HitlerIsPissed: Pc Gaming

HitlerIsPissed 11.22.12	any PC whores around?
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	I can't stand modern gaming. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO USE THE MOUSE TO TURN?!? I've been playing FPS's for 20+ years and they were doing just fine with arrow-key controls in the 90s. Also, why are we using WASD now, what is this, 1988?! I remember how cumbersome it was back then, too. Which is why, y'know, WE STARTED USING THE ARROWS. Still waiting for games to start forcing us to use O and P or Q and E to move back and forth again, too. Those were good times, right? NOT. Also, fuck Call of Duty and Halo. /old man rant
Acanthus 11.22.12	@Return - Rebind the keys, problem solved. @Hitler - Best gaming PC's are built, not bought. If you want a quick fix go to newegg.com and browse around, if you want to be informed Google, as well as gaming/PC forums, are your friend. Also, reddit.com/r/buildapc
HitlerIsPissed 11.22.12	im not even looking to buy any FPS's for the time being, i need to take a break from that shit.
Ovrot 11.22.12	want a nice all around pc build guide I can upload it real quick
mifzal 11.22.12	PC: expensive hardwares, constant upgrading to keep up with the modern games somewhat equivalent to buying a new console! Graphics should be better than consoles but gaming companies focus more on the later!
Keyblade 11.22.12	Ever since I moved to Malaysia I've been playing mostly PC games. Until I got my Wii a couple of years ago. There are pros and cons to both platforms. The worst thing about vetting serious about PC taking is when you spend a shitload building a PC, and in a couple of years it pretty much becomes obsolete.
Masochist 11.22.12	That's a terrible generalization of PC gaming. Yes, you do have to upgrade your hardware to keep up...but you don't have to lose any of your old games in the process like you do with most consoles (I still play SimCity 3000 from time to time). With PC, you have updates and mods. With PC, you have a HUGE amount of indie games to choose from (that can be distributed from private websites by anyone instead of having to go through a certification process to be added into a console's game store). With PC, the graphics don't have limitations--you can have a game that pushes graphics to the limits and not have to adhere to the constraints of a console's hardware. And let's not forget the added bonus of simply being a computer. Also...when you really spend the money to build a PC for gaming, it can be up to date for at least five years or so (or at least be able to run the games you want to run).
Masochist 11.22.12	(That first paragraph was for mifzal).
Ovrot 11.22.12	http://i.imgur.com/BwEDa.jpg Might be a little outdated
mifzal 11.22.12	i just pointed out the double standards of gaming industry! i mean PC's could handle better games but pretty graphics are for consoles only plus they always skim out the quality for the PC versions!
Winrar 11.22.12	PC gaming is better, but in terms of price to performance ratio, console gaming is probs better. Only get PC if you intend to use it other than gaming, otherwise you are wasting your money.
Winrar 11.22.12	@Ovrot, the picture is outdated, Sandy Bridge 1155 CPUs are no longer in production. Anyways Hitler what's your budget, i'll rec you some good parts of the price range and you just pick one you find aesthetically pleasing :)
mifzal 11.22.12	i prefer consoles for multiplayer games, My preferred budget: -$700 on a new purchase, -$300 for an upgrade can anybody lend me 1000 buck?
chambered49 11.22.12	xcom i have no mouth and i must scream cs
Winrar 11.22.12	Agreed, console gaming is sick when you want to invite your mates over for some beers and a game of street fighter. PC gaming feels really distant, yeah i know there's LANs, but that's troublesome as fuck.
mifzal 11.22.12	sport games>>>>>>> Rest
Winrar 11.22.12	Playing sport > Sport Games
mifzal 11.22.12	that's true
Winrar 11.22.12	Since im bored, here is a link of my 2010 amateur gaming PC http://i.imgur.com/YVBMF.png (It is fucking horrible.) Here is a link of my first watercooling job in 2011 http://i.imgur.com/P3Pmf.jpg (major fucking improvement)
iambandersnatch 11.22.12	It can depend what kind of games/gaming you like as to whether or not PC gaming is for you. If you want to play FPS, strategy/RTS games, or MMOs, PC is superior (although consoles are pretty decent for FPS, mouse/keyboard gives you better control than you could ever have w/ a controller once you get insanely good with it). If you want to play sports games or just like to play something when friends come over, console is much better. (PC can be social though, if you make an effort to make friends on Steam or an MMO or whatever.)
HitlerIsPissed 11.22.12	sports games bore the shit out of me. @winrar im not sure. i just want a decent system that can play most games. i dont want a shitty one but im not looking for top of the line either.
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	FIFA on PC > FIFA on XboX or PS3. But that may just be because I've been playing FIFA on PC since the ides of '98. However, it was easier to figure out on PS1 than on the modern consoles, too, so maybe not. PES is better on the consoles, though, granted. So are the NHLs.
Winrar 11.22.12	Just tell me your budget and ill whip up some good builds for the price.
mvood 11.22.12	"im not even looking to buy any FPS's for the time being, i need to take a break from that shit." PC is by far the best system to play FPS on and the majority of the best PC titles are FPS so you're missing out there. Anyway, here's a few recs that aren't sports or FPS Guild Wars 2 Torchlight Terraria Cid Meier's Civ 5 Trine 2 Amnesia Bastion Minecraft DayZ (arma2 addon)
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	lol minecraft
menawati 11.22.12	Don't worry about having to upgrade a lot unless you always want to play the latest graphics monsters at resolutions and qualities that laugh at consoles. When you do need to upgrade all you usually need is a new graphics card anyway and that's cheap as long as you don't buy the latest model and really easy to do. Just make sure you get a big case and a good power supply so it's upgradeable. The biggest plus is being able to play modded games. The bigger titles usually have loads of mods and unofficial bug fix patches not long after release. Also mods that improve and expand the gameplay lots. Furthermore many older games have some incredible mods that are free and are overhauls (the total war games for example have a full LOTR mod that's better than any official release -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhBuSkVQXwA ). Also you get your games dirt cheap if you only buy during steam sales. Consoles have their own advantages too of course.
mvood 11.22.12	nothing wrong with minecraft, vanilla minecraft is good it's when they start adding all these unnecessary mods and addons
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	...except for the fact that it's basically a - a work simulation b - repetitive as hell c- unfair and d - about as pretty as an FPS from 1988.
menawati 11.22.12	Playability and addictiveness >>>> graphics quality
EvoHavok 11.22.12	Go play World in Conflict and wreak havoc to match your username.
Tyrael 11.22.12	Guild wars II, League of Legends, DoTA II
EvoHavok 11.22.12	GW2 rocks.
jdennis31 11.22.12	return to rock - wtf man. mouse and wasd is the only way to play. i remember wolfenstein 3d, that shit sucked and was so slow. everyone else - computer upgrading is pretty unnecessary. the new engines coming out do such a good job of utilizing computer hardware that i can still play dishonored at low-mid quality with no lag. my machine is 5 years old and my graphics card has been out of production for at least 2 years. to be clear, low-mid quality is pretty much what you get on xbox360 and ps3
EvoHavok 11.22.12	Except for a few games, which run worse than consoles although my system is better than that...
EvoHavok 11.22.12	Yeah, but Crysis on lowest would be pity, that game looks stunning on good settings.
jdennis31 11.22.12	that game was a benchmark test game like 5 years ago. even the cheapest systems today should be able to handle crysis at the highest settings. crysis 2 is the perfect example of developers better utilizing hardware though.
Youtellme 11.22.12	Guild Wars 2 rocks
jdennis31 11.22.12	my upgrade comment is dumb though, it mostly only applies to shooters. i still need to upgrade the graphics card so i can play more modern rts and sports games. i can play nba2k13 no lag but completely stripped down. but i mean, my graphics card is so outdated even a 60 dollar card would allow me to play games for another few years. considering i can just dl the games and not pay 60 per copy, still saving a shitload of money
EvoHavok 11.22.12	Maybe, but some say Crysis 1 looks better than 2. I only played 1 so idk...
mvood 11.22.12	"...except for the fact that it's basically a - a work simulation b - repetitive as hell c- unfair and d - about as pretty as an FPS from 1988." a. whats wrong with simulation games? I don't know of any first person sim anyway b. as is life c. what? d. call me old fashioned but I don't really care what my game looks like if I enjoy it. Not trying to say that the game is amazing because there's a lot of annoying features i.e mods and the Yogscast dominion but the game in it's own right is original and changed perceptions of modern games, not to mention that the soundtrack is lush
EvoHavok 11.22.12	Or those cool mods that make Crysis even more beautiful. I'd buy a new system just to check them out sometime if I had the money.
jdennis31 11.22.12	werd, i just assumed that it had to do with the engines since most shooters are running smoother nowadays. and i know what youre saying about a good computer, its just that even the cheapest parts today are as good as the most expensive commercial products back when crysis 1 came out. shit computer today = amazing system 5+ years ago
jdennis31 11.22.12	but yea, i never got the hd mods and stuff, so i'm ignorant on how much hardware power you need for that
EvoHavok 11.22.12	Well, the cheapest computer still can't run crysis for shit, but in 2007 basically almost no system could run Crysis at max, now there are plenty that can.
mvood 11.22.12	I wouldn't say mid-high, mid at the most my graphics card which is about 5 years old now runs it on highest with smooth ass fps
jdennis31 11.22.12	werd, yea i dunno. i just know that i can play it at maxed settings on a 60 inch with my radeon 4800 series that was discontinued. no mods or anything. don't exactly remember how many fps i was getting but it was in line with other folks benchmark tests
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	"Playability and addictiveness >>>> graphics quality" Yeah, but still. Yet another overrated bandwagon fad.
jdennis31 11.22.12	was a pretty fun game. probably one of my fav single player first person shooters until dishonored came along.
jdennis31 11.22.12	yea, i think i was gettin around 45. my graphics card was pretty mid tier when i bought it since the system was mostly for recording.
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	Re: Minecraft being unfair. From what I've seen, if you go to sleep outside of a locked room or division, when you wake up, you are being ass-raped by zombies or might already be on the verge of death. While you were ASLEEP. Yeah...real fair. As for life being repetitive, I thought videogames were supposed to be escapism? See above for graphic comment. I agree with your point of view, but presenting people with graphics 20 years out of date is shitting on the customer, no? @jdennis: I have more fun playing Wolfenstein 3D than any modern FPS. At least I'm not fumbling to press 20 keys at once in order to avoid getting raped by the AI. Or being shot in the back as I'm walking along because some asshole spawned right behind me on a multiplayer map.
jdennis31 11.22.12	haha yea. i get the old people comment. some of these real time strategy games have too much stuff going on and i just want to get back to warcraft 3 where all i have to worry about is micro and macro
InfamousGrouse 11.22.12	they're getting a bit out of sorts nowadays but UT, 2003, 2004, UT3 CS:Source Quake Doom also get every Elder Scrolls game
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	YES! Finally someone recommends some decent FPS's. I beat Doom 95 and very nearly beat Quake 1 (and Quake II on PS1). Those were awesome, and didn't need 50 million key presses in order to fire off a shot.
InfamousGrouse 11.22.12	stick to the classics, man
jdennis31 11.22.12	what was that fps where you had a magic cane?
mvood 11.22.12	"Re: Minecraft being unfair. From what I've seen, if you go to sleep outside of a locked room or division, when you wake up, you are being ass-raped by zombies or might already be on the verge of death. While you were ASLEEP. Yeah...real fair. As for life being repetitive, I thought videogames were supposed to be escapism?" I don't see why that's a complaint considering it's meant to have a sense of realism. As for the zombies ass raping you at night, that's where the challenge is, obviously if zombies come out at night you don't want to go camping in open space. It doesn't mean it's unfair, it just means use common sense.
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	Yeah. Because every other game kills you while you're unable to react, right?
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	On that note, YouTube user Guru Larry has built a pretty impressive replica of the old Watford branch of Woolworth's. Considering the "blazing speed" at which you obtain tiles on this game, I shudder to think how long it took him just to get the basic outline.
mvood 11.22.12	"Yeah. Because every other game kills you while you're unable to react, right?" Well that's stupid. Why are you comparing a mechanic that wouldn't fit in any other game? If they made it so you can just sleep anywhere you want in safety it takes away the concept of survival, like I said it's a [b] survival [/b] game. I take it you don't understand the concept of; open field, zombies around, that going to sleep will get you attacked? ps. it doesn't kill you, it takes like 1 hp away if you're not a noob and stand still.
mvood 11.22.12	Best part of the game is the rush to build a shelter, if you don't understand that that's the primary objective, then yeah it's the wrong game for you.
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	Yeah except I saw someone get attacked while sleeping in a room in a house they'd built. Because he hadn't locked the doors.
mvood 11.22.12	you're saying it like it's a bad thing. that's awesome that they've made that extra effort to incorporate that mechanic.
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	Yeah, imagine if while you're talking to Toad in Mario Bros and he's saying your princess is in another castle, a Goomba came around and you died. Or those games where you can die during cutscenes because the game doesn't pause to acknowledge the cinematic. Those are cool, huh?
mvood 11.22.12	dumb comparisons because they're not comparisons at all, it's apples and pears.
jdennis31 11.22.12	this game actually sounds fun but really time consuming
ReturnToRock 11.22.12	How so? They are examples of a game fucking you up while you're unable to react (due to a cutscene). Or imagine if a wild Pokemon or trainer appeared while you're at Ash's house or at the Pokecenter on Blue/Red. Same thing.
mvood 11.22.12	Well the point of sleeping in Minecraft is that you do it when you're in safety, it's a mechanic that incorporates real life tendencies, ie. you wouldn't get a sleeping bag out and nod off for the night when you're in the middle of hungry bears. It would be dumb if you were in the middle of all these monsters whacked out a bed and then wake up unharmed. In the case of Mario, that's a platformer. If that event ever occurred in it then it would be unfair but it has nothing to do with the concept of minecraft and it would have no concept behind it other than bad game mechanics.
dammets 11.22.12	make an account on gog.com and install steam. that gives you access to nearly every pc game you can imagine barring lucas art adventure games like grim fandango, older monkey islands, full throttle, day of the tentacle. and the system shock games
HitlerIsPissed 11.22.12	"Just tell me your budget and ill whip up some good builds for the price." i guess around $800. would that get me a decent system?
jdennis31 11.22.12	ezlee
Winrar 11.22.12	800 is fine. I'll link some builds later that will cost around $1000 AUD, which will probably equate to 800$ US since computer hardware prices in Australia are bullshit.
HitlerIsPissed 11.22.12	"They are examples of a game fucking you up while you're unable to react" in your scenario its impossible to prevent it. in minecraft you can do what youre supposed to do and not get killed. not a good comparison at all.
Winrar 11.22.12	http://i.imgur.com/fMxIj.png Here is a build I made. I reckon building this would look really nice and I am certain that buying these parts in the US will be cheaper than Aus but if it's too expensive, tell me.
HitlerIsPissed 11.22.12	alright cool, thanks for the help.