emotions they can be very satisfying.

bloc you ever checked their Host album? It's basically Depeche Mode.

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Egarran
October 17th 2019
13917 Comments


TPW was such a great surprise. But Medusa didn't do much for me.


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ChaoticVortex
October 17th 2019
860 Comments


Really curious which direction they'll take, Medusa was awesome. (2)


Willie
Moderator
October 17th 2019
18004 Comments


I hope it’s a little more diverse than Medusa. I’m a big fan of the ‘Symbol Of Life’ through ‘Tragic Idol’ era.

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bloc
October 17th 2019
58359 Comments


"bloc you ever checked their Host album? It's basically Depeche Mode."

I gave it a 3. Only thing higher was the self titled at 3.5, which doesn't seem to get much love anyway haha

Willie
Moderator
October 17th 2019
18004 Comments


If you like the self titled, I'm surprised you don't like Symbol of Life since the self-titled was basically a clone of that album.

Darkwatch025
October 17th 2019
362 Comments


Symbol of Life is my favorite Paradise Lost album. I agree with Willie, love the Symbol of Life through Tragic Idol era.


bloc
October 18th 2019
58359 Comments


I wasn't feelin that one either

naughtcturnal
October 18th 2019
1374 Comments


Icon is one of my fav albums ever. Haven't actually listened to anything they put out after like 2008

Dewinged
Contributing Reviewer
October 18th 2019
16973 Comments


Medusa was good but I do hope they go a bit further into Draconian Times direction. No one does that shit like them.

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Sabrutin
October 18th 2019
6507 Comments


"I gave it a 3. Only thing higher was the self titled at 3.5, which doesn't seem to get much love anyway haha"

I don't love the s/t because of how rigid and formulaic the writing is, yuo could say it's sadboi pop metal. Then again that's also its strength, catchiness and emotionz. Sun Fading is one of my favorite PL songs actually.
As for Host, I really dig quite a few songs. In All Honesty, Behind the Grey, Wreck and Deep mainly.

Willie
Moderator
October 18th 2019
18004 Comments


Has anyone heard the remastered versions of One Second, Host, and especially Believe In Nothing. They're well worth getting (either on their own or to replace your original copies).

Pikazilla
October 18th 2019
6478 Comments


Yes, I own all of those on CD! They sound great.

Willie
Moderator
October 18th 2019
18004 Comments


I bought the lossless digital versions. I don't really buy discs anymore (For music, games, or movies).

Sabrutin
October 18th 2019
6507 Comments


must... refrain... from... talking... badly... of... CD... mastering... again...

LPs are great though especially considering Host and BiN never had a decent sounding edition before. I'm not a big fan of BiN's remix though but that's subjective.

Willie
Moderator
October 18th 2019
18004 Comments


--must... refrain... from... talking... badly... of... CD... mastering... again...--

Enlighten me because I'm slowly updating all my music to lossless, and it's cheapest to buy used CDs from Amazon and rip them than to buy digital versions outright, but if there is a significant enough difference....

Sabrutin
October 18th 2019
6507 Comments


CDs from the 90s onwards are tipycally a lot more compressed than vinyl. This doesn't mean that vinyl is a better format, it just happens that they make brickwalled CDs and (more or less) dynamic vinyl because LPs have the "audiophile myth" that protects them from aggressive compression. Sadly, even a lot of digital downloads are the same as CDs (not to mention that bad vinyl definitely exists), so tough luck for anyone without a turntable (if you want to avoid piracy that is). I personally own a turntable that let's me rip the music to PC via USB.

One thing you can do is look at this website where people upload the dynamic range of the various editions of albums: http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=paradise+lost&album=host
Have you ever seen users like KILL talk about DR? That's what they mean. As you can see from that link, Host has an average dynamic range of 8 (out of 20) both in 1999 (CD) and 2018 (download, 100% surely CD too), sadly. However, the remastered vinyl definitely sounds better than a DR8! Though we can't know with precise numbers, because the tools to measure DR are apparently not trustworthy on vinyl rips.

Keep in mind I'm not an expert by any means. I'm just a dude with a pair of decent headphones that just can't avoid to notice how ass most music is mastered today just because people feel like compression (which brings higher volume) attracts more costumers. Remember when I criticized Traced in Air remix saying that it was badly mastered on Spotify/CD? That album is DR7, even lower than Host. Once you start developing an ear for this stuff you basically start to hate a lot of things and become grumpy like me.

Pikazilla
October 18th 2019
6478 Comments


I don't have a record player though. It's a real pain to work out which one to buy and which amp to use and how often the needle needs replacing and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

Pikazilla
October 18th 2019
6478 Comments


I'd rather spend two grand on good headphones and listen to the flac stuff I buy from bandcamp

Willie
Moderator
October 18th 2019
18004 Comments


I do a lot of Bandcamp purchases and 7Digital stuff. Then used CDs when I need to. I spent $400 on some planar magnetic Audeze headphones and they're so damn good.

Voivod
Staff Reviewer
October 18th 2019
8494 Comments


Most CD and digital downloads feel compressed, there are exceptions though..

Sabrutin
October 18th 2019
6507 Comments


Indeed, vinyl is inconvenient and in this digital age there is no need for it to exist. Yet, that's where the labels often press the best versions of their albums. The music industry makes zero sense today quality-wise and I stopped criticizing pirates since the industry is a scam to begin with.

You see, you could buy a super duper 24bit/192khz digital file, but if the mastering is bad then the file has the same value as a throwaway 320k mp3. I love Bandcamp, because it let's you download your format of choice, but in the end it all comes down to the master they are selling you. You could even buy a vinyl, but then if you only listen to the download you are often basically listening to the CD, because what you download is the same as what you stream on the site and it's rare (but not impossible) that they'd put the more dynamic version for streaming.

Speaking of Paradise Lost, just listen to Shades of God on CD, crank up the volume and feel what it means to have good DR13 mastering. You don't even need to dig the music, it's just clear as day how dynamic the sound is.
By the way, if any of you has bought Draconian Times' legacy edition, you can rip the surround DVD on your PC and downmix to stereo to have a sweet good sounding Draco. Otherwise you'd have to hunt for a super expensive vinyl!
(admittedly Draconian Times is DR9 on CD so it's not *that* catastrophic)

Willie
Moderator
October 18th 2019
18004 Comments


Yeah, there's always some risk. The only thing I can do is try to get the best sounding versions whenever possible. Just recently bought the wide dynamic range version of Carcass' Heartwork album lossless through Bandcamp... such a huge difference.

Voivod
Staff Reviewer
October 18th 2019
8494 Comments


Headphones have a part to play as well... Apple standard headphones for instance, are uncanny in making “shit” sound like “gold”.

Willie
Moderator
October 18th 2019
18004 Comments


I have some planar magnetic headphones which are uncanny for exposing any and all recording flaws. ha ha. But when the music is recorded well, it's fucking magical.

Sabrutin
October 18th 2019
6507 Comments


I use Audio Technica Pro ATH-M50X, they cost "only" €180 but are widely used even by musicians themselves for their value. They are monitor headphones, meaning they don't interfere with weird equalizations and let you hear a nice, neutral reflection of the original music file.

I really suggest you guys to keep an eye on 5.1 DVDs. A lot of the time they are rather cheap bundled with the CDs and you can easily downmix them to stereo. For instance, I never listen to the compressed CD of Katatonia's The Fall of Hearts, because the DVD that came together is by far the best sounding version of the album. Very quiet and polished.
Same for Opeth! Many of their albums received DVD bundles from Still Life to Heritage (it gets tricky after that) and they are total improvements, not to mention cheaper than vinyl (and sometimes better too, see Watershed or Blackwater Park).

Willie
Moderator
October 18th 2019
18004 Comments


What do you use to downmix?

Sabrutin
October 18th 2019
6507 Comments


DVD Audio Extractor to rip the complete multi-channel audio to FLAC, then foobar2000 with the Channel Mixer plug-in to downmix it to 2 channels.
Extracting full 4+ channel files and *then* downmixing it ensures a much better result in my experience, rather than directly ripping it to 2. It's really a world of trial and error haha, especially at first, not to mention some DVDs come with multiple mixes.

DVD Audio Extractor sadly isn't free, but it's so reliable and intuitive. HandBrake is a free alternative but sometimes it fails to read my stuff and I don't know why, both folders and actual physical DVDs.

Willie
Moderator
October 18th 2019
18004 Comments


I use Handbrake for ripping movies because I keep everything digital. I've never tried to use it for just audio.

Sabrutin
October 18th 2019
6507 Comments


I don't think it's meant for just audio, yeah. I may be wrong but I don't think you can disable the video and I also don't think it has FLAC as an option. I used it years ago a few times but it was hell on earth.

Willie
Moderator
October 18th 2019
18004 Comments


It definitely doesn't have a Flac option now that I think about it. It seems to max out at 640. It's perfect for movies, though. Use MakeMKV to get a lossless extraction of the DVD/BluRay, then Handbrake to compress to your specifications.

bloc
October 19th 2019
58359 Comments


Pfft FLAC...biggest storage scam of the 21st century

Willie
Moderator
October 19th 2019
18004 Comments


You're right. I actually rip all my stuff to ALAC. ;)

WatchItExplode
October 19th 2019
7298 Comments


Tf is this conversation and how did it start in a paradise lost news thread

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Egarran
October 19th 2019
13917 Comments


It would take you 30 seconds of reading to get a better answer than any of us can provide.

bloc
October 19th 2019
58359 Comments


Gotta get that comment count up bro

WatchItExplode
October 19th 2019
7298 Comments


Technical convos like this are rare is all...I read egg man. Plus gotta get that comment count up.



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