whatshisname: 90's Rap Or Today's Rap?

Blindsided 12.21.11	Given the times were different, the trends were different, but always 90's.
ShousoStrip 12.21.11	Today's rap. Because I live up to my generation.
bloc 12.21.11	90's
captaincrunch11 12.21.11	Current
Blackbelt54 12.21.11	Early/mid 90's is probably my favorite era of rap
Colliiiin 12.21.11	Shouldn't even be a second thought, pure 90's.
Ovrot 12.21.11	80's
gosk8n 12.21.11	90s because of consistency
Trebor. 12.21.11	Is this a serious question?
YetAnotherBrick 12.21.11	^ what i was gonna say
CakeWithCream 12.21.11	answer should be fairly obvious
Cells 12.21.11	needs moar wu tang
Pharoh 12.21.11	90's, no question about it.
Masochist 12.21.11	Most of my favorite hip-hop albums are from the '90's, but I'm certainly beginning to appreciate some of the finer points of new millennium rap.
whatshisname 12.21.11	Wu-Tang should be here, my bad
combustion07 12.21.11	Way to pick shitty modern rap choices lol, granted I still prefer 90's, but there are plenty of good modern albums too.
AsoTamaki 12.21.11	early - mid 00s rap
Blackbelt54 12.21.11	Yeah what Masochist said
climactic 12.21.11	90s
jayfatha 12.21.11	I really dig both but 90's for sure
sublimefan1991 12.21.11	oh god, it's as if this list was catered specifically to my "90's rap generally sucks" rant, which i won't go on again, and just leave it at today's rap. production's better, rhyme schemes are more challenging/well thought out, and, no, i'm not talking about shitty mainstream crunk rappers.
BonerAdams 12.21.11	Rap lol, what are you Sputnik, black?
MO 12.21.11	^ oh man you're so cool. you see that sputnik? he said "ha are you guys black", you know since we like rap, isn' that just hilarious? because you know some people can't enjoy more than just one genre of music!! hohoho so funny!
Relinquished 12.21.11	"hohoho so funny!" whoa there santa what are you doing on sputnik
whatshisname 12.21.11	I'll agree that production is better, but I prefer the gritty-er sound of 90's rap. It makes it feel more real. A quality I don't see in today's rap.
MO 12.21.11	"whoa there santa what are you doing on sputnik" got some special egg nog in me
bloc 12.21.11	More like egg nig
Relinquished 12.21.11	ok that's going too far bloc...
SitarHero 12.21.11	Alternative hip hop is still good. Mainstream rap has gone down the drain. Except for Busta Rhymes' random cameos.
Turdles 12.21.11	Wu-Tang Wu-Tang
Scoot 12.21.11	why is this even a question
lancebramsay 12.21.11	I'd say a tie for me. The 2000's have my favorite hip-hop album of all time (Bayani by Blue Scholars) but the 90's were insanely consistent.
illmitch 12.21.11	the 90s werent consistent at all there were a ton of shitty albums in the 90s people only remember the good ones
FromDaHood 12.21.11	90's, sorry Atmosphere
lancebramsay 12.21.11	Clearly every decade has shit music, when I was referring to consistency I meant the amount of very, very good albums. Majority of my top hip hop albums would be from the 90's, no doubt about it.
pcar 12.21.11	no wu-tang lmao nigga get real
Recspecs 12.21.11	Stupid ass question. The 90s weren't that long ago anyways. Again, why the fuck are we asking this? It's like asking "What is better, 1700s classical or early 1990's black metal?
illmitch 12.21.11	in 20 years kids will be saying that the 2000's had the best albums
lancebramsay 12.21.11	it's a fair question, don't be a cock
Recspecs 12.21.11	"it's a fair question, don't be a cock" Lol. Okay.
TomArnoldsArmpit 12.21.11	"90's, sorry Atmosphere" three of slug's best albums came out in the 90's. soooo you don't know what you're talking about.
TomArnoldsArmpit 12.21.11	but 90's was probably a bit better.
illmitch 12.21.11	i think its a fair question people are just answering it in dumb ways
Relinquished 12.21.11	"the 90s werent consistent at all there were a ton of shitty albums in the 90s people only remember the good ones" true. I remember some of my friends had some old vinyl from some groups nobody talk about from then and they weren't that good.
ffs 12.21.11	Rap. more Like [c]rap. because it's all crap. thats the joke
lancebramsay 12.21.11	you can't spell assessment without ass
Hyperion1001 12.21.11	theres good from both
Satellite 12.21.11	op is presenting a strawman argument based on the modern shit he included dumb discussion in general, oh well
LegendofPittman 12.22.11	90's definitely.
gabethepiratesquid 12.26.11	You have terrible taste in modern hip-hop if that's what you think genuinely signifies what it's like and that Tech N9ne and Odd Future are the height of all of today's hip-hop or something. anyway, today's hip-hop is way better. Or at least the movement is way better. Back in 90s the only diversity you got was in regions but every one of the regions usually were unbelievably homogenous. Yes we get it you're from NYC in the 90s oh what's that you have generic boom bap or jazz samples? How original.
gabethepiratesquid 12.26.11	and Yelawolf, Machine Gun Kelly and Hopsin are all bad and you should feel bad for including them
discovolante 12.28.11	Are you fuckin serious??
Trebor. 12.28.11	soulja boy > odd future
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	Soulja Boy isn't really an accurate representation of modern hip-hop, tho. And I'd say this year has been far kinder to him in terms of quality than any of those three artists. Even though I guess the comparison is weird since they have completely different styles from S. Beezy anyway.
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	I mean I guess it goes to the effect of saying X East Coast Jazz Rapper is better than Y Trap rapper. I guess technically the first would probably be the more technically talented rapper, but they have completely different musical contexts and the latter's objective isn't to be the most technical rapper they could be.
Deviant. 12.28.11	"anyway, today's hip-hop is way better. Or at least the movement is way better. Back in 90s the only diversity you got was in regions but every one of the regions usually were unbelievably homogenous. Yes we get it you're from NYC in the 90s oh what's that you have generic boom bap or jazz samples? How original." Oh my god you have the worst opinions
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	oh my god ur so dumb
Deviant. 12.28.11	You do realize that all the bullshit hip hop stereotypes you stumble over in every single one of your posts wouldn't be there had the blueprint not been laid down by the artists you claim are so generic
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	Jesus christ lol. You do realize I'm not saying literally every 90s or hip-hop artist is generic, nor am I saying that 90s hip-hop is in any way bad in general.
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	I'm pretty sure Soulja Boy would do pretty badly in a rap battle but it'd be interesting.
Deviant. 12.28.11	I mean seriously Gabe, is someone paying you to namedrop so many frivolous tags and styles relating to hip hop? Every single thing you post is like a Bulldog review
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	yeah gabe you idiotbecause there isn't more than one style or objective in the broad genre of hip-hop and trying to point out different styles have different contexts is dumb lol namedropper
Deviant. 12.28.11	Dude, there's knowledge and then there's overcompensating
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	You're acting as if because I mention jazz rap and trap music in the same post, I must be trying to show off some genius hip-hop knowledge.
Deviant. 12.28.11	No, I think you got the whole Bulldog thing going on. And I don't think he knows shit
Deviant. 12.28.11	"I think dev is just saying you promote shit rap while badmouthing the good." Well yeah that, but it just makes me laugh how every second thing you type is some kind of masturbatory reference to some silly little style. You're like the overenthusiastic pr rep you just wanna slap
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	@andcas: That's not what's being conveyed in his posts at all. And just because I'm able to enjoy poppier rap or more unconventional hip-hop like Lil B or Soulja Boy doesn't really make it bad whatsoever, and nah, usually when I talk bad about a hip-hop artist it's for a genuine reason and not because they're good, tbf. @Deviant: I'm not trying to show off knowledge. I was just trying to show that different styles of hip-hop have different objectives in what they try to say. Why would you judge Waka Flocka with the same mindset that you would judge Mos Def/Common or something? (no that was not a namedrop to show off anything, it was examples being used to prove a point)
Deviant. 12.28.11	I don't think you're trying to show off knowledge at all, you just seem like someone who has found himself a new hip hop term and has decided to run it as far into the ground as humanely possible "Why would you judge Waka Flocka with the same mindset that you would judge Mos Def/Common or something? (no that was not a namedrop to show off anything, it was examples being used to prove a point)" Because they're both operating in the same genre of music. I've been listening to hip hop for about 13 years now, from what's out there now to as far back as the mid 80s and I could give a fuck less about "trap music" and all that shit, and I could care less about east coast west coast nonsense Even when we were talking about Swarms you mentioned that when listening to one of the tracks you found it hard to work out whether it was dubstep/future garage or whatever. Is that how you listen to music? It cracks me up how you have to make everything so tightly defined, to the point where you feel the need to present me with that question about Wiz
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	"Even when we were talking about Swarms you mentioned that when listening to one of the tracks you found it hard to work out whether it was dubstep/future garage or whatever." I wasn't saying it was affecting the quality or my actual enjoyment of the album whatsoever, but if someone praised X album for being the best country album of the year and I listen to it and it's some Bon Iver indie folk, I'd just be like, "Haha, wait what?" "Because they're both operating in the same genre of music." ...so? What does that have to do with anything? If they have different objectives than how does the fact that they're both under the broooooad hip-hop genre give them the same objectives? I wouldn't listen to Dead Kennedys thinking it was should be taken in the same context as Brand New just because they're both technically "rock".
Deviant. 12.28.11	"I wasn't saying it was affecting the quality or my actual enjoyment of the album whatsoever," And I never said it either "...so? What does that have to do with anything? If they have different objectives than how does the fact that they're both under the broooooad hip-hop genre give them the same objectives? " They both have the same goal in mind, they just get their in different ways "I wouldn't listen to Dead Kennedys thinking it was should be taken in the same context as Brand New just because they're both technically "rock"." And now you're talking about different genres that emerged out of another genre, so by all means make this discussion even more elaborate
Deviant. 12.28.11	*there
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	"They both have the same goal in mind, they just get their in different ways" Unless you consider their "common goal" as general as "rap over beats", then they don't really. "And now you're talking about different genres that emerged out of another genre, so by all means make this discussion even more elaborate" So when punk and whatever you'd consider Brand New to be are different subgenres of rock, they're totally different and it's okay to give them different contexts, but when trap music and jazz rap are different subgenres of hip-hop, they might as well be the same and saying they'd have different objectives is ridiculous?
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	"if we're going this not fair to compare route then any poor act can be excused." No, because I'm not saying "HEY YOU CAN'T COMPARE BIG L WITH X RAPPER BECAUSE BIG L IS AMAZING SO COMPARING THEM IS DUMB BECAUSE OF COURSE IT'S SHIT COMPARED TO CLASSICS", I'm just saying they have completely different musical contexts so comparing them is ridiculous.
Deviant. 12.28.11	"Unless you consider their "common goal" as general as "rap over beats", then they don't really. " Well seeing as how they both work in the same genre of music they're open to comparison. I don't really see how this is hard to understand - must be all that yayo that you're on lol "So when punk and whatever you'd consider Brand New to be are different subgenres of rock, they're totally different and it's okay to give them different contexts, but when trap music and jazz rap are different subgenres of hip-hop, they might as well be the same and saying they'd have different objectives is ridiculous?" Now you're trying to start an argument that will never end because we obviously have different opinions on what is merely a different style on the same theme, and what is its own sub-genre. And where the fuck did objectives come from? Their objectives are the same as anyone MAKING MUSIC OF ANY KIND And I can compare Wiz to Common and/or Mos Def because of one simple reason. They're all emcees in HIP HOP
theacademy 12.28.11	no offense but if you think (whatever constitutes) "today's rap" is better than 90's rap, you are almost assuredly LWMF from the suburbs... one of those tools who talks about "production" in hip-hop like it has anything to do with musical value, pretending it isn't actually a perverse marketing mechanism by which white label execs suck out all the ingenuity from urban music. stick to indie rock. and get fucked.
theacademy 12.28.11	Waka is striving to be Gucci
AsoTamaki 12.28.11	"Their objectives are the same as anyone MAKING MUSIC OF ANY KIND" Nah, man. Pretty sure not everyone making music is making it for the same reasons or to appeal to the same people or to create the same sound or to deliver the same message, etc. This is a funny thread though. Keep going.
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	"I get that rappers have different styles but that doesn't excuse some for being bad. I know waka isn't striving to be biggie but that's not a free pass to suck" But he doesn't suck. I'm assuming you listen to Waka with the mindset of "I'm looking for someone going hard and making great lyrics", which isn't his point. It's how aggressive he is, his charisma, the catchiness, the quotability of the lyrics along with the fantastic production (except for O Let's Do It...ugh that sounds like it was made by someone with their newly cracked FL Studio 7). "Well seeing as how they both work in the same genre of music they're open to comparison. I don't really see how this is hard to understand - must be all that yayo that you're on lol" Well yes technically they're open to comparison and the amount of yayo I consume on a daily (okay, hourly) basis affects my typing but just because you CAN technically compare them doesn't mean that it wouldn't be stupid to see someone saying, "Awh man Lil B sucks. I mean just look at A Tribe Called Quest then see you can call that Lil B garbage MUSIC." "Waka is striving to be Gucci" I never actually got the appeal of Gucci beyond him having some fucking GENIUS lines and Lemonade being a catchy-as-fuck song.
theacademy 12.28.11	gucci's my absolute state of mind, like waka's man
theacademy 12.28.11	not really andcas, the album is actually awesome i genuinely have no idea why you don't like it
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	"so basically if I want to enjoy waka's albums I need to lower my standards" No, and I never even said anything where I remotely implied that except where I said that his point wasn't to have great lyrics. "gucci's my absolute state of mind, like waka's man" "95 AIR MAX CUZ I'M A DOPE RUNNER" Gucci can have such cool coke lines when he wants to
theacademy 12.28.11	what hype it has a 2.2 rating
Deviant. 12.28.11	"Nah, man. Pretty sure not everyone making music is making it for the same reasons or to appeal to the same people or to create the same sound or to deliver the same message, etc." Yes but at the end of the day they're making music to entertain people "Just because you CAN technically compare them doesn't mean that it wouldn't be stupid to see someone saying, "Awh man Lil B sucks. I mean just look at A Tribe Called Quest then see you can call that Lil B garbage MUSIC."" Outside of the godawful example you used it wouldn't really be so outlandish as you seem to think it is. Maybe this is some strange new concept for you, but in the continuing evolution of music (any genre of music) comparisons will always be (even if it's merely from an evolutionary standpoint) between such artists
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	"Outside of the godawful example you used it wouldn't really be so outlandish as you seem to think it is. Maybe this is some strange new concept for you, but in the continuing evolution of music (any genre of music) comparisons will always be (even if it's merely from an evolutionary standpoint) between such artists" I'll repeat my point of: Just because you technically can compare them, doesn't make the comparison any less dumb or ridiculous to make.
theacademy 12.28.11	i think that might because you're watching a freestyle video
theacademy 12.28.11	also it might be because you edited that comment like 4 times
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	1. Looking for the peak of their talent in freestyles is dumb 2. He looks more like he's just fucking around and having fun with it than trying to impress everyone 3. He actually has a pretty dope rhyme scheme for a while in that 4. Saying "I don't see the talent" when it's been repeated that his appeal isn't in his lyrical ability is silly. 5. oh andcas you and your edits.
theacademy 12.28.11	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFiPANvxfDg
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	"I thought a rapper with skill should be able to freestyle." You thought wrong. Freestyles have different standards than normal rap. That's why people who are hailed in the freestyle world usually end up sucking once they actually make an album. Yes there are people who can freestyle fantastically and make great albums but that's not the normal case.
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	ugggh the animation in that just makes it really hard for me to watch
theacademy 12.28.11	the voices r so funneh
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	@andcas: I hope you know that none of those are freestyles.
PoodleRapist 12.28.11	90s rap. to the point where i can't help thinking that this title was just to try and spark argument. there's no contest.
theacademy 12.28.11	mom's spagetti
SylentEcho 12.28.11	90's rap dude
Deviant. 12.28.11	"I'll repeat my point of: Just because you technically can compare them, doesn't make the comparison any less dumb or ridiculous to make." Maybe this is some strange new concept for you, but in the continuing evolution of music (any genre of music) comparisons will always be (even if it's merely from an evolutionary standpoint) between such artists[2]
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	@andcas: Nahhh. He can still write a great verse from time to time (especially when he can show off on these things) but with freestyles he usually has kind of fallen off like he has in general album quality. @Deviant: itz still dum tho[3553]
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	Contexts aren't loopholes, and I guess technically every artist ever has their reasons for being enjoyable or else they wouldn't have any fans.
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	and then there's still the case of music being, y'know, subjective. and there are plenty of hip-hop artists that aren't good for the most part (in my opinion, anyway). Mac Miller, Yelawolf, Immortal Technique, Lil Boosie, 6 Tre G, French Montana, Young L (I think Young L's an amazing producer but his rapping is terrible for the most part), etc.
Deviant. 12.28.11	"@Deviant: itz still dum tho[3553]" Not at all. But you're apparently too fucking stupid to realize the difference between comparing two people in the same genre from an objective pov
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	Just like it's quite possible you're too fucking stupid to realize that while obviously it's valid to make certain comparisons of artists in these same genres (ex: (going along with the ATCQ to Lil B example) "this jazzy sample in X Lil B song almost feels A Tribe Called Quest-esque", "this piece of witty insight could possibly remind one of a Q-tip line"), comparing them in general or comparing two factors of their music in which they have completely different points is ridiculous, unnecessary and completely dumb.
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	I FINNA SWANG I FINNA SWANG I FINNA SWANG
Deviant. 12.28.11	"Just like it's quite possible you're too fucking stupid to realize that while obviously it's valid to make certain comparisons of artists in these same genres (ex: (going along with the ATCQ to Lil B example) "this jazzy sample in X Lil B song almost feels A Tribe Called Quest-esque", "this piece of witty insight could possibly remind one of a Q-tip line"), comparing them in general or comparing two factors of their music in which they have completely different points is ridiculous, unnecessary and completely dumb." I find it funny that you seem to think that I must be stupid when all you keep using as examples are the tiniest of details, like little samples that may or may not be inspired by what came before. Obviously I'm not gonna compare someone who raps at a more leisurely pace with someone who speed raps and say that the latter is obviously the better of the two because he's faster. But in terms of message, what they bring to the genre in terms of innovative production etc; well, with that in mind I'll always be able to make those kind of comparisons because it makes perfect fucking sense you gobshite
taylormemer 12.28.11	Chill pills for everyone here
qwe3 12.28.11	"the 90s werent consistent at all there were a ton of shitty albums in the 90s people only remember the good ones" agree people in the 90s would have said the 80s had better rap
qwe3 12.28.11	also glossed over the thread and its basically gabe and deviant both making pretty relevant points which was pretty interesting for awhile if you cut out all the bullshit with academy occasionally dropping in to say something worthwhile all the while andcas trying really hard to say something that didnt make me want to palm the face of the universe but not really succeeding
illmitch 12.28.11	andcas says dumb stuff but hes a kool guy
qwe3 12.28.11	123
JWT155 12.28.11	I still luv u andcas
WeepingBanana 12.28.11	trap music is generally something that plays when i bring a hooker to a motel room and she's revealing her not so womanly features to me. an example would be In the Air Tonight by Genesis. the big drum entrance is usually when she lets her dick flop down
JWT155 12.28.11	Sounds romantic
WeepingBanana 12.28.11	Weeping Weeknd* it's his new EP coming out this week
illmitch 12.28.11	wampire weekend
omnipanzer 12.28.11	Weeping knows how to get the mood set right.
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	@Deviant: Lol holy shit that whole post just made me want to hit my face against a desk in exasperation. You, Deviant. You. also, Vampire Weeknd.
gabethepiratesquid 12.28.11	Also, trap music is great to blast in the car when you're a white kid who wants to play pretend that you're one hardass g.
BigHans 12.28.11	this isnt even a question. 90s destroys.
Days of Future Passed 01.18.12	90s. Intense thread.
Destructerator 06.10.12	what is 2000s rap
YoYoMancuso 06.10.12	"what is 2000s rap" the music industry being raped by douches
DikkoZinner 06.10.12	90's rap, no contest.
Pentagon 06.10.12	probably 90's rap, but the past few years have been great for rap. Kanye, whatever you think of him, has made rap interesting again. And with artists like Kendrick Lamar, ASAP Rocky, Killer Mike and the Death Grips I see a pretty bright future for hip-hop
Rhinosaur 06.10.12	Looking at "Today's Rap" makes me want to cry.
Aids 06.10.12	you guys are all morons
WeepingBanana 06.10.12	whenever MF DOOM releases an album that's the best year for rap
guitarnater 06.10.12	1930's rap.
Archelaos 06.10.12	'90s* ;D
botb 06.10.12	90's but this is missing so many good albums and has so many not that cool ones
botb 06.10.12	and gabe sometimes you post and i'm like this guy isn't so bad but then sometimes you post and i nearly break my nose facepalming. this time its the latter
wacknizzle 06.10.12	Needs some Aesop Rock, Atmosphere and Immortal Technique.
illmitch 06.11.12	sounds gay
Hyperion1001 06.11.12	agreed
Storm In A Teacup 06.11.12	"gucci's my absolute state of mind, like waka's man" +1up
illmitch 06.11.12	i lost my train of thought, bitches callin me brainless i can't eat a burger cuz i'm too fuckin famous
Hyperion1001 06.11.12	i love bitches
trix4dix 06.11.12	now my niggaz now my niggaz now my niggaz now my niggaz get real get get real buck real buck