jungletiger
09.12.12 | Yea show may have flaws but i don't notice them too much. I can't rate the seasons, this show is a 'whole' thing to me. One
long running episode. I'm not going to go back looking for fav episodes or seasons |
ViralOblivion
09.12.12 | 2,4,5 first half, 1,3 I'm guessing when the show finishes 5 will be my second favorite or my favorite. And idk if you meant to do the fly comments in season 2 but fly is in season 3. |
Trebor.
09.12.12 | stop raking this damn
Worst ranking yet too |
TMobotron
09.12.12 | This exact list just got made a bit ago, but holy fuck is this list wrong.
First off, season 1 laid the groundwork for the series, but the amount that it has improved after that is just insane. The pilot was fantastic and the part where he throws the fake meth at tuco (who is a good character as well) - I think it was episode 4 - was great as well. In fact that whole episode was great. But season 1 was a 7-episode teaser of what was possible for the show.
But a slump in season 3-4, are you nuts? Season 3 had some pacing issues and a bit of an issue with some stories clashing, but the end of season 3 and the entirety of season 4 was just perfect. It elevated the tension of the series to a completely different level. And season 4 being boring apart from the first 5 episodes? Seriously? It was intentionally slow moving dramatic stuff, but it did it all perfectly. Every character interaction, every dialogue in that season was untouched by anything else in the series, and the end of it was literally the best part of the series so far. Crawl Space was the best episode in the series IMO, Half Measures is the only thing that even comes close and it's in season 3 which apparently wasn't that good?
I rank the seasons 4>5>3>2>1. |
SgtPepper
09.12.12 | Season 4 wasnt boring in my opinion.
The reason it was slow paced because it was following a domino effect, little by little shit just kept piling up on our boy Walt and his family, and then BAM! it all collapsed heavily to the point where it killed any innocence and empathy Walter White had left.
This was the most important season because we really saw the characters evolve in such a dramatic way. Walter went from just a man trying to provide for his family, to an egotistical and apathetic villain. And Jesse, who was once prided himself in being a bad guy, is now the tragic hero that Walter once was. |
TMobotron
09.12.12 | Yeah, it was a slow-burner of a season (but really the whole show is a slow-burner so I don't get the criticism), but it's executed perfectly. I was completely captivated by every episode that season, it didn't matter how slow it was. It was like a perfect chess game. |
SgtPepper
09.12.12 | @TM
Exactly. The first 3 seasons were packed with action, but 4 took its time. and just when I started missing all the action of the past seasons, "Crawl Space" premiered with the biggest shitstorm the show had seen to that point. The scene in desert when Gus threatens Walt. And then the final 5 minutes when he goes home and the money is gone- The most thrilling moment of television I have ever seen. |
ViralOblivion
09.12.12 | 2 is the darkest to me and my favorite and slow dosent mean bad and it was building up the season and it was executed perfectly, the way skyler gave away the money but you never think "what about if Walter need to escape?" when he goes down to that basement and realizes there isn't any money I was as shocked as he was, that scene was executed perfectly. |
TMobotron
09.12.12 | "The scene in desert when Gus threatens Walt. And then the final 5 minutes when he goes home and the money is gone- The most thrilling moment of television I have ever seen."
I agree, that whole sequence is easily the best I've ever seen on television. But season 4 in general just was written so much better than anything previously, and even the scenes that seemed inconsequential in the long run had way more depth than anything else in the show.
I mean I love seasons 1-3 but it seems to be on a whole different level in season 4. |
intotheshit
09.12.12 | Great show, but The Wire was 10000x better
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Mike08
09.12.12 | You know I miss the innocence of Walt and Jesse. Nothing I need back or am ever going to get back, but remember back to season 1 and 2 where there was adventure? I'm not complaining though I love how this story progresses. And let me be more specific. I liked season 4 especially the back history of Gus. I think he was my favorite character of the entire show. I think 4 is better than 3 actually. Other then that I support my rankings. |
TMobotron
09.12.12 | I hear so many people say that and while I realize why it might be a better show for some people, I think the extent to which that opinion has spread relies a lot just on the way it's presented to people. So many people are always spouting off about how the wire is the greatest show ever and I think people who pick it up feel the need to agree with that, at least to an extent.
The wire is probably my 3rd favorite show after Breaking Bad and Twin Peaks - which means that I do really love The Wire, but I enjoy the other two better for good reasons. I think The Wire is more realistic and perfectly calculated than either one of those, but that's also its weakness for me. I watch TV for entertainment, and I think The Wire's realism deserves all the praise it receives, but I also think that Breaking Bad is more purely entertaining, and although it's certainly less realistic - I can't be bothered to care. I like Breaking Bad and Twin Peaks more because even though The Wire is clearly a more perfectly calculated show about crime or good vs evil, BB and TP entertain me more. I don't necessarily watch TV to see real life - that's why Sci-Fi is a genre and why reality TV isn't to everyone's preference. |
ViralOblivion
09.12.12 | 3 is the weakest to me pacing problems and the cousins were weird why didn't they talk and why did they need to walk away so cliche from the truck explosion that's not breaking bad to me |
TMobotron
09.12.12 | @Mike, I always loved the innocent interactions between Jesse and Walt in the early seasons, and that was the best comedic aspect of the show. But I feel like it has progressed to a point where it can't have that dark comedy to the same extent. It still exists a lot in Saul, or Badger & Skinny P, but it's a sacrifice that had to be made for a greater and larger-scaled story IMO. |
Mike08
09.12.12 | You know what I never got; how Hank married Marie. I mean I like both of the characters, but they don't have a real chemistry. Even in the case of opposites attracting, I couldn't imagine a year of dating Marie. |
intotheshit
09.12.12 | "I hear so many people say that and while I realize why it might be a better show for some people, I think the extent to which that opinion has spread relies a lot just on the way it's presented to people. So many people are always spouting off about how the wire is the greatest show ever and I think people who pick it up feel the need to agree with that, at least to an extent."
Or the Wire could actually be the best show TV has ever put out there, and you don't know it. |
intotheshit
09.12.12 | There are pacing problems with Breaking Bad through each season, and I feel like they've completely lost Jesse the last 2 seasons. |
ViralOblivion
09.12.12 | Or you just have a hard on for the wire |
intotheshit
09.12.12 | "Or you just have a hard on for the wire"
Or I appreciate great writing more than the prospect of great writing. |
TMobotron
09.12.12 | My point isn't even that Wire lovers are wrong, because like I said The Wire is awesome, but I think a lot of people who make the point that the wire is the greatest show ever only think that because they've been told to think that.
I love the show, it's just not my favorite. |
ViralOblivion
09.12.12 | Breaking Bad is great writing and the wire is great but you're acting like its the most perfect show ever and the truth is none exist |
TMobotron
09.12.12 | The thing is Breaking Bad's writing has a completely different intent than The Wire's did. Vince Gilligan knows it's not the most realistic show ever, and it's intentionally written that way. It's meant to be entertaining first and foremost, even when it's slow-moving. |
TMobotron
09.12.12 | "i do a pretty convincing omar from the hbo program the wire-ronald"
Lol that shit was hilarious, great movie overall. |
intotheshit
09.12.12 | "My point isn't even that Wire lovers are wrong, because like I said The Wire is awesome, but I think a lot of people who make the point that the wire is the greatest show ever only think that because they've been told to think that."
Way to think subjectively.
I'm not saying Breaking Bad is horrible in any way. I love the show. I've been obsessed with it since Season 1. The Wire, however, has a legacy that can't be topped. The writing , the characters, the actors, everything about it was perfect. I can't say the same for Breaking Bad, where the lulls and the pacing issues have held it back at time.
"Breaking Bad is great writing and the wire is great but you're acting like its the most perfect show ever and the truth is none exist"
I never said it's a perfect show. I do think it's the best show we've ever had the privilege of viewing.
"Vince Gilligan knows it's not the most realistic show ever, and it's intentionally written that way"
The most realistic show ever? Yeah, robbing a train while it's moving is realistic. |
ViralOblivion
09.12.12 | It wasn't moving and he said its not supposed to be the most realistic and I said you're acting like it I never said you said it was perfect. |
intotheshit
09.12.12 | My bad, I read it wrong. My apologies.
And how in the hell am I acting like it's the most perfect show ever? Because I believe it to be the best?
Then by that logic, you're acting like Breaking Bad is the most perfect show ever. |
ViralOblivion
09.12.12 | No I know it has flaws look above |
intotheshit
09.12.12 | Where do you get the idea that I don't think The Wire had it's flaws? Just because I never put them out there doesn't mean I don't believe it did. I do believe some of the actors weren't right for the story. I do believe the second season wasn't as great as the others. There were several pacing problems with the second season.
However, the writers corrected those imperfections as the seasons went on. Breaking Bad continues to make the same mistakes. |
ViralOblivion
09.12.12 | No that was the third season with pacing problems |
intotheshit
09.12.12 | Wrong. The 3rd season started off slowly for the purpose of building up the tension.
I don't think you've ever watched the series if you think the 3rd season had pacing problems. |
Mike08
09.12.12 | The Fly is one of the only episodes that caught me off guard. I had not watched the 3rd season on tv and bought the DVD instead. While rolling through the episodes, The Fly halted all the story to a stand still. Walt was trying to contain this Fly in the lab, the Fly being an intangible symbol for the lack of control in his life. The guilt and shame he had exprienced was rising to his concious, and Walt and Jesse explored their emotions in this episode. Walt came so close to admitting he killed Jane, but he could not bring himself to admit the truth. Grant it, the truth of Jane's death would have killed Jesse's relationship with Walt permanently, but Walt is forced to lead a dual relationship with Jesse and never clear his concious. This is Walt's burden, and his cancer if you will. Anyways, great acting and monolgues, cleaver humour, and cinematography. This episode split fans partially BECAUSE it was so different then all of the other episodes. I say it was refreshing. This episode was a snapshot in time of the relationships and experiences of Jesse and Walt, forever doomed. |
Atari
09.12.12 | lol man do people like to get in debates over this show. I'm one of the few that will agree with u on season 4 it wasn't my favorite. |
ILJ
09.12.12 | Season 4 is best. Just saying.
I'm not even through season 1 of the Wire yet and I love it. |
Rikardur
09.12.12 | yo you come at the king, you best not miss - Omar, from the best show ever. |
TMobotron
09.12.12 | Season 5 of the wire was easily the worst. The whole fake serial killer thing was ridiculous and the familiar characters and storyline were starting to lose their appeal. |
modernman2
09.12.12 | You've assessed this show incorrectly, my friend.
I believe every season has topped the one before it. Therefore, the ranking should go 5,4,3,2,1.
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ILJ
09.12.12 | Dude fucking Omar is the best. |
ILJ
09.12.12 | Ha, I just realized that sentence was phrased poorly. |
Calc
09.12.12 | hey......
fuk this show |
paxman
09.12.12 | Season 5 is probably my favorite so far. My favorite scene ever was when Walter shot Hank |
Atari
09.12.12 | maybe so but he could have at least tried to help her instead of just watching her die. |
nononsense
09.12.12 | Sons of Anarchy is better. |
Atari
09.12.12 | @andcas, probably but it's still fucked up lol. |
Mike08
09.12.12 | Andcas- Well your right Jane might have died anyways then, or maybe in a week; but when Walt was standing over Jane and she was choking he theoretically said; "Just Die, I can't have you interfer with Jesse."
- Any other favorite episodes?
Other favorites are Half-Measures, The Pheonix, and Boxcutter |
Insurrection
09.12.12 | 4>3>2>1 |
MisterTornado
09.12.12 | season 4 about the schools was best agreed |
Mike08
09.12.12 | What do you mean Mister Tornado?
Favorite Monologue; was in Season 3 When Walt was addressing the school about the plane crash. That or his speech with Skyler in episode "51." |
Dunpeal
09.12.12 | Jesse kills Walter in the end |
Mike08
09.12.12 | Well Walt could die; I think Walt might unconciously hope for that. Remember when he told (Skyler?) the perfect moment he could have died?
There are only 2 people that are real contenders for a permanent facedown with Walt:
Hank/DEA or Skyler. I lean toward Hank playing some part at least. Either he convinces Skyler Walt needs to be taken down and takes Walt down himself, or someone from the "Meth End" hurts the White family and Skyler takes Walt down.
- I am not going with Jesse as the choice unless he finds out about Jane or Brock which seems slim seeing as how he is done with Walt. Hank can't use Jane or Brock against Jesse in interrogation because he doesn't know about either person. |
Dunpeal
09.12.12 | i might buy skyler, but Hank as DEA is too cookie cutter
Jesse, imo, is being built up to kill him. As of now he's trying to get out of the game and leave all the killing behind. Ironically he will have to kill one last time. Why go to all that trouble to show the viewer that about the plant and Brock. Jesse will find out about it from Walt, because Walter is an egotistical asshat. He would've been free and clear a bunch of times if he would've just kept his damn mouth shut and ego in check, but then we'd have a very short series so yeah |
Thane
09.12.12 | i have a feeling that walt is going to achieve the opposite of what he set out to get when it comes to his family (i just hope they don't kill the baby i mean come on) |
Mike08
09.12.12 | - BB won't kill the baby, maybe a kidnapping at best.
Jesse really isn't much of an option here let me elaborate;
1. Jesse can't find out about Brock/Jane unless Walt tells him. (Which Walt will be on edge after Hank is involved in the investigation). So no drunk speeches this time.
2. The DEA could capture Jesse, but frankly there is nothing he can do that the DEA can't. This is a HUGGE!!! case for Hank/DEA, and they would not have an associate of Walter take him down.
3. Walt can't go into hiding yet, he is living the "Family" life, and is stuck at his house. So there is no purpose for Jesse to "hunt" Walt down, he is in the open.
4. I'm going to say Walt can't turn Jesse in, not after all they have gone through and the peaceful departure. If Walt does get caught, he will say it was all him. Pinkman would definately not get on Walt's associate's list. |
Dunpeal
09.12.12 | obviously its all conjecture at this point, but my money is on Jesse killing Walt. He will find out about Brock and possibly Jane, because Walt is an egomaniac and he lives for showing others how in control he is over them. When Walt finally breaks all the way bad he won't be able to resist letting Jesse know that he has been manipulating him the whole time thus fueling Jesse's role in Walt's demise.
For me, it just fits better to have Jesse do it. Walt has shitted on Jesse more than anyone else in the show.
In any case, Walt dies. Sending him off to jail/hiding would be the epitome of anti-climactic |
Insurrection
09.12.12 | marie is much worse imo |
Insurrection
09.12.12 | i mean after all the shit walt put her though it kinda makes sense she would retaliate in some way but yea it was pretty messed up |
Insurrection
09.12.12 | dude put yourself in her shoes. your husband is going behind your back making METH of all drugs, i mean yea she didnt have to cheat on him but even she admits she doesnt know why she did it |
Insurrection
09.12.12 | and a tiny dick!!! |
MisterTornado
09.12.12 | it was fucked up when stringer died but damn he got wallace, man gotta fall. |
Insurrection
09.12.12 | this is not the wire but yea that show is amazing too. stringer was the best :[ |
trilo
09.12.12 | hey this list is backwards |
Sanders
09.12.12 | "This exact list just got made a bit ago, but holy fuck is this list wrong.
First off, season 1 laid the groundwork for the series, but the amount that it has improved after that is just insane. The pilot was fantastic and the part where he throws the fake meth at tuco (who is a good character as well) - I think it was episode 4 - was great as well. In fact that whole episode was great. But season 1 was a 7-episode teaser of what was possible for the show.
But a slump in season 3-4, are you nuts? Season 3 had some pacing issues and a bit of an issue with some stories clashing, but the end of season 3 and the entirety of season 4 was just perfect. It elevated the tension of the series to a completely different level. And season 4 being boring apart from the first 5 episodes? Seriously? It was intentionally slow moving dramatic stuff, but it did it all perfectly. Every character interaction, every dialogue in that season was untouched by anything else in the series, and the end of it was literally the best part of the series so far. Crawl Space was the best episode in the series IMO, Half Measures is the only thing that even comes close and it's in season 3 which apparently wasn't that good?
I rank the seasons 4>5>3>2>1."
this.
/thread |
newjunkaesthetic93
09.13.12 | Season 4 is the best! also, I've seen this damn list before. |
PaddyPooHead
09.13.12 | Seasons simply get progressively better in my opinion, and as for a Season 3-4 'slump'. LOL. |
