Oh my fucking god I just want this guy to go away already

"Oh my fucking god I just want this guy to go away already "

When pigs fly bruh

WOOP DEE DEE SCOOP POOP

Fucking brilliant.

Lift Yourself > It's OK to Like Trump Let's All Get Along

This song is the equivalent of talking a lot without saying anything.

Shark Kanye rules

good song

He needs to pull a Cobain. His legacy would explode even more.

????

"Oh my fucking god I just want this guy to go away already "

he's more woke than ever and redpilling the masses, he ain't going nowhere lmao

Kanye for comedy AOTY.

Tyler Kurt Cobain committed suicide

Does this mean T.I. supports Trump too? lmao

'Tyler Kurt Cobain committed suicide'
he knows.

Kanye 4 prez

Yeah vax but he just put a bunch of question marks so I just figured Kanye west fans didn’t know who he was or something

maga

I got about a minute into the first one and ten seconds into the second before I turned them off.

lift yourself is infinitely better

[2]

the song New Slaves is actually about conservatives on college campuses

this is trash but bear in mind it was recorded the day before release to try and appease some of the upset fanbase

aka hopefully it's this album's Facts

He doesn't support Trump (100% guaranteed) he only wants to cause controversy and get talked about in the media. He's really a pathetic person, to be honest. He has no sense of artistry whatsoever. which is disappointing. Some of his earlier work was subtly interesting and had artistic merit. Now he's just a fucking meme of himself.

it's really hard to like either of these guys now. kinda sucks

Please tell me this isn't gonna be on the album.

Like this isn't even a song really

Kanye is a master of playing the media

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/990397560878645248

ok this whole thing is extremely funny now

wtf?

Woah he supports both sides...

...just like he said in the song...

...fascinating

i'm not going to listen to it

I made the mistake of listening. I gained nothing from that experience. I couldn't really even call that rapping?

Just tack on an angry Eminem verse at the the end and this wouldn't sound out of place on Revival tbh

shit's been funny as hell for years, mate

uhhhh lemme get uhhHHhh A O T Y

i was going to say "bunch of cucks itt" but in the spirit of kanye, i love you all

Lift Yourself confirmed for song of the year

Fuck this guy.

Kanye's right, he's redpilled af and the butthurt on the internet is delicious

^^^Cringe

Just in case you need another reason to hate Kanye

Lift Yourself is hilarious

Hopefully this doesn't turn up on the new album.

Terrible

I've always dug TI more than Kanye, so maybe I feel better about that now

'he's redpilled af'

lol no he's really not

The only red pill is the one for communism.

m/

y'all blue pillers

Nothing compares to these blue and yellow purple pills

Never understood the appeal of this dude honestly

he's just a narcissist that's glad to see that a celebrity can get into office on ideas alone. he doesn't support trump, he supports himself

Idiota

People: "Kanye West is the voice of a generation. A musical genius that even beethoven would be jealous of"

> Kanye says he likes Trump

People: "OMG i just want this fucking guy to go away already, who listens to this trash"

lmao

"People: "Kanye West is the voice of a generation. A musical genius that even beethoven would be jealous of"

zero people not named Kayne West have ever said this seriously.


saw a funny picture of Kayne's MAGA hat where someone changed it to "Make College Dropout Again"

SCOOPTITY POOP SCOOP

I took the red and black pill.

As a bipolar asshole, this guy is a raging bipolar asshole. He could be forcibly committed if his family had any balls. Public rants, presumably not in treatment, not on or taking meds, danger to at least himself...

Tell us more about what you read on webMD

I don't even care that he likes Trump. He's free to hold whatever beliefs he chooses. He could perfectly align with me on every issue and this song would still suck. Because it's bad.

This is why Kanye is and will go down as the greatest of all time

I can’t stop listening to this.

Hip hop debate track, I dig it

can't wait for the pizzagate anthem

It's not bad as a teaser, T.I. sounds good. Definitely better than that troll song Lift Yourself.

But damn Ye you trying to make your fans hate you?

Dude just commit suicide then everyone will love you and your reputation will become exponentially better

I love Kanye's early music and some of his more recent stuff but he sucks so fucking much.

Oh shit, this has created quite the show

kanye didn't make a single good point on this song and everything T.I. says in the song is right. he has an incredibly misguided view of what MAGA stands for and he's so incredibly wrong and naive to think he could steer it in the direction he desires or that he's doing that right now somehow

the irony of kanye saying "You just readin' the headlines, you don't see the fine print" when he's said he hasn't done enough research to confirm if he's a conservative or not
I guess good work for managing to put out a song that's dumber than the poopity scoopity song less than 24 hrs later

I remember like a month ago Kanye could do no wrong in the eyes of the public, and if you didnt like him you were considered a racist. It's really sad how quickly people will turn on someone they claim to love just because of ideological differences. I still think Kanye sucks, but I respect him for sticking to his guns on this.

lol the only people thinking Kanye can do no wrong are his fanboys who will praise anything he does. And we all know how out of touch they are.

dude people have been shitting on kanye en masse for a decade

what the hell was that ending on lift yourself? lmao

"I remember like a month ago Kanye could do no wrong in the eyes of the public, and if you didnt like him you were considered a racist."

For the most part, Kanye has been out of style for the last 5+ years. Your point here is simply, objectively incorrect. Nice straw man, though.

I love how genuinely upset some people are about one damn person.

LOOOOOOOL

Im hyped for the album I couldn't give less of a shit about his politics [2]


altho i find his antics entertaining

Kinda unironically love Lift Yourself. That soul/gospel sample is fucking on point.

Ye vs. tho may actually be his worst track ever, even with politics aside

Lift Yourself is hilarious in a way that I think only Kanye can pull off

kanye is the greatest spectacle of our time and it's all a part of his bit. he's actually a genius

he's actually a retard'


There you go, fixed.

lecolumbus reading his sociology professor's diary itt

"400 years of slavery? Sounds like a choice!"

He actually said this.

It's obvious what he was actually trying to say... he just said it in by far the dumbest and most indefensible way he possibly could.

yeah my wife is pretty pissed about that little quip of his

Is Kanye's slavery comments though a comment on people still claiming that African Americans are still enslaved? I think his comments were more or less that if people still claim they're enslaved in 2018 then it's because of their doing.

even that charitable reading of what he said is still dumb af

I concur.

Yeah I think he explained it something along those lines. That 400 years later, people need to get out of this mindset if they want to prosper.

Although I'm not sure where he came up with this 400 years number. 150 might have been closer to reality and then all the direct and indirect repercussions that followed.

Kanye is ill/disturbed. Anyone who with a straight face says that slavery was a choice, a) doesn't know anything about slavery, b) is divorced from reality 3) has an ego so grandiose he's trapped in his own mind.

it made sense to me

Again, I don't agree with Kanye's comments but people are being ignorant distorting his comments: I'm pretty sure he's talking about people now believing they are still in slavery, not those historically enslaved on this continent for hundreds of years.

around late 17th century-1960. that's where people get the 400 number from from. african slaves began being imported to the americas in large numbers around that time, and slavery did in fact continue after the emancipation proclamation. furthermore, it's not that controversial that until the end of jim crow you can consider african americans if not technically enslaved then so sufficiently oppressed it's arguably comparable to the pre-war era.

"slavery was a choice" yeah I don't know how you read anything else from that. and this is kanye west we're talking about, not an american history scholar.

he also said something like, we had the numbers to not be enslaved, so it's actually you who are reading something else into his comments that are not there.

I agree, but for all intents and purposes I think Kanye is referring to African Americans of 2018, not pre 1965 Voting Rights Act.

Edit: Well if he said the numbers thing then he is just an idiot.

"I love how genuinely upset some people are about one damn person."

I love the meta comments about people getting upset about one person as if that's a hot take

Agree with JWT

I'm like 99% sure the 400 years he's referring to is 1619 (the year the first slave ships arrived in the new world) to 2018

what he was saying is that if people were in a bad situation for so long then it's because they didn't do enough to try stop it, it can apply to anyone not just slaves, obviously it wasn't their choice in the first place but it was their choice to do something about it.

Yeah exactly

Pretty common conservative narrative/ideal from what I understand

Just a dumb narrative/ideal that was presented in an even dumber way

It's a pretty absurd argument, just like most conservative testaments

What he said and what he meant to say is dumb as fuck either way. That whole "black people still have a slave mentality today" bullshit gets parroted by the worst types of people.

"It's a pretty absurd argument, just like most conservative testaments"

yup and yet people defend him

I wish I had been in the same ward as Kanye. Shit would have been tight

Ye's whole album rollout is him proving he's not as smart as the people who put him on a pedestal claim he is. Its so entertaining.

"It's a pretty absurd argument, just like most conservative testaments"

Really? Come on dude. Not like fucking Progressive's don't have their fair share of idiotic statements.

hes just trying to be edgy for publicity obviously

im not being forgiving of him for it btw but i still dont give a shit about the dudes opinions just make good music

Kanye will be on Infowars today lmfao

GTFO

lol sick

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HAVE YOU EVER ASKED YOUR BITCH FOR OTHER BITCHES?

alex got me watching alex jones and they havent said hes gonna be on so dont think thats a thing unfortunately

To everyone commenting on his "400 years of slavery sounds like a choice" statement

His exact clarification is:

"Of course I know that slaves did not get shackled and put on a boat by free will. My point is for us to have stayed in that position even though the numbers were on our side means that we were mentally enslaved."

Which is a fair point. He's just saying hey, we're always complaining about being behind in society...well isn't 400 years plenty of time to figure out the reality of our situation and how to get it turned around? Did we really give as much of an effort to improve our situation as we could have all this time?

Obviously it's a super nuanced issue and his initial statement was completely lacking any semblance of nuance whatsoever...but if you actually think about the big picture for 2 seconds instead of just making a snap judgement based only on his initial statement, it makes a lot of sense. Let's not pretend Stockholm syndrome doesn't exist.

Alex Jones is a big fat liar then: https://mobile.twitter.com/realalexjones/status/991721835816505344?s=21

fuckk outta here with that objective perspective im trying to be a defender of the good over here

idk maybe he is he didnt mention it when i was watching

"Really? Come on dude. Not like fucking Progressive's don't have their fair share of idiotic statements.
"
Immaterial. We're not talking about progressives right now are we.

alex jones gave this country aids

Dude I was so hoping that would be the gay frogs remix and I’m so stoked you didn’t disappoint.

I get that perhaps Kanye hasn't exaclty earned a charitable approach for some of you, but to see his original statement boiled down to "Slavery was a choice" - Kanye 2018, and a few of you are buying that, is pretty concerning. I don't follow Kanye, but doesn't that comment seem too outrageous to be true? Almost as though it was completely removed from context and nuance? Well I thought so, which is why in about 5 seconds of searching I found the original video and his follow up statement on the same page, Lo and behold it's pretty clear from both what he's actually tying to say, some unfortunate word choice aside. Psychological oppression plays a huge role in tyrannising a group - obviously he wasn't saying slaves were totally down for what they went through, he's saying that they were mentally conditioned to remain in slavery, and he's drawing parallels to his whole "free-thought" thingie that he's going through now or whatever, telling people not to keep themselves down.

Besides like overly sensitive SJW anti-hate speech shit what is so idiotic about progressives anyway?

kanye west thinks he so original, fuck him gay bars were original once too.

Morons take this guy seriously as he hypes up whatever he's got going on through controversy. The media, fans, everybody plays right into his ploy and gives him exactly what he needs. Idiots.

"Morons take this guy seriously as he hypes up whatever he's got going on through controversy. The media, fans, everybody plays right into his ploy and gives him exactly what he needs. Idiots. "

hot take alert , relax bitch aint like anyone here is going out buying yeezys and if you are then you probably like neurosis and dicks up your ass

Do you just hate gay people doc or are you afraid of them too?

"Besides like overly sensitive SJW anti-hate speech shit what is so idiotic about progressives anyway?"

uh why would u need a living wage, free healthcare and college and equal rights when u can just pull urself up by ur bootstraps?? sounds pretty idiotic to me

Wait what? I was trying to say progressive politics are pretty solid for the most part and not idiotic. I’m pro all the things you mentioned so far. I can’t tell if you are sarcastic or not.

he was being sarcastic

Oh shit thanks dawg

"Kanye will be on Infowars today lmfao"

LOL

"Besides like overly sensitive SJW anti-hate speech shit what is so idiotic about progressives anyway?"

as if there needs to be any other reason

their complete ignorance of the atrocities and failures of every communist regime ever is probably the biggest thing tho

yea agreed they are all basket cases lol

"their complete ignorance of the atrocities and failures of every communist regime ever is probably the biggest thing tho"

haha implying progressive = communist sympathizer. step away from Breitbart for a few minutes bud

stick around and watch the rhetoric on sputnik for any length of time and you will see i am completely accurate in that sentiment B U D

"haha implying progressive = communist sympathizer. step away from Breitbart for a few minutes bud"

looool dude are you for real. occupy wall street was literally the definition of communistic wealth redistribution (which is ironic since it was funded by the elite left en masse) and progressives ate that shit up with a silver spoon

real socialism has never been tried

^ive literally seen that exact quote from like 5 different people here

yea tell that to the hundreds of millions of people who died under socialist and communist rule

fuck socialism and communism. my mom grew up under communist Russia, never again motherfuckers

it must be tough since you want to lump everyone in the same boat, but yes there is a difference between a progressive democrat and a socialist (and even more-so a communist). come on now

the slight at conservatives was the first generalizing comment here but yes youre right its irrational to group and generalize like that on either side

but the ignorance of the realities of communism in general is a thing 100%, many lefty student types will line up to murder a neo nazi meanwhile have zero knowledge of the history of failed socialist states

"but the ignorance of the realities of communism"

This is why people keep telling you the real thing hasn't been tried.

"many lefty student types will line up to murder a neo nazi "

You can point to some pretty horrific point within the ideology itself when it comes to neo Nazism. So far all your critiques about communism have been critiques against psychopathic dictators which can exists outside of communism and aren't an inherent part of communism.

"zero knowledge of the history of failed socialist states"

Brutal dictators aside, this also ignores the fact that much of the worlds superpowers actively hindered the spread and success of anything they deemed remotely communist leaning through wars, economic sanctions, etc. Do you think this is being done to protect you? I'm a little skeptical personally.

For the record, I'm not advocating for communism and I feel like I still need to read up and learn a lot about the ideology and the history (beyond hurr durr Stalin) to have something substantial to present opinion wise on all this. But reading to chuck's posts with all the nuance and finesse of a chipped brick was a little much.

@guitar

haha fair enough. for what it's worth, i consider myself a progressive but certainly don't welcome a socialist or communist regime. just thought i'd try to point that out. as for the occupy movement stuff - that drew in all different types of leftist agendas. i think you could probably talk to any two people there and get wildly different views. i agree it was a bad look, but so is inequality

Woop di scoop

"So far all your critiques about communism have been critiques against psychopathic dictators which can exists outside of communism and aren't an inherent part of communism."

lmao there it is as if on command

GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE

jesus christ why did i go on the internet today

"For the record, I'm not advocating for communism and I feel like I still need to read up and learn a lot about the ideology and the history (beyond hurr durr Stalin) to have something substantial to present opinion wise on all this. "

lmfao he even admits he doesnt know

thank you for proving my point so clearly i couldnt have asked for such a perfect example of the ignorance i was pointing to

But it hasn't really been done correctly chuck. /s

no you see your historical education hasnt been done correctly

nice /s edit pls dont tease me like that im one more idiotic comment away from full chuckragemode

"lmfao he even admits he doesnt know

thank you for proving my point so clearly i couldnt have asked for such a perfect example of the ignorance i was pointing to"

It's a complex topic with a ton of litterature and I'm not going to pretend to have a full understanding of it the way you seem so comfortable doing, yeah.

G I V E

M E

O N E

E X A M P L E

if youre not going to pretend to have full understanding dont be an ignorant fuck like the rest of them and say that dictators are not an inherent part of communism, how can you possibly know that if you're not read on the subject

contrary to your immature personal jabs at me i am very well read on the subject and literally zero communist regimes have existed without a dictator and none of them lasted, most of them resulted in human rights violations equaling or succeeding anything the nazis did

thats the fucking reality and to claim otherwise is to disrespect the hundreds of millions of people who were killed by communist regimes historically and THAT is why i get fucking heated over the subject

"This is why people keep telling you the real thing hasn't been tried. "

agreed and why it needs to be shut down entirely as an idea to be tried in this day and age

Just for the record I consider myself a progressive but I’m not an anti-capitalist and I don’t harbor socialist or communist views. I thought occupy Wall Street was a stupid gesture that ended up causing taxpayers more money than making any real economic changes. Essentially occupy Wall Street was a bunch of stoner hippies camping out while cops got paid crazy amounts of overtime to babysit them. It cost a shit ton of money and literally nothing happened except progressives got even more of a bad reputation as naive hippies.

re: occupy movement:

im all for peaceful protesting no matter how ill-informed it is, and not that all occupy protesters were ill-informed either, standing up for the downtrodden is perfectly reasonable and needs to be done continuously in order to try and strike a balance in the system

Well I had to add the /s after not realizing that enough dumb people have said that that you'd take me seriously

Me too but that movement was such a disgrace. No organization or real ideas besides “rich people have too much money” which I agree with. At least in my city it ended up hurting the cause because it left a bad taste in otherwise sympathetic peoples mouths. Too much camping and not enough action.

yeah the occupy movement definitely attracted dirty hippie types which gave it a bad look, but let's not pretend that the wealth gap isn't a huge issue (and only getting worse). the occupy movement was better than not doing anything and being complacent, i think it got the message out there. can't really say it had much of a lasting impact however

anytime that discussion comes up in terms of american economics i remind people that america does have some of the highest income tax in the west its just that the a relatively huge proportion of the spending is on defense rather than social programs compared to most other western democracies

"as if there needs to be any other reason

their complete ignorance of the atrocities and failures of every communist regime ever is probably the biggest thing tho"

this post is confusing for a couple of reasons

1) u say there doesn't need to be another reason (ie: anti hate speech sjws), then proceed to give a completely different reason

2) ur equating progressivism to communism??? and ur reasoning is that occupy wall street was communistic, as if that short lived protest is emblematic of the progressive movement

what a clusterfuck of ideas. I feel like it was just an excuse to rant about communism and socialism lol

haha glad i'm not the only one who thought someone saying progressive = communist was flat out ignorant. i mean i think i learned the difference in the 8th grade

1) was a joke but yes mother fuck every sensitive pussy ever

2) i never used occupy wall street as a reason for saying progessivism = communism someone else brought occupy up nor did i say progressivism = communism AND ANYWAY what i actually was saying is progressives tend to be more forgiving at least or completely ignorant at worst of the history of communism vs other types of authoritative governments


what a clusterfuck of skewing my words lol

next question

We went from Kanye West to socialism real fast

"haha glad i'm not the only one who thought someone saying progressive = communist was flat out ignorant. i mean i think i learned the difference in the 8th grade"

someone point me to where this statement was made

that was actually MO who mentioned occupy wall street, my b

"2) i never used occupy wall street as a reason for saying progessivism = communism nor did i say progressivism = communism, i said progressives tend to be more forgiving at least or completely ignorant at worst of the history of communism"

literally nobody was talking about communism until u did, to respond to the question of why progressivism is idiotic

so why even bring it up, unless to equate the 2 on some level? it's so random

"if youre not going to pretend to have full understanding dont be an ignorant fuck like the rest of them and say that dictators are not an inherent part of communism, how can you possibly know that if you're not read on the subject

contrary to your immature personal jabs at me i am very well read on the subject and literally zero communist regimes have existed without a dictator and none of them lasted, most of them resulted in human rights violations equaling or succeeding anything the nazis did

thats the fucking reality and to claim otherwise is to disrespect the hundreds of millions of people who were killed by communist regimes historically and THAT is why i get fucking heated over the subject"

I have enough of a basic understanding to know it's an economic system that could, in theory, be applied in a multitude of ways be it in a dictatorship or, as some argue, a stateless/anarchist society. Dictatorship isn't written into the ideology.
So far, the way it's been applied has basically been a revolution leads to a dictatorship taking over, the dictatorship "implements communism" to satisfy the population, "communism" is slowly taken away in all but name as the dictatorship does what dictatorships do. Now were the system to be implemented in a different way (democratically) maybe there could be vastly different results.
And, let's not pretend like human rights violations are somehow a symptom of communism alone and don't happen every day under a capitalist system as well... We're just lucky enough to have been born into a part of the world that's shielded from the worst of it.

I'm not even advocating for communism here and it's far from a perfect system and likely to idealistic to ever work. But on the flip-side, capitalism has shown it's definitely not perfect either and the best option is likely somewhere in the middle. However, to get there, there needs to be better discussion about what works and what doesn't in each system and if communism is already reduced to "dictatorship", I don't think anyone is doing themselves any favours. And that's where those (admittedly) cheap jabs at you from earlier came from.

" so why even bring it up, unless to equate the 2 on some level? it's so random"

if you read the thread i was responding to a question

its not random that ignorance is highly prevalent and pisses me off to no end

Damn scream I agree with you on most of that

I can't believe I'm debating communism on a Kanye thread where tf did my life go wrong

in theory =/= in practice

"And, let's not pretend like human rights violations are somehow a symptom of communism alone and don't happen every day under a capitalist system as well... We're just lucky enough to have been born into a part of the world that's shielded from the worst of it. "

again showing MASSIVE levels of ignorance here

go read the gulag archipelago at @ me when youre finished it

"I can't believe I'm debating communism on a Kanye thread where tf did my life go wrong"

the moment you decided to pretend to be an expert on things youre not read on probably

capitalism isnt perfect but nature isnt perfect, inequality is innate in nature

IN PRACTICE capitalism is the system that creates the most progress and peace

maybe someday we will evolve past the point of having greed be an innate part of human nature but until that happens a socialist system will never work

the only way communism works IN THEORY is to ignore the variable of human greed from the equation which is irrational

I think someone said conservatives are idiotic and someone responded by saying progressives are idiotic too and I was like well besides sensitive college pussies what is so idiotic about progressive politics and then it got really weird

was there a capitalism v communism debate on here recently

this looks like a spillover from an old argument lol

yeah but literally no one said progressives = communists so lets be adults and not skew each others words

"I think someone said conservatives are idiotic and someone responded by saying progressives are idiotic too and I was like well besides sensitive college pussies what is so idiotic about progressive politics and then it got really weird"
it went straight to communism. zero lead in lmao

lmao

two tactics ignorant people do to try and shut down discussion:

1) skew words

when that fails

2) mock

never a direct response because they have nothing to respond with

you want to be sympathetic to communism go live in venezeuela and tell me how well the people are doing there

"In Venezuela, inflation quadruples to 18,000 percent in two months, with no end in sight"

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article210282264.html

Yeah dude communism sucks agreed

"Now were the system to be implemented in a different way (democratically) maybe there could be vastly different results."

as much as it would be nice I just don't see this working because essentially you're still just redistributing the means of living in a completely unnatural way. giving money to people who don't work for it is not a good idea imo (not including the disabled in this).

superficially putting people on the same level will result in laziness and an overall lack of innovation and creativity. they did a study in Finland recently which basically put a huge number of people on a UBI and it cost way more than the benefits since people got lazy and didn't want to do anything because they didn't really have to.

capitalism has only been sweetened in the eyes of the west because of reforms pushe d forward by socialists based on socialist ideals. the concepts of healthcare and education for all, the welfare system, worker's rights, votes for all, civil rights, women's rights, lgbt rights all stemmed from the work of socialists, to pretend that capitalism without the work of socialists minimising its negative impacts would be any different than the conditions found in dictatorships is to be ignorant of the fact that the exchange of system between feudalism and capitalism did little to upset the concentration of wealth and power between the upper classes and the working class. communism in practice has by and large not been successful save for a few isolated examples (although they might have been slightly better if it weren't for the USA's interesting foreign policies), where they might have made gains in some areas the ease at which dictatorships and authoritarian states can occur out of a revolution is it's biggest weakness. but capitalism has also seen extreme authoritarian states, mass inequality, imperialism, slavery, genocides and the lot. to pretend that capitalism is objectively superior just because you manage to live in a wealthy country built on the exploitation of natural resources and other nations is to be ignorant of the impacts a western lifestyle has on other parts of the world. for me, the end goal of society should be a socialist-like system, but the answer to how to achieve that is by slow democratic reform, not by sudden revolution as many countries have fallen into the trap of doing. our societies need to shift in a more social democratic direction if any transition to democratic socialism is made.

Yeah universal basic income sucks agreed

"IN PRACTICE capitalism is the system that creates the most progress and peace"

yep, it's a flawed system but its the best one that has ever emerged in our million year history and has lifted an insane amount of people out of poverty. sure the rich get richer, but the whole point is that the opportunity for anyone is there.

"the moment you decided to pretend to be an expert on things youre not read on probably"

Yeah that's why from the start I openly admitted to NOT being an expert on the subject. That's totally me trying to pretend to be an expert.

"two tactics ignorant people do to try and shut down discussion:

1) skew words"

yeah exactly, paranoid dictators and human rights violations aside lack of productivity is another major issue

what did communist russia create during the ussr besides mass starvation

tetris i suppose

if youre not an expert then keep the insult based assertive claims out of the discussion plskthnx

saying you dont know the thing but think maybe communism could work is one thing, saying i have the nuance of a brick for actually having an educated opinion is another, show some maturity

Yeah but the opportunities are shrinking and the gap between rich and poor is the worst it has ever been. Capitalism in America needs to get checked and updated or socialism will come to this country. The younger generation is extremely dissatisfied with the economic state of the country. Young kids are going to college and thinking socialism is the answer and when 8 people have more money than half the world they are becoming increasingly more justified.

then how do people survive once automation eats up more and more low-skilled work? you'd have unemployment rates in the tens of millions

iirc the study was only on people who were already on unemployment benefit(i might be wrong)

i think universal basic income is inevitable driven by automation like sinternet says but itll never be full blown equal distribution, unless we reach some sort of far future utopia where people literally dont need to work and productivity is 100% automated

big gap between democracy based capitalism with some major mass distribution policy where people get back much larger income tax refunds for example vs full blown communism

the latter will still affect productivity among the poor but it works when that productivity is brought up by automation, the level of total productivity remains equal

Unemployment rates would have to reach 30-40% and higher for me to think a place like the US would ever consider Universal Basic Income.

that seems to the be the direction the thing is headed though, as less manpower is needed to run the economy unemployment will continue to rise, wealth will continue to become more centralized, redistribution will be necessary

If we just invest in alternative means of acquiring energy we could create millions of new jobs and we wouldn’t need UBI while simultaneously helping the environment

of course there are and thats a much more preferable solution for this time in history as our society is based on capitalist ideals - a shift to nordic-style capitalism/social democracy is way more likely to be successful than completely overturning the economic system embedded in the roots of the system, however i think the idea of socialism should always be the goal for an advanced society, reforming until we get to that point. of course, once you reach that point there may well be new ideas that continue to allow society to push forward (progress is a vital part of any system) and people who think communism or capitalism is going to lead to a utopia should realise that no economic system is permanent and it's likely society will never reach a utopian state, as there is always more that can be done, it really depends though whether you see a socialist stte as the natural successor of a capitalist state, certainly socialist ideas and reforms have shifted capitalism in a more progressive direction

"big gap between democracy based capitalism with some major mass distribution policy where people get back much larger income tax refunds for example vs full blown communism"

I think we're in agreement but what I've been trying to say is that these are socialist/communist ideas that are getting implemented into capitalism (that middle ground I was driving at earlier). However, a wall we're hitting is that people hear of these ideas and this ingrained fear of socialism kicks in and it's an automatic kneejerk. If we want to get away from this mentality and open ourselves up to these potential solutions, we need to get away from this communism/socialism=dictatorship mentality because it's a lot more complex than just that.
This is what I've been trying to say this whole time.

Agreed, but who knows what unemployment will be like in the next 5, 10, 20 years. Places like the internet didn't exist until a couple decades ago and now arguably the internet is one of the biggest creators in terms of jobs and careers. Who knows what next invention or culture shift will be and what the ripple effect in terms of job allocation will be.

i agree shark but in many cases those systems require little manpower anyway, at least in comparison to the jobs that will be lost because of automation

one idea i've heard is to provide students with a large maintenance rate to reduce the number of students working these shrinking low-skill jobsand open more up to those not in education, might be a bit short-ighted though

"Agreed, but who knows what unemployment will be like in the next 5, 10, 20 years. Places like the internet didn't exist until a couple decades ago and now arguably the internet is one of the biggest creators in terms of jobs and careers. Who knows what next invention or culture shift will be and what the ripple effect in terms of job allocation will be."

Very fair point. But I do think it's crazy (and highlights some major problems with our system) that, with automation growing, rather than rejoicing at this technology that has the potential to make all of our lives a hell of a lot easier, people are freaking out at losing their livelihoods.

"If we just invest in alternative means of acquiring energy we could create millions of new jobs and we wouldn’t need UBI while simultaneously helping the environment"

yeah thats my biggest gripe with trump tbh, he seems to the think the solution to unemployment is doubling down on industries that the free market has already rendered redundant, when the solution is obviously to start working on the new renewable-based power grid

that policy direct just reflects the hold the lobbyists have on government, drain the swamp lul

Nordic-style capitalism/social democracy is an outlier is so many regards though: they've been propped up by their oil industry and it's profits, Norway is only 5 million people and would be on the smaller end of states in the US and they have assimilation in culture and ethnicity relative to places like the US that are very diverse. Implementing a Nordic style government in the US on a macro level just seems impossible to me.

thats one of your more reasonable comments ive seen you make sinternet, cheers

"yeah but literally no one said progressives = communists so lets be adults and not skew each others words"

uh u implied that progressives are communist sympathizers at the very least

"two tactics ignorant people do to try and shut down discussion:

1) skew words

when that fails

2) mock

never a direct response because they have nothing to respond with

you want to be sympathetic to communism go live in venezeuela and tell me how well the people are doing there"

nobody's shutting down discussion, stop being a pussy. ur being just as snarky as anyone else in this thread. it's sputnikmusic.com ffs

also here u are accusing ppl in this thread of being communist sympathizers

"If we just invest in alternative means of acquiring energy we could create millions of new job"

I can get behind this, why we haven't tapped into solar power is beyond me

@SCREAM! Automation is a real issue and will most definitely have repercussions, my comment was definitely more on the optimism side but I'm definitely not looking past the negative externalities of automation which could cause mass unemployment in the very near future.

" also here u are accusing ppl in this thread of being communist sympathizers"

dont act like you didnt react emotionally to the fact socialism was being trashed, you REEEED super hard misreading what i was saying

@investing in new sources of energy idea

That would create jobs but also cost a lot in non-renewable sectors, no? Likely a positive plus/minus ratio but enough to combat something like automation?

"That would create jobs but also cost a lot in non-renewable sectors, no? Likely a positive plus/minus ratio but enough to combat something like automation? "

for sure and if we dont want to directly invest in the new system with public money thatd be fine the free market would take care of it anyway, the problem is trump is impeding that process with tariffs and investing in non-renewables (oil and gas still being the number one provider of republican funding)

the lobbyists are impeding progress and ultimately contributing to unemployment at home 100% (not mention the environmental issues)

"dont act like you didnt react emotionally to the fact socialism was being trashed, you REEEED super hard misreading what i was saying"

um no, idgaf about socialism but ok. I misread what u said cuz what u said was so tangential to the original discussion that it made no sense, not cuz u "thrashed" socialism lmao

sure bro

you all have aids

Doctuses hates and is afraid of gay people confirmed

so anyway do we think kanyes album is gonna be a trainwreck or what

hoping for the best, expecting the worst

Investing in new ideas is what capitalism and a sound economy thrive on. If we kept using the same technology I would not be able to type this comment and I would need to ride my horse six miles to the nearest well for water just for that day.

As far as Kanye West and his album I don’t care at all. As expressed in my first comment I just want him to go away l.

i miss the old kanye

straight from the gold Kanye

you got a pretty mouth there boy

it's hard to believe the insightful and introspective Kanye from early in his career could descend into such inanity

dude is going senile in his early 40's

Kanye has been saying fucked up shit his whole career, the fact people on the left think he's just becoming unhinged now because he's spewing stuff that people who tend to lean right associate with is just silly. The dude literally said the President of the US didn't care about black people live on tv.

he was always a narcissist and said and did crazy things...but he seemed to have a grasp on reality at the end of the day

"slavery was a choice" is not a left/right issue...at least I hope. it is just absurdly outlandish, even for Kanye

So... the headline about Kanye being on infowars was a lie

FAKE NEWS

I LOVE DAZ I LOVE THE CRIPS I LOVE THE BLOODS I LOVE EVERYBODY

Kanye's totally scared of Daz lmao. I fear for Daz though, I don't want him getting into trouble for this :[[[[ The police already came to his house for rants lol

Bullshit. The guy walked on stage when another person was accepting an award to say someone else deserved it. The dude has never been a beacon of rational thought and to argue otherwise is asinine.

I also find it fascinating how Kanye can say the President hates Black People and the left scrambles to support him and give nuance to his thoughts but now with this "400 years a slave" comments there is no nuance, it's black and white, he thinks blacks chose to be slaves all along. I think the comment was pretty stupid and not well thought out at all, but it's funny how depending on who's agenda his words serve he's either given a chance to explain himself and given nuance or his words are labeled as the worst interpretation imaginable.

Also I find it hysterical how people like Laura Ingraham (who's a nutjob) gets flack for telling Lebron to shut up and dribble and the left is appalled and thinks anyone should be able to speak their mind politically, but then after Kanye's words Maxine Waters essentially tells him to shut up and rap.

Liberal media is hypocritical as fuck agreed. Especially when it comes to words they don’t like.

Hypocrites on both sides tbh

Just look at the whole Michelle Wolf uproar

Oh for sure, hypocrites on both sides for sure. I tend to lean right myself and the unraveling of the morally superior Christian Conservative right is second to none.

revenue for corporate media continues to dwindle as people use free content so the clickbait machine just becomes more and more clickbaity, more opinion pieces less direct information

im slightly left of center according to how id describe myself and those poli compass tests but slightly left of center is viewed as conservative these days it seems as much of the left has gone full irrational in NA at least

liberal used to mean liberty = free speech

But the secondary free sources are starting to be regulated in scary ways. Zuckerburg just came out saying they're implementing a new system where they rank the credibility of news sources, that can't go wrong at all.... It's also a scary precedent for Facebook for them because if they begin regulating their content then they essentially are defining themselves as an online publisher instead of a tech company.

There should be like a mass exodus from Facebook. Like on August 14th or something everyone just deletes their Facebook. It would make zuccfucc and a bunch of big wigs scared out of their bones.

@JWT ok so the worst interpretation of "the president hates black people" doesn't even come close to even the most charitable interpretation of "400 years of slavery was a choice". like not even on the same plane. ur really reaching with this false equivalency. I also seem to remember him getting blasted all over the news over his Katrina comments

nobody is denying that he's always been a bit "out there" so to speak. that's the whole implication anyway when ppl say he's "lost it"...as in he's finally tipped over the edge. put it this way, do u think 2005 Kanye would say some shit like that about slavery? hell no

like honestly, what nuancy is there with ""When you hear about slavery for 400 years . . . For 400 years? That sounds like a choice.You were there for 400 years, and it's all of y'all. It's like we're mentally imprisoned.". the best attempt I've seen to find the nuance in it in this thread (I think it was u actually) was that he means ppl are still slaves today. honestly, from the context I just don't see it. I watched the whole clip to see if o wasn't missing anything...nope, still as bad. One of the most appalling things I've heard anyone say

yeah facebook slipped up with the cambridge analytica stuff and gave the machine an excuse to enforce controls, but ultimately FB or otherwise i think relatively clear information streams will reign on the internet in some ever evolving form

i think reddits system is more or less the perfected one tbh, democratic

So that new album should be good. I'm thinking 15 min songs.

tbf if kanye had just explicitly said he thinks black people could have done more to combat slavery it wouldnt be that crazy a statement (not saying i agree whatsoever) but he's trying to be one of these edgy conservative internet personalities with his use of language in the "slavery was a choice" thing

ultimately lets be real, its purposeful publicity for his upcoming album

Haha I'm not defending his words dude, but this idea of how he's "changed" and he's going senile now is ridiculous; the fact that people are surprised Kanye said this to me is more telling, like hello, the dude's spat crazy shit his whole career, sure this may take the cake but for one I'm not shocked.

YO TAYLOR IMA LET U FINISH BUT

My honest hot take goes with what chuck said, I think Kanye admires how Donald Trump went from being a joke to now having a stalwart fan base and I think that his primary mindset is to sell records, and what better way then to get 40 million trump die hards to buy your record just so they can give liberals the middle finger. It'd be the second greatest con job next to Trump becoming President. Heard this once and I think it rings true: "conservatives would eat shit if it meant Liberals had to smell their breath".

all that being said i 100% understand people being annoyed with him over it, as much as free speech entails he has a right to say it it entails anyone has a right to call him out on it, this is how the thing regulates itself

yeah for real its the trump business model, any press is good press

Yeezy is prob trying to see if he can get Sean Hannity, Alex Jones, and all the right wing talking heads to market his album for him, because knowing them and how they're shills they'll tell their whole fanbase at the drop of a hat to buy something if they think it'll upset liberals.

"Haha I'm not defending his words dude, but this idea of how he's "changed" and he's going senile now is ridiculous; the fact that people are surprised Kanye said this to me is more telling, like hello, the dude's spat crazy shit his whole career, sure this may take the cake but for one I'm not shocked."

he was showing signs of cracking around the time of 808's imo and has been on a slow descent ever since, it's not like he suddenly lost it in 2018 because of trump lol. anybody who thinks that is deluded

I'm just astonished that the decline has been this steep. I wouldn't expect what he said from anybody really. I imagine even the dudes from Arghoslent clutched their mjolnir pendants at what he said

""slavery was a choice" is not a left/right issue...at least I hope. it is just absurdly outlandish, even for Kanye"

I don't know I feel like his words were taken too much at face value and he didn't get enough time to clarify what he had said

normally I don't like these youtube vids but this guy (who is black) breaks it down well, but who knows if this is what Yeezy actually meant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjxiI0Di_zc

Get out of here MO with some rational thought, there's absolutely zero nuance to his words that he said off the cuff in a TMZ interview.

I just watched the video you posted MO and that guy gave a really good explanation, and I think he hots the nail on the head for what Kanye was going for.

neva!!

I really couldn't give a fuck less about his political views (and I'm pretty much convinced that he's just cynically exploiting twitter controversy) but his antics have way, way, way surpassed his status as a musician at this point, at least in my opinion. He's just annoying me and I used to be a huge fan.

Really? Him tweeting and simply giving his opinion in interviews and on twitter is more upsetting then being rude and upstaging people at award shows, using a charity event to call out the President of the US and countless other examples from his past? I guess acting like an ass and being rude was fine, but speaking his mind and giving controversial opinions is a bridge too far... again, I'm not defending Yeezy, I just am dumbfounded on how this was the straw that broke the camels back. If anything people are just proving conservatives right on how people who lean right are treated differently in the public eye. Act rude and interrupt Taylor at an awards show, call the President a racist, no big deal, spout conservative principles on your own accord and respectively on social media and in interviews, uncalled for...

yea I guess the nuance is a fake Harriet Tubman quote and the semantics of "they didn't choose to be slaves...they chose not to free themselves...uh because of intense physical and psychological oppression".

all of which Kanye never said himself mind you, and is merely an interpretation. even if that was really what he meant, it's still an incredibly inane and denigrating way to phrase something that's self evident. yea obviously slaves found it hard to escape because of the obscene physical and mental torture they had to endure...which was designed precisely so they couldn't escape. why would u even call that a choice and implicitly chastise them for not escaping sooner? shit, I'm not rocking with this "nuanced" interpretation either

I can get behind the dude in the video and what he's saying. I might not agree with him everything hes saying, but it seems like he's genuinely trying to find a solution to a problem. the problem is Kanye sounds like he's just putting down his people to take him feel better. words are powerful, and when you have the platform that Kanye does you have to choose them carefully. nobody should have to try to find deeper meaning to things you have put in very plain terms. leave that for your lyrics and art

Maybe both sides are wrong, maybe both sides are wrong to rush to either crucify or herald him as a hero? Maybe instead of rushing to judgement responsible journalists should ask for clarification on what he meant, because it's clear from the reactions that there can be multiple interpretations ranging from utterly offensive to understandable.

I was wondering why people are still making a big deal out of this, then I remembered it's becasue he is a god.

"the problem is Kanye sounds like he's just putting down his people to take him feel better."

I think he's saying black people have been pawns in politics for so long and they can start thinking for themselves. it's almost like they are sick of the over-politicising and use of the words racist/bigot and not everything is about skin colour

he could have just said that then lol. I mean it would still be extremely flawed and patronizing (do black people not already think for themselves??), but it's not really outlandish

but it's such a far cry from what he actually said. I really doubt Kanye West of all people can struggle so spectacularly to say what he actually means. it's literally his profession

he meant what he said cause his profession is selling music and that got him attention

Big mouth strikes out again 2

"but it's such a far cry from what he actually said. I really doubt Kanye West of all people can struggle so spectacularly to say what he actually means. it's literally his profession"

Have you seen his interviews the past 10-15 years? He's one of the hardest people to follow their train of thought in interviews, look no further to his Ellen Degeneres interview years ago where he said he was dead.

yeah i think around the time of that ellen interview he was actually having a nervous breakdown, he was doing some weird shit at shows too and ultimately ended up in a mental hospital

"Have you seen his interviews the past 10-15 years? He's one of the hardest people to follow their train of thought in interviews, look no further to his Ellen Degeneres interview years ago where he said he was dead."

lol I remember that. he was on that dmx steez, with the hand gestures and everything

he was saying some weird shit that nobody even understood then. he was quite clear at TMZ and wasn't just ranting, but debating other people. I saw his 2 hour interview with charlegmane the other day and he was very lucid in the way he expressed himself. he didn't say anything of substance really, but he was clear. he can say what he's thinking, and definitely has no qualms about doing so (ask Taylor Swift). but whether those thoughts are coherent is another matter

I've got a lot of time for 'Ye...he put out one of my favorite records of all time, and was somewhat inspiring in the early 00's. but no matter how I look at this, he doesn't come out of it looking good

"they did a study in Finland recently which basically put a huge number of people on a UBI and it cost way more than the benefits since people got lazy and didn't want to do anything because they didn't really have to"

it's amazing that a random sputniker is privy to the unreleased study data and it lines up neatly with his ideological stance on the issue

hmm it's almost like he crossed a line

"Have you seen his interviews the past 10-15 years? He's one of the hardest people to follow their train of thought in interviews, look no further to his Ellen Degeneres interview years ago where he said he was dead. "

Yeah he was pretty clearly off on something during that interview (he's recently mentioned having dealt with addiction so I don't know if that could be it). He and Ellen played a game afterwards and Kanye was answering a bunch of nonsense and laughing to himself

Do people shitting on him actually think he meant slaves in the 18th/19th century had a choice in the matter? I genuinely don't know at this point

he also said he was fucked up off opioids while tweeting last week after his liposuction

"Do people shitting on him actually think he meant slaves in the 18th/19th century had a choice in the matter? I genuinely don't know at this point"

Yes because thats exactly what he meant. He doubled down on this sentiment in a few tweets which he then deleted. One of them said "my point is that for us to have stayed in that position even though the numbers were on our side means that we were mentally enslaved"

And if that wasnt bad enough he tweeted a fake quote from Harriet Tubman. So yeah L for Kanye who clearly thinks that slavery was just a numbers game.

But hey if anyone feels like they can find the nuance in that statement go ahead and try to get water from that stone

Eh his point was that if a plantation had 1,000+ slaves, they realistically could maybe overthrow the plantation owners with some casualties. But it didn't happen, and that's because slaves were very much abused on all levels: physically, emotionally, spiritually, intellectually, etc.

I think Kanye's approach on this dumb as hell and he used a terrible example, but I think his core concept about how people can be mentally beaten down and held down bears some truth and I think that's what he was trying to say, he just said a mouthful of really stupid shit.

^tr00f

"Interesting that former supporters of him seem to have instantly turned their backs as soon as he announced his support of t_d despite sticking through the rest of his insane antics from the beginning... :thinking:"

I'm still sticking by him cause I'm an actual fan of his music, not the reputation of it.

Isn't that something, to be able to disagree with someone's point of view but still enjoy other aspects they bring to the table. We live in a polarizing culture now, whether it be the right or the left, that if you don't check off all the boxes and completely agree with all of my ideologies then we must boycott you and shut you up.

Look no further then the recent Starbucks fiasco. Starbucks is one of the most progressive and Liberal companies in the US and the minute two black men were arrested at one of their locations people began boycotting them. On the right you had Yeti Coolers discontinue a special that affected the NRA but wasn't specifically targeted at them, they reiterated that and even offered new deals, NRA nut jobs are still boycotting and blowing up their coolers that they own.

It's dog eat dog on both sides. It's honestly scary to think how frowned upon it is on either side to think for yourself and hold multiple different views that any side may not completely agree with across the board.

This is Kanye's exact Tweet in clarification of his statement:

"Of course I know that slaves did not get shackled and put on a boat by free will. My point is for us to have stayed in that position even though the numbers were on our side means that we were mentally enslaved."

In other words, it seems like he's talking more about the 150+ years SINCE slavery was abolished than the obvious horrors that came before. His point seems to be look...it's been over a century and a half since actual slavery existed -- how are we still complaining about the same type of shit today? If we were really working as hard as possible to get past this all along, wouldn't we be a little farther past it by now?

Which is a fair point, I'd say. Obviously there's arguments on both sides, but this certainly isn't "unhinged", "deranged", "senile", or any of the other ridiculous snap judgements I've seen on here.

Even take his initial point at face value, say slave in the 1800's didn't leave because they were mentally enslaved, is that such a radical statement? Mental health is such an important topic in today's world, I can't imagine the mental abuse and fortifications put around a slave's mind back in the day. Repressed from being educated, separated from family members, whipped and made example of for the smallest infractions if none at all, having your life threatened and all you hold dear every single day, barely holding on by a thread. These people were mentally held hostage and abused, what happened to them was terrible, and after generations of repression, mental abuse and prevalent racism that has stuck around whether it be Jim Crowe and other places, I think Kanye thinks for some these mental barriers can still be in place. I think you could argue that Kanye in his mind is trying to articulate these barriers that some may not know exist or let hinder their daily lives and goals and to finally free themselves from being repressed and told they can't be successful.

@Jeet It's not what he meant at all; that's not a narrative or even a conspiracy theory, it's just unequivocally false. Even the most racist far right conspiracy nut you could find wouldn't deny that black slaves were worked against their will. It's not so much getting water from a stone as simply being aware of the relatively common modern concept that black people are subconsciously beholden to the Democratic party along with Kanye's propensity for trying (largely unsuccessfully) to condense complex ideas into trite 'deep' and often provocative phrases, not aided by using twitter as the platform for such activity.

I'm not going to debate the validity of that argument but to me it's unthinkable that anyone would actually take what he said literally, unless he really is on some strong shit or mentally unstable as other comments have alluded to, in which case there would be little point in being outraged at his ramblings in the first place.

from that tweet, it seems he means that the actual enslavement wasn't a choice (thank God, but that was already evident), but the remaining in that enslavement for however long was...which was how many ppl interpreted it to be fair. he's not talking g about the 150 years since then, unless the English language works differently now

yea, no shit they we're mentally enslaved and didn't escape...that was the whole point of the mental enslavement. it's such a redundant and inane thing to say in itself, but his wording of it is what makes it so bad. a choice? of all the words he could have used, he chose the one word that meant the opposite of what the situation was

how hard was it to say "we are mentally enslaved now just like we were 400 years ago, the difference now is we have a choice"? he said a bunch of other shit in that interview completely coherently (and even poignantly in some cases)

Because it's fucking Kanye dude lol a guy who has a track record of routinely not being able to articulate anything, whether it's rudely interrupting an award show, calling the President racist to this. What don't people get that Kanye has no chill and says ridiculous stuff.

IT'S IN MY CODE!!!!

@Keyblade if you're going to get so worked up about his initial wording even though he's already clarified his statement multiple times, then you're not trying to actually come to an understanding. You're just needlessly complaining.

Like JWT said, the guy has a long as hell history of speaking in sensationalistic, off-the-cuff remarks. This shouldn't surprise anyone.

I hope people eventually realize this dude's music is just as embarrassing as he is.

his clarification was just a reiteration of what he said tho lol. he didn't even say he phrased it wrong, just bemoaning not being allowed to think 'freely'. all he clarified was that he didn't mean the initial enslavement wasn't a choice...just the 400 years after that. yea, that was obvious the first time

I'm not feeling a way either way. I don't think he's mentally stable and I don't hold that against him, but it was still a fucked up thing to say. that's the beauty of 'free thought'. u can freely think some bullshit, and I can freely say that was some bullshit

He literally compared himself to Nat Turner in one of his tweets tho by saying "If this was 148 years ago I would have been more like Harriet or Nat"

Cmon. Theres no "well what he really meant". Nah. He said what he said because he has a poor grasp of what he's talking about.

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New track with Travis and Uzi is okay

I love how Kanye makes you guys discuss politics. Adorable

theres some sort of ongoing political discussion going on somewhere on this site at all times more or less

And it generally has a 90% chance of giving you a brain aneurysm

Can't relate to it anyway. Blessed

adorable

I know right

"like honestly, what nuancy is there with ""When you hear about slavery for 400 years . . . For 400 years? That sounds like a choice.You were there for 400 years, and it's all of y'all. It's like we're mentally imprisoned.". the best attempt I've seen to find the nuance in it in this thread (I think it was u actually) was that he means ppl are still slaves today. honestly, from the context I just don't see it. I watched the whole clip to see if o wasn't missing anything...nope, still as bad. One of the most appalling things I've heard anyone say"

What nuance is there? Well how about the 400 years part which he stressed and repeated, considering slavery in America began 400 years ago as of 2020 and was abolished about 150 years ago. How can you not understand that he's referring to mental slavery in a contemporary context if you know these things? You have to be purposefully misunderstanding him or not know history for that to be the case.

Half baked reference i see u

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