I hate that I keep getting this band mixed up with the actual really good band Today is the Day and worrying that they did something stupid. This band really just fucking sucks and really just dig themselves a deeper whole with shit like this.

never heard of the band but they can go and fucking die

Gay news article andcas

props to andcas for still paying attention to these dudes

kim's favourite band

And that blog post is deleted, apparently. Ha.

I was wondering why this mattered and then I saw this is a Christian band, and I rolled my eyes...

christianity has no place in music

lol latest album has jesus's face

I hear gay people suck dick.

thought this was today is the day at first

oh well

Same Kman. I constantly get them confused but we both know which one is the better band.

I really wouldn't say this is them hating gays. He blatantly says gays shouldn't marry because they aren't compelled by God, just like heteros who aren't told by God shouldn't be allowed to marry. Of course, this logic is retarded and he is saying that it's not about love, but about what God says but he still isn't hating on gays any more than heteros who aren't in love with God

"While this is a very noble cause, it's rather hard to take seriously considering the band has yet to come out and openly declare that homosexuality isn't a sin."

Wait...what? It's hard to take an anti-human-trafficking message seriously because of a difference of opinion on a completely different topic?

God I hate people like this.

Wait...what? It's hard to take an anti-human-trafficking message seriously because of a
difference of opinion on a completely different topic?

who cares...
if you are gay you are gay...
if you publicly bash a way of life then be prepared for the consequences...
don't hide behind others though...
that said, if someone hates gays, who cares...
just don't insult one of them gays directly or commit illegal crimes against them..
they are easily butt hurt even though the male gays are the ones who like sticking things up their butt...
so really none of this stuff makes sense to begin with so I go back to...
who cares.....

that said, this band is okay, and they are also okay live 2.5/5

Is shit like this really what makes the newsfeed now?

yeah lucy-cas you have lots of splainin to do!!!! investigative journalism is not allowed on sputnik nor on any networking of information that wishes to enter the mainstream. to question is to kill your suck up potential!!!!

Wait...what? It's hard to take an anti-human-trafficking message seriously because of a
difference of opinion on a completely different topic? (3)

also very confused.

Article is stupid as fuck

Article is stupid as fuck [2]

andcas articles are worse than cancer

I think it says something when you can predict when an article is an andcas article and be right almost all the time

Andcas articles cause cancer.

Love you Andcas.

not really sure how not supporting gays due to a religious belief nullifies an opinion on human trafficking. i'd say that anybody that believes that is pretty fucking dumb honestly.

when has andcas ever exhibited any sort of intelligence anyways?

hey don't insult defend pop punk warrior

The douche is entitled to his opinion and has the freedom to express it online as much as I disagree with it.

Band's pretty gay though amirite

andcas is an alright guy but yeah his news articles are atrocities 97% of the time

Andcas bringing unbiased news as always. Gonna have to start calling him Hannity.

fair and balandcased

Gay news article andcas [2]

So it's suddenly not okay for bands to state opinions? I don't care if a band is pro-homosexual marriage or anti-homosexual marriage, the members have a right to state their opinions.

This article is crazy biased, andcas.

gay band

"the members have a right to state their opinions."

yeah and we also have the right to say they're fucking dumb and should die

Uhm, it's their right too, but that doesn't mean others don't have the right to call them out for their bigoted and harmful opinions.

put it this way, if a band came out as anti-Semitic, I bet most people wouldn't be so quick to jump to their defense.

Montgomery deleted his homophobic blog entry
http://www.mattiemontgomery.com/archives/492


lolzz

Well, when the opinions are fuckin' dumb and rather bigoted (he can say otherwise all he likes) people should be aware of it.

It's 20 fucking 13, how do people like this still exist

I think the answer's pretty obvious.

"So it's suddenly not okay for bands to state opinions? I don't care if a band is pro-homosexual marriage or anti-homosexual marriage, the members have a right to state their opinions.

This article is crazy biased, andcas."

how is it biased to call a bigot out for being a bigot

also, coming out against human trafficking?

so brave.

this is not news. not noteworthy news anyway

Gay news article andcas [3]

it's a niche music website. I think it qualifies.

And the reason why he claims to not support it is even fuckin' dumber than not supporting it for homophobic reasons.

i find it funny that ever since i realized i'm gay i've literally stopped caring about homophobia or lgbt rights and shit at all like it genuinely upset me more when i thought i was straight so i dunno whats up with that

you're all cisgender scum anyway

@Kman u gotta keep fighting the good fight.

India just criminalized gaysex again. it now carries a 10 yr max sentence lol

no i mean like if i'm ever in a situation where someones trying to argue with me about it or some shit like that ofc i'll stand up for lgbt rights and shit but like this or people just casually using faggot or gay as a blanket term for shitty things really doesn't even phase me anymore

its kinda the same thing to me, like i used to get upset about it but im pretty sure that's mostly cause i felt like i had to but then eventually i just stopped caring, i didn't realize i was bi until a little later though

yeah, it's a part of the vernacular that's hard to avoid, I can see becoming desensitized to it.

i have a fetish for hairy buttholes, if that counts

"Raise your hand if you jerk it to trannies"

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I'm transspeciesxual. Ever since infancy I've known that I was a honey badger trapped in the body of a male homo sapien. That said I've determined that the surgery just isn't worth it since I just don't give a shit.

"While this is a very noble cause, it's rather hard to take seriously considering the band has yet to come out and openly declare that homosexuality isn't a sin."

Are you kidding me? Way to purposefully stretch that...

sin is made up

OK?

yes

Fascinating.

Shit band anyways.

Time to jam Callout by Attila

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW4HKYmVSxk

"yeah, it's a part of the vernacular that's hard to avoid, I can see becoming desensitized to it. "

I wouldn't say i'm desensitized from it -- I still get very annoyed when I see people pretending they care about this subject matter a whole lot more than they actually do

well said

For Nongays

"While this is a very noble cause, it's rather..."
Using the "tu quoque" fallacy isn't even right when the two things are relevant to eachother.
I am a Christian and I believe lots of things are sin. Everyone has sinned so I don't treat anyone differently. Am I a biggot? That's what conservative Christians believe. This Reynolds guy probably sounded more like the infamous Westboro baptist church, so yeah there is a difference. Some people seem to have no room for Christians in their perfect world where everyone agrees.

this will have 200-400 comments when i wake up i can feel it

I don't care for the band, but I might just read it. You're mad because God doesn't tell gays to marry when He already said it's a sin? What part of this premise is so perplexing? Christianity in 10 seconds: Perfect world + Everyone sinned = chaotic world. Sinners (everyone) + God's love (Jesus) = new life in friendship with God. God doesn't sin so Christians don't want to either.

There will always be people opposed to homosexuality and gay marriage, legalised or not. The worst
thing you can do is give them attention.

Good too see andcas still shit-news posting

I do need help. What red flags, andacas? That someone might believe something you don't?

ignore these homophobes andcas they will never bring u down

All he said was no sex outside of marriage between man and woman. I know, it's dangerously radical ideology. Call me homophobe! My favorite singer is Rob Halford! I'm not kidding.

Is this news?

Dredging up old blog posts = somewhat pointless article.

dont question andcas bitch

@Andacas I judge a singer for his singing, I judge myself by what I believe, and I let God judge people based on their personal relationship with Him. What do you judge Christians by? The acts of a minority of radicals?

wew lad this one ain't gon' be pretty

Who cares that For Today doesn't like gays, they are christian band after all I mean its not like it is really surprising.

Honestly, there are countless amounts of gay people in this scene. So much support for gays comes from this sort of scene and yet they advertise their political views to this scene. Idiots.

This band is gay.

To me this didn't come across as him hating gays as much as it did him being a total idiot. He states his beliefs pretty clearly; he thinks that society's practice of marriage regardless of sexuality is fundamentally flawed, according to the bible. Presumably, if he witnessed a homosexual marriage that was "godly", he would consider it ok..?...

...lol who am i kidding. What a dick.

not really sure how not supporting gays due to a religious belief nullifies an opinion on human trafficking. i'd say that anybody that believes that is pretty fucking dumb honestly. [2]

While i agree that these guys are idiotic, hypocritical scum, that shouldn't discount the good things that they might do.

andcas why do you do this on your freetime? lol

The comments against this band are a million times more "intolerant" than anything Mattie Montegomery said in his essay. All he did was respectfully state his personal opinion (which lines up with his spiritual beliefs) and the entire internet turns into a bunch of whiny cry babies.

They new video is rad by the way, and I've never liked anything else they've released.

I swear, some people on this site would listen to hitler's music if he made a good album

If we had a Amish hardcore band ranting about how we are all mindless morons and going to hell for using cell phones, I would not give a shit. When we have vegan death metal/hardcore bands screaming about how we're horrible people for eating meat, I do not give a shit. When we have a metalcore band screaming about gay marriage being wrong, I do not give a shit.

This is just a cry baby butthurt internet tantrum because 50% of the internet had to go to youth group when they were 15

One of the early Burzum albums has 1000+ ratings and is at a 4.3 currently. Kind of because the album is really good and his personal bullshit doesn't change that in any way. If Hitler made really good chocolate would you say it tasted bad just because he made it? I wouldn't, I'd eat that shit up and tell him he should probably lay off the Jews after I finished wiping my mouth.

lol christians are a trip. So if someone legitly believed that god commanded them to be gay and hand chose who they would love, he, an oracle of heaven, would be all for it?
ok, its not bigotted like the dude they booted, ill give him that. but it does rank as one of the most idiotic thing ive heard

sweet andcas is like best user tho [2]

"This is just a cry baby butthurt internet tantrum because 50% of the internet had to go to youth group when they were 15"

um okay, congratulations. this may come as a surprise to you but other people aren't you. or didn't you know?

^ Burzum literally murdered humans. With his bare hands. The music community just thinks it's "super death metal". For Today states an opinion and tears begin flowing like fountains.

also lol @ social justice warrior buzzwords like "bigot"

"One of the early Burzum albums has 1000+ ratings and is at a 4.3 currently. Kind of because the album is really good and his personal bullshit doesn't change that in any way. If Hitler made really good chocolate would you say it tasted bad just because he made it? I wouldn't, I'd eat that shit up and tell him he should probably lay off the Jews after I finished wiping my mouth."

okay but what exactly does this have to do with anything?

would rather suck a cock than listen to xian metalcore anyway

" okay but what exactly does this have to do with anything?"

"I swear, some people on this site would listen to hitler's music if he made a good album"

"Christian metalcore"

I doubt I could ever enjoy a genre with this name.

For Today are human waste.

As for the "right to express their opinion." We also have the right to talk about how shitty they are as human beings. They're bigots and religion is cancer, this article is a perfect example as to why what I say is true.

"as for the "it's not a relating argument", this band is "standing up for" human rights, while denying them to a certain
group.

so while "far removed to some" it does make sense in the end. "

ok but they're still allowed to speak out against human trafficking and i still back them for that. they don't like gays. while i completely disagree with that sentiment it in no way affects what i think of their beliefs on human trafficking because, whether you think so or not, they are unrelated. entirely. my girlfriend likes some music that i find to be terrible, but she also likes a lot of things that are really good so if she recs me something she thinks i will like i'm going to give it a shot because her liking things i don't doesn't nullify her opinion. probably not the best analogy but fuck it.

also i didn't realize so many people on this site were bi/gay

band's gay

The comments against this band are a million times more "intolerant" than anything Mattie Montegomery said in his essay. All he did was respectfully state his personal opinion (which lines up with his spiritual beliefs) and the entire internet turns into a bunch of whiny cry babies. [2]

^ Burzum literally murdered humans. With his bare hands. The music community just thinks it's "super death metal". For Today states an opinion and tears begin flowing like fountains.

also lol @ social justice warrior buzzwords like "bigot" [2]

Both Burzum and For Today are fucking terrible. Stop trying to be cool and hipster you degenerate fucknugget

Not defending the dude because I don't know why he thinks he has the right too preach about his beliefs as if he's some figurehead for Christianity, but he never said anything "homophobic" or spewed any sort of hate. People are way overreacting. All he did was say he personally doesn't believe in any kind of marriage (gay or not) that isn't commanded by God. I don't see how that's hateful at all. You're entitled to think he's crazy for his beliefs, but I don't think he's a bigoted asshole.

All he did was say he personally doesn't believe in any kind of marriage (gay or not) that isn't commanded by God.

Marriage predates organized Christianity. So he just proved himself to be an idiot along with a bigot. Some people just were never able to break free of the oppressive nature of religion.

"For Today are human waste.

As for the "right to express their opinion." We also have the right to talk about how shitty they are as human beings. They're bigots and religion is cancer, this article is a perfect example as to why what I say is true."

The bigotry and hate towards religious people in this post itself is astounding for someone who is trying to act 'accepting' of others (in this case, the LGBT community). A great example of irony.

lol

How the fuck is early Burzum terrible?

The bigotry and hate towards religious people in this post itself is astounding for someone who is trying to act 'accepting' of others (in this case, the LGBT community). A great example of irony.

Irony? That's your best defense against my post? I'm not trying to accept people who are anti-gay. If they have those opinions, let them have them. Doesn't mean I have to accept them. Get the fuck over it, go back to having your mom read you a bible verse. Bigotry will be called out in today's world.

And you are literally being more bigoted than he was.

How is boiling down all homosexual relationships to simply carnal desire anything resembling "respectful"?

"christianity has no place in music"
August Burns Red, Living Sacrifice and Life in Your Way disagree.

So he is "hating" homosexuals for having an opinion that doesn't meet what is becoming the social norm? Excellent reasoning.

Who cares

Let me get this straight... You watched a music video from an openly Christian band that showed one second of a poster that was some how offensive to the gay community and you decided to create a whole news article about it, even though it's highly irreverent to any sort of news (especially since the music video came out 3 days ago) and the only reason you did this was so spark up controversy.

After watching this video, I saw the REAL message For Today was trying to get across. It's about children forcing to be sex slaves in 3rd world countries... But there's always some douche bag trying to misinterpret things to start arguments.

Good job andcas.

Well done andcas, but i can't help but feel like people are only forcing Mattie to go against his beliefs and speak something that is not on his mind with all this crap. I don't think his beliefs on sexuality have anything to do with the credibility of the band's new video's message (human traffic). I think Matt's rambling itself though, really shows what Matt thinks about homosexuality and even though i disagree and begin feeling Matt is actually just another closed minded fanatic christian, it's his opinion and i'm pretty sure he's already struggling with that enough. No point picking on him for it, let the man be.

"How is boiling down all homosexual relationships to simply carnal desire anything resembling "respectful"?" [1000000000000]

/thread

This is sad

Agreed Trebor. But oh well

#godhatesfags

wheres emim

"One of the early Burzum albums has 1000+ ratings and is at a 4.3 currently. Kind of because the album is really good and his personal bullshit doesn't change that in any way. If Hitler made really good chocolate would you say it tasted bad just because he made it? I wouldn't, I'd eat that shit up and tell him he should probably lay off the Jews after I finished wiping my mouth."

lmfao

And hey it's accurate too. Sarcasticbastard and Italianstallion said it basically. I mean this
shouldn't be a reason for anyone to even see the band diferently, it's the dudes opinion after all. I
hadn't even ruled out that a die hard christian such as Matt had an opinion any different, on
homosexual relationships.

It's a really good thing they make shit music

"Christian metalcore"

Well wait herein lies the problem

"Christian"

Well wait herein lies the problem

lol at all of the people defending these guys and saying they're "standing up for human rights." If they cared so much they'd stop being nit-picky about which humans deserve rights and realize we all deserve them.

Christian logic

the magic man in the sky only loves certain people

infallible logic, really

I mean, c'mon. It's almost 2014

So he can't worship his God because you don't believe in what his God has told him, and somehow he's the asshole? Y'all are a bunch of fascist idiots.

Oh you guys.

and if these right wing Christian muppets would get their head out of their ass and read a science book, they might learn that homosexuality is a biological and statistical certainty. However, I guess it's easier to be scared of that homo that always wants to suck your asshole dry

"So he can't worship his God because you don't believe in what his God has told him, and somehow he's the asshole? Y'all are a bunch of fascist idiots."

When, exactly, did anybody say he can't worship his god? I don't think anybody here particularly gives a shit who worships what so long as they're respectful about it and don't shove it down others' throats. And let's face it, if this band doesn't shove their beliefs down people's throats, I don't know who the fuck does.

If it wasn't for christianity we'd probably be chilling with aliens in space by now

If it wasn't for christianity we'd probably be chilling with aliens in space by now

"So he can't worship his God because you don't believe in what his God has told him, and somehow he's the asshole? Y'all are a bunch of fascist idiots."

You see, that's the thing. His god hasn't "told" him anything.

God told me to skin you alive

i say anyone with the IQ of a pigeon, who is going to twist the teachings of their "god" to go hatemongering on groups of people that are minding their own business should be disallowed from worship, even though that's technically impossible yea

world would be better off if this were at all possible

thanks Andcas.

Always forget how many edgy, atheist users are on this site until an article like this shows up.

Keep fighting the good fight, guys.

yep because only atheists don't like christians

last time i checked no one likes christians

>tfw not even an atheist and I hate these guys

I don't hate christians either. I just hate assholes.

same thing itt

"that guy possesses common sense and compassion toward his fellow man" = "he must be an atheist"

the magic man in the sky only loves certain people [2]

If it wasn't for christianity we'd probably be chilling with aliens in space by now
[2]

Fuck this band.

"So he can't worship his God because you don't believe in what his God has told him, and somehow he's the asshole? Y'all are a bunch of fascist idiots."
[2]

Anyone ever read the Bible? Because it's pretty explicitly stated that homosexuality is a sin. Just sayin. If you're gonna call yourself a Bible-following Christian, I say props to you for taking a biblical stance that is going to make the rest of the world hate you.

that bible written by men who possessed the key to all of the mysteries of the universe

Well, no, he's correct.

If he's truly following the Christine doctrine -- then it'd be a bigger concern for him to be judged
by his God rather than worry about the judgments and opinions of people.

As unfortunate and disappointing as it is for him to be hating gays - at least he's sticking with his
convictions and word of the Bible and not faltering in his beliefs and understandings because society
tells him he's a bigot.

sound logic

Doesn't the bible also say you should kill your kids if they look at you wrong and slavery is OK and shit

sounds pretty logical to me, Trebs

wow

i mean i know the atlantic ocean is pretty huge but i never thought there were people over there who took the bible, word for word, as exact truth

they all died out about 50 years ago over here

I think the bible talks about what to do if your wife fucks a goat.

Because that's totally a problem in a modern, advanced society.

word for word for word and them some. scary times up in this bitch

noah took two of every animal and put them on a boat dude it fucking happened

Even though we discover like 5 new species of animal a week, he somehow put those fuckers on there too

even though it's physically impossible to start a gene pool with only two animals of many species like turtles and humans and shit ah fuck

its a giant metaphor tho bro. convenient right? just like my local Kwik-E-Mart

I like how people never actually have any constructive counter arguments to atheists, they're always just like "ughh edgy atheists ughh yeah"

Christians: One second they take the bible literally, when they're called out on it, they suddenly change it all into a metaphor.

Come on you fucks it's 2013, almost 2014. Grow up, this isn't the Dark Ages.

People never really have any constructive counter arguments to anything, sadly.

there is no constructive comebacks when your beliefs are based on faith in an unknown entity. at least none that conform
to science and logic. it is what it is

it's unfortunate when they manipulate "the word of god" to serve and perpetuate their hateful insecurities

Emim's not here because it's a lost cause, dude.

I didn't realize religion was such a big deal on this website. I personally never paid much attention to any of it. It wasn't important enough to me to even consider when I was growing up.

I will say this though, most of you in this thread are reacting out of blind anger, both on the pro/con side.

For the religious: You have every right to defend what you believe. But you need to ask yourself; is this what you really believe? Is this what a deity would want you to do? Would he care? Supposedly beliefs are centered around love, acceptance and tolerance. By following an ancient book word for word, are you really doing this? What if your deity hates the bible? What if your deity hates marriage for everyone? There are a lot of questions you need to ask yourself. If you have your own individual beliefs not influenced by what's been forced on you during your life, then good for you. That's respectable. Otherwise, stop forcing your beliefs on the atheists/agnostics/homosexuals/etc.

For the non-religious: Congratulations, scientific knowledge has expended exponentially in the last 50 years alone. Yes, Medieval crusades and such repressed scientific expansion. The question is, why are you wasting your time here talking to these people who obviously aren't going to change their beliefs. You can't suddenly turn a life-long belief around in the matter of a simple internet conversation. Instead of attempting to convert them, why not try and learn more about the world? Use your scientific thinking mind for a good purpose. Let's figure out how to better the world and better the people in it. Be loving and accepting. Attacking the religious is going to breed nothing but hate.

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Agree or disagree, it is just the opinion of some random vocalist. At the end of the day, he is only hurting his own image with his outspoken views on the LGBT community. Trying to discredit him on an unrelated activity because of an old blog post seems kind of malicious though.

"Let's figure out how to better the world and better the people in it. Be loving and accepting. Attacking the religious is going to breed nothing but hate."

Yeah you're right, religious people breed enough hate on their own. They also kill in the name of their deity, torture, you know, all those things that are loving and accepting. Yes i realize this is a vast minority that do that but there is a big difference between attacking the religious and trying to make them see that their senseless violence and hate is senseless and that's what they don't fucking get. Don't like them? Fine, whatever, but quit shoving it down their fucking throats talking about how they will be condemned to hell and all that shit. I have zero problem with the concept of religion. I have a problem with most religious people because they don't know how to keep their religious beliefs to themselves, and most importantly, respectful of others that don't share their beliefs. Sure, many atheists are disrespectful too and that's something that also needs to stop but religious people don't exactly help the problem.

/rant

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jesus straight from the pit

he's fucking pissed

Andcas Is The Perez Hilton Of Scenecore...Again

somebody has to be

Andcas Is The Perez Hilton Of Scenecore...Again

It was an interesting question…one that has been around for a couple of thousand years. I was on my
way to work, driving the back streets as I do every morning on my twenty-five minute drive from the
little 5th wheel trailer I call home to the office. As I do every morning, I was listening to a
local Christian radio station during their morning call-in segment. The discussion topic for the day
was “what do you think Heaven will be like?” It was the last call that I heard before I pulled into
the parking lot that got my attention and caused me to reflect back on the centuries old question.

The caller responded something like this.


“I think Heaven is going to be like a big worship rock concert with Jesus leading the worship. And
during one of His songs, He’s going to jump out into the mosh pit!”

Jesus in the mosh pit…what a concept! For this caller, Jesus was someone who knew how to have fun…at
least the caller’s definition of fun. That was her picture of who her Savior is. And it was that
thought that led me to my reflection of the question that Christ asks His disciples – “Who do you
say that I am?” I love that question probably more than any other question that Jesus asks in the
Gospels (and He asks a lot.)

If someone would have asked me that question ten years ago, I would have said the Jesus was my
Savior and probably wouldn’t have added much more detail to my answer. The reason is simple…I didn’t
really know WHO He was, at least not personally. And my answer would have been right. He is my
Savior.

"I thought we were friends Recspecs

is this what I get for being the only sputnik user to accept your sausage fest orgy?"

Love you bby

hahahahahahaha seriously!?!? wtf is this shit? The hypocrisy from pricks like these is hilarious. More idiots spreading hate in the name of one religion or another after being indoctrinated and lead into mind numbing slavery.

This is such a shitty article

"Yeah you're right, religious people breed enough hate on their own. They also kill in the name of their deity, torture, you know, all those things that are loving and accepting. Yes i realize this is a vast minority that do that but there is a big difference between attacking the religious and trying to make them see that their senseless violence and hate is senseless and that's what they don't fucking get. Don't like them? Fine, whatever, but quit shoving it down their fucking throats talking about how they will be condemned to hell and all that shit. I have zero problem with the concept of religion. I have a problem with most religious people because they don't know how to keep their religious beliefs to themselves, and most importantly, respectful of others that don't share their beliefs. Sure, many atheists are disrespectful too and that's something that also needs to stop but religious people don't exactly help the problem. "

No-one helps the problem. The people who kill in the name of their beliefs are psychopaths. Religious or not. Genghis Khan (to my knowledge) wasn't religious, and look at what he did. Hate from either side is simply catastrophic.

yay this fucking topic again!!!!

Would this be an inopportune time to reveal that Mattie and I are part of a group that vomits on each other for pleasure on a weekly basis? We are all males and love to follow up the "Blast Session" --as we like to call them--with a nice game of Mario Party: Bukkake War.

Sincerely,
CosmicTiger

"Mario Party: Bukkake War"

My sides are blazing up right now from laughing.

Article is stupid as fuck (13)

So I can't even check out a music website without having to put up with religious debate

196 FUCK I WAS SO CLOSE

sputnikreligion

Church of the Sput

Idk guiz how can we be sure deez views aren't just............FOR TODAY

"Church of the Sput"

God, no.

"and if these right wing Christian muppets would get their head out of their ass and read a science book, they might learn that homosexuality is a biological and statistical certainty."

Gene_Wilder_Willy_Wonka.jpg

"Idk guiz how can we be sure deez views aren't just............FOR TODAY"

pun of the year 2013

If it wasn't for christianity we'd probably be chilling with aliens in space by now"


I know you're probably being mostly sarcastic, trebs, but that is patently untrue.

also yay another thread with unqualified people arguing theology

Whats this? A band with outdated ideas that the metal community largely disapproves of?

CRUCIFY THESE FUCKERS!

How is this news?

I mean, it's completely opinion riddled haha. If he did openly talk about how he hates gays that would be news, but this is all talking out of context about something Mattie said over a year ago and trying to connect it to recent events.

'I like how people never actually have any constructive counter arguments to atheists, they're always just like "ughh edgy atheists ughh yeah'

I like how atheists never have any arguments but just assume that 'god doesn't exist because science!' Dogmatic atheists and dogmatic theists are both equally idiotic.

You're all retarded, but andcas is the most retarded for rekindling arguments that don't even fucking matter because the band with said views means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Dogmatic atheists and dogmatic theists are both equally idiotic.

I'd say dumbass atheists (the ones who spout that god doesn't exist and cannot possibly exist
because there is no proof he/she/they/it does) are not equally idiotic to those who are
saying something that is already demonstrably false from basic textbook material is true, but yeah,
they're dumb as fuck too. Just not to the same degree.

I'm an atheist but any atheist who says a deist or an agnostic is wrong is making a leap of faith as
well. Lack of faith in a god is faith in science because none of this has any empirical element to
it. I just happen to default to placing the burden of proof on those claiming something more
unrecognizable to us created it all, but hey, the deists might be right. I doubt it, but it's
possible.

Mattie Montgomery, for a dude that writes a ton of songs about 'he' and 'him' it's kinda surprising
he's against dudes liking dudes.

"Realize even disbelief requires a leap of faith" --- Alexisonfire. Better sums up what I was saying.

Who fucking cares? Outdated or not, people are entitled to believe whatever they like. If you're offended by their views, don't listen to their music. Or steal it. Whatever.

DONT FUCKING. CARE

I hate everyone

Who are you to call anyone a lunatic, Pissy Pants?

Hah! Andcas urinated in his trousers. Game over.

Lakes, don't diss these people who do nothing all day. Someone has to keep the Internet on its toes!

God damn it when did this site become a fucking subreddit? Stop.

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Never heard of a change of mind? This article is over one year old and Matty deleted it because it is no longer his opinion. It's not that hard to get. But of course it is easy to jump on a hyped hatetrain, obviously.

OP has a lot of audacity using the term "incoherent rambling". This article is a mess.

he's quite an audacious fellow

"One of the early Burzum albums has 1000+ ratings and is at a 4.3 currently. Kind of because the album is really good and his personal bullshit doesn't change that in any way. If Hitler made really good chocolate would you say it tasted bad just because he made it? I wouldn't, I'd eat that shit up and tell him he should probably lay off the Jews after I finished wiping my mouth."

This was amazing. I LOL'd so hard.

a by the books christian doesn't approve of gay marriage

SHOCKING

you guys get butthurt over the silliest shit.

obviously

clearly

without a doubt

Why should their music video that raises awareness about human trafficking be rendered void because the lead singer believes that being gay is wrong? C'mon man, at least make the article a little bit professional.

...Did I miss a religious debate? Damn. Hate it when I miss these.

"Why should their music video that raises awareness about human trafficking be rendered void because the lead singer believes that being gay is wrong? C'mon man, at least make the article a little bit professional."

Agreed though.

it could have been a reality in an alternate world

can we all just adopt the church of the technochrist

The All Atheist Alliance

andcas was the guy into mlp right?

eh thats irrelevant

'Hate?' I'm pretty sure people are allowed to have their own opinions without 'hating' on someone or a group of people.

Its seems like when any talk of religion or belief is involved on this website or others every one gets their panties in a wad. Fact of the matter is none of you know for a fact if Christianity, or Buddhism, or Hinduism is true. So argue about it till you are out of breath, because it does make for good comedy to read.

wait, why does anyone care what he thinks sin is? If you're not a christian and you dont believe in the bible, why do you care so badly what his definition of sin is? You guys are surprised that a christian from a christian band believes in the bible? and why are we digging up a blog post from back in the summer? article title should be "Mattie disagreed with homosexuality before Mike tweeted about homosexuality" seriously why do you people waste your time writing articles like this.

by the way, I've never actually seen anyone from the band say anything hateful about anybody. Just because they don't have the same beliefs as you doesn't mean they hate you. I've seen them live 5 times and can honestly say they are more compassionate and loving than most bands in this scene. So how about you guys try practicing this whole "acceptance" thing that you never stop rambling about and leave the dude alone. this article has butthurt written all over it.

Ya know, I am fine with gays and all, but what I can't understand is how men do it. And I don't mean "How can you do that!? Gross!," I mean like how does a penis fit inside of another penis?

sounds kinky

once again proof that nobody outside the christian community really understands a christian perspective on issues of homosexuality...

can this "news article" be deleted already?

That's because a die hard Christian's views on homosexuals are rooted in hate and misplaced ideals. Fuck off.

Intothelight vs. intotheshit match going down

but I agree, this news article should be taken down. It's only point was to stir up a raging storm of hate comments anyway.

andcas sometimes forgot he was on sputnikmusic and not absolutepunk

and that's all right

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"That's because a die hard Christian's views on homosexuals are rooted in hate and misplaced ideals. Fuck off."


Obviously all christians are the same. Don't you know in the bible it says that its a Christian's duty to kill every homosexual? Every Muslim? Anybody who disagrees?

No. As a Christian, the belief says that if you see sin in someone, and in this case homosexuality, you should lead them away from said sin. You aren't supposed to hate on them. You aren't supposed to say death threats. As a Christian you are supposed to simply be like,

"Listen, its my belief that homosexuality is wrong, and its my job to try to lead you away from it. If you chose not to, that is your decision, and I respect it, but what I believe says that such a sin could lead you into more sin and hell. I'm still going to be your friend, love you as such, but just know that that is my belief. And if you choose to disagree with it, that is your opinion, and I respect that, for I have done what I am asked of by my God."

Only problem is more than half of the so called "Christians" in this world act in the complete opposite manner. Which is why what intotheshit comment can make sense in that aspect.

"No. As a Christian, the belief says that if you see sin in someone, and in this case homosexuality, you should lead them away from said sin. You aren't supposed to hate on them. You aren't supposed to say death threats."

...which is exactly For Today's position on it, yet people seem to equate "vocal disagreement" with "hate" these days.

'No. As a Christian, the belief says that if you see sin in someone, and in this case homosexuality, you should lead them away from said sin'

Jesus, how unbelievably patronizing of them. I'd probably rather they just hate me

there are still christians?

Who's arguing that he has no right to say it? He has every right to say it, just like I have every right to call him a bigot and a fucking moron.

that's not patronizing. To say that is patronizing is to say any belief that delves up an opinion of
what the afterlife is, or what you do to get there, is patronizing simply because they state their
opinion is true. As I said, you respect the others opinion, that is THEIR belief. Just like
Christianity is the others belief. If you are going to say that is patronzing, then the idea of
homosexuality is patronizing to every christian as it gets shoved down their throat(Which it isn't
patronizing to do so).

If we could live in a world where everybody respected each others opinions, no matter how outrageous,
then it would be so much better.

"Who's arguing that he has no right to say it? He has every right to say it, just like I have every right to call him a bigot and a fucking moron."


Although I am from the United States, I enjoy the jingoism that's in our comments. The sense that the rules and beliefs of America is the same everywhere in the world, lmao.

oh god this thread no

DUDE WAS PRESSED TO TALK ABOUT THIS; HE HAD HIS OPINION AND HAD TO VOICE IT. GIVE HIM A BREAK

END OF STORY

Nah man, this is about Mattie. That kicking out thing was with their guitarist, and that's what originated this whole thing with Mattie. Read the article closely

This thread was amazing.

vegas is taking bets on when andcas makes his triumphant return

Even if he doesn't, he went out on top.

I liked andcas, he was sweet shit

"Although I am from the United States, I enjoy the jingoism that's in our comments. The sense that the rules and beliefs of America is the same everywhere in the world, lmao. "


An American is talking about what another American said in America. That isn't jingoism.

Also, I'm only referring to what pit said, this original article is a mess and makes incredible logical leaps

Well, I can't blame those guys, band still awful but at least they are right in one thing.

So you have something agains me Verm?

What the fuck is jingoism?
Something you collect in Banjo Kazooie innit?

showing your age there you old cunt!

(Shaking fist) I'll get ya pesky buttery

Of course is just kidding and most of my comments related to certain topics can't be taken seriously.
Now seriously I don't caree about what the members of the LGBT does with their sexuality, that's not
my business, the only issue I have with that community is that they BITCHHHHHHHHHHHHH TOO
MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ABOUT EVEYRTHING, I know they have been discriminated and at that shit but even for
the most inoffensive and little jokes they loses their minds. They are not that special and they need
to understand that, besides is not necessary that those guys make a lot of propaganda about their
sexuality.

:-D

"What the fuck is jingoism?
Something you collect in Banjo Kazooie innit?"

win

I AM SPECIAL VERM DONT COME TELLING ME IM NOT SPECIAL :'

Everybody here is special buddy. LGBT community is so butthurt about everything

RIP! Andcas

Butthurt, genius.

People is so butthurt, lol

"LGBT does with their sexuality, that's not
my business, the only issue I have with that community is that they BITCHHHHHHHHHHHHH TOO
MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ABOUT EVEYRTHING, I know they have been discriminated and at that shit but even for
the most inoffensive and little jokes they loses their minds."

And it's exactly because of idiots like you making these sweeping generalizations about something you clearly have no grasp on that they have to do this.

Lol k i'll stop pretending im gay

Well it's easy to see why Verm, they're put on the spot for they're choices, hard

That "high campness" is such an endearing personality trait.
It's the one thing I love about me dad.

Well it's easy to see why Verm, they're put on the spot for they're choices, hard

Yeah I know, but this is the year 2014, homophobia in most of the cases is not tolerated at all, now
people support that community and they don't care about the sexuality as long as their are good
workers, good professionals, even in the mainstream culture and in the daily life homophobic groups
are more hated than the LGBT community. So, They souldn't care about what the others think, that's a
strategy for survival that works well; most of those guys should stop caring about inoffensive jokes
and they should live their lives.

2014 dude

Sorry, lemme correct that

@curse, While I did quote intothe, i was meaning that most all of the comments on this matter are said in such a manner that its assumed that everyone here is American, which whether or not that is true, this is Sputnik and has many different people representing different countries.

In other words, this is still the best thread pos

Chambers plz, you can't deal the epicness of my edgy comments.

Foot in mouth seems to be something this band cannot do.

Mattie actually said in an interview today he supports the government legalizing gay marriage lol

Hate? What hate?

"it's rather hard to take seriously considering the band has yet to come out and openly declare that homosexuality isn't a sin."

This doesn't even make sense. They kicked a member out for gay bashing and have stated that they don't hold the same outdated beliefs that he does. Now, let's ignore the other gay rant by the front man, because it isn't relevant to this sentence. No matter their actions, they are forced to come out and say that homosexuality isn't a sin? If anything that is just as much a breach in freedom as it is to try and stop gay couples from existing. Their opinions are harmless, and they are trying hard to keep support the community in the first pace. Whether or not they think homosexuality is a sin (which it doesn't seem they do), they are not acting in a way to offend people so I don't see why they should have their arm twisted just because they have been silent on whether or not homosexuality is a sin. If the LGBT community is trying to go beyond tolerance and legal rights then they are just as bad as the people who try to oppress them in the first place.

That being said, I don't think the LGBT community is oppressive. I don't know this band, and I support LGBT too, but damn this is horribly written. Still trying to decide if the writer is a troll, and I suspect he is trolling us all.

This isn't news, this is opinions.

I guess For Today hates pop punk...super gay

I wish this was a new article

For Today trying to be relevant and edgy to get record sales.

He had no place to say such things in his original statement, but this an apology. It doesn't change
his stance on the issue because it's not arrogance, it's a choice. He was raised on certain values
that he wants to uphold and the guy has an opinion, so lighten up. His opinion isn't popular of
course, but so what! He apologized for his bashing and he respects other people's opinions, so who the
fuck is angry about this? You don't have to like it or like him, but lighten up. This isn't a Chris
Brown situation because CB didn't even apologize!

Tbqh, he was raised on stupid values that were most likely rooted in ignorance and bigotry and are
already considered to be "outdated" by much of society. If the guy had said something about inter-
racial marriage instead of homosexual marriage, nobody would've defended him because clearly
he would've been an ignorant, bigoted, piece-of-trash human being, and a "these are my personal
religious beliefs" argument wouldn't have flew at all.

But because it's about the marriage-ability "the gays"--which is a current issue of debate
as opposed to one that was dealt with decades ago--people somehow consider it OK to defend and white
knight him/them.

pffff whatever.

Re-reading the article I was actually surprised it was Andcas, given how well it was written. lol

news articles haven't been worth reading since andcas left

RIP Andcas

Hating homosexuals, acting maliciously toward them, and voting in such a way as to consciously attempt to deny or strip them of basic civil rights is terrible and unjustifiable.

Believing that homosexuality, according to the tenets of one's religion, is neither. It is *absolutely* possible to believe that homosexuality goes against the grain of God's will while still respecting, affirming, and being friends with gay people. Yeah, that's possible—and yes, some (but not nearly enough) Christians do it. It's not hypocritical of them at all.

I'm not Christian. I'm not claiming to be one, nor am I attempting to make excuses for bigotry of any color. The fact is that it's ridiculous to ridicule people for holding a religious belief with which you disagree (something that's incredibly common here). Hating or mocking Christians for hating or mocking gays reduces you to nothing better than they are. ESPECIALLY because the statement "All Christians hate gay people" is no more true than is "All White people hate Black people."

TL;DR: The article is fundamentally flawed and steeped in prejudicial language. Hating bigots for being bigots is an expression of bigotry, which makes you a bigot. Go hate yourself.

waht is going on in here again

hahaha idk bro someone just shoot their load up my butt already im thirsty tbh

people with their minds rooted in the current century don't care about anyone's sexuality but their own

Kind of sounds like you're gonna cry about it, Tzar.

These guys are garbage and they are hate-filled bigots. It's really sad that the one who got previously kicked out also has a small child who will undoubtedly be brainwashed.

"It is *absolutely* possible to believe that homosexuality goes against the grain of God's will while still respecting, affirming, and being friends with gay people."

straight ppl

Their beliefs suck! We must teach them to be tolerant by force!

I already do hate myself. So I guess I won that argument

though there is certainly a small percentage of "believers" that are hate filled bigots, I don't think these dudes are. they would say they love all sinners. so that's what it comes down to, the sin, and the bible's interpretation of what sin is. a conservative social/evangelical stance will put a wall up against any movement or trend that may differ from specific biblical viewpoints.

thankfully some churches and many christians have evolved in the understanding that people are born gay and two consensual adults wanting to get their gay on is no one else's business. gay marriage should not be up to the government but wtv any given church feels is right for them.

don't paint any one religion with one brush. if you do then muslims are all terrorists, christians are all gay haters, and all buddhists are super chill. it's just not true.. it's extremism that is the real enemy.

gay marriage should not be up to the government

Marriage is a government-endorsed institution. Many religions endorse the sacrament of marriage, but it is through the government that "married" individuals gain additional legal benefits. I don't care what your church/temple/mosque/prayer playground's definition of "marriage" is, because it's the government's definition that ultimately matters in any society, unless its also a religion that's controlling the government. This is an issue at all because there are people that insist their specific, religiously-based moral views be law for the rest of us, which is silly.

makes sense... and I agree, religiously based moral views made law for the rest of us is silly

I'm from Canada, I think we're all good on that front but I could be wrong...Alberta?

If I knew who this was maybe I would care, but I just don't.
Other than to make this comment, my caring ends there.

I read the article the frontman posted and i didn't see shit that offended gays or anybody really.

this band is a damn mess. people like this make me frustrated that they're in my religion.

nobody cares

"Hating Gays"
"Christian"

Yeah, sounds about right.

^I hate generalizations. Statements like that are no better than slandering the LGBT community.

Classic andcas article

""Hating Gays"
"Christian"

Yeah, sounds about right."



^I hate generalizations. Statements like that are no better than slandering the LGBT community.

thought andcas came back smh

God hates flags.

yearly bumping day

andcas

no this is patrick

This thread is non-stop drama.

"^I hate generalizations. Statements like that are no better than slandering the LGBT community."

Meh I'm okay with it

band has the absolute worst fans ever

I really wish I was around to see andcas comments, they sound fun and everyone talks about him

he was a true pop punk hero, RIP in peace

rip andcas snide skelly

I don't really give a fuck what a nameless metalcore musician personally thinks about the ever so sinful homosexual lifestyle, but I am just curious here. Why are frontmen of Christian metalcore bands usually huge douche bags? At least this one didn't murder his wife.

"This thread is non-stop drama."

welcome to sput enjoy your stay