dcalderon: So, What's Punk Anyway?

dcalderon 07.24.13	I truly don't know how to punk
Trebor. 07.24.13	genre
KILL 07.24.13	sumthin andcas digs
dcalderon 07.24.13	Genre But is it?
Trebor. 07.24.13	1 is a by a punk band that started experimenting with other genres, that album is not strictly punk 2, 4, and 5 are post-hardcore, which is from hardcore, which is from punk 3, I don't even remember what Frank Turner sounds like so idk 6 is post-punk 7 is alt rock/pop-punk Don't know what 8 is 9 is Springsteen punk 10 is like alt rock with some post-hardcore or something idk
Trebor. 07.24.13	A music genre is a conventional category that identifies pieces of music as belonging to a shared tradition or set of conventions punk usually has fast sloppy power chords, pissed off and/or political lyrics, usually not very melodic vocals, etc
dcalderon 07.24.13	Actually 3 was the one that got me puzzled first. 8 is ska, good to great album actually.
TrueBlood 07.24.13	does it have somethin to do with ashton kutcher?
dcalderon 07.24.13	No, that would be punk'd. Shitty show now
IbenizGEO1 07.24.13	how is anyone supposed to answer that? go read up. most music reflects the culture of the time ever heard of the crips and the bloods dude. How about the 60s era of hippies?
dcalderon 07.24.13	You need propagandhi hiiihhh okk hiiihhh but hueeeehhh I've got Today's Empires. Sound more like trash to me
dcalderon 07.24.13	how is anyone supposed to answer that? I don't think it's thaaat difficult go read up Hmm that's what I intend. Read up one of your answers
dcalderon 07.24.13	Trash the genre of course. Not trash as in shit music
IbenizGEO1 07.24.13	Its actually a very difficult question. punk has a myriad of sub genres within it. you could write an entire book on "what is Punk?"
Cygnatti 07.24.13	it's a genre
TrueBlood 07.24.13	does it have anything to do with being beat up in a school hallway?
zakalwe 07.24.13	Punk is a movement that sets about destroying the established order. In the 70s it was about reverting back to the basics of rock n roll after prog had become the popular thing but was overblown and pretentious. Punk Is Dead.
dcalderon 07.24.13	Its actually a very difficult question it's a genre You see? It's not
Cygnatti 07.24.13	"3, I don't even remember what Frank Turner sounds like so idk" frank turner is cheesy folk punk, he also sucks.
dcalderon 07.24.13	London Calling starts off so awesome. Title track sounds like the band walking trought the streets calling people to their revolution. Afer that, I don't know, it get a little poppy
Cygnatti 07.24.13	"this is a list of record I've heard or read being called punk and some of them don't sound anything alike." couldn't you say that for a lot of other genres as well, though?
IbenizGEO1 07.24.13	That was my point but he got all pissy about it
Cygnatti 07.24.13	"Punk is a movement that sets about destroying the established order." that's the ironic thing, because it created an established order within itself.
Trebor. 07.24.13	Listen to Punk Guy by NOFX and you will know
zakalwe 07.24.13	Exactly Cyg. Punk Is Dead Everything becomes labelled, homogenized and sold back to the sheep.
Trebor. 07.24.13	"Exactly Cyg. Punk Is Dead Everything becomes labelled, homogenized and sold back to the sheep." I don't care about any of this, I just like how music sounds, my fucking word Sex Pistols sound like shit and Propagandhi sound good so yeah
zakalwe 07.24.13	I'm too punk for ya Hep.
dcalderon 07.24.13	couldn't you say that for a lot of other genres as well, though? I don't think so. Take hip-hop or electronic music. You could always find striking similarities between them. Even rock. But you see 3 and 5? How are they alike. Please don't say guitars and throw my whole argument to the shitter
KILL 07.24.13	punk means YEA MY GIRLFRIEND
dcalderon 07.24.13	And also, some post-punk recs?? Best place to start??
climactic 07.24.13	"I don't think so. Take hip-hop or electronic music. You could always find striking similarities between them. Even rock. But you see 3 and 5? How are they alike." you clearly have not delved much into said genres if you think this
Trebor. 07.24.13	The biggest difference between most rock and most punk is that most rock of the time was based on the blues scale and most punk was not Also rock was more riff based while punk was more power chord based
dcalderon 07.24.13	you clearly have not delved much into said genres if you think this I understand what you're saying but take Noisia and Booka Shades or Disclosure and Boards of Canada. They are completely different, both in goal and approach. Yet you CAN tell they all are electronic music
dcalderon 07.24.13	That was my point but he got all pissy about it Nah, I know how sputnik works, first you have to defend you question and only then MAYBE you'll get it answered. Also I'm doing this for the recs. I was just bored at work ;)
treeqt. 07.24.13	that is because punk is a subgenre compared to electronic music
Permabanned 07.24.13	sodom - in the sign of evil
Trebor. 07.24.13	"I understand what you're saying but take Noisia and Booka Shades or Disclosure and Boards of Canada. They are completely different, both in goal and approach. Yet you CAN tell they all are electronic music" That's because they're all different genres, electronic music is more of a blanket term
climactic 07.24.13	every major genre (punk, rock, metal, etc) has a super vast array of subgenres. and honestly punk has less variety than, say, metal. i mean disturbed is considered metal and so is bathory. they might as well be from different universes plus a lot of stuff in this list is punk-influenced or punk mixed with other genres (2,3,4,7,10)
Trebor. 07.24.13	That's like saying an orangutan, a human, and a capuchin are all the same because they're all primates
dcalderon 07.24.13	That's because they're all different genres, electronic music is more of a blanket term There you go. I'm beginning to think punk has became that too. I guess
dcalderon 07.24.13	That's like saying an orangutan, a human, and a capuchin are all the same because they're all primates No it's not. That analogy sounds pretty forced if you ask me
Trebor. 07.24.13	"and honestly punk has less variety than, say, metal." No way dude, the difference between The World is a Beautiful Place and Sex Pistols is a way bigger gap than Disturbed and Bathory
dcalderon 07.24.13	sodom - in the sign of evil I don't even have to look it up. No post-punk
Trebor. 07.24.13	primate = electronic music noisia = orang. boards of canada = human. Disclosure = capuchin Pretty good analogy I'd say
dcalderon 07.24.13	You see, I know using an obvious analogy is a pretty direct way to make your point across. That doesn't make it right though. My fucking project manager does it all the time the little f*ck. I guess that's why I procastinate by doing shitty list in the internet ;)
climactic 07.24.13	"No way dude, the difference between The World is a Beautiful Place and Sex Pistols is a way bigger gap than Disturbed and Bathory" there are way bigger gaps than disturbed and bathory tho i guess what im saying is metal and punk are pretty much blanket terms too because you can always pigeonhole a band more than just using those terms
MrElmo 07.24.13	A subculture, a way of living, creating or thinking, an ethos. Punk is more than the way you sound.
Trebor. 07.24.13	You could say that about any major genre though, hip-hop/electronic/metal all have their own culture
dcalderon 07.24.13	A subculture, a way of living, creating or thinking, an ethos. Punk is more than the way you sound. Can't tell if sarcastic or not
Cygnatti 07.24.13	Saying that punk isn't diverse because they mix genres is absolutely ridiculous considering shit like blues metal, stoner metal, and fucking blackgaze an post metal.
dcalderon 07.24.13	You could say that about any major genre though, hip-hop/electronic/metal all have their own culture Yeah but their cultures are more about the music than in punk, which is more about the way you think or something oh so deep like that
zakalwe 07.24.13	Blues Metal, Stoner Metal, Blackgaze, Post Metal. Nevermind The Bollocks.
MrElmo 07.24.13	I do think though that genres like Punk or Hip-Hop are much closer to being a whole culture than the broad genres of electronic music, metal and modern rock
dcalderon 07.24.13	I do think though that genres like Punk or Hip-Hop are much closer to being a whole culture than the broad genres of electronic music, metal and modern rock Agreed
climactic 07.24.13	"Saying that punk isn't diverse because they mix genres is absolutely ridiculous considering shit like blues metal, stoner metal, and fucking blackgaze an post metal." true but its a thin line between having elements of a genre or actually being a mix of the two genres
Cygnatti 07.24.13	Idk, it all depends on what goes into what genre. Indie comes from post punk yet most people believe that indie is a completely separate entity from punk (not saying its wrong to think so at all). And Are modern indie rock bands closer to rock or to punk? Or do they deserve to be in a category all on its own?
MosesMalone 07.24.13	What is this blues metal monstrosity
zakalwe 07.24.13	It's swampgrass, post after pre hardcore, scrunge with a twist of jingo.
MrElmo 07.24.13	"What is this blues metal monstrosity?" Black Sabbath?
dcalderon 07.24.13	Actually I think Indie exists as both a culture and a musical genre. If we are talking about the genre, I say rock.
Trebor. 07.24.13	indie rock is closer to punk, especially in ideology, 70s rock was all about excess, drugs and money, indie is way closer to the rebellion of punk. Music wise too cuz there's no fuckin blues scale
climactic 07.24.13	its an interesting topic, but the fact is its art so there will always be a subjective element when trying to categorize genres. i'd say indie is closer to rock/pop than punk but within indie there are loooots of different sounds so some will obviously lean either way
treeqt. 07.24.13	i'd definitely say that metal is less diverse than punk
Trebor. 07.24.13	Most indie musicians seem to be influenced by both sectors so yeah But like Pixies are punk as fuck
InfamousGrouse 07.24.13	the epitome of punk: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7iKvASTendU/TlgUqF1PEHI/AAAAAAAAAN0/e6-uoRclzZ0/s320/1216328013758_f.jpg
Trebor. 07.24.13	Most punks nowadays look like Greg Graffin
Cygnatti 07.24.13	Agreed with Trebor. The whole do it yourself idea and trying to separate itself from mainstream rock that both indie and some metal genres/bands came from punk rock. Since the whole independent label and do it yourself mantras are so important in indie, that alone already makes the whole idea of indie closer to punk than rock.
dcalderon 07.24.13	Agreed with Trebor. The whole do it yourself idea and trying to separate itself from mainstream rock that both indie and some metal genres/bands came from punk rock. Since the whole independent label and do it yourself mantras are so important in indie, that alone already makes the whole idea of indie closer to punk than rock. As a cultural movement, yes. But musically?
MrElmo 07.24.13	Plus post-punk and noise rock despite their genre names and sound are definitly punk. I see punk as truly putting artistic integrity and expression (or even experimentation as with many of the 80's and 90's punk attached bands) at the forefront with a total disdain for the actual listener who might still be moved by such a thought.
MrElmo 07.24.13	Musically Punk was born at a time when prog-rock was at it's most popular. Maybe those first punk kids tried to show people that you can create and appreciate music with simplicity, that you don't have to be a musical genius to be an artist or love music. That's only speculation tough
treeqt. 07.24.13	+new wave/no wave
MrElmo 07.24.13	yep Talking Heads and DNA sound nothing alike but are punk as fuck. Sound alone doesn't mean much anymore within this genre.
SitarHero 07.24.13	"indie is way closer to the rebellion of punk. Music wise too cuz there's no fuckin blues scale" Lol. The Ramones made a career out of I IV V progressions.
treeqt. 07.25.13	ok
jdennis31 07.25.13	how punk was created: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MdJcjl42D0
Chortles 07.25.13	husker du
dcalderon 07.25.13	Fuck this theory shit. Gonna jam some New Noise
Cygnatti 07.25.13	5 is post-hardcore, 4th.
Cygnatti 07.25.13	it's trve, tho. :/
drasticaction74 07.25.13	it's a spirit
Cygnatti 07.25.13	http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/refused/the_shape_of_punk_to_come/ Genres: (primary): Post-Hardcore, Hardcore Punk (secondary): Art Punk
Cygnatti 07.25.13	almost much 4000 musically elite people have rated that album and a large chunk seem to agree that it's post-hardcore so there you go.
PunchforPunch 07.25.13	i'm pretty sure 4th want you to explain the reason why Refused been labeled as post-hardcore.
Cygnatti 07.25.13	it's simply far too much removed from regular hardcore. plus, it very much helped established many of modern post-hardcore's stereotypical tropes (for better or for worse).
MisterTornado 07.25.13	divine music from a jail
PunchforPunch 07.25.13	good explanation
Cygnatti 07.25.13	C'mon, guys. The shrieked vocals, the use if electronics, emphasis in dynamics are all there. Plus, their sound has much more similar to glass jaw and the at the drive-in than minor threat.
PunchforPunch 07.25.13	dude i completely agree with you so chill
dcalderon 07.25.13	Even I know 5 is post-harcore and I made this stupid list so there you go
dcalderon 07.25.13	dude i completely agree with you so chill This is a punk thread, not a reggae thread. Nobody chill
dsroka005 07.25.13	1 is.. that's it.... all other music is just sub par
dsroka005 07.25.13	with the exception of course being a ton of other bands
treeqt. 07.25.13	y'all punks